Hi ,

I suggest Hendri mulia book .. You can get if from Jimlee at jimlly73@yahoo.com

guys, My BH last 4 months around 1.3k nest. 800 nests in the 1st floor. after 4 months, it increased to 1k nests. Mean 4 months increase 200 nests only. Is that normal? We harvest like 20 days once. Hopefully can see more increment on 2nd floor tomorrow.

Hi Friend you should be over the moon. This increase is what we term X factor. PPL in Trock is claiming success with 50 nesting 1.5 yearssss !!!

Pls keep quiet don't advertise to the robber or some Sufi will contact you and inspect your BH and tell you to put in useless VIP rooms and 1000 more speakers to get one more 1000 birds one more for each speakers. HAHAHA. This will screw up your amp. Then your birds will say bye bye!!

Just maintain your BH and prevent invasion from OWLS ,RATS,ANTS and by natural population growth you should be laughing all the way to the bank.

Try changing your external sound every now and then to keep the birds interested. The more birds circling your BH will definate pull more of these flock animals towards your BH and hopefully will stay.

Thank Ben, actually my birdhouse floor is made of concrete but humidity has been on the high side all the time. Some people suggest to open more ventilation holes, but the problem is its wall and not easy to hack open again. I am also worried if more work done to renovate the building, the few hundred birds will be scared and start shifting to other birdhouses.

I still remember you when Pak Hen conducted course here in Pulau Kapas, Kuala Terengganu more than 3 ago already. Can you help me to get some sound from Pak Hen for my own use. Thought of changing to new sound for external and internal but I only have 2 types only. What if I fix another hexagonal speakers on roof top?

Thanks very much for your assistance.

Mois,

from the above,

1. Your BH was 1.3K nests ( approximated 180 nests then 800 nests (6 kgs) @ 1st.Floor after 4months and you said only increment to 1 Kg, so how many nests of your's is 1Kg? Your information isn't correct or I am fooled.

2. To me, any increment @ lower floor is normal and if the increment is @ upper floor, then you may need to correct your entrance to your lower floor so that you may experience the same increment for the upper floor or maybe your sound isn't doing it's job.

3. If 4 months, increment of 200 nests is very good as most of the present new BHs don't have this story to tell. Congratulation!

4. You harvest every 20 days, from that I believe that you must be doing selective harvesting but some time of the year, it's impossible to do 20 days harvesting as there will be no fledged bird nests to harvest.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 16 2010, 11:46 AM

thanks calvinswiflet

but i missed this out, i need those books in Chinese, any idea where to get?

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[today only u know u sound too much ah...me years back aready see see ******* know who i,m la
malaysia nest industrail many things many people donno yet even u also same i dare to say,,,perli ..

consultant ah??if he is good ah he him self should be harvesting 50kg abouve n every month dancing in chang ping aready...still have to stay at hot sun n nail yr bird house mea????]

Got the above personal PM. So, may I just add what I believe..

Just like fortune teller and if he is really good, he should be super rich and need not give consultation. What the writer mean is that if the Consultant is really good, he is already a very wealthy man, with billions and why need to stand under the hot sun to help you make your million dollars dream comes true. Like D.B and J.C, they should make very good consultants but they aren’t and why???? Because they are super rich BHs owners to even consider teaching you or should I say “wasting time on you” to earn peanuts. I also will not do consultation work but just loiter around here to try to help if I can for the birds, I would say.

So, to the above gentleman, I will say, the consultant may not have the money or the consultant know the trade only or worst, if the consultant is really good but luckless like a professional gamble who know every tricks in the buz and know his chance well and still lose because even if hundreds to one chance that he lose, he still lose.

Good Consultants/contractors are a contributing factor for the newbuz who know nothing or every little of the trade. So, Newbiz pay to learn and hopefully, he has been guided well to success. Also, for the failed ones, a good consultant who know his job can help alot as in most cases @ good location, it's the every small thng that we missed out.

What I like the most is a good contractor who know his BH well to build you one that is what I call, “Swiftlets Friendly”, a true sanctuary for swiftlets……that way, your chance of getting swiftlets better, faster and more. Thing like location, surrounding, nature forces to the type of material used are really very importance to building a successful BH.

Lastly, since the writer is reading our postings and he know “ Exporting EBN” very well and he maybe able to help those who want to sell EBN oversea by posting what he experianced or maybe if he is going to take you all for a study trip to learn “How To Exporting EBN” and if he is conducting it, I shall recommend to join his study group as you all will surely learn the right ways as well as the wrong ways of exporting EBN.

So, first to Indo, HK and Can to learn, then to CP to dance and relax and that’s life according to the writer above ???????

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Added on December 19, 2010, 5:38 pmBH'e entrance is very important to the success of a BH as recently, a friend of mine has decided to do what I recommended to him a year ago after my visit to his BH. Then, his BH has 2 hundreds nests after 2 years.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 19 2010, 05:41 PM

WW,

Good consultants do not have to boast. The result speaks for itself.

Hi one of my BH built 500 meters from the river and high water table suffer same problem as I failed to put on a layer of PVC sheets before pouring on the concrete floor. In fact I found water droplets on the ventilaters and celing on the ground floor. the fungus growth was severe.

I laid on a layer of PVC sheets and a I inch sq.chicken wire then randier on about two inches on molter. This solved the humidity problem. All this was done on one morning and the door of the BH was left open and closed back at 4 pm. There were no noticeable ill effect to the birds populations. My workman wipe every NP with damp cloths . I sprayed on H3N1. I have been using this product for the last 2 and half years supplied by Pak Han on trial and free of charge. I achieved 53 nests in 8 months and the BH have since been sold.

Our group all Pak Han's students has the privilege and advantage of using H3N1 while it was still on trial. My shared BH with Prof. yap in Kuching more the 100 nests 10 months. Prof Yap's BH in Jemokan 600 nest a 1.5 years. J Tan Daro 1000 nests 1.5 years . pls google Swiftlets4U and see video. Capt L.. BH in Sabah ( turned Key By the writer ) 131 nests in 8 months. Two BH for Datuk H. In Sabah 50 nests in 5 months each.

So far I have not found any dead birds in any of these H3N1 BH mentioned above but on the contry the birds population keep increasing. In fact Just inspected another turn key BH in Tuaran today together with the owner. The 5 months old Bh has 33 nests and established Markings and BH handed over to Owner for self management.

Uncle WW Your comment has always been treasured by Me and many readers. Your writing is always helpful and with one motive which is to help others .

WW is the BEST!!!

This post has been edited by mfyapp: Dec 20 2010, 08:27 AM

BH Entrance is very important to the success of a BH as recently, a friend of mine has decided to do what I recommended to him after my visit to his BH a year ago. Then, his BH has 2 hundreds nests after 2 years.

On inspection, I found that the area was very good but his BH's entrance was really bad, so bad that the birds need to do " S " to enter..............but he was happy with the birds population of 200 birds. What I told him was that his result was because his area is good and that he is very lucky person.

After another year, his increment is very low and so he decide to improve his entrance hole with the help of a contractor and walao, immediately, to his surprise, he saw the birds rushing into his BH and he is very please with the outcome.

Here, we learn that how success is your BH must also depend on location and time of the year so never compare with BH with another area. Base your success with nearby BH will be a more appropriate scale or judgment.

My view to share.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 20 2010, 02:07 PM

my swiftlet farming blog, hope my sharing will be helpful to all swiftlet farming fans.

http://swiftletfarmingtech.blogspot.com

This post has been edited by philipbn: Dec 20 2010, 02:33 PM

Hi all,

my JV BH is nearly complete with 1 week+ more of finishing work to go.
The purple "taiwan humidifier" is much bigger than I expected from the photos I seen online.

Is there anything to modify on this equiptment ???
I have seen in the earlier pages of V1 and another blog that it can cause the cement floor around it to become "wet".
There are solutions such as circular styrofoam cutout, plastic bottle cutout, T shape pipe but my mentor say don't need to put.


Thanks in advance.

Please comment about aroma aerosol after use ...isit aerosol harming bird ? I been using aroma h3n1 about 1 year plus and didn't see the side effect Or any bird die suddenly because of aerosol aroma .. Someone outside talk bad about aerosol aroma and i need to verify the true

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Added on December 20, 2010, 7:21 pmThis comment are from JTan in Sarawak


1 year 3 months using H3N1,my BH birds count now stay above 3200 level (peak at 4480 on 2nd Oct.2010) with nests over 1000 in 1.7 months ( Nov.2010), I already do selective harvesting (5 Kgs) since March 2010~Nov 2010. the number tell ....

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Added on December 20, 2010, 7:22 pm
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well i use few cans oredi... so far so good.. no birds died, no lizards died,... not even a fly died my bh... i believe not all canister like aerosol use same ingredients ,, my wife use facial spray like evian water spray... i dont think it containts wat it said in the blog.. if it really does,..then she shud quit using, then evian facial water shudnt be sold in guardian, watson etc lor...
juz my 2 cents..

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Added on December 20, 2010, 7:23 pm
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our aerosol using oxygen ,safe for birds. we are not using LPG , we are very understand about the swiftlet to be safe . new aerosol technology is using oxygen ..no harm for bird even human ..pak hen dont want to comment boz he dont wan ppl say he is defense he product ... any other user from KPW member pls comment ... thanks

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Added on December 20, 2010, 7:25 pmhenmulia
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Just to remind us, this photo uploaded by DAVE. You can see the insect grow on the can. If aerosol can poisoning birds, sure the insect will die first.

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Dari awal produk aerosol heni , pak hen memberikan saya gratis selama 1 tahun penuh . tidak saya temukkan ada walet yang mati atau pingsan bila mendekati aroma tersebut.
kalau boleh tahu website mana yang menyatakan kalau mengunakkan aerosol bisa membuat walet mati?
kemungkinan aroma yang dijual tidak bagus dan tidak laku , maka dijelekkan aroma heni dengan alasan apapun.

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Added on December 20, 2010, 7:31 pmWe all know those two SOUR GRAPES .One was trying to get stock for sale and was not entertained. Now come up with a story by some unqualified speculator and without any scientific prove And try to use this as a weapon to distory other's product.

Only a fool will belief the tons of testimony that was sign bu Mr. T any Mr. Y praising their products and so on . These are all self written Testimony . Judge for your self the style of writing .

I wonder why they are doing this as the market is huge and a big pie for all . Oh by the way they are also Pak Han's students like myself and that was not very long ago !! Their memory is short and forget the source of their drinking water.

Beware Bad Kama is coming your way !! Just wait and see !!!

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Added on December 20, 2010, 7:34 pmDari pertama RBW sy berdiri , sy menggunakan H3N1 pada saat itu kaleng belum ada Merk hanya ketikan kertas yg di tempelkan di bawah tabung dari mulai burung baru 18 ekor sampai skrg 437 ekor.
saya tdk pernah menemukan burung walet sy mati.
Saya juga sdh membuktikan dng batu Apung di semprot H3N1,burung malah membuat sarang.
Jadi apabila ada berita di luar yg mengatakan bahwa Aerosol H3n1 yg di keluarkan oleh Mr Hen Mulia dapat membuat burung mati atau kabur sy yakin bahwa itu berita bohong.



HA.HA...HA..HA..HA...HA...HA...

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Ha ha ha...Lelucon apa pula yang menyatakan aerosol H3N1 bisa membuat walet mati ??? itu tandanya yang 'mengatakan' takut kalo orang-orang tahu kalo rahasia H3N1 pada kenyataannya bisa meningkatkan populasi...saya juga memakai H3N1 dibeberapa lokasi berbeda...tidak pernah menemukan walet mati disekitarnya tu...kalo eek walet banyakkkkk....




This post has been edited by calvinswiftlet: Dec 20 2010, 07:35 PM

Sour grapes sour grapes sour grapes. Capt. L..'s BH sound on 19.4.10 last week counted 131 nests. This BH use H3N1 exclusively . Just Harvested 15 nests for Christmas . Eat your heart out. HAHAHA.

hi ben ,


good result ... harvest some for me ..heheehe if i have time will going to sabah visit you ..than cook for me ..hahaha

There is a cover for the Taiwanese humidifier that you may want to use for the wet floor problem and should be good according to friends using them. The cost for the plastic cover having 4 outlets is approximate Rm80 per pc and you may DIY..... which I did costing RM15 but surely crude lah.

By all mean, buy and many sites are selling them and I believe where you buy your humidifier, you may get them there, too.

Case study on the cover, it solve the problem of wet floor as well as birds accidentally hit by the humidifier but lesser mist.... remember to buy the latest model, the one with a "J" outlets.

After some years of using the humidifier, you may need to change the noisy bearing or the condenser of the unit but the cost is cheap, just a few ringgit each and you may DIY.

Agrees with ww the plastic covers I bought from Sam Gan are great. The improved version is even better.

Few points How high is your BH celling ? If celling is more then 10 ft high then you don't have a problem. With a damp spot and fungus growth directly on the top of the humidifier . You can remove the fan and it works equally well.

What is essential is a timer . Say start running your chicken humidify starting at 9 am
in the morning for 15 mins every 2 hours interval till 6 pm. If you do not achieve the desired humidity then increase the operation time. If you run them for the whole day then then you will have a wet floor.

The temp. Of your bh will remain stable if the floor is very wet but once the floor start to dry up and a damp floor the temp. Will rise and feel very stuffy and you may loss some birds.

What ever you do don't put on those colorful tar base floor cover you get from the hardware store. One such BH in Sabah was advise by you know who , to do just that and most of the birds run away. I was fortunate to have just built and commissioned a BH about 1 KM away and you guest right. 100 birds moved in and this BH Has 33 nests in 4 months.

Good Luck

Sad story to tell, for the last few days, a few BH in the town has been broken into and lost of birds life and eggs.

So, you need to take precaution if your BH is in the same roll as a hotel or workers residence. Build up a dividing wall, better safe than sorry later.

All 2 storey BH @ town is never safe and some of my friends having such BHs are harvesting their nests like nobody business but that never solve the problem. They must prevent the stealing of nests instate of trying to harvesting earlier than the thieves cos this will only damage to the population of the BH.

If you don't want or can't solve the problem, better sell off the BH @ good price and let someone handle the problem as you surely have no future with such harvesting of nests....I would say a waste of good Fong Sui....

Just last month, one BH owner sell a few Kilos of mostly 1 finger nests and what's a shame; so wasteful and his reply was that if he doesn't harvest, someone else will do it for him. Why not try to prevent it rather than to steal your own nests from the rightful owners, the swiftlets themselves.

By doing so, you are just like having cancer and although you may not die now but then, how many years you think you can harvest....3 or 10 years or until most of your old birds die or migrate......they do but seldom and reluctantly, I assure you.

People like me can only give advice but then, your future belong to you and only you alone can help yourself. The saying goes" God only help those who help themselves": and me, not even a fairy but a fellow human being.