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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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post Mar 20 2011, 10:23 PM

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goreng lagi  rclxms.gif  ..  Condo units + Million homes is empty now  ..  need people to buy  thumbup.gif
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tell me where is the empty houses???
in KL or near KL, dun tell me the ulu ulu places...my area (Setapak) when a new condo VP-ed , all the units willl be filled in just few months. i think it is the same for other part of KL/PJ. i hardly see any empty units (old and new condo) in my area.
pls take note KL will have 7 millions population by 2020 by NEM (now 3, 4mil?)...it may be from the kampong, small towns eg bidor, kampar etc or immigrants (professional or illegal) and they all need house.. and kampong ppl want to upgrade to taman houses.
it is similar in Sg, when population increased last 3-4 years (from 4mil to 5mil, 30% up) and so the prop price goes up too..

dun just simply say without findings..


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Do you have a home (own property) to stay now?
Chinese maxim: Greediness will get Poverty biggrin.gif

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pls to smthg on swk ge.... this is gd opp to decide ur right... we cann't wait... to chg.
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 20 2011, 10:23 PM)
tell me where is the empty houses???
in KL or near KL, dun tell me the ulu ulu places...my area (Setapak) when a new condo VP-ed , all the units willl be filled in just few months. i think it is the same for other part of KL/PJ.  i hardly see any empty units (old and new condo) in my area.
pls take note KL will have 7 millions population by 2020 by NEM (now 3, 4mil?)...it may be from the kampong, small towns eg bidor, kampar etc or immigrants (professional or illegal) and they all need house.. and kampong ppl want to upgrade to taman houses.
it is similar in Sg, when population increased last 3-4 years (from 4mil to 5mil, 30% up) and so the prop price goes up too..

dun just simply say without findings..
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up to you tongue.gif as i am looking at MK condo with my budget doh.gif can't even smell it last year

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QUOTE(GlobalKL @ Mar 20 2011, 03:14 PM)
Whoever hope property prices will drop, better be prepared...
City&Country: Offshore-- Murphy’s hot picks for 2011: KL, London, NY
By Cecelia Chow of The Edge Singapore
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Tim Murphy, a prolific property investor and founder and CEO of Hong Kong-based international property investment firm IP Global, thinks property values in Kuala Lumpur are set to rally. The Malaysian capital is one of Murphy’s hot picks for 2011. He attributes the city’s potential to its economic growth, estimated at 5.3% in the year ahead, and a property market that has remained stable in the last two years. “The properties are generally affordable, with low taxes, and foreigners are able to own property there,” Murphy says.

“We’ll be seeing a huge capital flow into Malaysia this year as Kuala Lumpur continues to bustle,” he tells The Edge Singapore. “The thing about Malaysia is, it’s a cheaper alternative with little downside [compared with] the other markets, for instance, Indonesia and the Philippines. If you look at the Malaysian currency, it’s performing quite well, and interest rates are steady.”

Last year, IP Global invested in 32 units in high-end condominium projects at Bukit Ceylon, which is just a short distance from the prime Bukit Bintang shopping and F&B enclave. Murphy also believes the best deals in KL today are in office space. “You can get 8% to 10% yields — anything within a mile of Jalan Ampang,” he says.

[Murphy: Foreigners still hold very strong sentiments about Singapore and will continue to invest here] Murphy also likes London, as favourable exchange rates continue to attract overseas buyers. For example, he says, the Singapore dollar to pound has averaged 0.4 since January 2008 and is likely to remain that way in the year ahead. He adds that current rental yields in Central London are the highest in 20 years, and anecdotal evidence is that there are five or six renters competing for each property. “Investors should act fast before they miss this opportunity,” he adds.

As for New York, Murphy urges investors to capitalise on distressed opportunities at substantial discounts as the city bounces back from the slump. As a comparison, he says a 3,000 sq ft luxury apartment in London would be priced at US$7.5 million (RM22.8 million) and in Hong Kong, US$5.1 million. However, one in New York could be had for US$4.5 million. And, with the property supply still tight, he reckons New York could outperform all other markets this year.

Murphy also sees potential in entering Tokyo as the Japanese economy gradually stabilises. According to the latest monthly survey among economists by the Cabinet Office’s Economic Planning Association, the average forecast for FY2011’s real GDP growth in Japan was revised to 1.39% from 1.29%, he says.

Japan was also a popular investment destination in 2010 for institutional investors, such as Singapore’s Mapletree Investments, Franklin Templeton Investments from the US and Hong Kong-based Pacific Alliance Group, and Murphy sees this trend continuing.

As for Singapore, Murphy says the government’s latest property measures may deter locals and dampen market sentiment initially, but foreign investors “still hold very strong sentiments about Singapore’s economy and will continue to invest here”.

He adds: “I don’t think the downside is great, because I think the market still has legs, but if you’re after a quick buck now, this is not the time.”

Furthermore, Singapore isn’t the only place in Asia with tough government measures to tame house prices. A slew of new regulations in China has forced investors to look for opportunities in other countries, such as Singapore, Murphy says, while in November, the Hong Kong government set a higher sales tax on properties sold within 6 to 24 months of purchase and raised down-payment requirements for residential properties. “As such, the [Hong Kong] market is starting to seem like it is all under control, except for the fact that housing prices are still too high for the average person,” he observes.

He sees the Singapore economy growing in the next one to two years and advises investors to “move quickly” before it peaks. Murphy himself had been searching for an opportunity to enter the Singapore market since early 2010, zooming in on the Newton area, as it is in a prime location (District 11), near the Orchard Road shopping belt and the CBD and served by the Newton and Novena MRT stations.

He also stands by his decision to wait for the right opportunity to buy, as he was not prepared to meet asking prices of at least S$2,000 (RM4,700) psf in the secondary market in the Newton-Novena neighbourhood. In December, he purchased a 1,119 sq ft, eighth-floor resale unit at Ten@Suffolk on Suffolk Road for S$1.37 million (S$1,224 psf). The 37-unit boutique condo, located just off Thomson Road in District 11, was completed in 2007 by Hong Fok Group.

While Murphy believes Singapore’s property market will remain robust, his focus for 2011 will primarily be Kuala Lumpur, London and New York. He sees an increasing number of Singaporeans investing overseas as well, and attributes it to “the high property prices here”. At IP Global’s recent Singapore showcase of prime units at The Sheffield, a new apartment block overlooking Central Park in the heart of Manhattan, in which the firm had invested, 14 units were sold to local retail investors, with more than 180 attendees at the weekend exhibition.
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Again another report by an investor hoping to raise prices of his investment by instilling fear into people and thus pushing them to buy now. We all should start being smarter than them and be more selective in what we read. Ppl like George Soros made money from ppl like us.
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 20 2011, 10:23 PM)
tell me where is the empty houses???
in KL or near KL, dun tell me the ulu ulu places...my area (Setapak) when a new condo VP-ed , all the units willl be filled in just few months. i think it is the same for other part of KL/PJ.  i hardly see any empty units (old and new condo) in my area.
pls take note KL will have 7 millions population by 2020 by NEM (now 3, 4mil?)...it may be from the kampong, small towns eg bidor, kampar etc or immigrants (professional or illegal) and they all need house.. and kampong ppl want to upgrade to taman houses.
it is similar in Sg, when population increased last 3-4 years (from 4mil to 5mil, 30% up) and so the prop price goes up too..

dun just simply say without findings..
There are many empty units everywhere in KL. Most are owned by ppl waiting for capital gains. If u want an example, go visit Plaza TTDI condo and see how many units are occupied. Most are already sold but currently empty waiting for capital gains.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 21 2011, 07:57 AM)
Again another report by an investor hoping to raise prices of his investment by instilling fear into people and thus pushing them to buy now. We all should start being smarter than them and be more selective in what we read. Ppl like George Soros made money from ppl like us.
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post Mar 21 2011, 09:27 AM

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things that i'd noticed personally and my opinions (not that it matters anyway):
1. price MIGHT increase due to potential shortage of both materials and labours
2. price MIGHT increase due to sudden influx of demand from foreign investors (and potentially Japanese) due to investment/ETP
3. increasing population in Selangor/KL. demand outstripping supply


as for empty units especially high-end homes costing >RM1mil, it is 'normal' to be unoccupied as many of them are constantly travelling. some of them are purchasing these as their guest houses or resort home.
example, joe is a multi-millionaire. he regularly entertains his guest who stops by malaysia for a visit. each visit have a say family of four. to house these four guest in 5-star hotel within klcc for a week would easily cost joe (RM600/day/room x 7) rm8.4k. joe thinks it's cheaper to 'maintain' a unit than putting his guest in hotels regularly.
a lot of people can't comprehend what the rich are thinking. if we succeed, we would be rich already rather than blowing water here.
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QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 20 2011, 10:23 PM)
tell me where is the empty houses???
in KL or near KL, dun tell me the ulu ulu places...my area (Setapak) when a new condo VP-ed , all the units willl be filled in just few months. i think it is the same for other part of KL/PJ.  i hardly see any empty units (old and new condo) in my area.
pls take note KL will have 7 millions population by 2020 by NEM (now 3, 4mil?)...it may be from the kampong, small towns eg bidor, kampar etc or immigrants (professional or illegal) and they all need house.. and kampong ppl want to upgrade to taman houses.
it is similar in Sg, when population increased last 3-4 years (from 4mil to 5mil, 30% up) and so the prop price goes up too..

dun just simply say without findings..
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property in kelana jaya.. also at most 60% occupancies..
biggrin.gif i balik rumah from work.. pass by around 4~6 condo.. 40% of the light is totally off (whole unit totally no light)..
maybe they all want to save electric then close all the light ?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 21 2011, 07:58 AM)
There are many empty units everywhere in KL. Most are owned by ppl waiting for capital gains. If u want an example, go visit Plaza TTDI condo and see how many units are occupied. Most are already sold but currently empty waiting for capital gains.
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the rich has the ability to hold on to a property, they dont mind serving the loan - but of course they want to dispose it to reap their capital gain asap
the people who want to buy a property keep waiting for the rich to lose patience and let go of the unit.
it's a waiting game from both end. low need high power, high need low power. whoever lose the patience (whoever cannot wait anymore) is the loser

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QUOTE(kochin @ Mar 21 2011, 10:27 AM)
things that i'd noticed personally and my opinions (not that it matters anyway):
1. price MIGHT increase due to potential shortage of both materials and labours
2. price MIGHT increase due to sudden influx of demand from foreign investors (and potentially Japanese) due to investment/ETP
3. increasing population in Selangor/KL. demand outstripping supply
as for empty units especially high-end homes costing >RM1mil, it is 'normal' to be unoccupied as many of them are constantly travelling. some of them are purchasing these as their guest houses or resort home.
example, joe is a multi-millionaire. he regularly entertains his guest who stops by malaysia for a visit. each visit have a say family of four. to house these four guest in 5-star hotel within klcc for a week would easily cost joe (RM600/day/room x 7) rm8.4k. joe thinks it's cheaper to 'maintain' a unit than putting his guest in hotels regularly.
a lot of people can't comprehend what the rich are thinking. if we succeed, we would be rich already rather than blowing water here.
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ha ha.. yesterday i just heard a friend said his cust who stay in BU (value about rm 1mil) unable to come out RM500++ to pay for the service of his household thing.. and need to pay the $ after one week later... smile.gif not many ppl stay big house got $$, many still struggle.
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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 21 2011, 09:50 AM)
ha ha.. yesterday i just heard a friend said his cust who stay in BU (value about rm 1mil) unable to come out RM500++ to pay for the service of his household thing.. and need to pay the $ after one week later...  smile.gif  not many ppl stay big house got $$, many still struggle.
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that is when someone play too much fire cracker until fire came out..
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interesting to see the debate now moving from "enough buyers/upgraders to absorb the supply" to "many rich, simply hold".

cheap and high mgn of financing has drove many to simply buy in the last 2 yrs. for every 1 rich fella who buy with cash or can hold forever, there are probably another 2 who can't hold if it stays vacant >1 year.

ya, watch the subsale market with hundreds if not thousands of new units coming onstream every month now. there should be some good buys coming.

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Mar 21 2011, 11:16 AM)
that is when someone play too much fire cracker until fire came out..
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the cust told him, they just back from school holiday after trip (dun know where) with children and now short of $$.
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approx. 80% of households earn less than 5K a month, i doubt many can afford a 500K house/ condo in KL. new lauches in those so called prime locations are priced >RM500 psf for condo, and this has caused older condos prices to shoot up to RM400-450 psf in surrounding area. Just wait and see how high can the price go wink.gif

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QUOTE(godutch @ Mar 21 2011, 10:35 AM)
approx. 80% of households earn less than 5K a month, i doubt many can afford a 500K house/ condo in KL. new lauches in those so called prime locations are priced >RM500 psf for condo, and this has caused older condos prices to shoot up to RM400-450 psf in surrounding area. Just wait and see how high can the price go  wink.gif
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27mil population with 4.9% earning >RM10k wor.

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QUOTE(kochin @ Mar 21 2011, 11:52 AM)
27mil population with 4.9% earning >RM10k wor.
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27mil? U count, those below 21 yrs old ahh.. they still study, where got $$ sweat.gif some may still baby. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 21 2011, 11:03 AM)
27mil? U count, those below 21 yrs old ahh.. they still study, where got $$  sweat.gif  some may still baby. biggrin.gif
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ok. 10% of 27mil population still got 2.7mil.
2.7mil of which 4.9% having more than RM10k/month still > 130k household wor.

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Mar 20 2011, 11:42 PM)
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That's a lot of empty units.

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