we have 2 pretty tough openning game. Arsenal and ManC. still, going down 3 goals is no excuse. I am prepared for sit thru Oct when RBS took over the club. I don't see the club moving forward until there is a new owner and a new game plan.

The air around the club is making a lot of people around d world sick.

I didn't say they were 100% accurate but given a choice, I think they are much more credible that whatever you read in the media. In terms of being honest, I've no doubt that Carragher doesn't mince his words. To say he didn't have many nice things say about the likes of Collymore, Anelka, Diouf, Diao and Josemi would be an understatement. Carra is never one to sugar coat his opinions.

Gerrard made the former quote but I don't remember Carragher making such a comment ever. All he's ever said is that he got sick of being looked over whenever the likes of Woodgate, King and Upson were fit, despite having a superb season in 2005. While Gerrard may be guilty of being a hypocrite, I don't even remember Carragher going down the same road.

If your take is that there is no absolute truth in written literature, then there wouldn't be a point in reading anything except for entertainment. We select the most credible source we know and we base our opinions on it, isn't that the way it's always worked? We either look at the author or the source in the case of online material. Paul Tomkins for example, has often been criticised for writing with rose tinted glasses. Wooltonian is a regular poster on RAWK as has vast amounts of knowledge, constantly reminiscing about the 70's and 80's. My point is they all have a reputation of sorts unlike most writers in the newspapers who are journalists, and no columnist. The latter I believe gives you a more accurate description of a player or a scenario e.g. Hillsbrough. 100% accurate? Maybe not but we can only rely on what we believe is the most credible source.

As I said earlier, take all written material away and you're left with a man who plays his heart out each and every game. I don't think it's unreasonable therefore to give him the benefit of the doubt.

duke,
I see your sigi and i think to myself, wateva happen to our faith.

in this age, faith can take us only so far. $$$ will do the rest and sadly, $$$ is what we are lacking now.

Faith is everpresent. If it weren't, many would have changed their faiths, and indeed many probably have already. I don't have great expectations for this season and I certainly don't expect us to challenge for the title. Embracing reality however, doesn't make losing any easier to swallow.

Yes, time changes the face of football. Previously, only the likes of Juventus, Real Madrid and maybe Barca can spend big money to get the players they wanted...and now the likes of Chelsea, Man City all comes up with a bottomless pit of transfer funds.

This didn't happen to the EPL 10-20 years back, so back then we still can use our faith to traumatize our opponents. Now look at us...our bank balance is on a negative now! We can hardly tussle with the likes of Spurs, Villa and even West Ham in the transfer market...we can just hope for free agents or aging, cheap bargain transfers. Back then our $$$ was pretty healthy and we can buy some pretty good players, and there is no yanks to ruin it for us

I dare say Chelsea and Man City just inflate the market and changed the face of EPL for at least this decade. Money talks in this millenia, and money has effected our transfer plans where it has taken away :

Notable Players we missed
1.Gareth Barry - he signed for Man C instead...for $$$
2.David Silva - Rafa wanted him but Valencia want to sell him for loads of cash to Man C
3.David Villa - We almost got him when he was in Zaragoza, but Valencia willing to meet the price and we couldn't
4.Carlos Tevez - We could get him if we can meet the price his agent offer. Heck, he MIGHT even make Masch stay!
5.Sergio Aguero - admits he was cheering for Liverpool back then, and likes Liverpool but due to the interest from Chelsea and all...his price shot up to the roof and it is now out of reach for us

Missed Players that MIGHT make a difference
1. Ruud Van Nistelrooy - wages too high
2. Gabriel Heinze - Fergie didn't want to sell him to us, but I think with the right $$ we can get him
3. Simao - Rafa failed to get him season after season because of the tight transfer kitty
4. Micheal Owen - We could have got him back after Madrid wanted to sell him...but we were outbid by Newcastle, and now he's in Man Utd

I'm sure there are many other quality players that we may possibly have, but this is what that I have in mind now.

I just hope in the future, LFC have enough cash to get the players they wanted...we don't need to be like Man C of Chelsea who buys and tries all possible prospective big names and sell them the season after if they aren't good enough.

This post has been edited by kazuki85: Aug 25 2010, 10:38 AM

$ does play very major role nowadays.

That's why a bigger stadium is the most important/priority thing to it.
Without it, there is limit how far the club financial can do.

Talk about our stadium....sigh....we are like 2 years behind schedule. Imagine how much $$$ we can rake up from tickets, advertising banners, sponsors, Stadium naming rights, etc. Who knows that we might sign more quality players back then.

Damn you Yanks!

This post has been edited by kazuki85: Aug 25 2010, 10:59 AM

why dont you get your facts right before blasting CFC.

Dude chill, I'm not blasting anyone here. I'm just comparing the financial situation and spending power of your Chelsea club, Man C and us.

This post has been edited by kazuki85: Aug 25 2010, 11:16 AM

we're not like man city. we have our own hard times. our stadium was almost sold off. i wasnt there but im sure the fans at that time felt it.

i also dont like the fact that sometimes players in the club could not make it into the team and ends up in a smaller club but thats reality. we usually support all of the players who wear the club's jersey but if they are not good enough, they have to go. thats the harsh reality of football. i hate it everytime that happens, be it the youngsters or seniors like shevchenko.

Yap..but we already pass our big spending time..we learn our lesson from Sheva..even Roman take it personally...We implement financial fairplay now..We only sign Ramires..around 20mil..benayoun 6mil..and a few youngsters..26mil come from the wages of Ballack,Joe Cole,Belletti,Deco,Cavalho..youngster we bought from the profit of loan fees...we dont spend big since sheva..only media link us with everyone..we understand the confusion...

he is under contract. he has put 100% passion in all liverpool games. he doesnt hold back.

but under the cloud of doubt & uncertainty (be it his unsettled wife or the shing bangs the boards plays), he does not do justice to himself much less TO liverpool by giving less than 100%.

if you are employed by a company in to medan, indonesia but your loved ones are having difficulties settling there, you come home to an empty home, no one to share your joys of wins or the agony in defeat.
one will lose the desire, to challenge oneself.

He march, can honour his contract, but i believe there will be less value for Liverpool FC in the end. what Liverpool FC is undoing now, releasing foreign players & some highly rated foreign players juniors in favour of more britishness may be the undoing of a great club. we arent arsenal but we recruit players worthy of Liverpool regardless country of orgin.

while i understand the 'creation' for more british based players but the speed of 'dismantaling' rafa legacy to "cut overheads" so that the owners can still grip, or prolong their stronghold for undeserved profit of sale.

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Added on August 25, 2010, 11:38 ami hear yahya kirdi is in the driving seat. very good pals of G&H esp one of the son.

it will be NO different if such news materialised that he succeed. its just digging a bigger black hole to what is already a leaking ship.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Aug 25 2010, 11:45 AM

Fair Play. You guys didn't spend huge for the past season or two, unlike earlier when Roman first came in. Probably because the spine and teamwork of your team is already there (Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cole, Cech).

But for Man City, their owners just want to get started. Even Mourinho admits the rich Real Madrid lost their bid to get Kolarov, which is too expensive and not worth it for him. Man City offering players too much $$ that any player's agents will turn their heads to them if there is an offer on the table. This makes the price of players whom they are interested in automatically shoots all the way up to the roof and rendering the other poorer/medium teams unable to meet the transfer price.

As mentioned earlier, remember how we lost out on Barry, Silva and possibly Tevez to them. Sorry to Keane fans, but if we we're to get Barry, the Liverpool boards wouldn't have force Rafa to get Robbie Keane. Rafa did drop hints about "I asked for a table but they give me a lamp instead" comments. We're not only negative on cash, but we have bloody blood sucking owners who broke their promise and didn't finish up the stadium, controlled the players and staff transfer of the club (Rafa only got the transfer rights like last season....but sadly it was his last). I personally think HnG deliberately screw Rafa by limiting his funds and pushing him to the exit door due to his constant moaning and complaints.

We lost a good tactical manager, new stadium was 2 years delayed and we are on the brink of administration. Yahya Kirdi, our potential new owner's comments doesn't seem like he is a fan as well, he seem more like a puppet of HnG. Kenny Huang has just pulled out recently, Mascherano is not in a "right frame of mind" to play, Torres has yet to pick up his form, Joe Cole got a harsh red card and missed a penalty last week, and WE DON'T HAVE A PROPER AND FIT LEFTBACK (Insua still looks likely to leave and Aurelio is nowhere near match fit). We're at a pretty low morale right now...so let us moan a bit will ya.

This post has been edited by kazuki85: Aug 25 2010, 11:42 AM

Oh wow, I guess being nearly broke and relegated to division 2 isn't exactly going through 'hard times'?

Don't be a hypocrite. Manchester City are doing exactly what Chelsea did during the early Abrahimovich years - only much later and on a bigger scale. Much as I dislike the notion, money does buy titles - the riches club buys the best players, and when they are no longer the richest their fans take the high moral ground of "not buying the title".

Having said that, any sugardaddy would be better than the yanks

any sugardaddy (who has passion for football, attend games, would write clubs debt off) would be better than the yanks. i'm such an ar$ehead i reserve such criteria.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Aug 25 2010, 11:51 AM

Man City may spend like over 100m now, but I'm sure they will slow down after a few seasons like Chelsea once they settle with a good manager and stick to the spine.

I forsee Tevez, Milner (?), Toure brothers, De Jong (?) and Joe Hart as their future backbone of the team, with plenty of quality in the benches.

Back to topic, I hope Liverpool recovers quickly and sort out the new owners A.S.A.P. If we get a proper owner/s who can at least get the new stadium ready and avoid administration, we might be in for a good recovery.

there were once when football is an honour game. Belief and faith fill the arena. The history of the club will shake the opponent.

These days, you find player moving for record money (not to mention statement like "i believe we can challenge for title, i believe this club is the biggest, it's my childhood dream to play for this team)... then half way thru d season the very same player revolt to get out. Its a sin to sign a contract for over 100k/week (majority of this planet population dun even make tat much in a lifetime) and yet behave like a child. Just look at that Brazilian from the blue half of Manchester...!!!

Reality is money rule the game. Period. It all boil down to money. If we read the news (which is mostly rubbish), the most likely bidder for our club is also a close fren of the current owner (who in my imaginary world look like human in the shape of donkey grazing a field of money). It could be a case of delay their profit. Give it to someone i know to avoid the bank takeover and i can buy time to milk more profit. Given those donkeys track record, i am not surprise if this scenario turn out real.

So there you have it. Despite all these, my faith remain strong. Reality sucks but my faith keep me close to my club. I pray that reality just don't bulldoze my faith.

Back then most of the players were only < 20m price tag so virtually most EPL clubs can get the players they wanted. It just boils down to the player's preference and choice to go to which club they want. It was more competitive and its up to the players to perform and managers to flex out their tactics and put up a good healthy fight.

Time changes and now the new fans are comparing us with big spending clubs, and hating our financial misfortune and losses. I've seen fans blasting LFC in the LFC facebook pages/forums and some even want to walk away. It sure is not easy to ask a new fan to cheer a losing team though...

But i agree with demio, I will keep my faith with LFC always. Touch wood, doesn't matter if we happen to be relegated or what...I will still support them till the very end.

YNWA

This post has been edited by kazuki85: Aug 25 2010, 12:11 PM

wanna bet m.city fanz suddenly on the rise after this juz like when Abramovic takeover chelsea?

relagated? i think we are far from that. We'll be living in mid-table challenging for 4th place. Europa will be familiar sight. my fren... that is what will happen to next year whatever happen come Oct.

Look at it this way. those donkeys want obscene money for ruining the club. No sane investor will do that. They buy for over 200mil. saddle the club with debts. put us mid table and ask for obscene profit to sell. If anyone will come in to buy now will be 1 helluva rich fella. Institution investor will not buy the club. Institution investor have shareholder to answer for. Only a ridiculously rich fella will buy knowing he/she do not have to answer to anyone. So the likely scenario is we will have to wait till Oct when RBS took over the club and sell to the bidder with some proof of money.

come Oct, transfer window is closed. We will have to do with who we have now. Then we wait till Jan window to open. By then all the good player will be cup-tied. Also in Jan you don't get good player in the market. Likely scenario, we are stuck with who we have until next summer. By then we will be again... challenging for 4th spot and likelyhood of Europa again.

my fella reds... be prepared for another season of "we have to start rebuilding all over again". I think we have this every.. maybe 4 or 5 or 6 years once. Vicious cycle.

I am not losing faith here. I would love to be challenging to be champion and not waking up early Fri morning to watch us playing in Europa but we have to realistic here.