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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post May 9 2010, 11:46 AM

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Wow.... V3 already.

But Seeseng, I've just noticed that some threads like this no need to create new thread even already exceeded 200 pages.

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post May 23 2010, 11:15 PM

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The only way to test the ultrasonic amp before you buy is to play it with duress sound for 10 min and observe the response from the birds and then use the normal amp to play the duress sound again and observe again. Compare the results and post it in this forum biggrin.gif
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post May 24 2010, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ May 23 2010, 11:31 PM)
That was what I wanted to suggest initially, but....some reservations
Can an original track in the audible range be reproduced in the ultrasonic range by being played on an ultrasonic amplifier and vice versa?
Maybe the posting about the flop testing was cos' only the ultrasonic bit of the audible bird song was being played thus failed?
Need a audiophile to answer these questions  biggrin.gif

In the event that it works at some point in future
Do we buy audible bird songs and play them on an ultrasonic amplifier that we cant hear OR
Do we buy an already ultrasonic track to play on an normal amplifier or ultrasonic amplifier
How would you know at the point of purchase that you have not purchased a blank CD or given a blank by accident?
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I have never come across any audio file with ultrasonic format or extension. Most swiftlet's sound were either in .mp3 or .wav. So my guess is playing a normal .mp3 track in ultrasonic amp.
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post May 25 2010, 05:34 PM

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Aiyo yo.... htc, you post this kind of link ar ? This is the most feared "weapon of mass destruction" if it fall into "wrong hands".
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post May 26 2010, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 25 2010, 09:44 PM)
Im so lucky. Very lucky . I will not feel sad if one day the authorities starts taking down or removing the bird house owners . Sorry to say this but if you watch Jack Neo movie the latest one, the saint who try to persuade the person that doing evil is bad had turn into deaf ear, in the end the saint also join the evil to persuade jack neo to climb the wall so that he could die faster.

The reason im saying this is because i realize that only a few forumers here have their radar switch on 24 hours on the swiftlet news on the govt ruling. The rest are just worst than DOGS... Remember the scene in one of the Bruce Lee film... No Dog , No Chinese?
This is what happen when the signage was even put up bravely by the Japanese to insult us and no one do anything about it...

Same goes to these people who cares about the methodology but neglect the discussion on the rulings and the secret movement with agendas . That's y i can said so loud because i don't own any bird house as yet but probably not going to happen either looking at the scenario here , there is no unity or union to even inform or do something. Everybody taking care of themselves. Selfishly .

those who are the quiete one, better take baby steps to do something and voice out your opinion against anything you think is not fair. Don't let other people to talk for you . I know person like Cergau still hoping to see the light of the industry but haven't get enough of people or speakers to start the movement and making more sound to the authorities . Those of you already have and in the business think others will help you do your work again, think deeply . The papers have came out all the stories that is more negative than positive to all of you out there and you are still sleeping like a big Fat Giant . Good luck to all the lazy mother arkers.
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This posting is very rude, disgusting and annoying. It is absolutely unnecessary to hurl unsolicited derogatory remarks and throwing absurd tantrums against other forumers even if they are not interested to participate in any discussion. Weirdly, this poster was not even being specifically provoked or irked by any one here. Maybe this sudden outburst is a symptom of movie overdosed if not manic depression.


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post Jun 1 2010, 11:07 AM

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Cergau,

I've just signed as 2nd signature after you. Will spread this petition via email to all my kaki, family and friends for more signatures.

Last but not least, thank you so very much for your effort to help the BH owners. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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post Jun 12 2010, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Polaris @ Jun 12 2010, 07:53 AM)
Is this book from the Crystal Swiftlets link recommended?

http://www.crystalswiftlets.com/cs42.html

They're selling it fot $20 usd
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The book provides basic information about Swiftlets farming. It's good for newbie but not for advance learner though. I have one copy and no longer need it. Letting go at haft price. PM me if you are interested.
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post Jun 12 2010, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 12 2010, 09:34 AM)

My opinion on the matter

You are quite right as you need to pull the swiftlets into your BH but you should only installed the tweeter in the front portion of the interior area  and leave the internal sound for the inner part for nesting. The external sound excite the birds too much that they do not rest which isn't what your intention.
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Dear WW,

My BH has 3 storey, I place external sounds only at the LAL each floor inside the nesting area. Do you think the external sound played inside the nesting area will actually "pull" the birds to the lower ground ? When I was inside the BH, the mixture of external and internal sounds become "rojak" sound already.

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post Jun 12 2010, 11:45 PM

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Er...hm...!
Gentlemen....sudah terlampau off topic liao lor....
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post Jun 13 2010, 09:45 AM

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Dear Sifu
I'm planning to cover up the nesting plank 90° corners just for the ground floor nesting hall. There are so many options I can use. From wooden corner boards to curved aluminum sheets. I'm considering aluminum sheets because that's the easiest and cheapest option. What is the ideal length to cut the aluminum and what are the disadvantages using aluminum ? Is there any better way to cover the corners ?

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post Jun 13 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 13 2010, 01:10 PM)

Since you are only concerning on whether or not that you should have a wooden block or aluminum sheet then my opinion is that you should have the meranti wooden block as the aluminum does not allow the birds to has a grip on it to enable the bird to built its nest properly. 

That's my personal opinion on the matter concerned only and other may has difference opinion to share.
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Make sense. Also the addition cost to make the groove lines on the aluminum sheet and that still doesn't guarantee the birds can grip on it.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(xunji @ Jun 13 2010, 07:15 PM)
One question, What is your intention to have the nesting plank 90degree  corners be cover?

I'm using Stainless Steel Sheet to cover and it measure 200mm each side.  The 90 degree still occur and it without any groove. The reason is simple, i'm forcing the birds to made all 180degree nests.

and disadvantage of using aluminium is after a period of time white powder will be form on the surface of the sheet.
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Brilliant idea rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Why I wouldn't think of it in the 1st place. Slippery stainless steel sheet corner cover means no nest at the corner !!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

I only cover the corners at the unoccupied floor. I don't want too many corner nests.
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QUOTE(CWG @ Jun 14 2010, 11:52 AM)
If your BH is new, don't put any corner plank first. Let the birds population grow first. New birds like corner very much. Changes is you may get 4 corners nest compare to only 1 180deg nest. Price for 4 corner nests should be better than 1 180deg nest right. Do what the birds like not what you wish.
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Yes, you are right. My birds are currently occupying 1st and 2nd floors and made corner nests and I'm covering the corners of the unoccupied ground floor. When the birds population grow to ground floor, no more corner for them. icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(seeseng @ Jun 14 2010, 02:07 PM)
It's just a product catalogue. Period.
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No la. From my copy, mostly are basic introduction to swiftlets farming. Only 10% of the book showed picture of equipments needed for swiflets farming.


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QUOTE(xunji @ Jun 14 2010, 04:03 PM)
b) instead of 90deg now become 135degree.
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A straight faced corner board will produce 135° nests. Let's say if I put up a curved Meranti corner board, the birds will make a rather round cup nest right ? Will the round cup fetch the same price as the 180° nests ?

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post Jun 22 2010, 06:35 PM

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A different situation in Klang as reported in Sin Chew Jit Poh. sweat.gif sweat.gif

Chirping sounds from Swiftlet houses affects the value of the surrounding properties.
燕聲日夜播受不了”‧居民:干擾作息影響屋價

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高陽苑金泉路商業區養燕活動日漸崛起,居民表示此區共有10間養燕屋,日夜播放高分貝燕聲。(圖:星洲日報)
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金泉路的養燕活動已有一段時間,居民並非反對業者在店屋進行養燕活動,只吁請希望控制燕聲音量和播放時間。(圖:星洲日報)
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居協指出,很多有意購買公寓單位的公眾,以為燕子噪音是居民所引起而不敢購屋,令公寓單位屋價滑落20%。(圖:星洲日報)
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連英才(右2)向居協主席周進國(右)瞭解養燕屋發出噪音的問題。左起:潘玟迪和張進源。(圖:星洲日報)


焦點地區:高陽苑金泉路商業區

(雪蘭莪‧巴生)高陽苑金泉路商業區養燕活動日漸崛起,卻影響距離店屋100公尺的公寓居民,不僅日夜遭受高分貝電子燕聲干擾,更令外界誤會居民自行養燕,屋價連帶受影響滑跌20%。

高陽苑維斯達蘇達公寓居民協會投訴,有關店屋不分晝夜播放高分貝燕聲,使最靠近店屋的A座公寓居民深受噪音干擾。

李德炎:波及屋價下跌

居協顧問李德炎指出,公寓約有5年歷史,約有4座各4層樓高單位及560戶人家,以前居民以每單位約10萬令吉購置,但現在屋價已跌至8萬令吉。

他說,其中一項原因是店屋的養燕活動所致,從2年前的2間店屋增至目前的10間店屋,而且日夜播放電子燕聲,令居民無法在家中享受寧靜片刻。

盼業者控制音量和時間

他週六(6月19日)向哥打阿南沙區發展協調官連英才投訴時說,居民並非反對業者在店屋進行養燕活動,只吁請有關業者控制音量和時間。

“很多有意購買公寓單位的公眾,在參觀單位時以養燕發出噪音為由而不敢購屋,令空置單位脫手不成,繼續滯銷。”

他說,以往業者相當自律,在晚上7時30分便停止播放燕聲,惟隨著更多養燕業者加入競爭,業者開始全天候開啟燕聲,製造不必要的噪音。

“幸好店屋後方最近興建一排新店屋,可有效遮擋部份的音量,否則情況更糟糕。”

他說,當中首當其沖者,是住在A樓4層的160名住戶,他們如果在晚間開窗納涼,就會聽到吵雜燕聲,無法安寧休息。

因此,他吁請業者以自律、有良心及道德來進行養燕業,且在不影響別人日常作息下作業。

連英才促雪速公佈養燕業指南

連英才敦促雪州政府儘快公佈養燕業指南,加以管制業者遵從准則作業。

他建議雪州政府,規定凡在住宅周遭養燕的業者,必須徵詢當地居民協會同意下,才能獲得養燕執照,以免養燕活動日後影響居民的生活。

曾遠明(53歲,A座3樓居民):燕聲噪音影響工作

“我是一名工程繪圖師,最近才開始在家工作,因此經常聽到燕聲噪音。

這問題存有一段時間,希望業者能給予關注,如果居民家中有小孩,他們的聽覺就會受到干擾。

以前業者通常在晚上10時就關上燕聲,但現在卻早晚不停播放高分貝的燕聲,令我們受不了。”

再依拉查里(41歲,A座居民):影響孩子溫習功課

“我剛於一年前搬到這裡已有噪音問題,早晚都聽到煩人的燕聲,無法安然入睡。

此外,我的孩子也準備應考大馬教育文憑考試,然而噪音令他無法專注溫習功課。”

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 29 2010, 07:05 PM)
Just bought 2 acre of agriculture land for Rm320K and that's very expensive.

What to do as I have been waiting for the price to drop and it still go up due to the swiftlets fever...................just last year, the same area, per acre is only Rm45K and Rm100K last month and now Rm130K and it must be crazy. If I don't buy it, I am sure by the time I die, I still be planing to buy!!!!!!

So I closed both eyes and buy cos if I die. Some of my friends must be laughing as I told them that it's too expensive to buy agriculture land at such high price as no oil palm or rubber tree can generate enough even for the interest and I went and buy!!!!! So silly of me!!!!!
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Expensive indeed. sweat.gif But what to do... at least you have a backup plan in the event town BH no longer allowed.
Assuming you purchased the land totally in cash and based on the past years Amanah Saham waswasan 2020 or ASM investment returns, your holding cost for the said RM320,000 agricultural land is approx RM20,000 per annum. Therefore the land must appreciate to RM420k or produce 25kg of white gold in 5 years time in order to match the holding cost. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(htc @ Jun 30 2010, 11:01 AM)
subdivide in to say 10 lots.

construct & commission 3 storey (25' x 80') BH @ 300,000

Land Price = say 400,000 (including ancillary charges & holding cost)
Construction = 10 x 300,000 = RM3,000,000
total investment = RM4,000,000.00

to gradually sell each birdhouse from 6 months (50 nest) to 3 years (500 nest) after operation.

BH 1: Sold at RM350,000
BH 2: Sold at RM400,000
BH 3: Sold at RM450,000
BH 4: Sold at RM500,000
BH 5: Sold at RM550,000
BH 6: Sold at RM600,000
BH 7: Sold at RM650,000

Collection: RM3,500,000.00

wah...imagine what the BH 8 /BH 9 & BH 10 would be worth by then!

walet park!

good thinking & Kudos to Bro West Wing
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Haha good idea. All this while individual BH owners cursed eco park players left and right but when money matters drool.gif , we ourself think and do the same like the eco park player. blush.gif
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Bird bungalow right in the middle of prestigious Country Heights Damansara, Kuala Lumpur ? My goodness...! These bad apple farmers are the cause of anti swiftlets farming and forcing the authority to regulate the industry.

Friday July 2, 2010
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priya@thestar.com.my Photo by M. AZHAR

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Massive: The three-storey structure built on a hill next to Country Heights Damansara, Kuala Lumpur.

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An electronic musical sound mimicking birds had been placed inside the building to attract the swiftlets... PETE MEEHAN

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QUOTE(sosos @ Jul 2 2010, 12:14 PM)
can i ask these BH in paddy field near by temple and centre town...how much the estimate value for the land and BH,thanks
very expensive??from the photo, this place so good fengshui. in front got the forest,behind got sea and centre town...

how about sifu here estimate the value??thanks coz i want to buy the land, there got may land havent got BH, this place got many swiftlet too
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Erm.....which photo your are referring to ? or perhaps where is the photo ?
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QUOTE(sosos @ Jul 2 2010, 02:33 PM)
i upload photo already
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OK, now I see it. that's a very vast piece of land up to the mountain range at the far end. Maybe tens of millions RM tongue.gif

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