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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Do Your Part, Save The Club!

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post Aug 25 2010, 12:50 PM

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Hate to say this but basing on the personnel + rumbling on the board + financial state of the club + to a certain extend tactical nous of RH, only a miracle can take us to CL next season, best bet is Europa & we'll lose the brightest jewels we have. Reality bites wink.gif
Now its a wonder if we're not sucked into administration & forced into selling all stars. Come next season, most likely we'll start over again in smaller scale. Those dreaming of star signings should have reality checks, not when those cowboys still at helms shakehead.gif
Most still in denial that the club is in deeper shit than it seems. Even if there's new owner coming in, the rebuilding process will take a few years which seems to go on forever since King Kenny left.
I still think RH is not a long term solution rather a stop gap measure. Its to his credit that he's able to stabilize the ship but clearly, he's not the one to steer us to calm waters. Oh well, who in the right frame of his mind would want to come in the club at these trying times doh.gif

It'll be Souness era once more cry.gif

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QUOTE(demio121 @ Aug 25 2010, 12:30 PM)
my fella reds... be prepared for another season of "we have to start rebuilding all over again".  I think we have this every.. maybe 4 or 5 or 6 years once.  Vicious cycle.

I am not losing faith here.  I would love to be challenging to be champion and not waking up early Fri morning to watch us playing in Europa but we have to realistic here.
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post Aug 25 2010, 01:34 PM

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Too early to be pressing all the panic/hopeless buttons. Give RH a chance. After all, we gave RB 5 years+ and he left us in quite a mess. RH is an experienced, well-travelled professional who has managed both clubs and national sides. I like the team he assembled at Fulham altho' it was never going to be a CL team.

Once a manager leaves, a few players will feel unsettled and the whole team need to gel again - quite normal. Of course the excellent team gels much faster and LFC is not there yet. If RH is willing to listen (unlike RB) then we can be more hopeful going forward.

I believe we will do better than 7th this season and will probably be chasing a top 4 position. If RH can identify the really good players from the mediocre ones, motivate them quickly enough, who knows ...
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post Aug 25 2010, 01:56 PM

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Yes I do hope under par players or players who haven't perform yet will step up their game like Babel, N'gog, Maxi Rodriguez, Jovanovic and Joe Cole can find their scoring boots and give us the cutting edge to grind results in the absense of Gerrard and/or Torres.

I feel they are the key to the success of Liverpool this season, for I do not want to put too much burden on Stevie G or Torres to do it themselves....
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post Aug 25 2010, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Aug 25 2010, 02:34 PM)
Too early to be pressing all the panic/hopeless buttons.  Give RH a chance. After all, we gave RB 5 years+ and he left us in quite a mess.  RH is an experienced, well-travelled professional who has managed both clubs and national sides.  I like the team he assembled at Fulham altho' it was never going to be a CL team.

Once a manager leaves, a few players will feel unsettled and the whole team need to gel again - quite normal.  Of course the excellent team gels much faster and LFC is not there yet.  If RH is willing to listen (unlike RB) then we can be more hopeful going forward.

I believe we will do better than 7th this season and will probably be chasing a top 4 position.  If RH can identify the really good players from the mediocre ones, motivate them quickly enough, who knows ...
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yours & some LFc fans version seem to contradict a host of fans that seem to think rafa

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that Benitez was a manager over-performing with the constraints placed on him


i would like to cut & paste lfc fans emails but that would be detrimental to the massive injustise how the fans round the world REALLY sees the failings for LFC.

http://www.football365.com/mailbox/story/0...6332938,00.html

i wholly agree that statements of Oliver Dziggel (Switzerland), Steven Charles, (Liverpool), daniel cohen.

I dont blame roy. He is Not the best candidate to ever manage LFC But the ONLY candidate amongst the rubbish candidates the owners have allowed.

We shouldnt have sack rafa would be a better option. We wer SO out of depth against MC. we have lost massively to the big guns before but there were critical stages in those match that could have gone either way. Rafa in his losing games with LFC, never lost without much real fight. Againsts MC we clearly looked like MID to bottom table team & massively headless against a newly assembled side who clearly didnt practice together for more then 2-weeks.

it pains me massively to see there are still some delusional LFc fans. we'll probably get some consolation win in the next games against lowly sides but its the totally out of sorts against teams that are our worthy adversaries

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post Aug 25 2010, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 25 2010, 11:24 AM)
Yap..but we already pass our big spending time..we learn our lesson from Sheva..even Roman take it personally...We implement financial fairplay now..We only sign Ramires..around 20mil..benayoun 6mil..and a few youngsters..26mil come from the wages of Ballack,Joe Cole,Belletti,Deco,Cavalho..youngster we bought from the profit of loan fees...we dont spend big since sheva..only media link us with everyone..we understand the confusion...
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dont think financial fairplay really describe what happen to ski now. the truth is chelsea dont need to spent as much they once did so why bother. they got strong squad with better reputation and already a bigger club then before. its easier for ski to bring anyone now then few yrs ago. money no longer the main attraction to the club. bet if ski still the same like ranieri era or at the same place where city,pool now then money still pouring.. if roman got the money la. futhermore regarding ur statement ONLY signing ramires for around 20mil? honestly a 20mil for a youngster aint consider bargain/fair money. 26mil from ex player? ur chelsea accountant huh doh.gif

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QUOTE(onepack @ Aug 25 2010, 02:59 PM)
dont think financial fairplay really describe what happen to ski now. the truth is chelsea dont need to spent as much they once did so why bother. they got strong squad with better reputation and already a bigger club then before. its easier for ski to bring anyone now then few yrs ago. money no longer the main attraction to the club. bet if ski still the same like ranieri era or at the same place where city,pool now then money still pouring.. if roman got the money la. futhermore regarding ur statement ONLY signing ramires for around 20mil? honestly a 20mil for a youngster aint consider bargain/fair money. 26mil from ex player? ur chelsea accountant huh  doh.gif
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1-how do you know that it is not financial fairplay? at least we try...

2-that is why we sign many..

3-that is roman..and that is why chelsea fans always love him..he is a fan..he is passionate with the club..not owner that trash the club into debt..Roman even pay for some debt and demand us to start self sufficient and financial fairplay..you dont read much about chelsea..so dont bother talking...

4-20 mil for 1st 11 players in Brazil squad..with future..and after his performance in world cup..yes...

5-You dont understand how to calculate..26mil not all from the wages and fees..Ballack,Deco,Cavalho,Joe Cole and Belleti...

for examples...Joey demand 100,000 week chelsea release/out of contract...and sign Benayoun 60,000

We save about 40,000 weekly..the sum for a season about 2mil..dude..think about this..and not just Joe Cole...Ballack,Deco,Cavalho..and Belleti...i think we can get about 15 mybe...so plus some money everything good then...

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post Aug 25 2010, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 25 2010, 02:13 PM)
1-how do you know that it is not financial fairplay? at least we try...

2-that is why we sign many..

3-that is roman..and that is why chelsea fans always love him..he is a fan..he is passionate with the club..not owner that trash the club into debt..Roman even pay for some debt and demand us to start self sufficient and financial fairplay..you dont read much about chelsea..so dont bother talking...

4-20 mil for 1st 11 players in Brazil squad..with future..and after his performance in world cup..yes...

5-You dont understand how to calculate..26mil not all from the wages and fees..Ballack,Deco,Cavalho,Joe Cole and Belleti...

for examples...Joey demand 100,000 week chelsea release/out of contract...and sign Benayoun 60,000

We save about 40,000 weekly..the sum for a season about 22mil..dude..think about this..and not just Joe Cole...Ballack,Deco,Cavalho..and Belleti...
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mcm jwp periksa la pulak tongue.gif

first of all u came with the idea of finacial fairplay just coz chelsea hv not spend as much. that pretty much a bold statement consider how much hv they spent before and the current situation/squad/performance are so much different than before. also dont forget ski still making loss from all the spending.
if roman clear the debt, passionate for club good for him and club then but still that doesnt change the fact he hv spent a lot of his own money which is not the club revenue to bring ski to where they are now and possibly will do the same if chelsea not challenging anymore.
if u consider ramires a fair deal then sheva definately worth the money maybe more with the current fluctuate market.
for the 26mil transfer.. just say ski saves a lot from the oldies la.

40,000 x 52 = 2,080,000

and thats about 2.1mil icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(onepack @ Aug 25 2010, 03:55 PM)
mcm jwp periksa la pulak  tongue.gif

first of all u came with the idea of finacial fairplay just coz chelsea hv not spend as much. that pretty much a bold statement consider how much hv they spent before and the current situation/squad/performance are so much different than before. also dont forget ski still making loss from all the spending.
if roman clear the debt, passionate for club good for him and club then but still that doesnt change the fact he hv spent a lot of his own money which is not the club revenue to bring ski to where they are now and possibly will do the same if chelsea not challenging anymore.
if u consider ramires a fair deal then sheva definately worth the money maybe more with the current fluctuate market.
for the 26mil transfer.. just say ski saves a lot from the oldies la.

40,000 x 52 = 2,080,000

and thats about 2.1mil  icon_rolleyes.gif
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okey ive change my calculation...sorry..my bad.. notworthy.gif

This is to support my points..that we use the wages to buy..

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Released trio shave £20M from Chelsea wage bill
10.06.10 | tribalfootball.com
READ MORE NEWS ON: Joe Cole, Chelsea, World Cup

Chelsea have cleared a massive £20 MILLION from their wage bill after the release of Joe Cole, Michael Ballack and Juliano Belletti yesterday.

The Daily Express says Chelsea have shaved an astonishing £20 million a year off their wage bill by allowing Cole, Ballack and Belletti to leave as free agents and Portugal midfielder Deco to join Brazilian club Fluminense after the World Cup for a nominal fee.

Cole was on about £90,000 a week, Ballack £130,000, Belletti £65,000 and Deco £96,000.
Without Deco and Cavalho already 20mil...

More references.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/released-tri...age-bill-897921
http://www.onenewspage.co.uk/news/Sports/2...a-wage-bill.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/worldcup...9&display=Ghana

Loss and Loan also Debt Issues..

Abramovich wipes out £340 million Chelsea debt
http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/index.p...nt&view=article

Chelsea now debt-free after Roman Abramovich writes off £340million loans

Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chels...l#ixzz0xbGjN1Yq
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Bloomberg
Chelsea’s Annual Loss Narrows to 47 Million Pounds (Update1)
April 13, 2010, 10:34 AM EDT

April 13 (Bloomberg) -- English Premier League leader Chelsea said the loss for the year to June 30, 2009, narrowed to 47 million pounds ($72.5 million) from 70.4 million pounds the previous year as operating expenses fell.

Our loss getting lesser each season..we are trying our best to be self sufficient..




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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Aug 25 2010, 01:58 PM)
it pains me massively to see there are still some delusional LFc fans. we'll probably get some consolation win in the next games against lowly sides but its the totally out of sorts against teams that are our worthy adversaries
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You forget too quickly how valiantly we played the second half against Arsenal with 10 players. We could have won that game if not for that unfortunate incident right at the end. Delusional we are not. Hopeful and positive we definitely try to be. nod.gif

To say that we'll be "totally out of sorts" against the top 6 is really negative, and to be that negative so early in the season is ... so sad sad.gif
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Negative?? We're screwed! Top 4 from the bottom!
By end of the season we should get promoted to the Npower Championship. Those !@#&* Yanks shouldn't get a single penny from Liverpool!
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Ever heard of cutting off the nose to spite the face? shakehead.gif
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Heated discussion?

...Liverpool buying Carlton Cole. Nice piece of addition. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Aug 25 2010, 03:25 PM)

Our loss getting lesser each season..we are trying our best to be self sufficient..
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thats more likely

okla ur proof u point.. finally
appreciate that,tq but dont hv time la nk baca.. too much icon_rolleyes.gif
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Still don't get it why RH let Aquilani go without giving him more time in official games. It is annoying but somehow I have a feeling that Aquilani gonna outperform himself in Juventus and then come back to us injured or unable to do the same in Juventus.

This seems to be the case with most players that we released/loaned out/sold. Keeping faith that somehow things will turned out better in the end though.
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no gerrad and torres for europe this week doh.gif

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...s-trabzon-clash
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Aug 25 2010, 06:29 PM)
no gerrad and torres for europe this week doh.gif

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...s-trabzon-clash
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Sadly I think that while money may not guarantee you the title, it certainly gives you a huge advantage over the rest so yeah, to a large degree, money does buy you titles. Mancs may argue that they can still challenge albeit not splurging in recent seasons but if you look at how fast Chelsea have closed the gap over the past 5 seasons, or how fast Man City have/are done so, money does help a great deal.

Our recent defeat to Man City was the worst we've had in what? 40 over years? Is it some coincidence it came at a time when their bench cost as much as our first team?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 25 2010, 06:55 PM)
Our recent defeat to Man City was the worst we've had in what? 40 over years? Is it some coincidence it came at a time when their bench cost as much as our first team?
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40 over years? Manchester City recorded its biggest victory over Liverpool in 73 years,

Pay peanuts, thus get monkeys!

And that's just the beginning, the worse is yet to come!
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Before transfer window, player linked with us

Defender

1- Konchesky
2- Mathieu Debuchy
3- Martin Caceres (Swap Macherano)
3- Salcido

Midfield

1- Ben Arfa
2- Mahamadou Diarra
3- Helb (Swap Macherano)

Striker

1- Trezequet
2- Charlton Cole
3- Ola Toivonen

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