Hi there,

Is there anyone out there who have experience in the process of getting the drawing plan n submitting to DBKL for the license/permit to do renovate?

Would like to do backyard extension (kitchen) and also the front extension (car porch).

How much is the total cost? (include architect fees, drawing, processing fees, etc etc)

How long does it take for the permit/license to approve? 3weeks? 6weeks?

Submit the drawing in November 2010 but renovation to start next year March 2011, the license/permit still valid?

If can, how about the big Tong Sampah? Inform them once the renovation start?

Anyone can advise? thks..

This post has been edited by Nerdyfred: Oct 31 2010, 04:33 PM

For complete submission will take almost 10k including drawing, cns, architect, dbkl fee etc..

Approval will take 2weeks, last for 1 year if not mistaken.

Tong size -+- 5x8'

I also need to know whether minor renovation needs permit from DBKL?

1) Change gate
2) Add up height for gate pole
3) tiling at car porch floor
4) plaster ceiling
5) Change WC
6) kitchen cabinet

Is that so expensive? i got a quote from a contractor is only around 4.5k include everything. (all the fees, deposit, tong sampah, etc )

But i also saw some post here and said is below 3k. Any advise?? coz i'm confuse!

sorry, i'm new to this! cant seem to find any info on DBKL website though

If talking about MBPJ, BMSJ, yes, 3k should be enough, but my experiance about DBKL is very dificult, i try once, (1 year ago) they asking 12k, and take at lease 3 months to get the premit, and the person doing summition said that too expensive just because they need to go for meeting so many time just only to get the premit (dono how true is it), that why taking lot of time, and the fees also will be high. but if you get a standard plan will be easy, but too bad there is no more standard plan, so, u hv to go for the normal way.

give duit kopi

I don mind waiting for the permit to come out as i plan to do the renovation next year.

But the pricing 12k to get the permit is crazy, is there any standard pricing like those (mortgage legal fees).

DBKL is ripping us off man...

Seeing someone next week, shall see how much is the cost.

THe last contractor quoted me 4.5k only.. dunno how true is this..

It is true, DBKL is very fussy. It took me 3 months to finally get my approval.

DBKL fees should be around 3.5k. Bulk of that is for deposit. It is 2k, and it is very difficult to get your deposit back. They will make it difficult for you. Any slight non-conformance means byebye deposit. 1k would be for Alam Flora dustbin (2 big, 1 small).

Architect fees, depend on how extensive the renovation is. Probably less than 2k for your renovation. Double storey extensions cost much more.

Usually, contractors like to quote a lump sum. Architect + DBKL + whatever bribe to make things go smoother. If a contractor suspiciously quotes too little, it is probably his fees + the bribe he gives DBKL. Ask him for proof of payment for every step, see if he can produce. DBKL issues some form of letter for every step of approval. If you don't mind not following the letter of the law, I guess it's fine.

For your Grand structure renovation needs all this for submisssion:

Architect fees + Drawing = 3k [Few detail of drawing]
Civil & Structure Endorsment + Drawing = 3k [Few detail of drawing]
Plan Deposit to DBKL + Tong sampah etc = almost 3k

All above is the minimum cost depends on how big is your renovation.

If the contractor quote u less than this because of they don't draw the new layout for your new house,
beam plan, steel plan etc etc ....
They will use standard renovation plan for single or double storey renovation book, normally it cost RM50

If u don't go all those process, just do your renovation and please ensure all your neighbour were inform.

well, just to sharing, i did a house renovation without premit b4, owner decision is, when DBKL come, we just spend them some kopi, then they will left already, and the kopi may not cost 12k in total, and once the work is done, those officer ask for kopi 1 will not come anymore, usually they come to say some 1 complain but actually they just pass by, they don even have official document.

So, finally the work is done, we pay no kopi to any officer. But this is a risky way ofcoz.

Well... you seem like encourage no permit.
Put it this way, if owner is lucky and don't get trouble from DBKL.

Shall owner go to submit renovation plan after everything is completed?
What is the consequences of doing so? Any penalty involved?

RM 50 renovation booklet not available for DBKL anymore. You will need to engage the services of a DBKL-approved architect.

There are always people going for the bribery route. But if you want to be safe, just submit the plan. Worst case is someone in your neighbourhood really hates you, and goes all the way to have your illegal extension torn down.

my experience with DBKL, draw up plan with my contractor/architect, spent about RM5000 excluding submission fees. there are 3 departments in DBKL: planning, landscape and one more i can't remember. I only opt to go for the first round at the planning department.

if i were to go on to get the full approval, i may need 6 months or more to get started, and the cost is even greater as you would need additional plans etc...

anyway, planning department rejected my application as they said this is not UBAHSUAI, it is MEROBOH DAN MEMBINA SEMULA. additionally, they will only grant the approval IF i pay additional RM2000 deposit.

this deposit is only refundable if you get full approval from all 3 departments, and DBKL will come over to inspect your house after completion to see if you have followed the plans.

so i paid the rm2k, and started work in july after waiting for 3 months. my house is nearing completion, maybe another 3-4 weeks, and no one from DBKL has come over yet according to my workers.

my contractor originally advised me not to go for approval as its a waste of time/money, but i thot if i just had "partial approval" is better than nothing...but after paying 7k+ to DBKL, maybe what he said has a bit of truth in it afterall...

basically all these hurdles, bureaucracy, redtape is put in place so frustrate you guys so that you'd rather do things illegally - kopi first, or take risk, get in trouble, and kopi to settle...

my suggestion - renovate a house outside KL

outside KL also got MPAJ, MPPJ, MPSJ, MPKJ
MP MP MP MP MP MP ...
hi hih hihh hih.........

anyone know if i need permit for above?

no need la lol...

Wow, seem like u got a really hussle dealing with those buggers in DBKL. How extensive is yr renovation?

Same as me? Extension on front and back(single storey)?

After paying 7k++ wat u got? only paper from the planning, landscape approval dept?

quite extensive, double storey... i only have my plans, and approval from the planning dept thats all

Let's see, you should have a floor plan and a roof plan ( both of these in one sheet. It will also contain door and window schedules ). If you have additional toilet, or move existing ones, you will have a sewage plan. If you need extra pile caps, footings, structural works, you will need an RC plan and this would require an engineer's approval ( and more money ). If you are doing earthworks ( such as leveling floor area, etc ), you will need earthworks plan. $$$

Thks for all the info guys!

Why does DBKL scrap the standard plan? It would be so easy to get the standard plan.

Seem like its all about money.

Just wondering, if i go ahead without permit, when come kacau, pay abit M. After the house fully done, no one will know whether i hv a approval plan.

should you want to sell your house in the future, then questions would certainly arise from the potential buyer/bank/lawyer/valuer/etc

I'm currently submitting my reno plan to DBKL.... managed to get someone to do it at RM3500.... anyone need the contacts?

Hi All,

May i know where to apply the renovation permit ? My house at serdang heights, seri kembangan. I want to extend my wet kitchen, pls see attached floor plan. the extend area is 22' x 4.5'. My contractor ask me to apply myself but i dun know this kind of thing at all since 1st time buy house. wish u all can guide me.

Pls answer my questions below:
1) Where to apply?
2) How much to do this?
3) I need to hire a architect to draw the actual plan for submit?
4) Take how long to approve? I plan to start renovate on 9 March 2011.
5) What document needed?

Many Thanks!!!






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Hi,

Drop me your contact and i will consult and plan for you =)

1.MPSJ
2-4..dont know
5. S&P/ title, IC, CF, official resit for rent TONG SAMPAH, drawing, existing site photos

How about the fees?

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Added on January 8, 2011, 11:04 amskng03,

Thank you so much for your information. may i know
1) where to get the official resit for rent TONG SAMPAH?
2) existing site photos is only for the extend area or all?

Most of my neighbors not apply for the renovation permit, ask me dun waste time, waste money. But i ask them how if next time selling house? The said next time only find solution. I m not this kind off people, i can't sleep well loh!


This post has been edited by yeeh: Jan 8 2011, 11:04 AM

[quote=yeeh,Jan 8 2011, 10:55 AM]
How about the fees?

Drop me a call for a quotation =)

go to MPSJ office and buy a booklet/ guideline for renovation, they have few appointed TONG SAMPAH contractor, pay deposit u'll get the official resit.

photo of front, back. side if your house is corner/ end lot.

if they still accept standard plan/ drawing then cost below 1k, approve in ONE day

[quote=UNICON,Jan 8 2011, 05:19 PM]
[quote=yeeh,Jan 8 2011, 10:55 AM]
How about the fees?

Drop me a call for a quotation =)

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Hi, I intend to renovate my house as well, on my plan to extend my kitchen and my front porch... In fact, I just bought this house in Sri Petaling, and I was being told as such renovation work requires a permit from DBKL before to proceed.
The issue right now, as there isn't any drawing initially and hence with, I am hoping to acquire some quotation on the drawing + submission to DBKL for approval.
What docs do I really need?

Thanks foremost

Hi David,

You got PM

Hi skng03,

Greatly appreciated if you can provide more info. I am extending my porch and kitchen and my contractor has started work. MPSJ told my son that he needs to get a plan from an architect as MPSJ does nt have a standard plan and their plan is just for moving the letter box pillar. My contractor told me that the architect that he has worked with does not want to provide the plan as he has already started cementing the back part of the house.

Greatly appreciated if anyone can advice or recommend the architect.

Thanking you in advance.

next time better buy a bigger/longer house so can avoid all this nonsenses..

btw, do i need to apply dbkl if i build a house on a agriculture land? (single storey same as housing area design , with car porch, gate with pillars, back yard etc)

hacking of additional windows and changing door or such work without doing extension( but still can be seen as renovation from outside ronda DBKL ), does this kind of work need approval or permit also?

Even do tiling and leveling of outside yard need permit?

can any sifu here enlighten me a bit?

I'll save u the trouble, ur submission will be rejected coz u blocked natural ventilation from toilet and bedroom to the outside with ur proposed erection. U can solve it by doing ur door perpendicular to ur party wall leaving the toilet and bedroom windows with no obstacles. U can still pursue ur layout provided u indicate the walls as grills, not brickworks. Ur Council is MPSJ

Currently I am staying in a 2 1/2 stories terrace house ie garage at the lower ground and would like to wall up the garage with some bricks, sliding door and windows. No extension outside or concrete beam required as the walling will be from current left wall to right wall and floor to ceiling beam.

Search DBKL's website and can't find anything on what I planned to do. Anyone know whether permit is required. Their guideline says any renovation involving concrete and steel bars requires approval.

Thanks.

Please always get the approval from local authorities before doing any of your house extension.

If you are planning to wall up the garage, then will need to check on compliance to Bomba. Better to check with DBKL or an Architect who is familiar with this matter.

Hi

Here's a person experience with DBKL renovation -

http://dailyaffairsthatconcernme.blogspot....993861306467238

Summary

1. Get recognized draughtman, submit plan to planning department for approval. (2-3 weeks)
2. Draughtman submit structural plan to building department for approval.
3. After approval , renovate (3 months to get this approval)
4. Finish renovate, inspection.
5. 2 weeks after inspection, get CF for the renovation.


Pls get the full quotation if you want to get CF, so the price varies depending on the level of work your contractor wants to do. Most just do step 1 and 2 only. (start renovatation after 2 without approval also can, just get fine)

Cheers.

TK.

Just to wall up the yellow area in the attachment.


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If existing in not walled up, it is considered as open space.
If you then walled up, than is is considered as enclosed space. There are requirements to complied with.
Of course, if you wish, you could just wall up without submitting to DBKL. Just the risk you have to take.

One caution BEWARE of COWBOYS contractors. Get a few quotations. Check their reliability. Don't be fooled by the pictures they showed you on their completed projects.

This post has been edited by CuriOu5: Aug 22 2011, 02:57 PM

Fully agree with you. Don't get mislead by these contractors.

Hi sifus,

Need some help here. I will be doing renovation at Cheras, so it should be under DBKL.

My unit currently has a garden separating the retaining wall facing the road (with the usual drainage) and the iron grill for the glass sliding door.

I would like to remove the glass sliding door and extend the unit until the retaining wall i.e. the retaining wall will be incorporated into the unit.

Even before applying/not applying permit, i would like to know if its possible, so as not to get conned or have problems in getting approval.

If the above is possible, then can my upstairs also be extended the same i.e. the same length of the below room.

its a townhouse unit, so there is another owner upstairs with his front door facing the same direction as my back door, his balcony facing the same direction as my front.

Thanks all!

tak payah kawan...

By law this sort of renovation is not allowed. Reasoning is that there is no back alley so your house is required to have a setback from the retaining wall.

You may be able to extend some but it won't be all the way.

This post has been edited by adrianjc: Jan 17 2012, 10:58 PM

okay, noted :"). its because the neighbors here told me that DBKL has never hopped by this area. but to be safe, i won't renovate to that extent as well. Thanks!

By Law:

- 1 story can't be convert to 2 stories. You see some even convert to 2.5
- Corner unit with land, need to have 10 feet space, some build till the edge.
- rear level 2 extension can't go to the max, have to leave 5 feets, many extend till to the max.
- By law, front length extension can only reach max to your neighbor wall length. But see some extend 20feet. Very good example the section 14 PJ, near the mosque some house extend front another 20 feet.

What is Law in Malaysia?

Try calling the guy below. I know he deals quite abit with DBKL.

Benson: +60 16 395 7083

Where your new house located? Damai Perdana? Just curious because I bought a house there too ^^

Taman midah actually. old area, townhouses. But nice stable community. ur not from DBKL rite? XD

my house are from MPKJ, already hand it over to architect to draw the plan. Once it is ready then can submit to MPKJ and my house can start reno. ^^

lol good good. faster buy at least a roof over our heads. earlier better than later. too bad mine KL address although in Cheras, DBKL sure come hunting.

Im not sure how effective MPKJ are, but DBKL already try to hunt~~~ for money... Anyway, just follow the std procedures and everything will be in good shape.

Reno first then submit later to DBKL, workable? Dun intend to go thru middleman coz too many conmen in this field.

I read the article that DBKL has set up a special department to handle house renovation application which shorten the period to 7 days to get approval. Any further info on this?

Hey dude, can give me the contact pls? Tq

Hi, can you pls send me his contact. Thanks, that would really be helpful. Appreciate it. roshens007@yahoo.com

Hi, Do you still have contact to get things done shorter ?

Yes.only for 1 week if doc and drawing are complete. Rm3.5k should be enough for terrace renovation without engr's drawing+calculation.

I can assist anyone who wants to submit reno plan for DBKL. Yes Rm 3.5k only for house extension. If major reno will quot again.




Fix - 0126954669

Hi,
I just bought a house in sri petaling and wondering how and what i need to do for renovation of my home? Im doing small extention at the back and front car porch flat slab. Others mostly internal work change window n etc... thanks in adcance

Hi jack. Do pm me your phone number or call me 0126954669. I will assist u.

hi jack, i bought a house in sri petaling too, and planning to do small extention at the back. how is your permit applied? can share me?

PMed

I am planning to demolish a old half wooden house and rebuild a house on a "bungalow" plot in a "kampung" area under mpsj. I am wondering is there a need to submit plans for approval? Apparently it takes 5 months just to get approval.
Funny thing is that while there are many by laws regarding the construction according to the draftsman I am consulting eg 20 feet clearance at front, 10 feet at both sides and back, awning cannot be more than 2.5feet from building line etc etc.... I saw many many newly built houses around the same area that seems totally doesn't follow. Got a few build until almost touching wall of garden.
Also I was told need town planner cost 5k. But I saw all the houses there is all sort of sizes from huge bungalow even got 3 storey to funny looking houses that look like hostel to old houses.
Also I am told need to get signage and high metal covering(7 feet) to cover up the place..cost almost 15k, sign itself cost 1.8k. But i see a huge luxury house being build but i also didn't see any signage and while they have metal covering...just like simply and definately not 7 feet.
How do they get their approval or cf/ccc?
Appreciate any advice.

I'm planning to renovate my house and have called DBKL directly to ask on the procedures to submit drawing for approval.

One of the DBKL staff from Jbtn. Perancangan gave me an architect's number and she has been helping us to do the drawing, submission and approval.

Pricing is reasonable and she is very helpful in terms of providing suggestions.

Hi Ben,

Can you please provide me her contact nos?

Thank you.

Hi, I need good draftsman or architect to drawing plan and submission to DBKL. Please PM me good recommendation. Thanks in advance.

Hi,

Do I have to apply for permit for awning at car porch?
Just some Besi and roof tiles

Anyone can advice the estimate time to obtain the DBKL permit? my house is a terrace house

Sharing the application process for DBKL

First, call or make a trip to your local town council to get the latest renovation guidelines (if you can’t find them on their respective websites).

Finalise your renovation plans accordingly to make sure they do not violate any of the guidelines above.

Hire a registered architect, structural engineer or draughtsman to draw up your extension plan. Your local town council should also be able to give you an updated list of their panel of professionals to draw the plans for you (this is preferred for smooth approval).

The architect will also help you submit documents for the application. This includes:

The drawings of the extension
Your sales and purchase agreement (S&P)
Latest property tax receipt
Certificate of Fitness (CF) or Certificate of Completion and Compliance (CCC). This is to show the original plans of the property. If you bought the house second hand and don’t have it, the local town council can supply you a copy based on their own records (for a fee)
Copy of your IC
You may also require a signed “letter of consent” from your neighbours. Please check with your local town council on this


ALTERNATIVELY, some town councils provide a pre-drawn “standard plan drawings” for rear extensions. If you follow these basic plans, then you can save money on the architect. However, you MUST build according to the plan. If an inspection later reveals that your extension was not according to plan, you may be fined.

When the renovation is done, you will need to make a final application to get an updated Certificate of Completion and Compliance (CCC). THIS IS IMPORTANT as it means that banks will recognise the new renovations and include it in the new value of the property.

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DBKL usually very fast. If your plan complies to the by-laws and documents required are fulfilled, typically within 1-2 weeks.

This post has been edited by 2387581: Nov 24 2017, 01:53 PM

how about if not comply? Will it take a long time to approve?

if not comply u have to change the design to comply lar. if u fast redo the change than should take much time. if dont comply later cannot issue CCC

None of these can be allowed in Penang.

but so many penangite houses broke the law.

can i know which area in particular? Because I'm currently doing a study in illegal/ non compliance building renovations. Finding a good case study would be a huge help.

1. First call those city council draughtman / architect and pretend to ask what's allow and what's not. but must be specific i.e
a. extend the front porch as a garage
b. extend corner lot house until the fence
c. build up partition wall up to ceiling at neighbour

Then let see what those idiot told you. Then go to any taman, see whether they got follow. If none ask the owner why they didnt follow, then if they answered already got approval, then take the approval and throw back to the architect face and document all these in a video form and upload to youtube.

Hello all

I need some help on my renovation project and hope someone can point me to the right direction

Basically I want to renovate a 2 storey intermediate terrace house in Damansara Heights KL.

Can someone please let me know if each of the below needs a permit application and if so, what type of permit:

1) Car porch - to tile it up and enable 2 cars to park in

2) A small extension out on balcony to make room bigger ( using glass doors)

3) Break down a wall between 2 rooms upstairs

4) Breakdown the wall between the wet and dry kitchen

5) Cement the backyard and erect simple fence

6) retile and renovate the all the toilets

7) retile and renovate the whole kitchen


Can someone recommend a architect in DBKL panel who can help me draw up and apply for the required permit

Lastly anyone know bought what the cost should be?

Thank you

Although by-law says any work is consider building works and needs submission. But if you have other parts of the building which needs submission, those other parts like tiling car porch can be included. Building plan for renovation only captures what is being demolished and what is being added. If like previously the WC and basin is there and after you 'refurbish'' it the new WC and new basin is at the same spot, no point in submitting for approval.

Thank you for your reply! Most useful!.
If I just do maintenance work like retile and change the toilet items and retile and change cabinets in the kitchen, is there a work permit of some sort that I might need from the council?
Something to state working hours and duration of the work to be displayed at the house gate?

Hi All...

I would like to renovate my double storey house. My house located in Cheras, under DBKL. I need an architect to help me to do drawing submission. Any one here have reliable and reasonable pricing.

Submission / Approval for renovation work in Klang Valley

Process to obtain approval of building plans and work permits:
1. Owner to prepare the required documents such as follows:
a) Copy of Sales Agreement
b) Copy of Tenancy Agreement (if applicable)
c) Copy of paid latest Assessment (Cukai Pintu)
d) Copy of CF (Certificate of Fitness) OR Copy of CCC (Complete & Compliances Certificate)
e) Copy of Owner / Tenant Identity Card
f) Copy of Company Registration and Borang 49 (if applicable)

2. Owner to prepare certain consultation fees, deposit and processing fees:-
a) For 2 storey extension at the back of a terrace house, consultation fees is RM2500-RM3500 includes Architect endorsement, site measurement, building plan drawing and form submission.
b) Owner to pay around RM1000-RM2500 for deposit, processing fees, construction waste bin depends on scale of renovation. Deposit will be returned if renovation works is completed according to the approved plan.

3. Approval / Work Permit usually takes about 14-30days depends on Local Authorities.

4. For certain renovation works at office / factory / kindergarden, submission to Bomba Department is required depends on Local Authorities.

5. For certain renovation works which involved new structure works, owner is required to engage an engineer to do structural submission and endorsement depends on Local Authorities.

6. For certain renovation works which extension and renovated area if more than 50% of the existing building size, owner is required to engage a registered town planner to do planning submission and endorsement depends on Local Authorities.

7. If owner starts works before obtaining approval, fine will be imposed at 10 times or 20 times of your processing fees depends on Local Authorities.

8. If contractor includes to obtain approval in their scope of works, please make sure you obtain letter and drawings endorsed by registered architect/building draughtman and Local Authorities. Safe keeping these documents for future inspection by Local Authorities. You might need it too when you intend to sell your property in future.

Depends on Local Authorities, building setbacks for terrace are different from area to area as follows:-
a) Front - 20' from wall to boundary (fencing), 10’ from car porch column to boundary.
b) Back – to the end of boundary
c) Side (corner lot) - 10' or 20’ from wall to boundary
d) Side (end lot) – 5’ or to the end of boundary.

hi,
i'm trying to do some minor renovations in my apartment. knock down bathroom wall and one other small wall.
the apartment management told me i need to go to dbkl to get approval. then after that i need to submit the dbkl approval to the aparment committee for further scrutiny.

has anyone gone through this process and can share their experience? how much does it cost and how long will it take?
i read in the thread that for landed property it's upwards of 10k and takes 3 months. this seems rather exorbitant considering that the wall i want to knock is only 2m wide.

Do you have the existing structure plan of your floor? If the wall you're going to knock off is a load bearing wall then no way it will get approved. But if it is normal brickwall, you should have green light to go ahead unless the management require mandatory DBKL approval to start work. Renovation without changing and adding load to existing structure can be able to carry out without DBKL approval.

Meanwhile you need to check if there is beam underneath new brickwall to be constructed.

i don't a structure plan. the apartment management said they do not either and asked me to go to DBKL as they have a copy of the structural plans. Is this correct?

They definitely have it. But u can do some minor test to check if it is Load Bearing wall. Try to knock on several wall to see, if it sounds hollow it is brick wall and if it sound firm and less echo it is Concrete filled wall.

normally bathroom dividing walls inside a room wouldn't be load-bearing right? the walls i want to knock down are all around one brick thickness.

Possible to recommend someone? Am doing some extension behind for 1st and 2nd floor. Thanks.

Hi, Ben, can I have the contact ? Thanks 😊

Hi. Do you still have the contact?

Hi. I need it too! Thankyou!

PMed you.

Hi, i also looking for someone to submit reno plan for dbkl, do you still have the contact with you?

PMed you.

Hi guys, do we need to apply dbkl permit if repairing the roof / changing the whole roof? Thanks.

Hi, i also looking for someone to submit reno plan for dbkl, can someone help ?