A keeper winning MOTM equates to a team being piss poor? Spurs were no better themselves fizzing out after a good 35 minutes or so.

You wouldn't pretend to understand what he is going through but then go on to assume he wouldn't do anything detrimental to the club right after he refused to play for the club in a big match early in the season (assuming that he did refuse to play) to get a move to Barca.

It means the result could easily have been different because you allowed these chances to materialise despite playing what some call, a defensive game. Let's agree to disagree then. For the sake of argument, let me be more politically correct and say, they played below my expectations.

How is one the same as the other? I've no idea what they mean when they say he wasn't in the right frame of mind so no point guessing. I didn't say I assumed he wouldn't do anything detrimental to the club. I said that he wouldn't based on what I know and read about him, suggesting I'm basing my opinion on what I know as facts. I don't believe in lynching our own players until it's proven without a shadow of doubt that he was indeed being nothing but selfish. It's a known fact that the media often sensationalises things.

The first game of the season against Spurs whom they are potentially fighting with for one of the four top spots and playing for a draw and earning it would be a good result in my books. I'd like to see Liverpool do what City did against Spurs when they do meet.

You you said that he wouldn't based on what you know and read about him which is still an assumption because what you know and read about him comes from the same media you just labelled sensationalist.

So we have different expectations.

I doubt some sports journalist wrote the autobiographies of players like Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher. I think accounts from teammates are somewhat accurate. I also think that articles from a magazine like FourFourTwo is credible. In any case, what's wrong with adopting an "innocent until proven guilty" approach? If you lot want to lynch your own players for leaving e.g. Heinze, go ahead. Till this moment, I can't believe that some Liverpool fans blame Xabi Alonso for leaving.

Just to add, let's assume all literature has no credibility. The commitment I see from him on the pitch suggests to me that he has always played his heart out for the club whenever he's been given the chance. Actions speak louder than words? I have had nothing but good things to say about Mascherano and I'm not about to turn on him after one press report.

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no wonder we lose.. manc is damned good for us..
so don worry

ur team played like shit..i wastch also wanna puke for heavy headache

It's nothing new. It's speculated for months since Rafa left.
It's been speculated Mascherano might leave, likewise Torres, Gerrard, Lucas, Aquilani, Reina, Kuyt etc.

I am not SURPRISED at all.

Did the two of you go to the same school?

Nothing like a bit of comic relief to wash the sorrows away

The thing about autobiographies are that the sane footballers, what do you expect to pen about their teammates? I mean of course you will have nutters like Keane, Cole and Stam writing stupid things that end up ruining their careers at their clubs while they are there but most of what you read in these books, don't expect them to be 100% honest. More over you mention the two same autobiographies where these two have written politically correct nonsense only to go back on those very words they typed/said/written.

Remember the whole "If my teammate ever dive, I'd have a word?" from Gerrard or Carragher's "It wouldn't be right to take up a spot in the national team after other players worked their arses off during qualification." My point is, both the compliments and condemnation written in the press or by these footballers, I really wouldn't trust either.

a 12 million pound bid by any club for mascherano is bloody ridiculous. can't believe how spanish clubs can get away with such low valuations of other players. i'm not even a big fan of the lad but i can say without a shadow of a doubt that he's worth at least 20 million pounds. anything less will be considered a steal, and if the tables were turned i'd expect the bid to be 'laughed off' by the catalans. liverpool should do the same.

agreed! =)

I like Masch, but the unsettled family angle is getting a bit tiresome. Seriously, can't imagine how hard it must be to settle into a comfortable life when your other half takes home what, 65 big ones A WEEK?

Like I mentioned earlier, it's probably either wanting to play elsewhere or something different that we know not of. Perhaps all the other Argentines are being shelved and Masch feels unwanted? Maybe he thinks that Aqualini is the dog's bollocks?

However, I do strongly suspect that RH's pro-british approach might turn off some of the foreign players.

But the real thing that has been bugging me is the RBS thing. I believe that the bank has no interest at all in owning a football club - hence the easiest way to recoup their money is to sell off Liverpool's assets. Offer Reina at 20 million - Wenger and Ferguson will probably race to bite your hand off. Torres to anywhere for 50 million...

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Based on his past two showings, no thanks. And no way in hell would Reina come to us anyway.

Good for someone who never seen the spanish number 2 played b4

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Added on August 25, 2010, 12:53 amOwh sorry didn't notice ur nickname , tot u were a football fan lol

This post has been edited by MariMo: Aug 25 2010, 12:59 AM

well, as many as there is a good amount of so called 'world class' players in the expensively-assembled city squad, if there is a perfect time to face them, it is surely the early of the season when they are still new to each other and havent gel as a unit. as such i expect us to give them a good fight. but the bad point is that, because places in the starting line up are so competitive in their squad, players chosen in the first 11 would surely give their all to keep their places. they have to be on their toes on the pitch and perform as mancini would have wanted. yes i agree that they were below par against spurs, and was lucky to get a point, and that has got me even more confident prior to last night's match, but turns out, when u r at home, with more new players coming in, in front of your fans and owner, a big rival in liverpool for champs league spot, it probably was a huge motivation for them to go out there and outclassed us in every department.. its just too bad as the liverpool we know from last weekend, just didnt turn up, except for gerrard, the rest of the lads should look back at this city game and wonder if they still want to make the most of this campaign. yes it is still early days in roy's era, as such i'd only hope that we do better in coming games.. mind u, a trip to turkey aint easy with their hostile environment. and then with wba to visit anfield, they will make life very difficult for us by packing up midfield and defence, as for now, i dont see us scoring 6 past them like chelsea did..

Almost all of our players were pedestrian last night. We know that with quality players in City squad, they will easily play possession football. U cannot just sit back and wait for them to give away possession. U hav to earn it. U have to play with higher tempo, chase, close down. That's what Spurs did. That's what Fulham did (against ManU).

That's why we like players like Masch who will give opposition zero time on the ball. If u play with high tempo eventually they will lose possession and (even) a 50% fit Torres can capitalise on that.

But no, the players chose not to turn up and again our skipper had to do it on his own.

worries me when we say this kind of thing. means we are still reliant on certain players

i thought RH should have played poulsen instead on lucas, liberate gerrard in place of ngog

reli cry looking at the team overrun like tat

the morale is LOW at Anfield

hopefully RH can restore the MORALE wif his tactics wif an away WIN in the Europa qualifying, if we lose again,
we might even lose the next BPL game and we will be goners soon