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Hardware The New MacBook/MacBook Pro/Air Users Thread v5, Share your joy and your pain here ;)

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post Jul 1 2010, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(terence8 @ Jul 1 2010, 03:49 PM)
hey.. just wanna ask my adapter indicate green light means fully charge but it only shown 98%..izzit normal?? and my MBP its only 2 day old..
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it'll go up to 100% after it drops to 95%, stadard safety feature for teh battery i guess.
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post Jul 1 2010, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Eithanius @ Jun 28 2010, 06:21 PM)
estimated around RM 540, bought online with an external case bundle... can consider good bargain already...

I'm not into benchmarking, but coming from a 5400rpm previously, I'd say my MBP is really much more responsive...

I haven't got time to test or play with it yet, still busy with work... sweat.gif


Added on June 28, 2010, 6:59 pmJust wanna add:

The drive is of course, slightly warmer due to faster spins. Can feel the warmth on the lower right palm rest area, but as for noise and vibration - none of a problem at all...

I've noticed my MBP fans spin up much more frequently but then again it could be due to the heavy data read/write from OS restoration and my ongoing work...
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I'm a little bit confused here. Why are some of you suggesting to charge it up right after you unbox it?
What if someone gets if directly from the Apple Store and unboxes it, setting it up with the help from those technicians.
Wouldn't it spoil the battery lifespan/capacity whatever it is since the ritual of charging 8-12-hour-before-use is not followed?
Could someone please clarify me about this matter?

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post Jul 2 2010, 11:00 AM

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there's no evidence to support this whole 8-12 hours. Apple > Batteries

over there it just says "charge fully" ... typically, you can charge to full within 4 hours... even while using.

seriously, please don't just accept what any forumers say about batteries & so on... do some research... forums = not always accurate.
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post Jul 2 2010, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(mannquin @ Jul 2 2010, 04:28 AM)
I'm a little bit confused here. Why are some of you suggesting to charge it up right after you unbox it?
What if someone gets if directly from the Apple Store and unboxes it, setting it up with the help from those technicians.
Wouldn't it spoil the battery lifespan/capacity whatever it is since the ritual of charging 8-12-hour-before-use is not followed?
Could someone please clarify me about this matter?
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For what it is worth, let me just relate to you the advice about the battery.

I had my battery replaced (under warranty) as it was not performing up to mark and when I collected my MBP, the service technician told me to use up the power in the battery before charging.

All new batteries will have some charge in them. Instead of immediately charging them when you get your Macbooks, as per the advice of the Apple technical personnel, let the power deplete before charging and if you like, even for 8 hours.
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again, where does the service tech get his information?
the correct explanation : please don't tl;dr here smile.gif

1. open your new Mac > start using / charging.
2. in the first few days (max is 7 days) charge till full, leave it for 2 hours, then use it it till empty. *empty means use it till it switches off automatically*
3. leave it on sleep for 5+ hours.
4. charge it again.

The entire process above is called calibration. I taught my colleagues to explain this to all new Mac buyers, and even print out the Apple KB article for those who need it.

Source : Apple Knowledge Base : HT1490

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post Jul 3 2010, 08:47 AM

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For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time. An ideal use would be a commuter who uses her MacBook Pro on the train, then plugs it in at the office to charge. This keeps the battery juices flowing.


a quick question: let's say i'm not always on the go with my mbp(maybe once in a month), because i probably use it when i'm at home where power outlets are literally everywhere, should i just plug in the power whenever i wanna use my mbp? or should i just use up a lil' power from battery before charging up again? but by doing this, aint that gonna induce unnecessary battery charging cycle?
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post Jul 3 2010, 09:24 AM

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i think only mac users have been so typical about mac battery life
others just dont give a f, their best trick is remove the battery, how lame
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Hey guys, any new Macbook user? Just need your input here. Is the casing easily scratch like some of the review mentioned? Thinking of either Macbook or Macbook Pro now....both almost same spec...only Pro is extra RAM, Aluminum body, better screen, Firewire and SD card....My usage is only for my office use, keynote, numbers, pages and emails. The only worries me is the body of the Macbook as I travel a lot to do presentations. All my Apple stuff have casings....like my iPod Classic, iPhone and also iPad....so I will definately get a casing as well for either Macbook or Macbook Pro so just need to know how easily the Macbook body gets scratch? Thanks.
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both also share same type of screen. differences is only
a) RAM
b) firewire
c) sd card slot
d) backlit keyboard
e) aluminium vs. polycarb
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QUOTE(idiotidiot @ Jul 3 2010, 08:47 AM)
a quick question: let's say i'm not always on the go with my mbp(maybe once in a month), because i probably use it when i'm at home where power outlets are literally everywhere, should i just plug in the power whenever i wanna use my mbp? or should i just use up a lil' power from battery before charging up again? but by doing this, aint that gonna induce unnecessary battery charging cycle?
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u can plug in all the time, as long as it's convenient for you. but u shud calibrate (see xaw1526's post above) once a week or fortnight or so. yes it'll induce unnecessary battery cycles, and calibration doesnt improve battery life at all. it's just a step to make sure OSX gets accurate info about ur battery.

QUOTE(RaymondT @ Jul 3 2010, 10:54 AM)
Hey guys, any new Macbook user? Just need your input here. Is the casing easily scratch like some of the review mentioned? Thinking of either Macbook or Macbook Pro now....both almost same spec...only Pro is extra RAM, Aluminum body, better screen, Firewire and SD card....My usage is only for my office use, keynote, numbers, pages and emails. The only worries me is the body of the Macbook as I travel a lot to do presentations. All my Apple stuff have casings....like my iPod Classic, iPhone and also iPad....so I will definately get a casing as well for either Macbook or Macbook Pro  so just need to know how easily the Macbook body gets scratch? Thanks.
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how easily is easily for you? plastic is plastic, no magic there tongue.gif u shud definitely get a casing if you're worried about scratches
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I really take care of my stuff. I mean I don't get things scratch easily. For example, my iPhone 3GS I've been using for 6 months and there's no scratch on the back at all except for a few scratches on the chrome part, my iPod classic been using for a year and no scratch at the back at all as well. I have both in casing since day 1. Just that after reading review from Engadget with the comment "it scratches like crazy. Seriously -- all we've really done with our review unit is take it out of the box, snap some photos, and move it around the office for a day, and the top looks like it's been attacked by a bear." This remark worries me. I mean I know plastic is plastic but the review makes the Macbook seems like plasticine if you know what I mean. smile.gif
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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jul 2 2010, 03:58 PM)
again, where does the service tech get his information?
the correct explanation : please don't tl;dr here smile.gif

1. open your new Mac > start using / charging.
2. in the first few days (max is 7 days) charge till full, leave it for 2 hours, then use it it till empty. *empty means use it till it switches off automatically*
3. leave it on sleep for 5+ hours.
4. charge it again.

The entire process above is called calibration. I taught my colleagues to explain this to all new Mac buyers, and even print out the Apple KB article for those who need it.

Source : Apple Knowledge Base : HT1490
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I believe majority of us knows about calibrating the battery. In my case, I actually did what you stated, which I know about of course and somehow my battery had the 'health' issue. But taking cognizance of the technician's advice, thus far the health of my battery is still 100%. Again, rightly or wrongly, they are supposed to be in the know technically and therefore for people like me would take heed of their advice.

In any event, since there are so many versions of how to keep the battery in good health, albeit without too much variation, I suppose each owner will have to do what they believe is best.
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QUOTE(RaymondT @ Jul 3 2010, 01:47 PM)
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I really take care of my stuff. I mean I don't get things scratch easily. For example, my iPhone 3GS I've been using for 6 months and there's no scratch on the back at all except for a few scratches on the chrome part, my iPod classic been using for a year and no scratch at the back at all as well. I have both in casing since day 1. Just that after reading review from Engadget with the comment "it scratches like crazy. Seriously -- all we've really done with our review unit is take it out of the box, snap some photos, and move it around the office for a day, and the top looks like it's been attacked by a bear." This remark worries me. I mean I know plastic is plastic but the review makes the Macbook seems like plasticine if you know what I mean.  smile.gif
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lol. my sis's macbook looks fine after 6 months, w/o cases. a few scratches la but not something i'd describe as been attacked by a bear tongue.gif

QUOTE(PeeEl @ Jul 3 2010, 01:53 PM)
I believe majority of us knows about calibrating the battery. In my case, I actually did what you stated, which I know about of course and somehow my battery had the 'health' issue. But taking cognizance of the technician's advice, thus far the health of my battery is still 100%. Again, rightly or wrongly, they are supposed to be in the know technically and therefore for people like me would take heed of their advice.

In any event, since there are so many versions of how to keep the battery in good health, albeit without too much variation, I suppose each owner will have to do what they believe is best.
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1st of all, u have to realize some 'technicians' dont know what they're talking about. some of them are still stuck with old rules like charging 8 hours before using etc.

calibrating the battery doesnt make your battery healthy, it just to make sure OSX and the battery understands each other. that's why it's called "battery calibration" not "battery maintenance/improvement" etc. as for how to take care of ur battery, just dont let it heat up too much. in those cases where the reported battery health increased after calibration, it's because OSX realized that the battery health is better after calibration. battery health doesnt improve, it's a consumable, an irreversible process.

think of a car fuel gauge. a bad one may say ur tank is empty when actually it's full, and vice versa. a good one simply gives more accurate info about ur fuel, it doesnt actually increase ur fuel

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Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns.


Batteries with fuel gauge (laptops) should be calibrated by applying a deliberate full discharge once every 30 charges. Running the pack down in the equipment does this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate and in some cases cut off the device prematurely.


Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.


Consider removing the battery from a laptop when running on fixed power. (Some laptop manufacturers are concerned about dust and moisture accumulating inside the battery casing.)


Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.


If you have a spare lithium-ion battery, use one to the fullest and keep the other cool by placing it in the refrigerator. Do not freeze the battery. For best results, store the battery at 40% state-of-charge.


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is the info about age of your mac provided by coconut battery correct or the otherwise?

i just got my mac today and it says my mac is 4 weeks old.
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QUOTE(yeahs4.1 @ Jul 4 2010, 03:13 AM)
is the info about age of your mac provided by coconut battery correct or the otherwise?

i just got my mac today and it says my mac is 4 weeks old.
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It show the date of manufactured, not the day you start using it.
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Hi guys. Need an opinion from u guys. I need to buy a laptop for my sis. She wants the MacBook white color and I heard the white one will get cracked easily. Is it true?

I'm using the mbp so I'm not sure about the MacBook.

The reason she wants the MacBook is because it's white and looks better than the mbp. And if I decide to get the MacBook, should I upgrade the ram from 2gb to 4gb ?

Thanks
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QUOTE(ksc_3688 @ Jul 4 2010, 12:43 PM)
Hi guys. Need an opinion from u guys. I need to buy a laptop for my sis. She wants the MacBook white color and I heard the white one will get cracked easily. Is it true?

I'm using the mbp so I'm not sure about the MacBook.

The reason she wants the MacBook is because it's white and looks better than the mbp. And if I decide to get the MacBook, should I upgrade the ram from 2gb to 4gb ?

Thanks
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obviously plastic is easier to crack compared to aluminium. else, it shud be like any other plastic laptop out there. another thing to consider...white macbook is definitely harder to keep looking clean, esp the rubber bottom part

maybe better buy a mbp 13" with white casing? tongue.gif

RAM depends on what she does of course. the only time i need 4gb is when i have a VM running. else, 2gb is enough.
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i used macbook for more than a week now. all functions is good and really satisfy with the quality except for:
1. a red stuck pixel. feels like crazy when looking at it.
2. no cut-paste function. i used moveAddict software. so no problem anymore.
3. huge memory consumption.
4. cannot close lid while letting my macbook on.

maybe im not quite familiar with mac because before this i used windows and ubuntu. can anyone can give me opinions? thanks.

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