Then your 28-70 also daddee's one?

Celciuz powder de. He sell butt get de ma XP

JkJk     

So what with f/2.8 ?
I never have any in that range. I can survive with 3.5-4.5 even with my wedding cover for my client inside ballroom.

My D3s is my dad's. At least his D700 is bought with his own piggy bank's money.   

Then your 28-70 also daddee's one?

Celciuz powder de. He sell butt get de ma XP

JkJk     

KTCY was right ! 100% at ur side hahaha

Using prime , no need care about the focus speed one , for me as long as it is accurate already good for me !!

D is faster than G but just faster like micro second only. Not much different.

Anyway happy cny lar , later rmb spam ur SC =D. Reunion dinner woohoooooooooo

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Added on February 2, 2011, 9:44 am

LOL ><"

Nope, this 24-70 is bought with my own money this time.
My first gold ring lens.

Grats for your first gold ring.

Bokeh? I wonder how is the bokeh on 18-70.
can share some?
aye sifu CY! 

Well. it is misleading actually. not because of prime you don't need to care about focusing speed. but because of its purpose.
since what we mention earlier was 50mm. which it's purpose is for portraiture focusing speed is actually not a necessity in this case.

however if we do talk about 200mm prime or above which meant for sport. focusing speed take a big part.
as I know from ken rock well website.
most of the sport photographer jump ship to canon on 70s/80s because Nikon focusing motor has a flaw.

and again those sport photographer didn' jump ship back to nikon because Canon and Nikon is compareable nowadays.
Therefore they have no reason to sell all their gears and jump ship.
Grats for your first gold ring.

Bokeh? I wonder how is the bokeh on 18-70.
can share some?
aye sifu CY! 

Well. it is misleading actually. not because of prime you don't need to care about focusing speed. but because of its purpose.
since what we mention earlier was 50mm. which it's purpose is for portraiture focusing speed is actually not a necessity in this case.

however if we do talk about 200mm prime or above which meant for sport. focusing speed take a big part.
as I know from ken rock well website.
most of the sport photographer jump ship to canon on 70s/80s because Nikon focusing motor has a flaw.

and again those sport photographer didn' jump ship back to nikon because Canon and Nikon is compareable nowadays.
Therefore they have no reason to sell all their gears and jump ship.
Grats for your first gold ring.

For other I have no idea, but 50MM f/1.8 is a sharp lens that can slice thing up without effort xD

I suppose because he knows you will meet your limitation soon enough by spending time on kit lens.
if you want kit lens get 18-70 second hand. 
and another reason is because initially you need kind of all-around-lens in order to you to get know what you wanted to shoot.

don't expect you are able to shoot landscape with your 50mm 1.8

vearn, if it was me: i'd just buy the d7000kit set. the 18-105 VR is plenty good for starters. you get a good range and VR to start with. great high iso performance + VR = winrar. people are recommending other lens just out of pure gear envy yes, those recommended lens are good, but not really essential for starters. you will know what you really need want later on.

further back you said you mentioned your quoted pricing: i'd take the first option (without filter and normal 8GB SD). and then buy another 8gb sandisk ultra from the forums (for your video needs). price should be cheaper than the other options. as for the filters and protectors, don't worry too much about it; your new camera is capable enough to take a lil' beating

The filter part, in the end, it's up to your own decision, is the price worth to pay for; If you want to get, just make sure you get a good quality ones; If you check out reviews/etc, you will see the comparison on each/some filters and how it will effect the outcome of the picture... even the well known brands.

For video, Sandisk has a new type of card specially for Video.
If you're going to shoot video a lot, you will need to consider getting a zoom lens and WITH VR (Vibration Reduction aka Image Stabilization); which the kit lens should fulfill your requirements.
Prime lens has no VR, so if you're shooting videos handheld with prime lens, you will suffer from shaky video AND without zoom you will need to zoom with your legs, thus again shake shake...
BUT with prime lens offering wider apertures, you can get very nice shallow Depth of Field on your videos.

Yes, that's the lens I'm referring to, it was recommended by many others too, especially KTCY 
Basically, prime lens usually have better image quality, sharpness than zoom lens, not to mention kit lens...
Kit Lens have non-fix aperture and the aperture is not big enough, max only 3.5 at 18mm, and 5.6 at 105mm. In lowlight situation, it will not let in enough light, and if you want to blow out the background making the subject stand out, kit lens doesn't do well. But for general photography, it does well as well as provides good sharpness.

By the way, if you're new to DSLR and have been using digital camera, you will need to know about VR is built into lens (Nikon & Canon), compared to digital camera which have Image Stablization built into body.

Not misleading lar , KTCY did not misleading . For me , i dont shoot sport , so i dont care about much the focus speed if compare nikkor 50mm to sigma 50mm .

What i mean is not much different between sigma 50mm and nikkor 50mm the focus speed. =D Happy CNY lar

Assume we compare the same focal length. Nikkor 50mm with Sigma 50mm

Look deeper and you might be surprised, and kenrockwell isn't everything.

Noted that
Mind if I ask, why people seem to recommend 18-70 instead of the kit 18-105? I googled up and read one of the comparison here: http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62695 , but I would still prefer to hear from you guys

How much would the 18-70 second hand approx?
After reading Andy214's input below, I guess I'm almost decided to take the 18-105 kit since I'll be doing some videography with the D7000. However, I would still like to hear why people would recommend the 18-70 than 18-105. If I'm looking for video purpose as one of the criteria, would 18-105 be a better option than 18-70 since it's not equipped with VR?

Alright, I have noted down your advise on the package. Thanks
Thanks for your wise input on the video part, now I'm more firm that I should just take the kit lens along since I'll be doing videography a little here and there

Perhaps I should only aim for prime lens after my kit. Or maybe should I just aim for SB700 to pair up with the kit lens before the prime lens?

Yeap, I do know about Image Stabilizer for Nikon and Canon built in lens compared with Sony built in body.

Noted that
Mind if I ask, why people seem to recommend 18-70 instead of the kit 18-105? I googled up and read one of the comparison here: http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62695 , but I would still prefer to hear from you guys

How much would the 18-70 second hand approx?
After reading Andy214's input below, I guess I'm almost decided to take the 18-105 kit since I'll be doing some videography with the D7000. However, I would still like to hear why people would recommend the 18-70 than 18-105. If I'm looking for video purpose as one of the criteria, would 18-105 be a better option than 18-70 since it's not equipped with VR?

Alright, I have noted down your advise on the package. Thanks
Thanks for your wise input on the video part, now I'm more firm that I should just take the kit lens along since I'll be doing videography a little here and there

Perhaps I should only aim for prime lens after my kit. Or maybe should I just aim for SB700 to pair up with the kit lens before the prime lens?

Yeap, I do know about Image Stabilizer for Nikon and Canon built in lens compared with Sony built in body.

I thought this thread worshiped him?
I saw some worshiping words even on the first page.

IDK why. but for me 1870 is a very great lens with maximum 4.5 aperture even on 70mm.
IQ wise I think it is better since it is better compared to 1855  KTCY (said this one to me )
on the other hand 1855 pawned 18105

moreover it is discontinued lens. Therefore I am so deeply interested! 

You can watch YouTube or reviews comparison on the difference between without VR and with VR when video recording... the difference is... A LOT! And that is just handholding, NOT EVEN moving... imagine if you walk/moved...

If you want cheaper alternative and you don't need to extra reach, you can buy 2nd hand 18-55mm VR kit lens for around RM300++, then spend the rest of the money on a prime or Flash Gun.
But make sure what range you need for your videography and photography needs. 55mm might not be enough, but actually 105mm might also not be enough; A good pair for low budget would be... 18-55 + 55-200 or 18-55 + 55-300, but you need to change lens which might not be a good option for video. So, if you do need the extra reach, the 18-105 should be good enough.

After your kit, depend on your photography needs and what you shoot more. A flash will be a good choice to pair with your kit lens and do wonders to your photography. You can get excellent result with proper and creative lightings.
If you want to shoot portraiture more and be creative on your shooting style, the prime will serve your needs. Nonetheless, if you shoot indoors, parties, events, Flash will help you out a lot and make wonders to your photos. Even with primes, you most probably still find the need of the flash, especially if you have experience with it.

18-55 pawned 18-105 in term of IQ? You mean the 18-55 kit lens of D3100?
Thanks for the head up. I almost forgot Youtube these days provides good resources for information and tutorial too

Again, the 18-55 of D3100 better off compared with the 18-105 of D90 and D7000?

As for the flash gun, I know it'll do wonders in photography but at my current budget, I gotta wait for the next phase of my expenditure. Hopefully within 6 ~ 12 months I would manage to get myself both the flash gun and a prime lens

KTCY was right ! 100% at ur side hahaha

Using prime , no need care about the focus speed one , for me as long as it is accurate already good for me !!

D is faster than G but just faster like micro second only. Not much different.

Anyway happy cny lar , later rmb spam ur SC =D. Reunion dinner woohoooooooooo

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Added on February 2, 2011, 9:44 am

LOL ><"

I didn't say KTCY did misleading I said your word "with prime we don't need AF speed" is a misleading word 
I thought this thread worshiped him?
I saw some worshiping words even on the first page.
IDK why. but for me 1870 is a very great lens with maximum 4.5 aperture even on 70mm.
IQ wise I think it is better since it is better compared to 1855  KTCY (said this one to me )
on the other hand 1855 pawned 18105

moreover it is discontinued lens. Therefore I am so deeply interested! 

18-55 pawned 18-105 in term of IQ? You mean the 18-55 kit lens of D3100?
Thanks for the head up. I almost forgot Youtube these days provides good resources for information and tutorial too

Again, the 18-55 of D3100 better off compared with the 18-105 of D90 and D7000?

As for the flash gun, I know it'll do wonders in photography but at my current budget, I gotta wait for the next phase of my expenditure. Hopefully within 6 ~ 12 months I would manage to get myself both the flash gun and a prime lens

I tried friend's new D300s + 1685 last weekend. Just so so only...

I didn't say KTCY did misleading I said your word "with prime we don't need AF speed" is a misleading word 
I thought this thread worshiped him?
I saw some worshiping words even on the first page.
IDK why. but for me 1870 is a very great lens with maximum 4.5 aperture even on 70mm.
IQ wise I think it is better since it is better compared to 1855  KTCY (said this one to me )
on the other hand 1855 pawned 18105

moreover it is discontinued lens. Therefore I am so deeply interested! 

You can watch YouTube or reviews comparison on the difference between without VR and with VR when video recording... the difference is... A LOT! And that is just handholding, NOT EVEN moving... imagine if you walk/moved...

If you want cheaper alternative and you don't need to extra reach, you can buy 2nd hand 18-55mm VR kit lens for around RM300++, then spend the rest of the money on a prime or Flash Gun.
But make sure what range you need for your videography and photography needs. 55mm might not be enough, but actually 105mm might also not be enough; A good pair for low budget would be... 18-55 + 55-200 or 18-55 + 55-300, but you need to change lens which might not be a good option for video. So, if you do need the extra reach, the 18-105 should be good enough.

After your kit, depend on your photography needs and what you shoot more. A flash will be a good choice to pair with your kit lens and do wonders to your photography. You can get excellent result with proper and creative lightings.
If you want to shoot portraiture more and be creative on your shooting style, the prime will serve your needs. Nonetheless, if you shoot indoors, parties, events, Flash will help you out a lot and make wonders to your photos. Even with primes, you most probably still find the need of the flash, especially if you have experience with it.

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Added on February 2, 2011, 12:10 pm

You are not reading 

18-55 pawned 18-105 in term of IQ? You mean the 18-55 kit lens of D3100?
Thanks for the head up. I almost forgot Youtube these days provides good resources for information and tutorial too

Again, the 18-55 of D3100 better off compared with the 18-105 of D90 and D7000?

As for the flash gun, I know it'll do wonders in photography but at my current budget, I gotta wait for the next phase of my expenditure. Hopefully within 6 ~ 12 months I would manage to get myself both the flash gun and a prime lens

Happy CNY
Worship ?
Read properly la

as far as i know, 18-70mm is one of the best kit lens from Nikon.

Hmm, both I guess. It is inside a shopping mall, indoor condition. Lens quite sharp wide open (not exactly 'wide' since its like f/3.5-f/5.6).

But need to bump up ISO quite a lot, and D300s ISO is just ok ok... pushing it to ISO1600 then :S. Have to use flash lo.

For me , with prime does not really need like "FAST FAST" AF speed lar , not much different only. If big different AF speed that diff case lar.

opss.. okay it is fact.
if you do video go for VR lens. as the VR will be very helpful if you do photo shot only. non VR ok lor. yeah that's what people said 1855>18105 in IQ-wise
oppss.. okay it's the fact.
how about some bokeh picture from your 1870? care to share?
that's what I know as well
bro CY
I have question.
if let say I found my camera has a good ISO control.
as it doesn't show any noise at ISO 3200.
what makes I need to use ISO 100?

for example I can shoot something with 1/200s shutter 3200 ISO. which is convenient.
in what situation I shouldn't bump my ISO into ISO 3200 instead lower it down into ISO 100/200 with 1/20s shutter speed which is less convenient.

Knowing ISO 3200 doesn't give me noise.
will that make difference?

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Added on February 2, 2011, 1:22 pm
do you think this thing need a fast AF speed? http://www.nikon.com.my/productitem.php?pid=1400-492a78c3f0