for 5 or 10k.. i dont think the sifu will come n do it... what is 10k nowadays.. 2 nites party habis... anyway.. merry christmas and all the best... sometimes god do test us.. dont be fool to listen to the unethical.. swiftlet farming is not easy like abc... juz by using certain aroma n 700 birds wil enter ur bh without any tweeters n sound... c'mon.... logic or not..? juz my 2 cents..

coolandy,

Your initiative is a greatest Christmas gift to the swiftlets farming industry. Now, we have H4N1 from Indonesia confirmed participation without much hesitation and it will be more interesting if our Malaysia top aroma makers are brave enough to take out the challenge.

Wow, 10k not a lot? Spent so much on parties? Well, I certainly think RM10k is significant. RM10k is 3 month's wages for a new lawyer. Y.ou are most welcome to chip in another RM10k. Maybe we can leave the $ to WW for safekeeping

Anyway, Sifu don't have to come. Just need their endorsement.

They might not participate because scared of losing face in case their aromas don't work as claimed.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all.

Hey, here, someone so generously trying and provide the opportunity  to advertise your Aroma....and to prove once and for all that your product is what you label them to be and you still ask for more.

If I am selling Aroma, even if I need to pay to participate, I will participate, unless your Aroma isn't what you preached it to be????? I cannot comment on which is the good Aroma and which isn't cos I didn't try on any of the present marketed Aromas and so our friend, Mr. Coolandy has generously contribute Rm5K to prove you right ( if you are selling the real thing) and to kick the ass of the competitors for selling fake product.

Not that I never use Prefume or Aroma for my BHs but that mine is my own special blended portion and never intended to sell or share........plus it's cheap to make. Market ones are selling a few hundred per bottle and for that price, it surely must work....

Good Aroma do help but not as advertised..........like bees to the queen bee's ??????

Thanks Coolandy.
Not that all recommendations on the sites are bad and some are good and should be commented and praised. Like the Styrofoam, it's really work , better than the fake nests, most sites are selling. By the way, who was the first one that recommended Styrofoam for fake nests, I thank you, Sir....

Looks like we are moving forward. I will try my best to come up with a little write up on objectives of test, methodology etc.

Please send me as many ideas as possible. Even if the idea is against this test, I will hold no grudge against you.

So aroma promoters, please participate.

WW, you wanna be moderator? I would be most happy to have you on board. In fact, we need somebody to hold the deposit in trust so that nobody can accuse me of bulls@@@ting.

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Added on December 25, 2010, 6:40 pmThe beauty of this test is if the aroma fails, there is no penalty!

if the aroma fails, there is no penalty!

bmanz,

How much deposit do u think must come from aroma promoter and will be forfeited if the aroma fails?

IMHO, I think what we all really want is an aroma that'll attract birds even if the conditions are not perfect. You are looking for a magic potion? ... if you cannot get the basic condition for Swiftlet right, why getting into the business?? Is it because of the "Greed"inside YOU??.

There is no telling whether an aroma is doing anything when it is used in an already successful birdhouse or a section of an already well populated BH. It can be concluded that since a BH is already doing well, regardless of aroma the birds would eventually populate the NP anyway. - We already conducted the test at same location, Aroma indeed can help to tame the birds FASTER to build nests than the BH without Aroma - when basic condition is RIGHT.

If an aroma works in a proven failed BH then it is the miracle cure.  I'll offer Rm10k for that. I will offer RM100K for that.. mind you... eventually ..the price of the nests will fall to RM50 per Kgs ! Not hardwork involved here- easy money.

I'm sure everyone notes the caveat that all the aroma vendors claim that the conditions must be right before the aroma will work. Logically if the conditions are right, why then would we require any aroma ?
I have tried several aromas, side by side, in a section of my house that has no birds, so far, in 3 months, still no shit. So what does that prove ? Somehow the conditions are not right so aroma does not work ? If the conditions are right  would I need to look into using an aroma ? ..In business world we want faster rate of return of our hard-earned money - Aroma is complementary of a successfulness of a BH, so we want it to be part of our list.

In a new BH, we have to "fool" the visiting birds that they are within a thriving swiftlet community, so sound, darkness, temperature, humidity and basically security are very important. For a thriving community, there must be lots and lots of shit so I'm sure we already know what we need... you already knew the basic requirment and the important of aroma! ...thank goodness...

So, I'll let everyone in on a secret !  In my dusun BH, I bought 300 sacks of fresh chicken dung and kept it all around the perimeter of the BH.  Inside I had 100kgs. of swiftlet dung plus 100kgs of ammonium bicarbonate. The aroma around the BH was absolute shit, birdshit to be exact. From day 1 as soon as I turned the sound on, the birds circled and entered almost all day long. As soon as my neighbour saw the birds , he too built a BH. In 1 year, I had over 8 standalone BHs build within 300m of mine. - ... not chemical (ammonia bicarbonate) inside BH, please. Why bought so many type of "shit"? "shit" = "aroma" so be wise when choosing the right aroma.

Can anyone offer me a miracle cure to populate my now unvisited and therefore unpopulated nesting area I'll may be prepared to pay your price. - Why pay more if you can get the basic requirment right in the first place - LOCATION, DESIGN & SOUNDS right you are 90% to successful.. add 5% of AROMA you are 95% success .. pratice good management you are 99.9% SUCCESS！0.01% unknow X-factor

If my memory served me well, it was about 2 or 3 years back When Love Potion formulation was discovered by me. Some of them asked me for the formula of Love Potion but I refused to give it them...

Aroma Challenge.

I am thinking of conducting an experiment on the effectiveness of aromas in the market and I am willing to award RM5000.00 to the successful one....

just curious, have you tested your own LP formulation?
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