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post Sep 23 2011, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 21 2011, 05:40 PM)
The price of Core i7 2600K is not a constant. It has been steadily decreasing since it was first launched and Core i7 2700K when launched will be priced at the original price of Core i7 2600K at release a few months ago, not at the current price of Core i7 2600K hence what I mean by higher price. The quality of the processor can also drop at the end of the lifetime of the product as they shift their attention, equipment and resources for the newer product.
According to VRZone, Intel's upcoming Core i7-2700K expected to cost more than the 2600K. hmm.gif

QUOTE(ascension @ Sep 23 2011, 12:06 AM)
Will prices in Malaysia be similar to overseas? Hoping it won't be overpriced here
Over here, we have some of the cheaper prices. Do expect launch prices to be higher at first, and may drop later. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 23 2011, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 23 2011, 01:15 AM)
VR-Zone trolled me. They should have released their statement a day earlier or else my statement would be true. Now it is only partially true. user posted image

It would be nice if the cherry picked ones have reasonable voltages at 4.5GHz for a 24/7 OC. That way can increase the ceiling by another 200MHz to 4.7GHz maybe. brows.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 05:07 AM

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4.5ghz is easy biggrin.gif me and oki are both running over 5ghz. Now if 2700k can hit 5.5-5.7ghz for 24/7, I'm sold thumbup.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:21 AM

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2700K is pretty much a CPU to turn the attention away from BD launch. Nice move Intel.

Now AMD, itsnt it the time to show off what u got officially? or you have nothing to show. sweat.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 12:15 PM

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12 Oct hurrmmm...? hmm.gif

Hopefully , this is the final date.
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post Sep 23 2011, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Sep 23 2011, 12:15 PM)
12 Oct hurrmmm...?  hmm.gif

Hopefully , this is the final date.
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Very sien already with numerous delays! sad.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 03:57 PM

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Rumorville or definite news? Check this out: Hardware.info > News > AMD FX Dozer is shipped from today...
QUOTE(Harmen Meijer @ Sep 22 2011, 10:39 AM)
From reliable anonymous source has informed that as of today Hardware.info the first AMD FX-8120 Bulldozer processors ready to be made ​​in the European distribution centers for shipment. In the preview we have already discussed that the bulldozer is based on a new processor architecture. AMD architecture has again completely from the ground up, and the architecture is in fact the successor to the K8 architecture in the Athlon 64 processor was introduced.


Other news: Anandtech: CPUs:Products Group GM Rick Bergman Leaves AMD...
QUOTE(Anand Lal Shimpi @ Sep 22 2011, 5:21 PM)
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For the first time in years AMD is set to really start executing on the CPU side. Although Bulldozer has faced significant delays, Brazos and Llano were both warmly received and all indications point to Trinity showing up in early 2012 with even more competitive performance than Llano. AMD has also committed to a 12-month cadence for all of its major product lines, meaning we'll see significant updates to APUs and GPUs yearly.

In the midst of what could very well be AMD's turnaround on the CPU side, its current Products Group General Manager, Rick Bergman, has announced that he is leaving the company. As always no real details are provided but Rick was instrumental in helping stage ATI's comeback as a player in the GPU space if you recall from The RV770 Story.

Bergman will be sorely missed at AMD. Hopefully he won't stray too far from this industry though.
Another one from HardOCP chief editor says he was fired? shocking.gif
QUOTE(Kyle_Bennett HardOCP Editor-in-Chief @ Sep 22 2011, 04:37 PM)
AMD Fires Rick Bergman Under Cloud of Mystery
Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President and General Manager at AMD has been fired according to HardOCP sources. AMD has given no reason as to why the well seasoned Bergman was leaving his position. It was told to us that Bergman had interviewed for the just-filled CEO position months back at AMD and had been turned down. Since then we have been lead to understand that AMD has lowered the boom on Bergman for not managing the GlobalFoundries relationship properly. Sources tell us that GlobalFoundries is simply not up to the task of supplying AMD its needed parts and Bergman is first in line when it comes to the responsibility of making sure AMD is sourced properly. We understand that Bergman will be the first of the dominoes to fall.
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Rick Bergman is senior vice president and general manager of AMD’s products group, with responsibility for delivering AMD’s computing platforms and managing the graphics and microprocessor product development teams.

I first met Rick a bit over 10 years ago. Rick was a hell of a nice guy and we wish him the best.


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post Sep 23 2011, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 23 2011, 03:57 PM)
It's an open secret that AMD is not satisfied with GloFo's supply capability, given all the news of poor Llano yields.
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:49 PM

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A8-3820, A6-3620 and A4-3420
AMD plans to do a little refresh of its desktop A-series Llano APUs that will include three new APUs, the A8-3820, A6-3620 and the A4-3420. As you could have guessed from the names, we are talking about two quads and one dual-core APU that will replaced the A8-3800, A6-3600 and the A4-3400.

The new APUs are pretty much the same as the ones that they are meant to replace but with a slightly higher clock. The A8-3820 will be clocked at 2.5GHz with a 2.8GHz Turbo and will have the same HD 6550D GPU part. The A6-3620 ticks at 2.2GHz with a 2.5GHz Turbo and has the same HD 6530D GPU part, while the A4-3420 works at 2.8GHz and has the same HD 6530D GPU part. All three new parts have the 65W TDP, same as their predecessors.

The A8-3800, A6-3600 and the A4-3400 will coexist with the new ones until the end of Q2 2012. After Q2 2012, AMD won't be having any more orders for these. Of course, we expect the mentioned trio to have a slight price drop as soon as the refresh shows up in the market.

It is also important to know that Q1 2012 is the launch timeframe of the A6-3670K, while the A8-3870K is scheduled to ship in Q4 2011.
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happy.gif" guru3d shows some benchmark for AMD FX 8150

http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-fx-8150-clo...core-i7-2600k-/

claim to be on par with i7980x and i72600k
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post Sep 25 2011, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(shojikun @ Sep 25 2011, 09:52 PM)
happy.gif" guru3d shows some benchmark for AMD FX 8150

http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-fx-8150-clo...core-i7-2600k-/

claim to be on par with i7980x and i72600k
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70$ cheaper than the Intel Core i7 2600K and as fast / faster? If this is confirmed then I don't mind postponing my upgrade plans to a later date in October brows.gif.
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post Sep 25 2011, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(shojikun @ Sep 25 2011, 09:52 PM)
happy.gif" guru3d shows some benchmark for AMD FX 8150

http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-fx-8150-clo...core-i7-2600k-/

claim to be on par with i7980x and i72600k
Some of those questionable slides (from Donanimhaber again, are these real?) are pretty odd. Especially when comparing system prices with a Core i7 980X setup rather than a Core i7 2600K or Core i5 2500K setup. And then comparing multi-threaded benchmarks with a Core i7 2600K and Core i5 2500K only, while leaving out the Core i7 980X? unsure.gif

Even a few of the percentage scores in those benchmarks are wrong, in particular wPrime 32m for Core i7 2600K is around 42% to 48% faster than Core i5 2500K (references: HardOCP, Legit Reviews and Bittech). Another one is ABBYY Finereader 10 results (reference Tom's Hardware). hmm.gif

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post Sep 25 2011, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(lex @ Sep 25 2011, 11:05 PM)
Some of those questionable slides (from Donanimhaber again, are these real?) are pretty odd. Especially when comparing system prices with a Core i7 980X setup rather than a Core i7 2600K or Core i5 2500K setup. And then comparing multi-threaded benchmarks with a Core i7 2600K and Core i5 2500K only, while leaving out the Core i7 980X?  unsure.gif

Even a few of the percentage scores in those benchmarks are wrong, in particular wPrime 32m for Core i7 2600K is around 42% to 48% faster than Core i5 2500K (references: HardOCP, Legit Reviews and Bittech). Another one is ABBYY Finereader 10 results (reference Tom's Hardware). hmm.gif
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hmm.gif. Going by my calculations and according to [H]ARDOCP, an Intel Core i7 2600K is about 29.88% or 30% faster than an Intel Core i5 2500K hmm.gif. Perhaps I have gotten my calculations wrong? tongue.gif

Anyway, even if it's not 42% faster the benchmarks do indeed seem rather suspicious with those mistakes hmm.gif.
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post Sep 26 2011, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Sep 25 2011, 11:29 PM)
hmm.gif. Going by my calculations and according to [H]ARDOCP, an Intel Core i7 2600K is about 29.88% or 30% faster than an Intel Core i5 2500K hmm.gif. Perhaps I have gotten my calculations wrong? tongue.gif
For time-based values, it is inverse (1/t) and wPrime 32m results are usually in seconds. Therefore difference between Core i7 2600K and Core i5 2500K from HardOCP review is (10.37 / 7.27) x 100% = 42.6% wink.gif

QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Sep 25 2011, 11:29 PM)
Anyway, even if it's not 42% faster the benchmarks do indeed seem rather suspicious with those mistakes hmm.gif.
As for 7-Zip, that seems to be based on internal MIPs benchmark which is roughly correct, around 35% (although at least one review from TechReport shows 40%). However can't comment much on the others since testing parameters and software versions are unknown. For example, POV Ray can vary from 25% to almost 42% (references Hardware Canucks and Anandtech). Another example, WinRAR in most reviews usually do not exceed 20% between Core i7 2600K and Core i5 2500K, although this slide shows nearly or almost 30%. hmm.gif

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(10.37 / 7.27) x 100% = 42.6%. It is 142.6%. biggrin.gif
But the value is based on i7 2600K already. hmm.gif
Since you said xx is faster than i5 2500K, the value should be based on i5 2500K, right? hmm.gif

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post Sep 26 2011, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Sep 26 2011, 12:31 AM)
(10.37 / 7.27) x 100% = 42.6%. It is 142.6%. biggrin.gif
But the value is based on i7 2600K already. hmm.gif
Since you said xx is faster than i5 2500K, the value should be based on i5 2500K, right? hmm.gif
Yups, should have subtracted 100% from the result. And yes, as the slide shows Core i5 2500K as 100% then it should be based on Core i5 2500K. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 26 2011, 11:06 AM

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looks like cherry picked.

& notice how it doesn't pit gaming performance against 2600k.
we know that 2600k beats 980x in terms of gaming performance.

bear in mind, that FX 8150 has much higher default clock compared to 2600k.
it shud not just barely beating it, FX 8150 shud utterly annihilate 2600k, but it dint.
this don look so promising.
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post Sep 26 2011, 06:14 PM

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not just higher freq, higher TDP too lolz, 95W VS 125W, 2600K basically fighting handicapped. I don't have high hope on Bulldozer if Intel decide to slash price during they launch, Intel gonna hit Bulldozer real hard, but I liked Bobcat

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QUOTE(Kizarh @ Sep 26 2011, 06:14 PM)
not just higher freq, higher TDP too lolz, 95W VS 125W, 2600K basically fighting handicapped. I don't have high hope on Bulldozer if Intel decide to slash price during they launch, Intel gonna hit Bulldozer real hard, but I liked Bobcat
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Erm... Intel and AMD have their own ways in counting TDPs... biggrin.gif
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16 days left before the official stuff comes out...

Still 40 days late though.

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