Quite honestly I thing value for money is in the Inspira 1.8. You get a slighltly bigger engine with CVVT technology. Even as a Forte owner I would go for the 1.8 Inspira. Proton to some extent made a tactical mistake as the equipment between the 1.8 and 2.0 Inspira is not that great.

"suffocated"

its like seeing the taillights of the car in front of you getting further and further away in the B-roads and yet you cant push your car to keep up...
or like being in a 1.0L car seeing the 5.0L car in front of u pulling away easily even with your foot floored in the footwell...

its not motion sickness...


hope u get the drift....

This post has been edited by kcng: Nov 18 2010, 02:35 PM

"when it comes to regular bread and butter car handling, torsion beam will still lose out to independant... and this suspension discussion has been over and done with so many times until we can actually get fedup...." and yet still insist couple axle torsion beam watever bla bla is not your normal torsion beam....



pls refer back to my postings since when did i mentioned whatever beam was superior to independent suspension???

i posted the diff for forte vs others which referred to as by someone which felt disappointed and compare to other h-beam. i also pointed out the tech diff of various h-beam and how its better now. someone then butted in claiming Honda h-beam is better than others H-beam then claim again a H-beam is all the same = bad performance then compared to independent... why keep changing the topic and gold posts?

i have been using MULTILINK SUSPENSION (this is the right term) for many years and have company civic & bmw 3 as well so i know the pros-cons well enough. the h-beam posts is to update the misconception or perceptions if being inferior. but the comparison is only about out right performance which takes up 20% of your daily drive or less???

for me its was simple 75k car with comfortable strong body wide space & boot quite great audio good FC capable for long distance runs without much fuss.

did i say inspira no good? did i say multilink no good? since all h-beam the same then honda's ain't much better right? then why claim honda's beats everyones? for this then i can safely say inspira's handling can beat the crap out of honda's civic's h-beam? then Honda fanboys will claim no way Honda sure beats Lancer/Inspira...... i can't wait to see more new models coming with H-beams from Honda with best handling sales pitch.

bro KFC, how would u rate the finesse of the engine of the 2.0 civic vs the forte's 2.0? in terms of power delivery and NVH level

kcng u are just trying to show i dam daring driver la nothing to do with the car la.... if u have balls even a kancil can get less balls driver. u dare to race with maddriver with his junk car then come back u can claim this victory. else u just wanna show off you have bigger balls nothing more.

"for me its was simple 75k car with comfortable strong body wide space & boot quite great audio good FC capable for long distance runs without much fuss. "

To me this sentence is just trying to justify your purchase.

No one cares how much you pay for the car. Downright question is which one is more value for money.

So stop defending your purchases and answer the question

"
To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet."

Lets stop playing compare. Some people think the automatic trunk opening when key is inside is a gimmick.

Some would rather have the power of the vtec and the 5 speed gearbox over the 4.

I dont know why you forte drivers come in and make a big hoo hah about your purchase.

no one cares. move along and answer the thread question.

I stand by the fact tha the forte handling is weak compared to the civic, altis, lancer.

ps . and before anyone says im going off topic, inspira is based on the lancer and many ppl claim that the handling on the inspira is similar if not better.

I personally test drove the 2.0 inspira, i felt the tyres were abit small, handling wise, couldnt tell much cause I wasnt speeding, but it was quite steady.

This post has been edited by omnimech: Nov 18 2010, 03:00 PM

now tell me bernard vehicle uses what setup?

omnimech, altis's handling is as bad as it can get honestly...i would agree if you said the forte's handling is weaker den a civic..but i doubt it will be worse den an altis..heck even a honda city (dugong version) handles better den a stock altis imho...i have had both hence i'm making this statement from my personal experience

btw, its the dugong idsi vs the 1.8G 2003 that i'm talking about...people say the new honda's suck in handling, but i don't feel so...seems alright to me ...i have only driven the new city a couple of times though...new altis no idea =)

This post has been edited by keagan: Nov 18 2010, 03:01 PM

bro, since when honda city got dugong ver ? =.=

both cars i like even the lancer which was on my buying list. end of day its driving style preference and needs. lancer was great for jumping speed bumps if u don't worry about the 18" and civic was great for speeds but chassis seems weaker to lancers. forte 2.0 fits in between strong chassis non-cvt large space like lancer able to jump over bumps. what drives me nuts was the local fit & finish of civic which cost a lot they need to provide better QC for the price. both lancer & forte imported even though still some minor gremlins but forte edges out on price department. hence proton's inspira will give it a run for the money but still lacking in safety aspects for the inspira 2.0. you choices are yours not others.... just buy the car u want & need. I've chosen mine cause of the effort put in by Koreans which i value much..... hopefully Inspira does that too for Proton.

Hrmm, I felt it was quite alright ?

Do you mean the new altis. I test drove the 2.0 dual vvti.

The engine response was not as great as the civic, but it definitely feels better than the 1.8 altis (1 version older).

Suspension wise, I did feel that it was a bit soft, but I was quite impressed by the cruising on the highway.

Given tyre noise was there (its not a bmw), it felt quite good.

Alas, I dont think the 140k price tag can be justified.

This post has been edited by omnimech: Nov 18 2010, 03:03 PM

haha..maybe dugong's wrong.. lor hon den..ahaha...the bubbly front IDSI.

You mean the honda city versoin right before the current new one ?

>_<

Handling on that is horrendous, that car is meant for city driving period.

Even slighly spirited driving can get you killed. the suspension is way too soft for any above average cornering >_<.

trust me, i used to drive one before i upgraded to civic .

on engine civic 2.0 is best - lancer & forte similar but lancer is rougher than forte's.

bro i'm referring to the older one..the latest one i only sat in the 1.8E before the dual vvti came out...comfort and NVH was excellent...but handling...i doubt it will be much different coz it basically carried most of the things from the previous altis..maybe with revised suspension settings...

yeah one thing about toyota's are their highway cruising abilities are good...it doesn't wobble or shake much up to speeds 160 and above but the sampan feeling can be felt if the roads are uneven...but when it comes to bends and corners...body rolls and squats are all in one package.. that's the only complain i have about their suspension setups..good for normal driving but definitely not for spirited driving although the engine does deliver adequate power for its body =)

lol at this thread ....no need to compare much more

no doubt forte & inspira is a good deal..i think what most concern for buyer in Malaysia is
1) pricing
2) resell value
3) FC
4) comfort
5) interior & exterior design

how many crazy driver will go driving like a mad cow cornering with top speed?
majority will drive only around 100-130km/h in highways....

i dont care if u want vtec or whatever u can have the nice engine all u want for all the price u pay
i want a car to enjoy & drive at the price i willing to pay! your money your own justification ...

it can be corrected bro...i did a 4 point struts in front and the handling did improve =) was on 15 inch rims with stock suspension setup...i did play around with the springs and rims and the best was using the stock settings..yeah its wobbly when its stock standard..anything above 90 km/h gives me goosebumps..hahah

i disagree
civic and lancer maybe, but altis?

from what i read, the owners are just trying make themselves feel good to justify the fact that they plonk their cash in a korean car

however, i have to admit that the car is great value of money, the list of equipments found in the car is just awesome
considering that the koreans are bucking up really brisk in their quality and technology, it's a feasible choice if one just want a value for money car to travel from A to B

Like i said answer the question.

not try to bully your justification for buying your car.

I personally hate the forte for its lack of a 5 speed gearbox. Just couldnt feel the power and I didnt like the handling.

Those are my views.

like you i weighed the pros and cons and i bought the civic.

do i look like im trying to justify my purchase ?

eventhough i pay 40k more than you for a car of equivalent cc ?

just stick to the topic dude.

Some people would rather pay 230k for a bmw 320i

the driving pleasure is there.

Its up to the driver and how he manages his finances. No doubt most people can afford a 320i but not everyone is willing to go so far just for a car.

This post has been edited by omnimech: Nov 18 2010, 03:12 PM