[quote=coolandy,Dec 23 2010, 06:55 PM]Thanks for all the input. For the results to be valid, all the conditions must be similar.

It can be done in any BH provided the planks where the aroma is to be applied must be the same, i.e. if no speakers on NP1, then the rest also got no speaker.

Only 1 type of aroma per section with each section having anywhere from 4 - 8 planks. If other aroma is also under test, then a different set of NPs should be used.

If the aroma is truly effective, I repeat, the birds should gather as per pattern of aroma application.

Price is now RM10K. Any takers?

If you are convince that your aroma is special, subject it to the test, even in your own appointed BH is fine with me. Come on. help clear the industry of any doubts on aroma.

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http://waletindonesia.blogspot.com/search?...ma+is+not+magic



Aroma is not Everything , not like wat James blogs write after using LP in how many month can get how many thousand bird in where n where ..


In the previous posting about my aroma, Tan2020 have reported the result of my aroma which he tested in his BH. The result is GOOD because his BH location very good, BH design very good, and the most important is he take care of his BH very very well.
Is it because of my aroma make his BH success???????
His BH success because his BH located at VERY GOOD LOCATION, GOOD DESIGN, LESS COMPETITOR and the important is he take care and manage his BH very very well. He is not just built the BH and not take care of it.
So, his BH success is not just because of my aroma, but because of HIM.

Please note that Aroma is not MAGIC and aroma is not EVERYTHING, which can solve our BH problem and make birds population grow faster. Aroma is complementary.

This post has been edited by calvinswiftlet: Dec 24 2010, 12:48 AM

You can contact this number 04-4414033/4425233 to join the member.

If the aroma succeed, then their brand name would be in Low Yat Hall of Fame!

In the open market, there are always unscrupulous people taking advantage of the public. Fraudulent misrepresentation of facts is against the Law. So this project will separate the true ones from the false ones.

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that other factors are important in making a BH successful. The role played by aroma needs to be properly determined.

The reward of RM10k + Fame should be conducive enough for genuine aroma makers. After that he can make tons of $$$$$ by being the certified aroma champion.

Hi all, as a tester of Pak Hen 's Aroma H3N1 for 1 year 3 months, I totally agreed with Pak Henmulia, AROMA is not MAGIC !, but it help as a BOOSTER for your new BH to tame down the birds faster and then make nests - ONLY IF your BH location,design,sounds,management and micro habitat condition is RIGHT ! No short cut in Swiftlet Farming, no just by spreading aroma you can get good result. Many factors to consider.

My recent tested result on 2 BH - BH with H3N1 and without H3N1 on the same location.
- H3N1 can indeed help to tame the birds make nests faster together with the RIGHT sounds use as a whole - 4 months FASTER to reach our target set, so if you are in BUSINESS investment, go for it, time is $$$$$$$$!

Those who attended the last seminar 30~31 October in Jakarta, please open your note given by Pak Hendri Mulia on Page 12 under "Teknik membuat Aroma dan Aplikasinya untuk meningkatkan Populasi", we review what we found you are going to dip it.

Cheer to all.

We test, we share(to be fair, only in Seminar and KPW forum), we advance together.

I have a friend who has tried almost all the aroma in the market. You name it, he has got it before.

For some it worked, for some, it didn't. That is not the way to move forward. A doctor cannot prescribe a medicine that is not proven.

The importance of other factors in making a BH successful is not disputed. What I need to established is the importance of aroma in luring the birds to make love or at least stay at the spot where the aroma has been applied.

I can take pictures of my BH where hundreds of birds group together but no aroma has been applied. There are also places where the birds do not gather.

Making aroma is not that difficult if you apply basic sciences to it. Extracting oil from the feathers and distilling it is not rocket science. So are other methods. At the end of the day, the efficacy of the aroma needs to be established. Some promoters are real gentleman, only claim aroma is complementary. Some claim like IT IS the magic. So why not subject them to a proper test?

This challenge so far is sponsored by myself and another forumer. The results however will be posted in this forum for all to see.

Let's see how many aroma promoters are willing to subject their products to this test. After all, you don't want to give untested medicine to your sick child.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Dec 24 2010, 10:13 AM

[quote=coolandy,Dec 24 2010, 09:40 AM]
I have a friend who has tried almost all the aroma in the market. You name it, he has got it before.

If the design , mirco. Or location not good , whatever aroma you using also not use ... Don't always think aroma is everthing .. Once spray can get more bird ..

Pls aroma is not everything that can solve our bh problem.. .

This post has been edited by calvinswiftlet: Dec 24 2010, 11:05 AM

Go for it.

[quote=calvinswiftlet,Dec 24 2010, 10:14 AM]
[quote=coolandy,Dec 24 2010, 09:40 AM]
I have a friend who has tried almost all the aroma in the market. You name it, he has got it before.

If the design , mirco. Or location not good , whatever aroma you using also not use ... Don't always think aroma is everthing .. Once spray can get more bird ..

Pls aroma is not everything that can solve our bh problem.. .

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Hello, I am newbie in swiftlet farming.

Coolandy, I agreed with aeiou228 that those aroma makers will never turn up as they will pay even more than the prize in case of losing. In order to complete your experiment with valid outcome, you may consider to carry out the experiment by yourself or engaging a team with the witnesses from third/neutral parties, buying those aromas in the market especially one that maker sounds loudest with the fund you contributed.
I suggest your design of experiment could divide into few groups of samples, each group carries samples with similar condition, the objective is to test its Repeatability, which will make result more accurate and convincing. Each group you must locate at same area in the same or different BH, each group you can enter into BH in different timing perhaps every subsequent month.

Group1
NP1. - No aroma
NP2. - aroma A
NP3. - aroma B
NP4. - aroma C
NP5. - aroma D...

Group 2
NP1. - No aroma
NP2. - aroma A
NP3. - aroma B
NP4. - aroma C
NP5. - aroma D...

And so on

Your great effort will be beneficial to this industry.

This post has been edited by philipbn: Dec 24 2010, 01:53 PM

Making aroma is very "easy" like our coolandy said, OK OK Good news to all ... FYI Pak Hendri Mulia will be the first to enrol for the test if someone can jack up the price further i.e. 50K !
Any challenger from Malaysia?? especially from Pak Harry - "Fumakilla H2O Spray" & Pak James Chong - "love potion" ?

I think this way sounds more practical. Similar to that of independent IT hardware/software reviewer/tester in the internet.

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Dec 24 2010, 01:11 PM

I called and got the arrangement.
Thank you so much.

Wish you meery christmas and happy new year!

I am not talking about applying aroma to an unsuccessful BH. It has to be applied to a successful BH where there is still room for the tests to be conducted, or even to new BH.

In the case of old BH, the empty NP would be able to gather birds after the aroma is sprayed. No other aroma must be used prior to this to eliminate other uncertainties.

In the case of new BH, that is easy. The birds, due to their gregarious nature, would again populate the area where the aroma is sprayed.

The beauty of this is that you don't even need CCTV to confirm this because just by the accumulation of bird droppings under those NP would be proof enough.

As for the simultaneous testing of various aroma, I am not for it. Each test should be done using just 1 aroma on a set of NP. Other aromas can be applied to a different region in the BH using another set of NPs. The good thing is if aroma works, we can tell the difference in efficacy between the types of aromas. If it doesn't work, then the pattern of bird droppings will not be seen. Of course, CCTV videos would even be better.

Thank you all so far for the various contributions. I can prepare a few BHs from friends and my own for the test. Some of the BHs has more than 2000 ebn and some are new.

Participants can also volunteer their own BH for this project. I am waiting for the aroma promoters to come forward with confidence. No hearsay, no testimony, just PURE SCIENTIFIC experiment where the results can be repeated anywhere provided the same test methods are applied.

Prize winner of RM10K is still up for grabs. It is time to walk the talk.

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Added on December 24, 2010, 3:08 pmPak Hen,

You are most welcome to stipulate the conditions needed for this test. You can choose your own BH, which series of NP, when to do it etc. I just want to see bird droppings below the NPs, better still together with video.

If success, the RM10k is yours. That simple.



This post has been edited by coolandy: Dec 24 2010, 03:08 PM

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Effektifitas Aroma H3N1


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Jumat, 12 November 2010
Whenever You Drink The Water, Please Remember Where The Water Come From

Many peoples learn swiftlet's farming from me but once they grow and run always forget me and some of them TIKAM from behind. One of them is Blogger who always like to critized my seminar. Actually, 2 years ago he also learn from me and from my forum, KPW. Once he become consultant he tried to block peoples to join my forum KPW by mis-link KPW address in his blog, that is why we have decided to deactivate his KPW account.
Why he mis-link KPW address?? May be he don't want people know his background or his history in KPW or may be he don't want people become clever because get information from KPW forum. I don't know what his reason.

Just to remind to Blogger, where he come from.... and hope he not arrogant and always think that he is the best. On the SKY OVER the SKY.

So, please keep in your mind: Whenever you are drink the water, please remember where the water come from.


SWIFJAMES(bHouse)Friday, May 9, 2008 8:50 PM
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To: "hendri mulia"
Honorably Sifu Pak Hendri,

I have learned a great deal from you. Thank u so much for your teaching. I can proudly say that you are a good Teacher.

Thank u millions

God Bless U,

Warmest Regards
James

--- On Fri, 5/9/08, hendri mulia wrote:
From: hendri mulia
Subject: Re: SWIFJAMES(bHouse)
To: swifjames@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 8:08 AM

James, you already got the answer.... very good

Swifjames Chong wrote:

Hendri,

Its good to have yr reply, what is the reason of you choosing Pic1?.Is it when the walet dive in they have a longer "run way" to fly as compared to pic2 LMB?

In order for most walets to cover the whole farm and also to enter LAR therefore the LAR has to be at the south part like in Pic1.

Thanks
James
Cheer


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, hendri mulia wrote:
From: hendri mulia
Subject: Re: SWIFJAMES(bHouse)
To: swifjames@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 3:16 AM

James,

I prefer picture 1, but please take out the partition and change it using hanging partition.

Regards,

hendri mulia

Swifjames Chong wrote:
Dear Hendri,

Thk u so much for the reply, very much appreciated. Yes 2 lubang. 1 from Open/roof then 1 more from roving to nesting ,this is the old concept to protect sunlight. But now new concept I un'stnd most without partition and walet not afraid of light and the farm should be as open as possible. So what is yr comment if in the pic1, taken out the partition is it better then the pic2?

Bird coming back from the left side of the Pic that mean the position of the LMB of pic2 is facing walet coming back.

Thank you

Warmest
Regards
James

--- On Fri, 5/9/08, hendri mulia wrote:
From: hendri mulia
Subject: Re: SWIFJAMES(bHouse)
To: swifjames@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 1:27 AM

Pak James,

May I know what is direction of birds coming back home?

In the first picture, i see you have 2 LMB i.e.: 1 from open roof go to roving room and 1 from roving room to nesting room. Is it correct? Any reason you make 2 LMB?

Regards,

Hendri Mulia

Swifjames Chong wrote:
Dear Hen Mulia,

Pls find attached pics n the 2 earlier emails I sent to u.My surname is Chong, so it James Chong.

Looking forward to yr reply.

Warmest Regards
James Chong

--- On Thu, 5/8/08, chong wrote:
From: chong
Subject: : Thank you (bHouse)
To: swifjames@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, May 8, 2008, 5:56 AM


----- Original Message -----
From: chong
To: henmulia@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Thank you (bHouse)

Dear Pak Hen,

Here are the second picture that has less obstruction, but its most used by people. Whivh would it be better?

Your kind advise is very much appreciate. You may add anything you may want.

Thank you
God bless You
James (swifJames)

Open your eyes an be careful !!! Try to raise RM 100,000 and we will be interested and able to cover our cost . RM 10,000 not even cover our travelling expences.

I think we will loss cus some green looking product can pull in 700 birds in 2 weeks as claimed. Also birds rushing in to stay in unfinished BH.

This is dangerous for the NB market as a whole . With this type of result BN prise will soon drop to RM 50,00 per kilo.

Quoted " Kasus gedung kosong atau kasus populasi lambat, solusinya bukan dengan menyemprotkan cairan perangsang atau ada yang menyebut parfum walet. Sebab sumber masalahnya bukan di situ. Tetapi sumber errornya mungkin karena kesalahan di tata suara, atau pengaturan suhu & kelembapan, atau kurang tepat tata ruangnya. Apa yang mengundang walet datang dan menempel di twiter atau papan sirip? Itu karena CD panggil yang bagus. Apa yang mendorong walet cepat menginap? Itu karena tata ruangnya yang tepat. Apa yang merangsang walet cepat buat sarang? Itu karena suhu dan kelembapan ruang sesuai habitat waletnya. Gitu… " Unquoted

The above from Dr.Arief Budiman website at http://duniawalet.com/index.php/Kasus/Suda...g-hasilnya.html

hello everyone, i'm a newbie here.

about the aroma challenge, i have a different idea - aroma TEST PLAN.

Aroma TEST PLAN
LAB provides test samples (labelled A, B, C, D, etc) to TESTERS.
TESTERS do the test, and send back the result to LAB.
LAB compile the data.

Lab role
- provide test samples to testers
- compile test data
- LAB must be from 3rd party

Tester role
- run the test plan
- send back test data to LAB
- TESTER can be any swiftlet farmer

note: only the LAB know the test sample's aroma

just my two cents

That's not a bad idea to have independent testers. For that to succeed, cooperation from aroma providers is compulsory. We need to separate myths from facts.

With more ideas, I hope to be able to come up with a foolproof test method.

r u try to luring some secret recipe out ... wat the purpose with the Lab ? Lab will knw the result ? lab knw attractive or not for the bird ?

tan2020 wrote:
henmulia wrote:
calvincsh80 wrote:
Hi justin , good post ya .. But look like coolandy still want to callenge with our master product ..


if the present is RM. 50,000 we will go in this competition. Asking Jim lee to take care and apply H4N1 Aroma. H4N1 need to be test in certain area in Indonesia and Malaysia.


Should I ask them to jack up the prize to RM50,000 before we enrol.
New Aroma ? H4N1 - i will be willng to test too. he he


Yes... because we need to do inspection of the BH internal and manage the BH, if too small, who will pay Jim Lee's meal, transportation and accommodation? If win, i will give this money to Jim lee and his team.

Yes, i will arrange it to send H4N1 to you


Hi here is Pak Han accepting the challange. see KPW site . The ball is on your court and" put you money where your mouth is "

Wow...An interesting turn of events !! H3N1 team have no fear whatsoever of the aroma challenge and even send out untested new aroma H4N1 for the competition. Respect.
I hope the green LP will take part in the competition too.