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post Jun 4 2010, 12:17 PM

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Do we need to purify or put any disinfectant into the water of the humidifier?

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post Jun 10 2010, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 9 2010, 09:24 PM)

Added on June 9, 2010, 10:28 pm

No, you only need to clean the pan or else, your humidifier will get blocked.
Dear West Wing,

Thank you.

I also came back from Guangzhou last month.
Just FYI, I was told that the bird nest buying price in Southern part of China is too low.
Because there are too many sellers there.

I was also told that if we wanted a higher price, we should sell in the northern area.


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post Jul 8 2010, 01:26 PM

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How's about an open roof entrance compared to window entrance?

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post Jul 12 2010, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jul 12 2010, 04:23 PM)

then i can push my fat body to thailand and marry a thai woman and invest all my money there... to build more spa n sauna centres.

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post Jul 29 2010, 01:25 PM

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Sifus,

Please advise on how to arrange the internal and external speakers within the nesting room of 20* 70 ' size.
Should it be all facing in one direction towards the entrance hole or should it be all facing towards the middle of the room?

Thank you.
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post Aug 7 2010, 02:07 PM

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How come all good bloggers ended up either selling something or disappeared?
When you started sell products, the credibility to be trusted, not bias, isn't there any more.
For those who are just disappeared, we missed you.

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post Sep 1 2010, 08:44 PM

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Are we using the right frequency speakers?

Please read my posts in http://mynewventureswiftlethome.blogspot.c...&max-results=15

Any comments on the subject are welcome.

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post Sep 2 2010, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Sep 2 2010, 09:51 AM)
Interesting! Are we using the right tweeters or even sound for that matter?

Or do we really need any sound or tweeters to ensure that the birds build nests which is what we are looking forward to?

Let me give you a case history....which of course is mine.  This BH of mine is flooded due to an over flooding of the blocked water chute and cause the rain water to flowed in the ceiling of my BH causing alot of damages; maggi type of nests and a wet electrical board which caused the main fuse to blowed.

So, the Bh was without any electricity and since I never like to allow people into my BH for security reason, therefore, I rather wait for the electricity board to dry out by itself and that take approximate 6 months and since then, this BH of  mine is without any sound or humidifier working and walau, this six months has seem the most increment of nests in the history of this BH. Since then, even the electricity is back to normal, I still do not use any sound for that BH and only use humidifiers. The serious problem with the BH is that most of the nests in the BH now become alittle brownish due to contamination from the rain water.

This tell me that sound or mist may not increase your nests but just that it attract birds to visit your BH and play but to stay and make nest, it is another matter and I don't think it concern with the sound or mist but the quality of the nests surely depend on the conditions of the BH.

My little experience to share with friends.
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Dear Sifu WW,

Thanks for your comments and sharing of your case.

For your case, was it possible that your house then already had hundreds or thousands of bird staying inside?
Thus there were enough of birds' natural sound inside.

Also with the flooding, the whole building were dampen and hence had very good humidity.
Both incidences gave very good conditions to your bird house and nest increment.

You are right, we used sound to attract birds to visit our BH. Only the right conditions inside will make them stay and make nest.
All of us (newbies) here are counting on you and also all the Sifus here to share with us on tips of how to do and maintain those
right conditions apart from the basic.

Thank you for your sharing as always.

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post Sep 11 2010, 12:14 PM

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Hi Tuckfook,

Since no one answers, I like to give it a try.
I think that section specially the east wall and the ceiling might be too hot.
You can try touch it with your hand on a sunny day.

This incident also happened to my friend's BH.
Since it passed summer now. He just placed his two humidifiers closer to the east wall.
So the mist will wet and cool down the wall a bit.
But before next summer, he will put a more permanent shade outside the wall.

Just a newbie's opinion.

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post Sep 17 2010, 12:08 PM

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Hi Tuckfook,

Any recommend brand and models of external and internal piezo tweeters?
Thanks.
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:16 PM

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Thanks for all comments; Tuckfook, Mfyapp and WW.

I still haven't found a good piezo tweeter.
Most of them in the market gave voice at high frequency. If with condenser/capacitor, voice will be even higher.
I want speaker that can play at 1500 hz- 20000 hz., which will give more natural sound than only the high frequency sound.
Those magnetic speakers can cover the required frequency range, but there are at much higher price. Not easy to install them correctly too.

You are right mfyapp, if we can test the sound as it will be in the BH first, that should be the best way for speaker selection process.

Any recommendation for the right piezo tweeter will be highly appreciate.
WW tweeters, sound good, what is the specification?
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Hi CWG,

Well said.

Looking at your bullet tweeter specification. I think it'll do a good job, considering it's frequency response.
What type of tweeter is it?
Is it with magnetic coil or is it a piezo type?
How can we use it as internal sound tweeter?

If I choose to use this one, my cost of internal sound tweeters will be 10 times more than the normal cheap one. sweat.gif

I am not that choosy with external tweeter as I think to attract birds to our house is not that difficult.
I think to lure them to stay and make nest is a very challenging step.
Apart from design, micro conditions and aroma, internal sound which included type of tweeter, installation method and position of tweeter are very very important.
I think with the right (not necessarily means expensive) tweeters, we might not need so many tweeters as people do now.

I saw from the CCTV that birds ignored bad tweeters and internal sound.
Many Sifu knew about this secret, but understandably, they wouldn't want to reveal it to newbie.
They would rather make $$$$ from it.

Some can be very successful with very low cost tweeters, no problem, so be it.
We, the late comer, need to find every other possible ways to make a short cut, if we can.

The problem now is to find the right one at the right cost to speed up the no. of birds and of course no. of nests. hmm.gif

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post Oct 17 2010, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Oct 14 2010, 07:11 PM)
There are several types of red bricks. The highly fired red bricks are not as porous as the less fired ones and the types made of red laterite and cement mix are the most porous.  By porous I mean that they absorb water and retain the water in the brick without leaching out.

Sand and cement bricks are the least porous in comparison and even though they readily absorb water, they do not retain it as long as the clay bricks.

I am using double layer red bricks (cement and laterite) with lime plaster on both sides.  lime plaster is more porous than 100% cement plaster. With this construction, my internal stable humidity is about 20% higher than external ambient all the time, thereby maintaining no less than about 75%Rh all the time without humidifier running. My humidifiers do not run most of the day. The gr flr. does not switch on at all so much so that I have to manually activate it to make sure it still works. Only the top flr. humidifiers run for about 30 mins in the evenings.

Insulation is not a problem as with porous bricks the water evaporates from the inside to the outside. As this happens, there is an appreciable temperature drop keeping the walls cool.  In wet weather the bricks absorb water to be saturated and that traps the heat inside stopping it from being too cold, when it is hot and dry outside, water evaporates and maintains the cool internal temperature. Of course the thicker the better but there are limitations as to how thick we can build a wall.

If you want physical heat insulation then use double wall with styrofoam sandwich but you will encounter internal condensation, and need good airflow control to be able to control the temperature.
Hope that is helpful.
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Thank you, very useful information.
This explained why my friend's bird house with double walls with styro foam sandwiched structure has had high humidity all the time.
Luckily, he had built-in many ventilation holes(VH) and he had to open all those holes all the times.
Recently during this heavy rain period, the VH are not enough, he had to install many exhausted fans on ground floor to lower the humidity.

Earlier a friend advised him to close down some of the VH to lower the humidity as outside humidity was high.
But when he did close some holes, the humidity shoot.

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post Oct 31 2010, 03:08 PM

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Does anyone use a 70-Volt (or 100 Volt) speaker system in BH? Is there any drawback?

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Quoted "There are several reasons why you might want to use a 70-Volt speaker system:
You won't need to do any calculations or fancy wiring in order to string together a bunch of speakers.
The system allows you to mix speakers of different impedance and power without much work.
Despite dissimilar charactersitics, all speakers can be made equally loud, or you can make specific ones louder or softer than the others.
The 70-Volt system is more efficient at transmitting electricity to speakers, saving power and allowing the use of less expensive components. " Unquoted.

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Oct 31 2010, 07:25 PM)
Why mess with more things in the system, so that there are more things to fail?  Simplicity will always be better.

Since when is there the necessity to mix tweeters of different impedances ? Do the cheap chinese piezo tweeters or the expensive Motorola type piezo tweeters come in different impedences ?

How can any power be saved when several hundred transformers are being used compared to a direct driven system without any inefficient transformers ?
I will not use piezo tweeter, we have done experiments and found that birds are more responsive to a right frequency magnetic tweeter, not necessarily an expensive one. The advantage of this system is best described in the followings:

http://www.horrorseek.com/home/halloween/w...ltSpeakers.html
http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/138905-...ant_voltage.pdf
http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/support/getf...d=215&doctype=3

The experimental birdhouse (that use the right frequency magnetic tweeters) has now more than 500 birds, 60 nests and increasing at a rate of 30 nests /months after only less than 5 months of operation. We will always search for a better way to improve our bird house, not easily satisfy with what we already have.

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Nov 2 2010, 07:14 AM)
Tweeter,

Would really appreciate if you could kindly explain or let us know what is the right frequency for the swiftlets? How should I use the equalizer? Does your tweeters need equalizers?

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Coolandy,

Can see my detailed explaination in my blog: http://mynewventureswiftlethome.blogspot.c...ht-speaker.html.

We do not use equalizer. You cannot use equalizer to correct the frequency range of the wrong speakers. You need to buy the right speakers that covered the frequency range from 1000 to 7000 hz. If your speakers cover 1000 - 15000 hz, may be you can fine tune your speaker with equalizer.

Even the speakers specified the right frequency, you still need to check them, as these are low cost speakers, I don't think the manufacturer has a very good QC system on them, it can vary batch by batch.
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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Nov 2 2010, 02:04 PM)
1 After spending some time using Audacity, try your favourite swiftlet caller tracks and investigate the spectrum of the sound. See what frequency your favourite recording is. Report on your findings.

2 Next project, buy a good microphone and record the sound of your baby swiftlets. Do it when most of  the adult birds are out of the house. Then investigate your recorded tracks' spectrum. Report your findings.

3 Repeat the recordings when all the birds are just returning into the house. Investigate the spectrum of your recordings. Report on your findings.

What can you conclude ?
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Have done 1 and already reported in my blog.
Can do 2 and 3 later when we have more babies, now only has eggs and few babies.

Now can only confirm Fullard et al,. 1993 's findings that
"The frequency range of swiftlet echolocating calls is between 1-6 kHz, with most energy focused between 2-5 kHz".

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Hi Jackie Chow,

Since the temp and humidity that suit birds are also optimal conditions for mold too, how can we prevent mold from our plank , specially during this monsoon season?
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 2 2010, 10:28 PM)
The ultimate prevention at source is to install KILN DRIED planks. Just slightly more expensive but worth every dollar of it. If you haven't install the planks yet, you can still send the planks to KD plant (if available in your area) to dry planks in kiln chamber within a day or two.
  
Unless using a dehumidifier in the BH, no way we can prevent the hi rH during monsoon season. But If we can kill the fungus spores and dry up the planks by using heat gun, then the molds recurrence can be minimized. At least during the monsoon season.

Some heat guns can go as high as 1000C !!
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Thanks AEIOU228.

Yes, the KD plank can definitly prevent black mold, as black mold infested inside the wood plank that has moisture more than 20%.
However although we use the KD plank, if the humidity and temperature inside our BH is at optimal condition, which are Temp 20-30 degree celcius and humidity at 80-90%RH, we still have mold on the surface of our plank, but this time it is a white mold.

I am still searching for a good preventive, maintenance and curing systems to deal with these white molds.
Any advise?

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 3 2010, 01:35 PM)
Well, I would like to put it this way, with KD planks you effectively lower the risk of getting mold rather than a 2 months air dried planks. My KD Red Meranti planks have no mold problem in a max rH BH and only a few pieces of non KD, not-so-red color planks (add on purchases from other supplier) have white mold.

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Thanks again aeiou228, you got me!
I'll try to see whether I can KD my planks.

Good readings on KD wood and mold growth optimum conditions.
http://www1.uni-hamburg.de/cost/e15/papers...i-paper0103.pdf

http://www.ibpsa.org//proceedings/BS2003/BS03_0895_902.pdf

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