Common Kelvin White Balance Settings : 2500K - very strong orange tungsten light 2800K - strong orange tungsten light 3200K - yellowish tungsten light 4500K M6 - flourescent light (most flourescent tubes are green even though our eyes don't see it) 5500K - flash 6500K - daylight (or daylight-balanced flourescent light) 9900K - strong blue stage lighting or evening light
Xenon lighting is rare but that should be between 7000-9000K.
Whenever you enter a new situation that has different WB, just set your Kelvin WB again and test with one shot. You
should be able to do this with practice.
With the Sony A300 and A350, you can use Live View and see the effect of changing Kelvin WB... live!
M = Magenta G = Green 2500K = Blue 9900K = Amber
Take a picture. Supposing the picture is very Green, you need to add the opposite which is Magenta. If the picture is
too Blue you need to go closer to Amber. So if the picture is very blue-green-ish, you will need to go closer to 9900K
M9.
To prevent the built-in flash from appearing in pictures when in wireless flash mode, you can use any of these
methods, or a combination of them:
- use a darker aperture (e.g. F11) - use a lower ISO (e.g. ISO100) - use a shutter speed faster than your flash sync speed so that High Speed Sync is activated (e.g. 1/320th of a
second) - use a piece of exposed, developed negative film in front of your pop-up flash
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Alpha street pricelist ***updated 28th July 2010***
Camera --------- Sony A230 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM14xx Sony A290 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM14xx Sony A330 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM18xx Sony A380 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM20xx Sony A380 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT SAM = RM24xx Sony A390 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM17xx Sony A700 + 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT = RM33xx Sony A550 body only = RM21xx Sony A500 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT SAM = RM31xx Sony A550 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM24xx Sony A550 + 18-250mm F3.5-6.3 DT = RM40xx Sony A850 body only = RM61xx Sony A900 body only = RM73xx (Studio Zaloon) Sony NEX-3 + 16mm F2.8 = RM16xx Sony NEX-3 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM18xx Sony NEX-3 + 16mm F2.8 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM22xx Sony NEX-5 + 16mm F2.8 = RM21xx Sony NEX-5 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM22xx Sony NEX-5 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS + 4GB MSPD = RM23xx
The following suffixes identify what lens comes with the camera body:
G = Sony 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 DT K = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT L = Sony 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM P = Sony 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 DT Q = Sony 28-75mm F2.8 SAM W = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT + Sony 75-300mm F4.5-5.6 X = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT + Sony 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT Y = Sony 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + Sony 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT (2) SAM Z = Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 DT ZA
For Sony NEX bodies:
A = Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake D = Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake + Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS H = Sony E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 Active OSS K = Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS
Battery Grip -------------- Sony VG-B30AM for A200/A300/A350 = RM6xx Sony VG-C70AM battery grip for A700 = RM9xx Sony VG-C90AM for A900 = RM9xx
Flash ------ Sony HVL-F20AM = RM4xx Sony HVL-F42AM = RM7xx Sony HVL-F58AM = RM11xx
New APS-C / DT Crop Lenses -------------------------------
Sony 11-18mm F4.5-5.6 DT = RM20xx Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 DT ZA = RM25xx Sony 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 DT = RM16xx Sony 18-250mm F3.5-6.3 DT = RM16xx Sony 30mm F2.8 DT SAM Macro = RM7xx (NEW) Sony 50mm F1.8 DT SAM = RM5xx Sigma 50-150mm F2.8 EX DC HSM Macro = RM30xx
New Full-Frame Lenses ---------------------------
Sony 16mm F2.8 Diagonal Fisheye = RM25xx Sony 20mm F2.8 = RM19xx Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-35mm F2.8 SSM ZA = RM54xx Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 24-70mm F2.8 SSM ZA = RM54xx Sony 24-105mm F3.5-4.5 = RM18xx Sony 28mm F2.8 = RM8xx Sony 28-75mm F2.8 SAM = RM26xx (NEW) Sony 35mm F1.4G = RM45xx Sony 50mm F1.4 = RM10xx Sony 50mm F2.8 Macro = RM14xx Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 Macro = RM30xx Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG HSM Macro = RM38xx Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM = RM54xx Sony 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G SSM = RM25xx Sony 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM = RM54xx Sony Carl Zeiss Planar T* 85mm F1.4 ZA = RM50xx Sony 100mm F2.8 Macro = RM23xx Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 135mm F1.8 ZA = RM48xx Sony 135mm F2.8/T4.5 Smooth Transition Focus = RM36xx Sony 500mm F8.0 AF Reflex = RM25xx Sony 300mm F2.8G SSM = RM20xxx Sony 1.4x Teleconverter = RM15xx Sony 2.0x Teleconverter = RM15xx Sony LA-EA1 lens adapter = RM5xx Sony VCL-ECF1 fisheye adapter = RM3xx
This post has been edited by amadeo: Jul 28 2010, 07:16 AM
guys...for those who shoot in studio often..do u think that studio lighting stuff are harder to use compared to flashes??
i had totally no experience with studio strobes b4..but might need to do some product shoot in studio soon....and since i cant possibly get familiarize with those strobes at home first.....im afraid that i get kelam kabut during the actual shoot..lol
Yeah the 85mm F2.8 SAM is unsuspectingly small. It's the perfect focal length for concerts especially paired to a NEX, when you can't sneak telephoto lenses past guards!
Kul | Mo0: While they appear to be from the same shell, they have a bigger filter thread (55mm).
signither: Usually UK and US prices will match so if it's 1100 Pounds, then it's USD 1100. However I guess they're waiting as the currency is a bit weird right now. If it was USD 1100 though, based on the old calculations it would be RM3850 retail price, or around RM3300 street price. AMAZING if that does happen!
I didn't publicize the TT though (it was more like a pre-visualization and briefing) as when there are too many people shooting video around the stage we tend to get in each other's line of sight and disturb the performance for others.
porkchop: Er, the 35mm is meant to feel like the FF 50mm.
zstan: With a massive improvement on MFD!
Nikkor AF-S 35mm F1.8G DX = 30cm MFD, 1:6.25x maximum magnification Nikkor AF-D 35mm F2.0 = 25cm MFD, 1:4.2x maximum magnification Sony 35mm F1.8 DT SAM = 23cm MFD, 1:4x maximum magnification
cjlai: I'm sure you know that the number of blades has little to do with the bokeh. The odd-numbered blades help to prevent symmetry in out-of-focus areas though.
zhengling: Eh, I've seen this case in Sony Style The Curve I think.
amadeo, thanks! Though for consistency I would suggest this format:
Sony A230 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM14xx Sony A290 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM14xx Sony A330 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM18xx Sony A380 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM20xx Sony A380 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT SAM = RM24xx Sony A390 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM17xx Sony A700 + 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT = RM33xx Sony A550 body only = RM21xx Sony A500 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT SAM = RM31xx Sony A550 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM24xx Sony A550 + 18-250mm F3.5-6.3 DT = RM40xx Sony A850 body only = RM61xx Sony A900 body only = RM73xx (Studio Zaloon) Sony NEX-3 + 16mm F2.8 = RM16xx Sony NEX-3 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM18xx Sony NEX-3 + 16mm F2.8 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM22xx Sony NEX-5 + 16mm F2.8 = RM21xx Sony NEX-5 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM22xx Sony NEX-5 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS + 4GB MSPD = RM23xx
The following suffixes identify what lens comes with the camera body:
G = Sony 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 DT K = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT L = Sony 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM P = Sony 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 DT Q = Sony 28-75mm F2.8 SAM W = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT + Sony 75-300mm F4.5-5.6 X = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT + Sony 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT Y = Sony 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + Sony 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT (2) SAM Z = Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 DT ZA
For Sony NEX bodies:
A = Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake D = Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake + Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS H = Sony E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 Active OSS K = Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS
signither: Usually UK and US prices will match so if it's 1100 Pounds, then it's USD 1100. However I guess they're waiting as the currency is a bit weird right now. If it was USD 1100 though, based on the old calculations it would be RM3850 retail price, or around RM3300 street price. AMAZING if that does happen!
I didn't publicize the TT though (it was more like a pre-visualization and briefing) as when there are too many people shooting video around the stage we tend to get in each other's line of sight and disturb the performance for others.
i think it's a good price for a prime lens with Zeiss glass and SSM, if and only if it sells for less than RM3500. it might as well be in my wish list
wow... just 1 night away from my com n it's v44?? i smell a lot of primes.... haha... may b shud touch some of them such as SP90 and 85mm. haha.... who wanna pinjam? or... when got TT??
ello sig! sorry albert i couldnt make it earlier... was caught up wit some work... will join ya guys some time soon la... really wanna check out the nex...
IF the Zeiss 24mm f2 is really around RM 3k then I'm definitely saving up for it!
Else the 85mm f2.8 is also tempting. If that one is sub RM 1k then I'm definitely getting one. Poor man's portrait prime... LOL.. I'm not fisherman so will have to do ler.
Can't wait to see what the 85mm IQ is like. Heard that it's sharp. Hope that's true. Too bad it's SAM. I'd have preferred it to be screw drive but then beggars can't be choosers, no?
I am planning to get NEX-5 with 1855 kit lens, and it is mentioned above that the price is between 22xx-23xx. I wonder which shop exactly offer this price? I have shopping around, the cheapest I can get is RM2490. Cheers!
The 20mm is fine but I feel that the 24mm hits more of the sweet spot with me. Plus the 20mm has serious distortions around the corners. I have always wanted a 24mm prime but it's kinda hard to find a Minolta 24mm so I settled for a 20mm prime.
When you don't need to correct for distortion or crop so much, it makes for way faster PP time.
If the 24mm Zeiss price is right, it's bye-bye 20mm and helloooo Zeiss!!! But that's at least another year away lar..
just got my convo pics.. as expected..the photo produced not up to my noob standard..
basic framing & composition out..pics a bit tad not sharp..so expensive some more..forked out another rm30 for the soft copy..
as for the candid pics..some pictures are blurry..OOF..got obvious red eye..they also dare print out and put in the album to let the graduates choose..
Added on July 28, 2010, 12:18 pmwtfffffffffffffffffffffff...
RM30 for ONE PICTURE in softcopy?!!!!!!!!!! these people are con-mans lar.
This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 28 2010, 12:18 PM
just got my convo pics.. as expected..the photo produced not up to my noob standard..
basic framing & composition out..pics a bit tad not sharp..so expensive some more..forked out another rm30 for the soft copy..
as for the candid pics..some pictures are blurry..OOF..got obvious red eye..they also dare print out and put in the album to let the graduates choose..
Added on July 28, 2010, 12:18 pmwtfffffffffffffffffffffff...
RM30 for ONE PICTURE in softcopy?!!!!!!!!!! these people are con-mans lar.
Show us how badly the photos are lo. And who is he. If by basic common sense and lousy shots by a "con man", means you get conned too easily lo? He never force you to buy also. Lol.
just got my convo pics.. as expected..the photo produced not up to my noob standard..
basic framing & composition out..pics a bit tad not sharp..so expensive some more..forked out another rm30 for the soft copy..
as for the candid pics..some pictures are blurry..OOF..got obvious red eye..they also dare print out and put in the album to let the graduates choose..
Added on July 28, 2010, 12:18 pmwtfffffffffffffffffffffff...
RM30 for ONE PICTURE in softcopy?!!!!!!!!!! these people are con-mans lar.
let me guess, the official photographer is some shop name "Photo Graduate" or what, forgotten their name but is based in shah alam. my convo photo from them, real crap, as what u experience, framing & composition out, photos focus at background instead of the subject with harsh flash, candids mostly are just some random meaningless shots. Complained so much when i went over to take the photo, somemore dare to ask if i wanted to frame it. Too bad paid for it
you mean u pay 1st before knowing how is the outcome of the shots? the last time my convo, they took the shots, then printed them out in 4R size and pasted EVERYTHING on a long wall for us to choose. if we want, then we copy down the serial number, then go to counter to tell them u want those copies. else, you dont have to pay anything, even those on the stage where you walk to get the scroll from chancellor also u can choose what size you want. i think mine was YL.
what u mean nowadays? 2008 only ma... i think this way, even if their work sucks, then its too bad for the buyer la.. like it or not, you're stuck with it
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 01:56 PM)
what u mean nowadays? 2008 only ma... i think this way, even if their work sucks, then its too bad for the buyer la.. like it or not, you're stuck with it
what u mean nowadays? 2008 only ma... i think this way, even if their work sucks, then its too bad for the buyer la.. like it or not, you're stuck with it
yeah...
my GF graduated from UiTM recently.. and the photographs we're quite bad IMO..
my friend from UM however, his picture was actually very good...
let me guess, the official photographer is some shop name "Photo Graduate" or what, forgotten their name but is based in shah alam. my convo photo from them, real crap, as what u experience, framing & composition out, photos focus at background instead of the subject with harsh flash, candids mostly are just some random meaningless shots. Complained so much when i went over to take the photo, somemore dare to ask if i wanted to frame it. Too bad paid for it
mine was Foto Prime. from KL. konnonya got Malaysia of Book records awards some more. yes! ur words are all true! the shots all like PnS. harsh lit subjects with dark dark background. apparently they dunno how to use high iso, or their cheap bodies can't produce noiseless pics at high ISO?
i paid rm200. other students rm270? about 1700 graduates. that's about 450K!! can't those idiots get D3s/a900/5D mark 2/1ds mark 3 with super lenses instead of entry level bodies with cheapo kit lens and take our pictures??! okla to be fair.. i saw ONE guy with a 5DM2 with 24-70 L. the rest..... again, to be fair, i know most of you here can get beautiful pictures with kit lens as well, but they totally fail la.
i didn't frame my photo though..thank goodness this is my alevel convo only..hope my degree convo won't screw up..
QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 01:34 PM)
you mean u pay 1st before knowing how is the outcome of the shots? the last time my convo, they took the shots, then printed them out in 4R size and pasted EVERYTHING on a long wall for us to choose. if we want, then we copy down the serial number, then go to counter to tell them u want those copies. else, you dont have to pay anything, even those on the stage where you walk to get the scroll from chancellor also u can choose what size you want. i think mine was YL.
for the candid shots, yes you pay later. but for the group shots, the shots where u shake hand with chancellor while receiving scroll, have to pay first.
YL is good la
This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 28 2010, 02:11 PM
I think during the convocation ceremony the spot where you get the scroll from Chancellor is limited to the cermony photographer (not open for all) this way they force us to pay whether you want it or not.
For me just pay it to make my mom happy and don't know where it is now.Unless you're going to print it A12 and put it in your living room then its going to be a problem la
touch ups and red eye removal, where got time to do, they need to churn out the photos within 2-3 hours for THOUSANDS of graduates. touch up, i cant say anything la, but red eye, those can be avoided with properly placed lights
Foto Prime? HAHAHAHA another person complaining. That doesnt make you alone zstan.
Previously they didnt even remove the red eye on the photos, not even touch up the face. #FAIL!
fuuuuu laa...then make us go alllllll the way to their freaking isolated shop to collect the photos some more..so that they can 'persuade' us to buy more photos since we are already in their shop.. last time all done at the uni itself including the returning of gowns..
i flipped all the candid photos. they didn't even touch up one bloody photo ok?? OOF and red eye and students with weird looking poses and faces they also dare to publish.
touch ups and red eye removal, where got time to do, they need to churn out the photos within 2-3 hours for THOUSANDS of graduates. touch up, i cant say anything la, but red eye, those can be avoided with properly placed lights
if they charge rm50 per person, then i keep quiet lor.
but this company charge rm200-rm270, got what Malaysia book of Awards, got ISO 9001:2008, UKAS Quality management, since 1983 some more..
and u get crappy shots... i think i have all the right to make my point gua?
Owh then i get the format all wrong la some of the houses i visit like to hang it like it matters. Probably the folks like to show off
what i know about standard paper sizes are that they go the other way around where A0 being the largest, half of it is A1, half of A1 is A2 and so on...
if i have a great piece of photo that really stands out, i also would like to print one out on canvas and hang it. but so far still none that suits my taste, still working on it
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 28 2010, 02:27 PM
what i know about standard paper sizes are that they go the other way around where A0 being the largest, half of it is A1, half of A1 is A2 and so on...
zstan: they dun use umbrella or softbox eh? last time when me graduate. they use that. thank god all pic are awsume n they use film yo.. just my pimples that time make my pic turnout a bit lol.
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 02:14 PM)
touch ups and red eye removal, where got time to do, they need to churn out the photos within 2-3 hours for THOUSANDS of graduates. touch up, i cant say anything la, but red eye, those can be avoided with properly placed lights
They only print it after 1 month plus. Then either courier it/self collect
zstan: they dun use umbrella or softbox eh? last time when me graduate. they use that. thank god all pic are awsume n they use film yo.. just my pimples that time make my pic turnout a bit lol.
nope. for the stage shot just normal flash gun. with f5.6 and high iso.iso 640 for my shot. make the gown look damn noisy.
for the group photo of 900 graduates, they used one err..i dunno the correct term.. its a light bulb which can act like a flash. quite small also.
Added on July 28, 2010, 2:32 pm
QUOTE(cassplayer @ Jul 28 2010, 02:31 PM)
They only print it after 1 month plus. Then either courier it/self collect
mine just 3 days then can go collect d.
i guess this is the only good part.
This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 28 2010, 02:32 PM
Cassplayer, pp la if u say the hardcopy is that bad. I pp my own convo studio pics.. Hehe
Added on July 28, 2010, 3:56 pmi specifically asked for the RAW file when i went asked fo quotation for studio pics. If they dont give, i'll straight away walk out. Some studios dont want give the softcopy one, or they charge crazy expensive for it. Mine, softcopy, pay extra RM15 only. All RAW files complete in CD.
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 28 2010, 03:56 PM
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This post has been edited by kennyohngu: Jul 28 2010, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 03:52 PM)
zstan, yea, show it tonight..
Cassplayer, pp la if u say the hardcopy is that bad. I pp my own convo studio pics.. Hehe
Added on July 28, 2010, 3:56 pmi specifically asked for the RAW file when i went asked fo quotation for studio pics. If they dont give, i'll straight away walk out. Some studios dont want give the softcopy one, or they charge crazy expensive for it. Mine, softcopy, pay extra RM15 only. All RAW files complete in CD.
I PP'ed my family portrait in the soft copy. Hard copy they PP already, but soft copy remain original. So much to do
Cassplayer, pp la if u say the hardcopy is that bad. I pp my own convo studio pics.. Hehe
Added on July 28, 2010, 3:56 pmi specifically asked for the RAW file when i went asked fo quotation for studio pics. If they dont give, i'll straight away walk out. Some studios dont want give the softcopy one, or they charge crazy expensive for it. Mine, softcopy, pay extra RM15 only. All RAW files complete in CD.
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zstan: wahhh so much money involve, next year i fast put in proposal to take the project, i can even hire 5 people and lent them A7xx from here to do the job.
This post has been edited by ieR: Jul 28 2010, 06:19 PM
ok, the pic does show quite a bit of flaw. firstly and MAINLY.. is that why the heck did they crop away the word 'ceremony'. it looked much more complete with that word intact.
they cropped away the tip of the logo and did a bad job cloning away the drape at the top of the frame. i can see 'clone stains' as i like to call it. graduate being in the middle of the frame is correct, but cropping into the graduate's shoes is not. finally, color is made very unnatural, although overall color luminosity has increased.
Added on July 28, 2010, 7:45 pmMo0, OMG its sigma 24-70 HSM wehhhh... damn cheap.... NO MONEYYYYYYY T.T
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 28 2010, 07:45 PM
cass, hahha, 850 out ages ago, now only u asking for review? a bit on the slow side edi lor... u can ask shootkk, achew, albnok 900, signither (ex) and kysham.
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 28 2010, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 07:57 PM)
cass, hahha, 850 out ages ago, now only u asking for review? a bit on the slow side edi lor... u can ask shootkk, achew, albnok, signither (ex) and kysham.
Just looking at it, since I see everyone buy a850 like it's a super cheap thing
cass, hahha, 850 out ages ago, now only u asking for review? a bit on the slow side edi lor... u can ask shootkk, achew, albnok, signither (ex) and kysham.
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This post has been edited by kevinwcw: Jul 28 2010, 08:03 PM
Lol, the original picture FAIL wei Can see specs reflection cannot see your eyes properly.
And the noise, I salute lah
ahahhaa.. not i defame them right? really terrible
QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 07:44 PM)
ok, the pic does show quite a bit of flaw. firstly and MAINLY.. is that why the heck did they crop away the word 'ceremony'. it looked much more complete with that word intact.
they cropped away the tip of the logo and did a bad job cloning away the drape at the top of the frame. i can see 'clone stains' as i like to call it. graduate being in the middle of the frame is correct, but cropping into the graduate's shoes is not. finally, color is made very unnatural, although overall color luminosity has increased.
Added on July 28, 2010, 7:45 pmMo0, OMG its sigma 24-70 HSM wehhhh... damn cheap.... NO MONEYYYYYYY T.T
i think the clone stains came from my dirty scanner.. i dun think they even bothered to do cloning.. my guess was..the pic is cropped and auto levels/colours...ahh well..what is done is done..
QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 07:49 PM)
nothing to do with bunga...
this is done in 1 minute inclusive of upload time, WHILE i was talking on the phone
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can be my photographer for my degree in 4 years time?
no errrr.... technically if convert 28mm on APS-C to 35mm format its equivalent to 42mm. what i meant to say the 50mm on FF is not to say wider but better than my 28mm on APS-C...probably becoz of the view percentage.
no errrr.... technically if convert 28mm on APS-C to 35mm format its equivalent to 42mm. what i meant to say the 50mm on FF is not to say wider but better than my 28mm on APS-C...probably becoz of the view percentage.
because 50mm is near as wad our eyes see if on FF...just like 35mm on apsc...
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Hi, I am a total newbie when it comes to DSLR, just came across the NEX series recently and really interested in it, so I wanna ask all the pros here whether it's a good camera and what are the pros and cons, sufficient for an entry level? And I saw the price list posted on the 1st page, where can I get those prices cause I thought cameras are all fixed price just diff goodies..
no errrr.... technically if convert 28mm on APS-C to 35mm format its equivalent to 42mm. what i meant to say the 50mm on FF is not to say wider but better than my 28mm on APS-C...probably becoz of the view percentage.
view % on the OVF does not effect the image output, the output will still be the same. its when you look through the viewfinder, then with the 98% on the A850, you wont be able to see 2% from the edges of the entire captured image only. whereas for the A900, what you see in the OVF is what you capture. so, having how many mm lens in front of either Sony FF does not contribute to the image difference. and 2% is totally negligible IMO.
but i know what you meant in the 28mm to 42mm issue, i know u understand the concept, just the sentence was terbalik only.. haha, i was pulling your leg there bro..
Hi, I am a total newbie when it comes to DSLR, just came across the NEX series recently and really interested in it, so I wanna ask all the pros here whether it's a good camera and what are the pros and cons, sufficient for an entry level? And I saw the price list posted on the 1st page, where can I get those prices cause I thought cameras are all fixed price just diff goodies..
yea its a very very good camera for that size. cons a...well it could be cheaper.
u can get those prices at any camera shop selling sony goods...
only those that u buy from sony style are fixed price...
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 28 2010, 09:11 PM)
yea its a very very good camera for that size. cons a...well it could be cheaper.
u can get those prices at any camera shop selling sony goods...
only those that u buy from sony style are fixed price...
I planning to get the NEX-3, since NEX-5 only offers better video in which 720P in NEX-3 is already sufficient I think... Is there any difference though getting at other shops? Do they offer freebies like Sony Stylez does?
So it's better to get the 18-55mm instead of 16mm right?
I planning to get the NEX-3, since NEX-5 only offers better video in which 720P in NEX-3 is already sufficient I think... Is there any difference though getting at other shops? Do they offer freebies like Sony Stylez does?
So it's better to get the 18-55mm instead of 16mm right?
why not u do a survey and tell us? don't pay too much attention for the freebies though..compare the price of the lens and body is more important..
hmmm..for beginners i would suggest the 18-55mm to get a feel of zoom lens la..although 16mm is a very good choice too. having said that, 2 also buy la!!!
New Sony DSLR lenses previewed - Sony 85mm f/2.8 SAM (SAL85F28) by Damien Demolder
This really does not look or feel like a full frame lens. It weighs 175g and has a plastic barrel and a plastic mount. I had to try it on the A900 just to make sure it wasn't designed just for APS-C. When on the camera it makes so little difference to the over all weight that you might need to constantly check you have a lens attached at all. Built to a Sonnar-style design it features just six elements in five groups, and uses Sony's SAM (Smooth Autofocus Motor) to drive the AF.
To be honest I didn't expect it to be much good. It feels like a cheap kit lens, and a maximum aperture of f/2.8 – slow for this focal length – suggests some stopping-down to mask optical problems. The 85mm portrait lens is still very much in fashion, but most feature an aperture wider than f/2 – f/1.2 being the ultimate and f/1.8 the norm. F/2.8 seems somewhat staid in comparison.
In use it actually performs very well. The unit I was using was not completely finished, but it didn't show. The AF is quick and the pictures are sharp. Although f/2.8 doesn't allow the low-light working that wider apertures do, it is still respectable, and in fact most ultra-wide aperture 85mm lenses do not perform at their best wide open. In practical terms too, for a headshot f/1.4 presents depth of field a little too shallow - except for showing off shallow depth of field.
Working wide-open and at a distance of just a few feet, I found depth of field just about shallow enough without feeling I wanted to open the aperture any more. A diffused desk lamp allowed a hand-hold-able shutter speed of 1/50sec at ISO 1600 – so I didn't feel deprived at all.
The resulting images are sharp and crisp, with attractive out of focus areas. In all, I am very pleased with the results.
Sony has yet to announce a price for this lens, but a spokesperson has indicated to me that we should expect it to cost in the region of £175. To be frank, in the hand the lens feels like a £175 lens, but the results demonstrate that it really will be excellent value for money. The existing 85mm option for Sony users is the Carl Zeiss T* 85mm f/1.4 ZA (SAL85F14Z), which will set you back a more full-frame-price of £1200.
mainly, i think on what you are questioning is that the 16mm is basically wider (mm difference shows more on the wide end than on the tele end), the 16mm is a few stops faster, thus making it possible to be used in low light handheld. its a pancake lens, where it is small enough to be considered as a PnS (not doable with the 18-55)
New Sony DSLR lenses previewed - Sony 85mm f/2.8 SAM (SAL85F28) by Damien Demolder
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This really does not look or feel like a full frame lens. It weighs 175g and has a plastic barrel and a plastic mount. I had to try it on the A900 just to make sure it wasn't designed just for APS-C. When on the camera it makes so little difference to the over all weight that you might need to constantly check you have a lens attached at all. Built to a Sonnar-style design it features just six elements in five groups, and uses Sony's SAM (Smooth Autofocus Motor) to drive the AF.
To be honest I didn't expect it to be much good. It feels like a cheap kit lens, and a maximum aperture of f/2.8 – slow for this focal length – suggests some stopping-down to mask optical problems. The 85mm portrait lens is still very much in fashion, but most feature an aperture wider than f/2 – f/1.2 being the ultimate and f/1.8 the norm. F/2.8 seems somewhat staid in comparison.
In use it actually performs very well. The unit I was using was not completely finished, but it didn't show. The AF is quick and the pictures are sharp. Although f/2.8 doesn't allow the low-light working that wider apertures do, it is still respectable, and in fact most ultra-wide aperture 85mm lenses do not perform at their best wide open. In practical terms too, for a headshot f/1.4 presents depth of field a little too shallow - except for showing off shallow depth of field.
Working wide-open and at a distance of just a few feet, I found depth of field just about shallow enough without feeling I wanted to open the aperture any more. A diffused desk lamp allowed a hand-hold-able shutter speed of 1/50sec at ISO 1600 – so I didn't feel deprived at all.
The resulting images are sharp and crisp, with attractive out of focus areas. In all, I am very pleased with the results.
Sony has yet to announce a price for this lens, but a spokesperson has indicated to me that we should expect it to cost in the region of £175. To be frank, in the hand the lens feels like a £175 lens, but the results demonstrate that it really will be excellent value for money. The existing 85mm option for Sony users is the Carl Zeiss T* 85mm f/1.4 ZA (SAL85F14Z), which will set you back a more full-frame-price of £1200.
The new lens is due to go on sale in September.
more poisons
Too bad it is F2.8 but if the price is very freaking cheap then it would be great
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Even when I got the 50mm 1.4, I shot at F4, F5.6 & F7.1 most of the time
Need to be sharp when shooting artistes, I only used 1.4 if I confirm he's not moving for a short time/when his background has nice lights/bokeh-able things
its the fact that you know that you HAVE a f/1.4 at the scroll of a dial that is poisoning, doesnt matter if u even use it or not. but to justify the fact that the Zeiss costs 2 of my A700 with grip, compared to a (nearly) pocketable lens with the sacrifice of a couple of stops at a tiny fraction of the cost, now THAT's alluring.. i even have to think again whether to get the sp90 or not, coz the SP would have a longer focus throw and bigger size - then again, the sp90 is undoubtedly sharp and is a 1:1 magnification...
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QUOTE(cassplayer @ Jul 28 2010, 09:56 PM)
Even when I got the 50mm 1.4, I shot at F4, F5.6 & F7.1 most of the time
Need to be sharp when shooting artistes, I only used 1.4 if I confirm he's not moving for a short time/when his background has nice lights/bokeh-able things
but isnt that a contradiction? you're supposed to use a bigger aperture to so that you can get a faster shutter speed to freeze the movement. if i have a 1.4, i'd use 1.8/2.0 range all the time... now with my 1.7, i need to use 2.8 range to avoid softness
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 28 2010, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 10:01 PM)
its the fact that you know that you HAVE a f/1.4 at the scroll of a dial that is poisoning, doesnt matter if u even use it or not. but to justify the fact that the Zeiss costs 2 of my A700 with grip, compared to a (nearly) pocketable lens with the sacrifice of a couple of stops at a tiny fraction of the cost, now THAT's alluring.. i even have to think again whether to get the sp90 or not, coz the SP would have a longer focus throw and bigger size - then again, the sp90 is undoubtedly sharp and is a 1:1 magnification...
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but isnt that a contradiction? you're supposed to use a bigger aperture to so that you can get a faster shutter speed to freeze the movement. if i have a 1.4, i'd use 1.8/2.0 range all the time... now with my 1.7, i need to use 2.8 range to avoid softness
But in dark conditions, usually my flash is on. Shot using 1.4 in The Opera
But when I set 1.4, I just use pop up flash, much nicer after some R&D
When I shoot 4/5.6/7.1, it's either bright during the press conference, or when he's a distance away/on the stage dancing fast moves, I use my flashgun to keep the image sharp while properly exposed.
Editted my sentence, so it's not so confusing
This post has been edited by cassplayer: Jul 28 2010, 10:17 PM
other than no liveview..basically i have totally no complain at all..
also take note its a lil bit heavy..for me its okay..but not everyone like to carry it whole day tho....everytime i pass my camera to my friend..the first thing is always "wtf! y so heavy! "
so the price on 85mm SAM is critical, if its the same price range as the Third Party 90mm~105mm range(mostly macro) then it is very hard to competitive against each other unless it focus much faster and has decent sharpness at F2.8 without stop down (as what Sony 100mm and 50mm does)
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QUOTE(achew @ Jul 28 2010, 10:17 PM)
other than no liveview..basically i have totally no complain at all..
also take note its a lil bit heavy..for me its okay..but not everyone like to carry it whole day tho....everytime i pass my camera to my friend..the first thing is always "wtf! y so heavy! "
Weight shouldn't be a problem, but why is it heavier ah? Different body build? Magnesium? Or it's bigger than normal SLR's?
other than no liveview..basically i have totally no complain at all..
also take note its a lil bit heavy..for me its okay..but not everyone like to carry it whole day tho....everytime i pass my camera to my friend..the first thing is always "wtf! y so heavy! "
LOLed at "wtf! y so heavy! ", thats what we get all the time from non SLR users.
QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 28 2010, 10:19 PM)
i am sure the 85mm SAM focuses faster than the tamron sp90. no?
gawd, i hope so.. since its not a 1:1 macro..
add on: the price looks very delicious... provided the focusing is fast (lets all hope so), the quoted price of £200 is RM1200+/- with the currency now. which is sure to be lower seeing that price is direct sony pricing. the link earlier states that it could hover around £175, which is basically around RM870... NEW..
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 28 2010, 10:40 PM
other than no liveview..basically i have totally no complain at all..
also take note its a lil bit heavy..for me its okay..but not everyone like to carry it whole day tho....everytime i pass my camera to my friend..the first thing is always "wtf! y so heavy! "
u throw them NEX with 18-55 also they will say heavy one la.
ok la..to me..i wont sacrifice quality in exchange for few hundred grams lighter....mean time can take it as exercise ma..lol....not as if we would have to carry it 10hours everyday..once in awhile only should be fine i guess.....
ok la..to me..i wont sacrifice quality in exchange for few hundred grams lighter....mean time can take it as exercise ma..lol....not as if we would have to carry it 10hours everyday..once in awhile only should be fine i guess.....
i totally agree with you!!!
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if i am earning sing dollars at the moment.
Added on July 28, 2010, 10:58 pm
QUOTE(ianho @ Jul 28 2010, 10:56 PM)
Sony where got advertise n specify the A900 n A850 as weather proof?????
oops. the link i got my source from seems broken one. my bad.
This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 28 2010, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 28 2010, 10:55 PM)
ieR, then again, those 2 are true macro lenses. the SAL85F28 isnt...
ah? blur...
sal85 wont be as expensive as sal100M (check) sal85 'could' be more expensive because sony lens memang more expensive then 3rd party. LOL. i wont be suprise that SAL85 would be more expensive then SP90, even tht SP90 is 1:1 macro lens, in the end, people would pick SP90 then 85 reason is not good enough to beat that size of 85!, FUUUYOOO, then there is reason for ppl to decide which to get. (btw, SP90 if FF)
lol... what i meant was... yes, i agree with u that the SAL100M will be the most expensive among the 3. but im estimating that the 85 will be around the price of SP90 because the 85 is only a standard lens, while the SP90 is a purpose built true macro lens, that's where my point lies.. if given the choice of 90mm with macro and 85mm without macro, but the 85mm is much more expensive, im guessing majority would go for the SP90.
generally, correct me if i am wrong, macro lenses have much slower AF speed.
but that again, if your main purpose is to only shoot still moving portraits and nothing more(apart from macro), i guess the sp90 is a better deal, no?
lol... what i meant was... yes, i agree with u that the SAL100M will be the most expensive among the 3. but im estimating that the 85 will be around the price of SP90 because the 85 is only a standard lens, while the SP90 is a purpose built true macro lens, that's where my point lies.. if given the choice of 90mm with macro and 85mm without macro, but the 85mm is much more expensive, im guessing majority would go for the SP90.
overall as the price stated 250 Euro =(estimate RM1000++) so is in between 50mm F1.8 and 100mm Macro? but here comes some question
from the comment from the sonyalpharumor what does people complaint that this lens has only 5 elements/4 groups?
overall as the price stated 250 Euro =(estimate RM1000++) so is in between 50mm F1.8 and 100mm Macro? but here comes some question
from the comment from the sonyalpharumor what does people complaint that this lens has only 5 elements/4 groups?
i dont quite get you, why are you using one of sony's least expensive lens to do the comparison of price? plus, the 50 1.8 is a DT lens to begin with.
usually, the more elements/groups there is in a lens, the better it is in handling optical related issues such as abberation, distortion and to a certain extent, the production of bokeh.
overall as the price stated 250 Euro =(estimate RM1000++) so is in between 50mm F1.8 and 100mm Macro? but here comes some question
from the comment from the sonyalpharumor what does people complaint that this lens has only 5 elements/4 groups?
like bro albert said, during a850 launch, the price is the same for euro and usd. so maybe, this time it will be 250 usd as well for it, so it's gonna be around rm800 only RRP. so street price might be cheaper.
i tot a700/a850/a900 all got weather proof?...i saw a commercial video of a700 by korea do shows tat a700 is weather proof...xD
its not officially advertised as weather proof.. but to me..what are the chances that u'd bring your camera to shoot in heavy rain/snow/desert even sony tells u that its weather sealed....?? ppl can brag about their weather proof gears all the time..but seriously i don see us make use of it often..at least not for hobbyist like me..
but i doubt that they make a huge percentage of users..
and u wont go
"PFFTT.. that camera sucks coz its not weatherproof..."
Stop writing nonsense ya. No1 is saying it's a lousy camera. We're merely discussing it coz sum1 asked about it earlier on. Don't be childish n start ranting like a fanboy.
weatherproof or not.. its not THAT big of a deal right?
well, it IS a peace of mind knowing that your gears wont malfunction due to environmental causes. plus, as ianho said, and i do agree, that seeing the price of CZ is comparable in price with L lenses, but L lenses do come standard weather sealed, but none of the CZ is. they should improve on that.
Stop writing nonsense ya. No1 is saying it's a lousy camera. We're merely discussing it coz sum1 asked about it earlier on. Don't be childish n start ranting like a fanboy.
i didnt even imply that anyone is saying that its a lousy camera. i didnt even made any reference to any camera as a matter of fact. im not even ranting. perhaps you misinterpreted the tone of my statement. im simply implying that the lack of weatherproof feature is not such a huge turn off.
mike, well, its a matter of choice and usage. those who use their cameras to put bread on their table certainly need weather proofing. its there that sony is losing out in the pro market. sports, wildlife and reportage all need weather proofed gears. so to them, it IS a turn off
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guys, bout weather proof thingie. lets sum it up
It's Protected from Dust and Moisture. it Does Not Mean its Weather Proof. Period.
and YES, it will mean a lot to some people working in harsh environment.
i think Sony higher end lenses might not have all weather sealing, but i believe they are Built to Withstand a Certain Amount of Environment Condition. maybe its just people misunderstand when ianho keep mentioning its not weather proof, making people think its fully vulnerable to everything. somehow, it does has some sealing to protect place where it moves (buttons etc) although its not JIS certified, it doesnt mean the weather sealing has no weather proof capability. The Luminous Landscape seem to think its sealing is good. there is no proof or case study of how good the sealing of Alpha, nor there is any to proof of how bad it is
This post has been edited by ieR: Jul 29 2010, 03:45 AM
guys,how much does it cost to clean fungus in lens...???depend on severity...???someone selling 35-105 for a darn good price....
At International around RM 120-150, depends on severity + lens
Eh I need to borrow A550 or A700 la for my convo, anyone want to lend their camera ? Of course I will pay, let me know the price, cheap2 la maybe for 5-6 days, need to get used to it 1st
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Jul 29 2010, 01:29 AM)
Camera Sony DSLR-A700 Exposure 0.025 sec (1/40) Aperture f/16.0 Focal Length 75 mm ISO Speed 100 Exposure Bias 0 EV Flash Off, Did not fire
Camera Sony DSLR-A700 Exposure 0.025 sec (1/40) Aperture f/20.0 Focal Length 135 mm ISO Speed 100 Exposure Bias +0.3 EV Flash Off, Did not fire
superb panning, no editing summore
This post has been edited by gizmo_pony: Jul 29 2010, 07:10 AM
MF eh lwliam? nice.. but i thought the car should @ right side towards the empty spaces.. now the car like want to go out of field only..
i never had a chance to get that kinda shot ler..
AF, but using MF is possible.
placing of the subject conveys different meanings. the 'right side' rule is only a guide, and it is not necessary to stick to it. when i put it like this, it conveys MORE speed, as though its so fast, it travels OUT of the frame trailing everything behind.
Added on July 29, 2010, 9:34 am
QUOTE(ahpingko @ Jul 29 2010, 08:57 AM)
damn nice le..how u take 1??....can teach some technique?.. ...what lens is that...so clear!
beercan.. But look at the Exif, it can be done with any type of tele lens..
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 29 2010, 09:53 AM
yea, pretty close. Had full access to all tracks. Was at turn 2 and at the turn right before entering the straight towards the hairpin.
Turn 1 n 2 oso I'm using 300-400mm oredi. But I've never tried the last hairpin entering main straight. Lazy to go so far. Mebe I try that last hairpin at the coming Moto GP. Wanna try some up close UWA shots of them entering the hairpin.
16-80CZ is cheapo? if really that model comes out it would be the best in its range i think. *dreamss* (hopefully it will be cheaper than canon's 17-55 f2.8 )
no FF for me for the next few years so that baby zeiss is premium~
cannot dream too big also. must dream those that is achievable
16-80CZ is cheapo? if really that model comes out it would be the best in its range i think. *dreamss* (hopefully it will be cheaper than canon's 17-55 f2.8 )
no FF for me for the next few years so that baby zeiss is premium~
cannot dream too big also. must dream those that is achievable
If mankind only dream of achievable things it's not called dreaming n we will still be living in caves lor. It's when man dream of going to the moon that we progress. Cave man would have said going to the moon is not achievable but some fella dreamed about it n mankind eventually did it. So, always dream BIG.
i hope the new lenses dun just stop att the 35mm,85mm and 24mm
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QUOTE(ianho @ Jul 29 2010, 11:23 AM)
If mankind only dream of achievable things it's not called dreaming n we will still be living in caves lor. It's when man dream of going to the moon that we progress. Cave man would have said going to the moon is not achievable but some fella dreamed about it n mankind eventually did it. So, always dream BIG.
you are right boss.
i will dream of the CZ 300mm f2.8 tonight.
This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 29 2010, 11:25 AM
i hope the new lenses dun just stop att the 35mm,85mm and 24mm
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you are right boss.
i will dream of the CZ 300mm f2.8 tonight.
actually tis time quite dissapointed at the sony new lens...the build quality is dropping..maybe they want to create a new range lens for cheaper price...due to low budget dslr keep on releasing...
actually tis time quite dissapointed at the sony new lens...the build quality is dropping..maybe they want to create a new range lens for cheaper price...due to low budget dslr keep on releasing...
have u read the reviews? although the build quality sucks but the image quality is still very good(for the 85mm).
waiting for the full review though.
like what sifu albnok said, now we can sneak a 85mm lens into a concert without much attention.
nola..i mean i wanted to get myself a present...but duno wan flash, lens or etc...just need some recommendation....recently i tried Sony SAL F1.4..not really damn sharp image..i wanted a super sharp image badly....><
QUOTE(ianho @ Jul 29 2010, 11:45 AM)
Coz u said u gonna jump ship wat. So who want to reply u?
nola..i mean i wanted to get myself a present...but duno wan flash, lens or etc...just need some recommendation....recently i tried Sony SAL F1.4..not really damn sharp image..i wanted a super sharp image badly....>< not yet jump la...just say say only..
50f14 quite sharp ler
This post has been edited by kevinwcw: Jul 29 2010, 11:54 AM
nola..i mean i wanted to get myself a present...but duno wan flash, lens or etc...just need some recommendation....recently i tried Sony SAL F1.4..not really damn sharp image..i wanted a super sharp image badly....>< not yet jump la...just say say only..
say say only? get the new 24mm CZ lo.
QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Jul 29 2010, 11:53 AM)
Well, you better not, else you'll join them jumping ship too.
many jumped ship a? ok maybe i will just go until V25.
tat's nothing to do with that...its depend on ur focus point, lighting and handshake issue
aiyo man..that one for sure lah...what i mean is the lens will never produce its best sharpness wide open, stop down little bit, then you can judge the sharpness....aiyak!
35-105 abit cropped on aps-c...??i dont get it...u mean not wide enuff izzit bro...???
yup..35mm at APS-C body you may find it not to wide for group photo for example. but you can always move a bit to fit your frame.
the MFD of this lens also if i'm not mistaken was a bit far (1.5m i think), but the picture quality is very sharp. and the macro mode was very useful. add raynox, then you can go for macro outing already!
price you can always refer to first page...tat is what i love sony forum the most..host always provide street price for most of the sony DSLR product..
yup..35mm at APS-C body you may find it not to wide for group photo for example. but you can always move a bit to fit your frame.
the MFD of this lens also if i'm not mistaken was a bit far (1.5m i think), but the picture quality is very sharp. and the macro mode was very useful. add raynox, then you can go for macro outing already!
ya la bro...the mfd abit turn down but this lens is useful for potrait also...just love the bokeh @ 105mm...
ya la bro...the mfd abit turn down but this lens is useful for potrait also...just love the bokeh @ 105mm...
once you get it, you wont regret..i tried few times (my friend punya!), bokeh and sharpness are very good. lucky i have another 'good' lens, if not i may find one.
hey guys, just wondering bout the new dslr NEX-3 and NEX-5, does it function like any other dslr? or are there disadvantages to its smaller size? want to venture into photography =D
hey guys, just wondering bout the new dslr NEX-3 and NEX-5, does it function like any other dslr? or are there disadvantages to its smaller size? want to venture into photography =D
Hi, just wanna ask, since this is sony alpha thread. Which of the Sony Alpha model are comparable to Nikon D90? I got RM3500-4000 to spend but wanna avoid Nikon like H1N1 because of their shitty after sales service here.
Hi, just wanna ask, since this is sony alpha thread. Which of the Sony Alpha model are comparable to Nikon D90? I got RM3500-4000 to spend but wanna avoid Nikon like H1N1 because of their shitty after sales service here.
u may get the a550 at RM21XX and maybe pair with a tamron 17-50 f2.8 and a HVL-F58AM flashgun?
then i suggest u go for it. market normally from rm450-650, depends on its condition...it just that you may found it abit cropped when using APS-C
Seller is offer me at RM570.
QUOTE(sonyx @ Jul 29 2010, 12:20 PM)
yup..35mm at APS-C body you may find it not to wide for group photo for example. but you can always move a bit to fit your frame.
the MFD of this lens also if i'm not mistaken was a bit far (1.5m i think), but the picture quality is very sharp. and the macro mode was very useful. add raynox, then you can go for macro outing already!
QUOTE(hazril @ Jul 29 2010, 12:29 PM)
ya la bro...the mfd abit turn down but this lens is useful for potrait also...just love the bokeh @ 105mm...
QUOTE(sonyx @ Jul 29 2010, 12:34 PM)
once you get it, you wont regret..i tried few times (my friend punya!), bokeh and sharpness are very good. lucky i have another 'good' lens, if not i may find one.
Get it.. Thx. Will go to grab it ... for my out door potrait.
QUOTE(ahpingko @ Jul 29 2010, 01:43 PM)
30mm is too low...i wan tamron sp90!!!... what is the price for a 2nd hand piece?
Brand new for SP90 is RM1350, 2nd hand is at RM950~RM1100 depand on condition.
Hi, just wanna ask, since this is sony alpha thread. Which of the Sony Alpha model are comparable to Nikon D90? I got RM3500-4000 to spend but wanna avoid Nikon like H1N1 because of their shitty after sales service here.
The A550 is more or less comparable to the Nikon D90. Only thing is the A550 has no video. The A700 is comparable to Nikon D300 ler... Now waiting for A7xx to see what suprises Sony has in store for us.
The 85mm f2.8 lens is looking real good. Hopefully the price is even better... hehehehehehe....
The A550 is more or less comparable to the Nikon D90. Only thing is the A550 has no video. The A700 is comparable to Nikon D300 ler... Now waiting for A7xx to see what suprises Sony has in store for us.
The 85mm f2.8 lens is looking real good. Hopefully the price is even better... hehehehehehe....
The announced price is cheaper than the Tamron SP90; (250Euro =RM1000++) and price in Asia should be much lower so is quite impressive "entry-level" FF portrait lens
while 35mm F1.8 is also cheaper as well (thus much cheaper than the Nikon 35mm DX?) (200Euro =RM830++)
The announced price is cheaper than the Tamron SP90; (250Euro =RM1000++) and price in Asia should be much lower so is quite impressive "entry-level" FF portrait lens
while 35mm F1.8 is also cheaper as well (thus much cheaper than the Nikon 35mm DX?) (200Euro =RM830++)
i think if the price nearly same or topup 2,3 hundred bucks, better take tamron... F2.8 kinda turn off abit somehow.. if 1.8, no need to think anything lol.. but that 35mm, i really need that.
This post has been edited by MechaHerc: Jul 29 2010, 02:57 PM
The announced price is cheaper than the Tamron SP90; (250Euro =RM1000++) and price in Asia should be much lower so is quite impressive "entry-level" FF portrait lens
while 35mm F1.8 is also cheaper as well (thus much cheaper than the Nikon 35mm DX?) (200Euro =RM830++)
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i think if the price nearly same or topup 2,3 hundred bucks, better take tamron... F2.8 kinda turn off abit somehow.. if 1.8, no need to think anything lol.. but that 35mm, i really need that.
ahpingko : The 85mm is not macro lens. It's just a normal lens. If the price comes to sub RM 1k then it's a bargain no matter which way you look at it.
Plus points:
- It's compact! You can slip in into your pocket! - It's f2.8 - not the brightest but heck at its price it's as good as it gets. - It's reported to perform well, even wide open.
Minus points:
- It's plastic so build quality is so-so. - Looks like an el-cheapo kit lens!
I'm looking forward to testing this lens when it hits the shops.
This post has been edited by shootkk: Jul 29 2010, 03:14 PM
ahpingko : The 85mm is not macro lens. It's just a normal lens. If the price comes to sub RM 1k then it's a bargain no matter which way you look at it.
Plus points:
- It's compact! You can slip in into your pocket! - It's f2.8 - not the brightest but heck at its price it's as good as it gets. - It's reported to perform well, even wide open.
Minus points:
- It's plastic so build quality is so-so. - Looks like an el-cheapo kit lens!
I'm looking forward to testing this lens when it hits the shops.
ic...now i m attracted to 30mm f2.8....anyone have it?....its macro capability how?..and for portraits/bokeh, is nice?
ahpingko : The 85mm is not macro lens. It's just a normal lens. If the price comes to sub RM 1k then it's a bargain no matter which way you look at it.
Plus points:
- It's compact! You can slip in into your pocket! - It's f2.8 - not the brightest but heck at its price it's as good as it gets. - It's reported to perform well, even wide open.
Minus points:
- It's plastic so build quality is so-so. - Looks like an el-cheapo kit lens!
I'm looking forward to testing this lens when it hits the shops.
is it THAT small?
This post has been edited by zstan: Jul 29 2010, 03:17 PM
zstan : It has a 55mm filter thread. how big can it get? From the pics you can see that it's almost the same size as the 35mm lens and I think you'll be hard pressed to tell it apart from the 50mm f1.8 from a distance.
Don't compare with NEX pancake lens lar of course... but it's still small for a 85mm lens.
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ahpingko : The 85mm is not macro lens. It's just a normal lens. If the price comes to sub RM 1k then it's a bargain no matter which way you look at it.
Plus points:
- It's compact! You can slip in into your pocket! - It's f2.8 - not the brightest but heck at its price it's as good as it gets. - It's reported to perform well, even wide open.
Minus points:
- It's plastic so build quality is so-so. - Looks like an el-cheapo kit lens!
I'm looking forward to testing this lens when it hits the shops.
you should learn more about macro shooting from different article first b4 you start asking which one to buy...macro wasn't tat easy to play...especially if you have handshaking issue ..sp90 or 100f28 macro wasnt tat easy for you to control..
finch!: I am liking your movie-like green processing.
Mikeshashimi: Eh? Hmmm I might've read somebody else saying 23 inches, my bad.
Now it would be nice if Sony would acknowledge the efforts and bring out their 500mm F4G SSM already! The Minolta 400mm F4.5G HS APO was a hidden gem, a lightweight telephoto (lightweight compared to similiar lenses in the same range.)
Zicron: The Minolta 600mm F4G HS APO looks different, more skinny and Star Trek-like.
zstan: Sounds like the salesgirl had a gentle face.
You could sue them for dissatisfactory results.
Uzumaki NaruTo: I sniped my sister's graduation from HELP with the Zeiss 135mm from a few rows back. Had to crop a bit, but it worked.
eugenechiuu: The 18-55mm is a lot better at closeups than the 16mm is. However when you're in a tight space, the 16mm will let you shoot a wider angle than the 18-55mm (e.g. your friend sitting right next to you.)
lwliam: Awesome pans, I like how streaked out the background is, compared to the regular sunny-day exposures.
This post has been edited by albnok: Jul 29 2010, 03:45 PM
you should learn more about macro shooting from different article first b4 you start asking which one to buy...macro wasn't tat easy to play...especially if you have handshaking issue ..sp90 or 100f28 macro wasnt tat easy for you to control..
i normally tripod to shoot for close up 1....just wanted to get a macro lens ma...Sony 30mm F2.8 is how?....
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finch!: I am liking your movie-like green processing.
Mikeshashimi: Eh? Hmmm I might've read somebody else saying 23 inches, my bad.
Now it would be nice if Sony would acknowledge the efforts and bring out their 500mm F4G SSM already! The Minolta 400mm F4.5G HS APO was a hidden gem, a lightweight telephoto (lightweight compared to similiar lenses in the same range.)
Zicron: The Minolta 600mm F4G HS APO looks different, more skinny and Star Trek-like.
zstan: Sounds like the salesgirl had a gentle face.
You could sue them for dissatisfactory results.
Uzumaki NaruTo: I sniped my sister's graduation from HELP with the Zeiss 135mm from a few rows back. Had to crop a bit, but it worked.
eugenechiuu: The 18-55mm is a lot better at closeups than the 16mm is. However when you're in a tight space, the 16mm will let you shoot a wider angle than the 18-55mm (e.g. your friend sitting right next to you.)
lwliam: Awesome pans, I like how streaked out the background is, compared to the regular sunny-day exposures.
Wau! Looks like the Zeiss, 85mm and 35mm is a lighter + stronger magnification combo
finch!: I am liking your movie-like green processing.
Mikeshashimi: Eh? Hmmm I might've read somebody else saying 23 inches, my bad.
Now it would be nice if Sony would acknowledge the efforts and bring out their 500mm F4G SSM already! The Minolta 400mm F4.5G HS APO was a hidden gem, a lightweight telephoto (lightweight compared to similiar lenses in the same range.)
Zicron: The Minolta 600mm F4G HS APO looks different, more skinny and Star Trek-like.
zstan: Sounds like the salesgirl had a gentle face.
You could sue them for dissatisfactory results.
Uzumaki NaruTo: I sniped my sister's graduation from HELP with the Zeiss 135mm from a few rows back. Had to crop a bit, but it worked.
eugenechiuu: The 18-55mm is a lot better at closeups than the 16mm is. However when you're in a tight space, the 16mm will let you shoot a wider angle than the 18-55mm (e.g. your friend sitting right next to you.)
lwliam: Awesome pans, I like how streaked out the background is, compared to the regular sunny-day exposures.
kevinwcw: I think you missed my earlier posting - previously the UK always, always gets overpriced retail prices. Something that goes for 599 Pounds will go for 599 USD. This has always been the case with Sony.
zstan: You really should ask your cousin - there are a lot of things that you would not suspect about how the law works. There are other ways besides suing as well.
I have to admit though, graduation/scroll shots are not easy, having shot them - there will always be some stray person in the background.
wingster: Yes indeed - it also helps that the Zeiss/Minolta 85mm F1.4 extend when focusing. While it does sound like a downside because the lens sticks out, the upside is that the focal length does not change much (internal focusing lenses tend to widen, reducing magnification significantly.)
I suspect that the Sony 35mm F1.8 DT SAM and Sony 85mm F2.8 SAM will be external focusing as well. That makes the Sony 28-75mm F2.8 SAM the only SAM lens that does not extend when focusing!
ahpingko: Maximum Magnification is the ratio of sensor to image.
For full-frame, the sensor is 36x24mm. So if the lens can focus onto a surface that is 144x96mm, then the maximum magnification is 36:144 = 1:4x. 1:4x = 1/4 = 0.25x also.
A true macro lens will do 1:1x or 1x. Most zoom lenses with "Macro" in their name, like the kit lens, only do 1:4x (or also spelled as) 0.25x.
Gouki: Newer designs pretty much guarantee it. The 50mm F1.8 DT SAM has a MFD to be proud of.
Also here's a revised version with the Sigma 24mm F1.8 and Sigma 30mm F1.4.
want to ask it is true the first generation of alpha have problem... some of user complain about the kit lens.. im newbie here...
what kind of problem have the users that you heard from experienced? so far here, there's nothing much apart from old kit lenses suffer from stripped gear. probably like 2-3 out of 50 maybe? getting a 2nd hand kit lens will cost you peanuts compared to sending it in for repair. they are like china-made-DVD-players... once spoilt, buy another one...
want to ask it is true the first generation of alpha have problem... some of user complain about the kit lens.. im newbie here...
First generation of Alpha? You mean the A100 and the A700? I never faced any problems with my A100 and I'm still shooting with it ocassionally.
Kit lens? Which one? The 18-70mm or the 18-55mm? The most common problem is the gear stripping with the 18-70mm kit lens but that happens because the later generations alpha screw drive is a bit too fast for the plastic gearings...
the same reason why honda discontinued the old civic/city and came out with the new ones.
oh like that... any suggestion for me as new user..? what kind of DSLR comfortable with me... bcuz now im using sony a100.. wanted to upgrade my system...
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jul 29 2010, 04:19 PM)
First generation of Alpha? You mean the A100 and the A700? I never faced any problems with my A100 and I'm still shooting with it ocassionally.
Kit lens? Which one? The 18-70mm or the 18-55mm? The most common problem is the gear stripping with the 18-70mm kit lens but that happens because the later generations alpha screw drive is a bit too fast for the plastic gearings...
im also using a100.. any suggestion for me as new user of DSLR... wanted to upgrade my system...
This post has been edited by applemango: Jul 29 2010, 04:22 PM
oh like that... any suggestion for me as new user..? what kind of DSLR comfortable with me... bcuz now im using sony a100.. wanted to upgrade my system...
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im also using a100.. any suggestion for me as new user of DSLR... wanted to upgrade my system...
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kevinwcw: I think you missed my earlier posting - previously the UK always, always gets overpriced retail prices. Something that goes for 599 Pounds will go for 599 USD. This has always been the case with Sony.
zstan: You really should ask your cousin - there are a lot of things that you would not suspect about how the law works. There are other ways besides suing as well.
I have to admit though, graduation/scroll shots are not easy, having shot them - there will always be some stray person in the background.
wingster: Yes indeed - it also helps that the Zeiss/Minolta 85mm F1.4 extend when focusing. While it does sound like a downside because the lens sticks out, the upside is that the focal length does not change much (internal focusing lenses tend to widen, reducing magnification significantly.)
I suspect that the Sony 35mm F1.8 DT SAM and Sony 85mm F2.8 SAM will be external focusing as well. That makes the Sony 28-75mm F2.8 SAM the only SAM lens that does not extend when focusing!
ahpingko: Maximum Magnification is the ratio of sensor to image.
For full-frame, the sensor is 36x24mm. So if the lens can focus onto a surface that is 144x96mm, then the maximum magnification is 36:144 = 1:4x. 1:4x = 1/4 = 0.25x also.
A true macro lens will do 1:1x or 1x. Most zoom lenses with "Macro" in their name, like the kit lens, only do 1:4x (or also spelled as) 0.25x.
Gouki: Newer designs pretty much guarantee it. The 50mm F1.8 DT SAM has a MFD to be proud of.
Also here's a revised version with the Sigma 24mm F1.8 and Sigma 30mm F1.4.
Erm wait a minute .... why the specs is a little bit different compare to the sony alpha rumor and d previes?
oh like that... any suggestion for me as new user..? what kind of DSLR comfortable with me... bcuz now im using sony a100.. wanted to upgrade my system...
if you really plan on upgrade, how much is budget? have you done your homework on what you need at review sites?
Added on July 29, 2010, 4:24 pmhahha, everyone asking same question
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 29 2010, 04:25 PM
ah well, that aside. i am sure the gear you used and your composition techniques and settings are much, much , MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH better than those noob photographers.
my budget btween rm 3k to 3.5k... bcuz im student always use camera when doing assignment... and want to ask where is the sony centre...?
in that case, you'd probably find the A550 would be quite sufficient. good ISO. easy to handle, not too big so that you can easily bring it around. basically, i see it as a fun and serious camera in one package... hence, a seriously fun camera! try your hands on one if u got the chance. try look for the camera in low yat/sg wang instead of going to sony centre.. at sony centre, the prices are pretty much fixed
in that case, you'd probably find the A550 would be quite sufficient. good ISO. easy to handle, not too big so that you can easily bring it around. basically, i see it as a fun and serious camera in one package... hence, a seriously fun camera! try your hands on one if u got the chance. try look for the camera in low yat/sg wang instead of going to sony centre.. at sony centre, the prices are pretty much fixed
ok bro thanks... how about the photography clazz.. wanted to upgrade my skill...
ok bro thanks... how about the photography clazz.. wanted to upgrade my skill...
shoot more.. more hands on... practice... these are sufficient in skill upgrading. unless you're willing to pay a HUGE sum of money to go learn something u can easily know from practice, then sure, i can teach u... rather than give the money to 1 mentor 50 students class... i can do a 1 to 1 class for u at a fraction of the cost, and i'll buy you dinner after each class
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 29 2010, 04:37 PM
let the sifus shoot you..then u will learn much better & faster.
sure i will... one more thing want to ask.. which camera bag are suitable KATA or LOWERPRO... not familiar with the that item...
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shoot more.. more hands on... practice... these are sufficient in skill upgrading. unless you're willing to pay a HUGE sum of money to go learn something u can easily know from practice, then sure, i can teach u... rather than give the money to 1 mentor 50 students class... i can do a 1 to 1 class for u at a fraction of the cost, and i'll buy you dinner after each class
ow i see... now im just learning by forum at alphanatics and another forum...
This post has been edited by applemango: Jul 29 2010, 04:40 PM
I got myself a black Sony Alpha NEX-5 with Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake lens sometime 1st of July 2010!
Why the 16mm? Because it is pocketable as heck!
I also got myself the very sweet Sony LA-EA1 lens adapter for using A-mount lenses on my E-mount NEX-5. It has a separate firmware from the body, which is a good thing should Sony decide to release firmware that allows the LA-EA1 to focus SSM and SAM lenses (as it was meant to, before, in Firmware ver. 00...)
This is a pre-production NEX-3 with the 16mm F2.8 pancake - even without the LA-EA1 adapter mounted, it still wants to report the lens adapter firmware.
Firmware Update
Firmware 1.02 adds 3D Sweep Panorama, improves the performance of Sweep Panorama, improves the startup time and improves battery life when the camera is off.
For v1.02, starting up is faster, about half a second, with lens cap on. Surprisingly though, starting up is also faster about half a second without lens cap.
I tested this with TWO NEX-5 bodies with the 16mm on. One was mine; the other was my colleague's. I patched mine but not his, to do this test.
3D Sweep Panorama seems more sensitive to speed (coming up with "too slow"/"too fast" errors more often.) Then again it could be that mine was set to Vivid while his was normal. Creative Styles affect Sweep Panorama as well (set it to Black And White and you'll see.)
And now, for a 3D Sweep Panorama crop! StereoPhoto Maker 4.30 was used to open the MPO file.
Find a large envelope or cardboard. Use it to separate the left and right images when viewing, like so:
Click on this image to open it in a new window (it is big!)
The effect is subtle but you will notice how it looks like in 2D if you close one eye or the other. If you turn the envelope the other way you can get closer to the screen and the effect will be stronger.
Interestingly - Shooting Tips helps here by saying that the optimal distance for the subject is 3 meters. I'll go out and hunt for more suitable subjects.
And now, we rewind to the 4th of June 2010, where the Sony Alpha NEX-3 and Sony Alpha NEX-5 were launched at Teeq, Lot 10!
Screens and prints were displaying pictures taken with the NEX cameras.
One of the models who would hold the camera later when it was launched.
There were two events - the media-only launch and the blogger launch - here, bloggers were playing to win.
For the media-only launch, Toru Katsumoto and Masashi "Tiger" Imamura launched the NEX-3/NEX-5 (they did Singapore and Thailand the days before this before returning to Japan.)
As suspicions confirmed, the NEX is just one circuitboard (there were some other circuits in the grip and one around the sensor; this is from the back.) The multi-purpose flash connector is indeed on the main board.
During the short question-and-answer session, somebody asked if there would be more lenses - Toru said they were still doing market research and some wanted G and Zeiss, some wanted 55-200mm and 75-300mm lenses, some wanted primes and macro lenses.
He also said the reason why the NEX-5 came in silver and black was because they did a survey and found that these were the two most popular colors. So we may just see lenses based on popularity (unfortunately, that resulted in our 50mm F1.8 DT SAM!)
I then asked him if they'd have more NEX bodies with more dials and buttons and he said yes (but then again, the yet-to-be-launched-or-named Sony Handycam NEX-VG10 also counts as one.) And that was it, after those 2 questions (I guess the press didn't have much questions at that time.)
So yes, there is expansion intended for both lenses and bodies, but what that will be, isn't certain yet.
While you could say the target market for the NEX-3 and NEX-5 may not be interested in a Zeiss lens, I am sure there will be some videographers picking up the NEX-VG10, seen here in mock form (and what a mock it is, missing the very cool Quad Capsule Spatial Array microphone!) It would most certainly drive demand for brighter telephoto primes and zooms. Zeiss primes are popular with the video crowd.
Sony needed to push out cheaper bodies first or risk doing a Panasonic L1! The L1 had absolutely no impact on the market as to pushing out the then new Four Thirds system.
Yes, the NEX-3/NEX-5 do not support wireless flash to trigger off-camera Sony flashes, but you can easily trigger any off-camera flash that can skip the pre-flash signal. Like my Sunpak PF20XD.
This is a screenshot from the NEX-3/NEX-5 user manual. There is also a flash extender, which apparently comes with the Sony E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 Active OSS (it does not come with the NEX-3/NEX-5 packages, for sure!)
This is the Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 135mm F1.8 ZA mounted on the Sony LA-EA1 lens adapter and Sony Alpha NEX-5.
About the same thing, but with my gear-stripped Tamron 200-400mm F5.6 and 1.5x and 2x teleconverters.
A modern version of this would be the Sony 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM. Now this is where the silver NEX-5 would match perfectly...
While at Sony Style, I also had the chance to check out the Sony Alpha 290 and Sony Alpha 390. The A390 can flip to waist-level position much easier than my NEX-5 can flip to overhead position, and the A390 can flip to overhead position just as easily as my NEX-5 does waist-level position.
It becomes obvious that the NEX-5 is designed to be easy to get to waist-level position hence the different articulation.
Sadly, the A290 and A390 were launched without much fanfare or enthusiasm - even Sony didn't seem to put much into marketing it! They just needed to make a 2010 budget dSLR model which didn't have that lousy handgrip of the A230/A330/A380 series of 2009.
The A290/A390 still has no quick way of changing AF point in Local Area AF. Wireless flash and screw-drive AF support is still there though. There was "Shutter release without lens" option sadly, even though it was released after the NEX-3/NEX-5 which had that option.
However, there was one massive, massive improvement - the hand grip! The grip is very solid and very deep - I tried it with the Sony 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM and did not find any handling issues with it. Even the A550 can feel a bit creaky with that chunky lens, but not the A290 or A390!
The other thing I like that they kept, was the separate SD and Memory Stick Pro Duo slots - this means you can have both SD and MSPD at the same time, though you can only access one at a time and needed to flick a switch to choose between them. My NEX-5 is a pain in that sense because it has only one slot which means I can't have a SD stored inside as backup. Also, the slot is bigger to allow SD, so inserting a MSPD can be fiddly.
The implications of the A290/A390 having the 14 megapixel CCD sensor are, that Sony has dumped the 10 megapixel CCD sensor. The Sony A350 has never been as popular as the A300 (and neither did the A350's successor, the A380) so I can see why Sony decided to use the 14 megapixel CCD sensor stock to build the A290/A390. That leaves the current Sony Alpha lineup as:
Sony Alpha 290 (14.2 megapixel CCD) Sony Alpha 390 (14.2 megapixel CCD with Quick AF Live View) Sony Alpha 450 (14.2 megapixel CMOS with MF Check Live View) Sony Alpha 500 (12.3 megapixel CMOS with Quick AF Live View and MF Check Live View) Sony Alpha 550 (14.2 megapixel CMOS with Quick AF Live View and MF Check Live View) Sony Alpha 850 (24.6 megapixel CMOS with Intelligent Preview) Sony Alpha NEX-3 (14.6 megapixel CMOS with Live View and 720p with 25fps or 30fps MP4 video) Sony Alpha NEX-5 (14.6 megapixel CMOS with Live View and 1080i with 50fps or 60fps AVCHD video)
Oh and how could we forget:
Sony Handycam NEX-VG10 (14.6 megapixel CMOS with Live View and 1080i/60fps AVCHD video)
Sometimes I think the Sony NEX series could've been called a Cybershot and it would not be a big deal. However, just as we thought the Cybershots were killed by the NEX series - Sony shows us that they planned it out and sequenced it so one product will not overshadow another. And so they introduced the Sony Cybershot DSC-WX5 and DSC-TX9 cameras. They have Superior Auto mode (shooting a burst of 2-6 images and deciding to reduce noise or increase dynamic range) and 3D Sweep Panorama (like on my NEX-5!) and the very cool Sweep Multi Angle which is not in any NEX or Cybershot! Check out the video on how it's done!
They also have Background Defocus. Now if you're wondering where they'd get the bokeh from given that it is using a small sensor (even my Cybershot WX-1 with F2.4 sensor doesn't get much bokeh when not in macro) the answer is probably focus stacking. Usually macro shooters will focus stack to increase depth of field but I can see them doing the reverse to get shallow depth of field!
And so, the WX-5 finally supercedes my WX-1 with the backlit Exmor-R sensor and 24-120mm F2.4-5.9 lens. It's the new low-light king of the Cybershots!
Oh and of course, the third guy being the Cybershot DSC-T99, a standard Super HAD CCD from Sony.
About the Sony FDA-SV1 optical viewfinder which I find in my view isn't worth it:
The viewfinder, I find, is of limited use as it goes with the pancake only - the 16mm is so wide you get perspective distortion if you're pointing at say a bicycle lying on a street.
This is perspective distortion - I was standing up and holding the camera at eye level. To reduce perspective distortion, you must adjust the location of the camera so the lines align with the frame.
Sony NEX-5, 16mm F2.8 at F4.5, 1/40th of a second.
So in order to straighten the lines, I need to lower the camera. With the optical viewfinder, I need to squat or assume some kung fu stance! People will know if I'm taking a picture of their stuff!
With the flip-out screen, I can just keep standing and look down. Less obvious that I'm taking a picture, especially if I'm walking on the go. Only if you're some traditional old-school fella you might prefer the optical viewfinder - otherwise, Live View is great!
(On a side note - notice the different shades of greens that the NEX-5 is capable of expressing. It has a pretty darn good color response!
About the infamous NEX menu system
The interface is indeed slow but if you really care for high ISO performance you wouldn't be relying on ISO3200 JPGs but shooting RAW instead - I'd just do -1 EV on ISO1600 and get the same thing (because it is, really, the same thing!)
I shot for a gig where flash was not used and it shines there - in a spot where you don't need to use flash, and can shoot RAW. Now if only DxO and Adobe could get their RAW support for the NEX out!
I quite enjoyed using it as a backup camera - when the A900's buffer was full I just kept going with the NEX-5. Plus it being lighter was easier on my neck compared to having 2 dSLRs.
Oddly, it now feels like it has too many features and too few buttons. Such that they had to categorize each option under one of the six main menu options.
I didn't understand initially why Shoot Mode needed a menu entry but it explains itself when you find the center button does not always invoke Shoot Mode.
It's rather odd that with 9 buttons it has less than my WX-1 with 11 buttons. They so could've added just one, to the right, but it would not present well on the user interface (as it is, going out of Image Enlarge mode recommends you to press the Play button - and you're left wondering which soft key was supposed to do that.)
Really - the top, center and bottom keys all change function depending where you are. It would be hard to have another soft key without cramming up the screen (not the body.)
Going from Video Playback to Image Playback is quicker once you figure you press Play - Down - Left - and then Down or Up and then Center.
One thing I didn't like - Precision Digital Zoom enlarges the image, meaning the zoomed in image is still full resolution instead of being cropped, as it should be!
Sure, the Micro Four-Thirds mount has loads of adapters, but the 2x crop sensor is a turn off and this explains why NEX is quickly overtaking it. Samsung's 1.5x sensor in the NX10 isn't up there yet. A full-frame EVIL will make it big - a 45mm F2.0 will feel better there than on an APS-C sensor.
Somebody used a Canon Extension Tube to make a EF-to-E-mount adapter!
The Sony VCL-ECF1 fisheye converter, for use on the Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake lens. It mounts via a bayonet mount on the front of the lens (which is the same as the Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS... whose front bayonet mount is used for the lens hood.) I love the lens cap, and how it clasps on!
It was meant to be paired with the Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake lens - but what happens when you put it on the Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS?
Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS with Sony VCL-ECF1 fisheye converter on Sony NEX-5. Note the unique coma effects!
Using the NEX-3/NEX-5 for video:
I find that an ideal focal length for portraiture video is the 50mm - the 85mm is a bit too long unless you're talking about a full-body shot from far away. If you want to record conversations, confessions etc. the 50mm is perfect, and the un-intimidating size of the NEX-3/5 makes it better. The NEX-VG10 would be a bit too big for the 50mm!
Longer focal lengths are a bit too hard to pan or track with (not so much the focusing, but tracking...)
If you find that manual focusing on a lens with a small focus ring to be too smooth or too slippery - put your fingers on the lens itself, like on the right - it helps to add friction and dampen your focusing.
The LA-EA1 lens adapter and 50mm fit in my pocket; I can also pocket the NEX-3/5 with 16mm in another pocket!
Aperture in video on the NEX-3/5 cannot be changed unless we use a lens with an aperture ring e.g. the Samyang 85mm F1.4.
You can only change EV while recording video. However Creative Styles, EV and WB take effect on the recorded video. DRO does not seem to have any effect on video. It auto-gains when going from a bright to dark place.
While I would not agree on perfect distortion-free sound (the videos I shot at gigs do have some distortion, but it could be Laundry Bar's sound system) I would say Sony is very capable of recording audio with large dynamics. No Black Tie is such a place - the volume can go really loud with some singers without the sound breaking, but you know your mobile phones will have audio peaking and clipping. However even my Sony Cybershot WX-1 can handle it, with excellent audio quality and 720p! THe volume can get uncomfortably loud and still be distortion-free.
About Progressive And Interlaced
If you've read up on this you'd know progressive is preferred, and that the NEX-5 is weak in the aspect that it is 1080i at 50/60fps - however it is really a 1080p feed at 25/30fps, in an interlaced container. I could convert my 1080i/50fps video into a 1080p/25fps video with no problems. In theory, one could even make it a 540p video with 50/60fps!
The NEX-5 sold in Malaysia is 50fps. You get either 50fps or 60fps.
Right after I got my Sony Alpha NEX-5 with Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake lens, Azrul brought me to this fantastic Yong Tau Fu restaurant in Pudu!
I was loving the wide angle, able to capture more at close range. It also helped that the camera was so small and, surprisingly, quiet (or at least nobody seemed to care that they were being shot), even though I could hear the shutter.
16mm on the NEX-5's APS-C-sized sensor meant 24mm on full-frame 35mm format, which was pretty darn wide! All I had to do to accentuate this was to tilt upwards to make use of perspective distortion (which is never a fault of the lens, but the camera operator...)
A thing to note though with wide-angle lenses - if you don't frame properly, you are going to get unwanted perspective distortion and converging lines. Here, I wasn't pointing straight on, so the lines on top were slanted.
I could just swing it and take a quick grab, knowing it will have the subject somewhere in the frame!
This is Auto HDR mode, set to the maximum - 6 EV. It takes one shot at -3 EV, one shot at 0 EV, and one shot at +3 EV, and merges them intelligently. Obviously though, it doesn't work so well for moving subjects!
The Sony Alpha 450/500/550 had this too, but with only two frames - and one saving grace of how it's done on the NEX-3/5 is that it also saves the 0 EV exposure so you can use it as a regular picture. Unfortunately though, you cannot activate this when the camera is set to shoot RAW or RAW+JPEG.
It is a very convenient focal length for architecture and interiors.
At F2.8 it wasn't the brightest but it would do.
Though, one should not fear the dark with Hand-held Twilight or Anti-Motion Blur mode.
The new rumor: SonyAlphaRumors is pleased to share some new details about the next cameras! Four new APS-C cameras will be announced late August. All those cameras will be in Stock by September!
1) A55 (translucent) 16MP 10FPS EVF-1.44M 1.1X magnification 95% AVCHD full hd 2) A33 (translucent) 14MP 7FPS EVF-1.44M 1.1X magnification 95% AVCHD full hd 3) A560 14MP 7FPS MF recording AVCHD full hd 4) A580 16MP 7FPS MF recording AVCHD full hd
Those models will replace the actual Sony A550 (which has been discontinued in Japan!).
ahpingko: Yes, the 30mm F2.8 DT SAM Macro has a very nice focal length.
kevinwcw: Not yet. Needs hot scorching sun to work at F16!
cassplayer: Ah so that is her name!
u have it?...on super close up, image will appear sharp and big?..actually with macro on lens is mean wat?..i saw my sony sal 75-300mm also got macro on it..lol...
In late august Sony would (supposedly, if rumors are true ) announce 4 cameras with the 14 MP CMOS sensor. (two A5xx, and two cameras with "translucent" mirror that won't have an OVF but could use phase detect AF in video/liveview)
"Pellix cameras is that they have to split the light in two parts. A small part of the light goes to the phase detection sensor and a bigger part to the sensor" and it is a fixed semitransparent mirror system which has been used by the Canon during the film era
The new rumor: SonyAlphaRumors is pleased to share some new details about the next cameras! Four new APS-C cameras will be announced late August. All those cameras will be in Stock by September!
1) A55 (translucent) 16MP 10FPS EVF-1.44M 1.1X magnification 95% AVCHD full hd 2) A33 (translucent) 14MP 7FPS EVF-1.44M 1.1X magnification 95% AVCHD full hd 3) A560 14MP 7FPS MF recording AVCHD full hd 4) A580 16MP 7FPS MF recording AVCHD full hd
Those models will replace the actual Sony A550 (which has been discontinued in Japan!).
will it be in Msia this Sep ??? Can't wait...
Hmm... Which one will be my target??? Dunno...
This means A560/580 will also got movie mode, but MF isit??? A55 use EVF instead of OVF. Quite weird right? Hmm...
This means A560/580 will also got movie mode, but MF isit??? A55 use EVF instead of OVF. Quite weird right? Hmm...
Wait pricelist out 1st. hahaha
The reason they use EVF is because ....
"Pellicle mirror cameras have two drawbacks. First, the mirror must be kept scrupulously clean because light passes through it to the film surface. Second, because some of the light is being diverted up to the viewfinder there’s less light available to the film. Pellicle mirrors typically cost 2/3 stop of light and the viewfinder is also a bit dimmer."
means not enough light to view through OVF due to its system...?
event like this for sure cannot bring DSLR. lucky enough if can "smuggle" 50mm inside. but with 70200, u'll end up choosing to just go home with your 70200 or go in and leave 70200 in ur car
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QUOTE(signither @ Jul 29 2010, 10:46 PM)
event like this for sure cannot bring DSLR. lucky enough if can "smuggle" 50mm inside. but with 70200, u'll end up choosing to just go home with your 70200 or go in and leave 70200 in ur car
or just get a NEX la. lol.
press conf can use DSLR.
Only going into concert, I gonna smug inside the Lowepro belt case. If cannot, then... I got ways
do you all think that the price for NEX will be affected by the new sony DSLR coming out soon? I understand that they are from different class, but would like to hear some opinions.
Thanks!
This post has been edited by lencent: Jul 29 2010, 11:20 PM
do you all think that the price for NEX will be affected by the new sony DSLR coming out soon? I understand that they are from different class, but would like to hear some opinions.
Thanks!
probably not, but even if it did, it wont drop too low..
coz RRP nex now is rm1999 (sony) and 16xx street price.. if it drops , it will only drop by a bit...
I remember last time RM2500(RM2700 for 4 years warranty) for my A350
now it is around RM1200~RM1500 range ...
A550 will face the same fate as well when the new A5xx and Pellix camera on market next month (luckily last time I brought it at China with ridiculous price xD)
This post has been edited by wingster: Jul 29 2010, 11:41 PM
I remember last time RM2500(RM2700 for 4 years warranty) for my A350
now it is around RM1200~RM1500 range ...
A550 will face the same fate as well when the new A5xx and Pellix camera on market next month (luckily last time I brought it at China with ridiculous price xD)
that's why many pros dun like sony.
no resale value, as the market share is still very very small. sadly but true.
oh well, at least we get to buy bloody cheap 2nd hand bodies.
I remember last time RM2500(RM2700 for 4 years warranty) for my A350
now it is around RM1200~RM1500 range ...
A550 will face the same fate as well when the new A5xx and Pellix camera on market next month (luckily last time I brought it at China with ridiculous price xD)
i think its normal for manufacturers to drop price of their old products when new ones come out.. it probably wont hurt authorized dealers as much as street dealers.... i mean comparing Sony Centre/Style to outside shop like lowyat or digital mall.
weird mindset actually.. are you really plan sell it before you buy?? of course you might say, upgrade, need funding..
but for me, i think if money allow, i will go for the best available.. or else buy d until really could afford another new one, without selling the old.. (at least as backup)
I remember last time RM2500(RM2700 for 4 years warranty) for my A350
now it is around RM1200~RM1500 range ...
A550 will face the same fate as well when the new A5xx and Pellix camera on market next month (luckily last time I brought it at China with ridiculous price xD)
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 29 2010, 11:46 PM)
that's why many pros dun like sony.
no resale value, as the market share is still very very small. sadly but true.
oh well, at least we get to buy bloody cheap 2nd hand bodies.
who say only sony dslr price drop a lot? look at Nikon and Canon~ look at 450D, 1000D, 500D, D60, D90, D5000~ they still depreciate a lot~ tell me~ what doesnt depreciate? even cars depreciate like hell~ only thing dont depreciate? properties, land and gold~ go buy those then~
one of my friend offered to buy my a350 =X dunno if wan sell or not. if sell can upgrade but i wanna wait for the new bodies kena body-less for few months
haha while waiting for new bodies probably i go jalan2 with blackbird fly mounted cobra (if got normal mount).
This post has been edited by mastering89: Jul 30 2010, 03:29 AM
Hi,where can i get this lens : Sony 30mm F2.8 DT SAM Macro im in KL area,anybody can suggest me or know which shop got sell this lens....hard to find in kl.....
hahaha...i know that...thats y i m looking for something i need within my budget...keke... btw, my internal flash in a550, the slowsync can up to 1/160 only...external flash can go faster?...1/1000??
i only saw 2 mode of flash in my a550 wor...slowsync and fill flash..normally at nite i using slow sync...but speed always at 1/160...cant go faster d...wat is HSS?
hahaha...i know that...thats y i m looking for something i need within my budget...keke... btw, my internal flash in a550, the slowsync can up to 1/160 only...external flash can go faster?...1/1000??
why would you need slow sync speed of above 1/160 if it is bright enough to drop bump the slow sync speed to that range, it should be good enough to use fill flash unless you do very up close kind of shot but then, the condition should be enough to not use flash
Added on July 30, 2010, 9:43 am
QUOTE(craziqbal @ Jul 30 2010, 09:39 AM)
if you had said that, then u'd be wrong, I took this photo using SAL55200.. I was pleasantly surprised to see the result!
the SAL55200 sure is an incredible lense my best shots are mostly from it sharp and good bokeh, even when wide open
This post has been edited by electron: Jul 30 2010, 09:43 AM
Hi,where can i get this lens : Sony 30mm F2.8 DT SAM Macro im in KL area,anybody can suggest me or know which shop got sell this lens....hard to find in kl.....
sg wang..lowyat...zaloon... try to search around..worse comes to worst..go back to sony style
QUOTE(craziqbal @ Jul 30 2010, 09:39 AM)
if you had said that, then u'd be wrong, I took this photo using SAL55200.. I was pleasantly surprised to see the result!
hahaha...i know that...thats y i m looking for something i need within my budget...keke... btw, my internal flash in a550, the slowsync can up to 1/160 only...external flash can go faster?...1/1000??
for pop-up flash the maximum sync is 1/160s (a700 im not sure, a850 and a900 no pup up).
for external flashes , the normal flash sync (in bounce mode) is 1/160 . for a700 and above is 1/250s (1/200s if SSS is on). for High Speed Sync (HSS / non bounce mode), the flash can sync up to 1/4000s (not sure for a850/a900 can sync up to 1/8000s or not)
do take not that 3rd party flash some of them dont have HSS (iinm was sunpak or cybertik).
for pop-up flash the maximum sync is 1/160s (a700 im not sure, a850 and a900 no pup up).
for external flashes , the normal flash sync (in bounce mode) is 1/160 . for a700 and above is 1/250s (1/200s if SSS is on). for High Speed Sync (HSS / non bounce mode), the flash can sync up to 1/4000s (not sure for a850/a900 can sync up to 1/8000s or not)
do take not that 3rd party flash some of them dont have HSS (iinm was sunpak or cybertik).
i nearly bought cybertik...xD..lucki no buy..if f42am le?
Yeah, still under warranty. bought over from jimmy last few month.
Yesterday try to do wireless flash but fail, after checking detected internal flash was fail also.
Maybe sensor or bulb.
do send it in since its under warranty, they wont charge you a single cent
Added on July 30, 2010, 10:06 am
QUOTE(mastering89 @ Jul 30 2010, 09:57 AM)
for pop-up flash the maximum sync is 1/160s (a700 im not sure, a850 and a900 no pup up).
for external flashes , the normal flash sync (in bounce mode) is 1/160 . for a700 and above is 1/250s (1/200s if SSS is on). for High Speed Sync (HSS / non bounce mode), the flash can sync up to 1/4000s (not sure for a850/a900 can sync up to 1/8000s or not)
do take not that 3rd party flash some of them dont have HSS (iinm was sunpak or cybertik).
A700 can go 1/8000s
QUOTE(8tvt @ Jul 30 2010, 10:02 AM)
where can i get a good explanation about flash?
what kind of explanation you're looking for 1st?
This post has been edited by lwliam: Jul 30 2010, 10:06 AM
F42am looked damn nice...mayb i should stick to my 1st choice which i realli need...a flash unit..instead of hanging on my built in flash with slow sync...xxD
just basic.. that i need to know.. right now just use pop-up flash.. want to seek info regarding external flash.. especially on controlling the menu/settings...
yeah..i have read your blog. this was my 1st time to sony centre. previously only going to buy.
The good thing of sending your stuff to Sony Style@The Curve is after office hours time, but I believe your stuff will be transferred to Mid Valley as well for servicing.
As for the good part of sending to the Service Center at Mid Valley directly; if the issue is not fully solved, you can request the counter to ask the engineer to come over and talk over the issue that you have (might be the case of misunderstanding of what you really have). Happens to me when I had an issue with my A300 mirror box, I had a chat with the service engineer to have them understand my problems).
the other solution to that is that prior to going to the SC, i listed everything i wanted to fix onto a paper, the counter person only had to copy everything into the service sheet, and your piece of paper is attached together with your gear inside the plastic bag, so the engineer will have a 1st hand information directly to them. no misinterpretation.. but of coz, you had to make your point clear and direct. and use proper grammar..
since using external flash would depends on the body.. i would like to see the available setting if fitted.. flash like F42 or F58 on A380.. not much info though..
i only can play with built-in flash.. what i notice the slowsync is actually like fill-in flash.. which automatically slowed down the shutter speed.. if i manipulate it using fill flash and M/S mode with slow shutter.. the result is the same..
using slow shutter is nice.. the flash not so harsh.. but cannot freeze the movement.. if external flash can help to produce the better IQ.. and can blend the pic well.. i would like to get one..
Jul 28 2010, 01:24 AM, updated 16y ago
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hahah today was fun!
im confused. lol.
But 18250 never try before, people say it gets soft after a certain zoom range. Both are travel lens IINM 
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