but sadly most rumor results now point out that amd fx can't fight with sandy bridge core i7.

as long as can beat sb i5 is good for me

wprime@15 second, bulldozer architecture is just a joke, even the llano a8-380 with no turbo is faster than this (13sec+)
maybe something wrong with the optimization/driver, amd please fix this
if this true, this is a just a disappointment, an 315mm chip(pure cpu) cannot beat 216mm chip (with graphic)
oh well, hope their hd7000 series didnt fail

This post has been edited by zerorating: Sep 18 2011, 06:33 PM

My 1055t @ 3.2GHz also faster than Bulldozer ?!?!?!?

12 sec is default 4 threads (duno if turbo was activated or not)
9 sec is 6 threads
can go down to 7 sec if oc to 3.7 or 3.9ghz, forgot liao since long time dont play oc already

Meh.
If the performance is so poor, why don't AMD just make Phenom II x8?
Or just make Phenom II x4 in 32nm, should be able to boost up a lot of clock speed without compromising TDP.
Cost effective on R&D.

Because it is a high stakes guessing game. These chips are designed years before they could be manufactured and tested for performance.

For an idea of what they might be working with, here's a behind the scenes quote for GPU design:


Source: The RV770 Story: Documenting ATI's Road to Success, posted on December 2008

They were already hashing out plans on what to put in 2012 generation (HD 8000 series) in 2008!

Unrelated to this topic, but related to the above quote, there is a follow-up story for those interested: The RV870 Story: AMD Showing up to the Fight

In any case, AMD gambled years ago on making HT work better by putting down the extra silicon for it in their future CPU core. From all appearances, that gamble failed. Heads probably rolled for that. But I'm still waiting for the final verdict via the reviewers.

I'm probably going to buy another AMD CPU regardless, if I can find a suitable one. If the final verdict is negative, they're going to need all the support they can get for a possible renewed dark age. And for every year Intel earns more than AMD, it adds to Intel's technological lead. Intel claims it has grown to a 4 year lead now, that it would take AMD until at least 2014 before they can implement 3D transistors.

^ ATI > AMD!

AMD K10 architecture is very old, they need something new... to fight with intel
those new cpu instructions like AVX/FMA/XOP found on Bulldozer, for example x264(it support AVX and some other new SSE), you can see the encoding speed increase alot at same clock speed, is always better than OC your processor(or turbo) like a mad + spend alot of money on cooling stuff while the performance does not gain much.
And if the x264 was compiled with 64bit support, you will see another encoding speed increase at the same clock speed, again.
in short, more cpu instructions > higher clock speed.

AMD jahat

I tak mahu beli BD. I sudah tawar hati

If they got something good to show, they probably show it by now. Multiple delays + no official performance showcase = more likely the product is a failure. It make no sense for not showing a great performance of bulldozer(if it is true) to cannibalize the sales of SB.

Regardless of how BD will actually perform it actually better for AMD if they do not show any results prior to launch. They are small compared to Intel and showing your trump card early in the game is going to hurt AMD's chance of making sure that their competition doesn't know how well their products perform. No matter how well BD will perform, there is no way that AMD will cause Intel to lose their share of the market period. No matter how good BD will be, you wouldn't see AMD being the market leader and Intel as the underdog in a short period of time. Also, GloFlo does not have the production capacity or R&D budget to actually be as competitive as Intel.

[quote=whitedrake88,Sep 18 2011, 01:33 PM]
No .... AMD FX will only fit in AM3+ mobo.. BTW issit possible to fit in AM3 after bios update?

Majority mobo manufacturer claimed that certain am3 chipset after a flashing of bios can fit in an amd fx ~

This post has been edited by kwlian: Sep 19 2011, 11:59 AM

My point is not there.
But instead, if current K10 architecture is better than Bulldozer, why don't they just make it into 32nm and release to market?
That will be more competing.

Yes, for certain mobo.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Sep 19 2011, 01:49 PM

Any proofs? If can then I got interest to kumpul $$ to buy bulldozer liao

This post has been edited by wcypierre: Sep 19 2011, 02:36 PM

AMD Trinity APU launching Q1 2012

IIRC, Trinity APUs will be using an improved version of Bulldozer modules that will be present in next year's Komodo chip. Perhaps Bulldozer Enhanced is coming Q2 2012?

This post has been edited by yimingwuzere: Sep 19 2011, 04:01 PM

Bulldozer is beginning to sound like DNF, just absolute silence (apart from the overclocking event). Nothing, zilch... Not even any hint of shipping announcements, and as far as rumors goes are pointing at mid October launch which is only less than a month away.

Bulldozer situation summarized in one picture...

This post has been edited by lex: Sep 19 2011, 06:38 PM

I don't know, seems like if Bulldozer can be a success, they properly had to get it RM400 at almost 2500K level. Still people would think about it, since it doesn't have graphics, Ivy Bridge is coming

personally, I feel very rarely people buys a new processor without a new board ...

First need to identify ur current mobo's manufacturer then goto their website ~ then search for Am3 mobo compatibility for Amd FX processor , majority 880G & 890X chipset mobo is compatible after a flashing bios onli certain 7XX series chipset could support Amd FX .

I have somewhat agree with u at some points u said, trump card is best not to show too early, but the situation is diff now. SB is selling like hotcakes, if u are AMD if u got something good, u could showed it by now.(hey wait we got something better dont buy SB yet). It is already within +/- 1-2 months from release, there is no way Intel can come up something better this quick. So IMO it is actually better for AMD to show some real performance figures than hiding everything. Remember they are showing their bobcat openly prior of launch? Why not bulldozer?
Exactly, we not even count that the 1yr old SB 32nm can go up to 3.8GHz easily with stock volt. Intel could easily launch a 3.8GHz SB if they wanted to, Ivy bridge is around the corner, it could easily reach 4GHz+ if Intel are really pushing it.

If Bulldozer want to win this competition they have to have clock for clock performance and also able to scale up to 4GHz+ together. Otherwise they should just rename it to Phenom II X8

This post has been edited by billytong: Sep 20 2011, 01:33 PM

Source : Mydrivers.com

The party of AMD Fusion APU is started with two big series, Brazos and Llano. The next generation APU is in preparation, but the launch date may different from old news. The launching of high performance 32nm-based Trinity hopefully will be pulled to early of 2012, while the low power 23nm-based Wichita may delayed to end of 2012.
AMD CFO, Thomas Seifert, announced the successor of Llano APU, codenamed Trinity, will be launched in early of 2012.
Originally, Trinity APU was planned to be launch in Q2 2012. The worse case is June, in the Taipei Computex 2012. But seeing it may come in Q2 2012, it may shown in CES 2011. On that time, the time between launching of Llano APU and Trinity is only half year.
Since Intel is pushing the Ultrabook, AMD also prepared counterparts, that is low power version of Trinity APU. Lowest TDP of it can be 17W.
When Trinity APU is launched, the counterpart of Ultrabook is also ready. The IGP performance is far more superior compared to Intel IGP.
For the low power Wichita APU, AMD was originally planned to launch it in 2012, but the date is not confirmed.
In fact, there are rumors said that Brazos platform will be sold until Q4 2012, this said Wichita won't be launched early.
It may caused by the 28nm lithography. Rumors say AMD is still finding, either TSMC or GlobalFoundries, which company is better in manufacturing the chip.
Both 2 companies will only start volume production of 28nm chips in next year.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Sep 20 2011, 04:55 PM

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,837552/B...ie/?iid=1555077

Not sure if serious benchmarks, as OBR leaked a batch of fake benchmarks to Donanimhaber before.