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post Dec 28 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(kulatkia @ Dec 28 2011, 09:51 AM)
I guess this 6.7/100km(1.6 Auto) was quote by Hunydai manufacturer and no surprise is only the same wat Kia quote their Forte as 6.6 litre/100km(1.6 Auto). but when come to real life everything should expect slightly higher. Personal thought i just wish Elantra can have lower FC as compare to Forte so that i have to kick out my consideration on forte  rclxub.gif
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u can get the figure for forte when 100% on highway.. speed 90-120
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(ngweichoong @ Dec 28 2011, 02:25 PM)
Another bullshit comment . Government force the consumer to buy the new car with higher price actually is good for 2nd value, WTF comment  ??? Why you don't think monthly installment for 5 year loan in other country same as 9 loan installment in Malaysia when after impose the tax ?
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I am not defending the govt for imposing tax.

The fact is that when I meet my friends in other country. They still blame their govt or their policy where their current car got no value at all.
Lastly some of them had to scrap their current car and some family own more than 5 cars which also involve cost.

After all there are no country in this world where U can get all win-win situation by owning a car.

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post Dec 28 2011, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(ngweichoong @ Dec 28 2011, 02:25 PM)
Another bullshit comment . Government force the consumer to buy the new car with higher price actually is good for 2nd value, WTF comment  ??? Why you don't think monthly installment for 5 year loan in other country same as 9 loan installment in Malaysia when after impose the tax ?


Added on December 28, 2011, 2:35 pm
Yes, i agree. Actually i have change my mind to replace my 13 years car with Elantra. I prefer to save my money and looking for the next brand .Because :
1. The price not compatible at all.
2. No one know the car quality after assembly by local plan
3. The spare part lead time since Elantra still new in Malaysia. I don't want take the risk to leave the car at workshop just waiting for spare park.
4. The Sime Darby service is like a shit.
5. The Hyundai/Sime Darby  assume the people who are waiting for Elantra 2011 like a dummy.
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bro, dont look to far,just look at singapore..they pay 10 year loan for car u know?
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Dec 28 2011, 08:52 AM)
these numbers are combined? they look quite ok. u can take vw numbers as a bench mark, but some will say it is not fair. but i feel it is how a company makes the engine. merc e class coming soon with hybrid is about 4.9 or so L/km. for those who ask lower or higher better, this one lower better.nissan on sylphy uses km/L another way of calculating, so with this avante shoulkd get about 13 to 15km / L i assume. in fact the more the better.
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'Extra urban'. Before someone say I am using Chinaman's term.
QUOTE(kulatkia @ Dec 28 2011, 09:51 AM)
I guess this 6.7/100km(1.6 Auto) was quote by Hunydai manufacturer and no surprise is only the same wat Kia quote their Forte as 6.6 litre/100km(1.6 Auto). but when come to real life everything should expect slightly higher. Personal thought i just wish Elantra can have lower FC as compare to Forte so that i have to kick out my consideration on forte  rclxub.gif
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I have not yet test driven the Elantra before, but from past experience I am able to get 20% more fuel efficiency out of the Sonata and Tucson, I am quite confident I am able to do the same with the Elantra.
QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 10:34 AM)
Isnt re-education the key word in your Korean car world? Why follow a customer's whims when its clearly the wrong way? Re-education doesnt happen overnight the same way you cant expect people to suddenly jump over to Korean makes despite its better looks and specs. This will take time. But if you give up after the first few tries then whats the point? Those customers of yours are used to the WRONG system of measuring FC as many ppl are. The same with the full tank issue. But slowly you can educate them and they in turn will educate others and within a few years you'll get many ppl on the same page. But going back on your efforts and stating sen/KM will only take that re-education process back another 5 years. Stop doing it.Besides, are those FC rates for combined driving or 100% highway drives? It looks like 100% highway drives. If its for combined i would find that very hard to believe. Just for comparison, the 2003 model Vios (which is known for its good FC) only gets 6.5L/100km for 100% highway drives.
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Combined, or should I say, extra urban?

The thing about re-education is, you need to apply old knowledge to your 'reeducation'. Forcing people to accept a new thinking without adapting them to their current state of mind is called brainwashing. Before you say I am using the wrong system, you should check back a few pages where I posted a picture of me driving the Tucson at 8.8L/100km. That is the same picture I show to my real life customer whenever the questions of fuel efficiency comes up, they'll then ask how much is that in term of cent/km which I'll then tell.

No point using terms that will only confuse customers, even though it the 'correct' way of saying it.

Same for fuel tank, I always answer in litres, then in $ term if they asked, and I don't go all technical Nazi telling my customer that he or she must use litre capacity and not how much per full tank.

You guys are sure fast to jump to the conclusion that I used the wrong term wink.gif. I've always used L/100km since... Forever? Same goes for English, if your friend is not fluent in english, do you expect him to speak a perfect sentence before you accept his words?
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(hazremi @ Dec 28 2011, 04:20 PM)
bro, dont look to far,just look at singapore..they pay 10 year loan for car u know?
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Yes, i agree. In Singapore may need to pay high tax for buying the new car.
BUT the different is you can get any where in Singapore with public transport, in Malaysia you can't.
If i can chose, i'm don't mind without car if the public transport is convenience for me to office every day.
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Dec 28 2011, 03:17 PM)
I am not defending the govt for imposing tax.

The fact is that when I meet my friends in other country. They still blame their govt or their policy where their current car got no value at all.
Lastly some of them had to scrap their current car and some family own more than 5 cars which also involve cost.

After all there are no country in this world where U can get all win-win situation by owning a car.
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I don't know how bad is the second hand value ofr used car in those country, but in my opinion if they want to change car every 1-2 years, they need to anticipate a huge loss or otherwise just don't change new car if cannot afford.
If they can buy a good quality car which can last longer at a much cheaper price than here, why they still need to change it after short period. When your car is 7years or older, second hand value is not relevant anymore coz you have bought it cheap in the first place.
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(sochaiapk @ Dec 28 2011, 03:32 PM)
I don't know how bad is the second hand value ofr used car in those country, but in my opinion if they want to change car every 1-2 years, they need to anticipate a huge loss or otherwise just don't change new car if cannot afford.
If they can buy a good quality car which can last longer at a much cheaper price than here, why they still need to change it after short period. When your car is 7years or older, second hand value is not relevant anymore coz you have bought it cheap in the first place.
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In those country their insurance usually cost a bomb, and if you drive a sports car the insurance even crazier

I have a friend with an integra in australia, his insurance cost 1/4 of his car value in the market. He pays 4 years can buy a new car.
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(ngweichoong @ Dec 28 2011, 02:25 PM)
Yes, i agree. Actually i have change my mind to replace my 13 years car with Elantra. I prefer to save my money and looking for the next brand .Because :
1. The price not compatible at all.
2. No one know the car quality after assembly by local plan
3. The spare part lead time since Elantra still new in Malaysia. I don't want take the risk to leave the car at workshop just waiting for spare park.
4. The Sime Darby service is like a shit.
5. The Hyundai/Sime Darby  assume the people who are waiting for Elantra 2011 like a dummy.
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In my experience using my family Inokom Matrix and Inokom Getz, their local built quality so far not bad at all. (The car itself is not very good; not the quality)
Same as their BMW CKD which they assemble here in Msia. If it's bad, I dont think BMW will give license to Inokom rite..
I expect Msian version Elantra will be same.

Luckily for me, I had drive wide range of car either it's expensive like Merc/BMW, japanese or cheap car like Kancil that belong to my family members.
What I can say Sime Darby service not too bad either. Much better than EON or Perodua where usually got long waiting period & very busy. It may not good as Honda or Toyota but so far I see their improving.
Few 3S centre are plan to built throughout nation next yr.

About spare part lead time? Maybe U r rite about that.
Any new car usually hard to get spare part. It will hurt U more when U using CBU car or any car that cost more than RM200K when there are not many owning it although it's japanese or german car.
Sometimes it take 1 month, sometimes in take months.
I had experience it before.


Added on December 28, 2011, 3:46 pm
QUOTE(JC999 @ Dec 28 2011, 03:35 PM)
In those country their insurance usually cost a bomb, and if you drive a sports car the insurance even crazier

I have a friend with an integra in australia, his insurance cost 1/4 of his car value in the market. He pays 4 years can buy a new car.
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True..

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post Dec 28 2011, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(JC999 @ Dec 28 2011, 03:35 PM)
In those country their insurance usually cost a bomb, and if you drive a sports car the insurance even crazier

I have a friend with an integra in australia, his insurance cost 1/4 of his car value in the market. He pays 4 years can buy a new car.
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good, because they calculate the insurance premium even based on whether you park your car on the roadside.

here the insurance law are so fxxxed up, so when you bang ppl, you can just smile and leave. you talk louder, you win, you wanna claim , go report police la, just like that.


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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 28 2011, 03:50 PM)
good, because they calculate the insurance premium even based on whether you park your car on the roadside.

here the insurance law are so fxxxed up, so when you bang ppl, you can just smile and leave. you talk louder, you win, you wanna claim , go report police la, just like that.
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Government just trying to artifically suppress the inflation la.. thats y they fix it, well if any case go and claim make sure the insurance company pays for it.

Looking at our fake Consumer Price Index is so depressing, seems like we having less than 5% inflation
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(JC999 @ Dec 28 2011, 03:56 PM)
Government just trying to artifically suppress the inflation la.. thats y they fix it, well if any case go and claim make sure the insurance company pays for it.

Looking at our fake Consumer Price Index is so depressing, seems like we having less than 5% inflation
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post Dec 28 2011, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 28 2011, 01:05 PM)
Dont understand why u guys can argue on a car that is not gonna sell well in msia. It looks fluidic but step inside and its all cheapo material plus the usual unrefined korean drivetrain.

After arguing so long, bet hardly any of u will buy this junk

And this elantra looks like a dugong too. If vios is baby dugong, this is papa dugong.. Kia optima design still acceptable but drivetrain is crap and interior looks so cheapskate for that money
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I don't understand what you mean by crappy drivetrain on the Optima. In what way is it crap? Pls enlighten me, for as far as I can tell, both the Optima 2.0 Dual CVVT Theta II and the Elantra's Nu 1.8 MPI are setting new standards unmatched even by the Japs.
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post Dec 28 2011, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 28 2011, 01:05 PM)
Dont understand why u guys can argue on a car that is not gonna sell well in msia. It looks fluidic but step inside and its all cheapo material plus the usual unrefined korean drivetrain.

After arguing so long, bet hardly any of u will buy this junk

And this elantra looks like a dugong too. If vios is baby dugong, this is papa dugong.. Kia optima design still acceptable but drivetrain is crap and interior looks so cheapskate for that money
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Your eyes got problem
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post Dec 28 2011, 05:53 PM

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post Dec 28 2011, 09:01 PM

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This is Korea spec, so don't take everything as it will be. smile.gif

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post Dec 28 2011, 09:06 PM

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post Dec 28 2011, 09:19 PM

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some jokers here must have damn good connection with these koreans car manufacturers, car yet to be launched but can give opinion about drivetrain.
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 28 2011, 04:52 PM)
I don't understand what you mean by crappy drivetrain on the Optima. In what way is it crap? Pls enlighten me, for as far as I can tell, both the Optima 2.0 Dual CVVT Theta II and the Elantra's Nu 1.8 MPI are setting new standards unmatched even by the Japs.
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If that drivetain is made from japan, he will definitely says that its a well developed technology. Just that its fron korea, so...u know what i mean..hehe.

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 28 2011, 01:05 PM)
Dont understand why u guys can argue on a car that is not gonna sell well in msia. It looks fluidic but step inside and its all cheapo material plus the usual unrefined korean drivetrain.

After arguing so long, bet hardly any of u will buy this junk

And this elantra looks like a dugong too. If vios is baby dugong, this is papa dugong.. Kia optima design still acceptable but drivetrain is crap and interior looks so cheapskate for that money
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fuyooh...this fella must be driving expensive car only huh?
but you are right, i think many of us might not be buying after argue so much....isnt thats the point? make sure u really want it before u buy it?

haha.....civic is uncle dugong? look about the same like elantra...saw it in SG.just my opinion.


Added on December 28, 2011, 10:18 pm
QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Dec 28 2011, 09:01 PM)
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This is Korea spec, so don't take everything as it will be. smile.gif
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how come so doggy video one? curi curi ? hahaa

hope they give the interface like the one in the video

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post Dec 28 2011, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(Humping^Panda @ Dec 28 2011, 10:08 PM)
how come so doggy video one? curi curi ? hahaa

hope they give the interface like the one in the video
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Actually no laugh.gif My stupid ipad casing giving it a spy effect.

By the way, it's 1.8 Nu Engine

This post has been edited by FluidicSculpture: Dec 28 2011, 10:23 PM

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