Graneon, I don't know about yr background. I think u r the type that try to pick bones in an egg. Put on a thinking cap and be constructive in criticism. Let me educate u -

1st lesson, no one ask u to ask for their cash flow or contract details. U don't even understand the basic rights of a consumer. U don't have the right to know the technical details of how the construction is carried out but U definitely has every right to know from them how they will progress. When I first bought my two condos (of course not at the sametime) in Sunway area, i was a green horn and was worry sick. I took the trouble to make friends with the clerk-of-works at the construction sites and got the works programme respectively. Why treat it so secretive (unles there is a real problem)?? By the way, do u know who the hell are clerk-of-works??

Lesson 2, i can see that u don't have the slightest clue of what is construction financial risk management. U will go bust if u r a contractor. It is such a fool to delay construction to the last 1.5 year or u dare say 1 yr. Do u know how the cost of construction material escalate year by year? Hv u heard of the steel crisis? Developer has smart people to calculate risk. What is known, it is calculated risk. What is unknown, fools will take the risk. So what r the non calculated risks - escalation in construction material cost, escalation in risk in the delay handover as the penalty to purchasers is 10%, escalation in the cost of resources due to longer management period etc..  U may be smart to say, buy first and take delivery later. There is premium to pay with this method of material delivery. Feel free to rate yourself in project management skill.

Lesson 3, do u know how much the developer can save if the project is handed over in 2 years instead of 3?? Let me give u a valued education. Project handover in 2 yrs and the developer continues 1.5 yrs of payback from date of handing over. And what that means, put on your thinking cap - the developer save one solid year of interest they have guaranteed to foot. By the way, r u good in mathematics??

So, be constructive in comment and be diplomatic.
p.s. i wanted to ignore u but feel u need education.
Cheers,

For everyone's information, I will seek advise from the ministry of housing on the Park Avenue project. It would be best if i can go to the ministry by person but unfortunately i am away. Will try to find out the contact/email of the housing ministry. Anyone has website, please post it to the forum. If i can get back to M'sia and speak in person with the right guy there, it will be helpful. This will happen only in 3 to 4 months' time.

The question i can expect from the ministry is how can i be sure that the project is actually behind schedule. I can't say so and so in the developer's office said so. I anticipate they will ask for proof before they entertain me. I would really appreciate if someone can get hold of the construction scheduled plan (if they don't have the works programme - which is MUST in project execution).

Forming a committee is one option but it would be an unlicensed one. Hope the developer will entertain the committe. Anyone care to initiate on this?? Please post in the forum that you support the move and ACTION. NO POINT GUESSING, HOPING THING WILL BE OK or GIVING UNCONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS/CRITICISM. Be diplomatic, life has a long way to go.

So, can we have some show of support?????????????

Cheers

walaueh now construction schedule plan pulak, somemore got ministry, committee, diplomatic...who r u kidding. I only got 1 advise for u....DO IT YOURSELF......u gonna be an epic legend, albeit phailed one. 

sorry graneon

i think you bully many ppl here
but at that time i don't even pitty anybody hit for what you gain

but if kem1120 is really do as what he says, im gonna have to support him
not in my life cycle to discourage him if it is for our own good, the 1120 purchaser

walaueh project is not even 1 year old, some smart ppl already TALK about ministry, committee and press pressure. dont u think its a bit premature....btw i will arrange for a meeting with HDA and housing ministry or mayb pm's department but that will also be in 3 to 4 months time since i'm also overseas now.

kemkem, I 100% SUPPORK YOU....gambatei
now what's next?

For everyone's information, I will seek advise from the ministry of housing on the Park Avenue project. It would be best if i can go to the ministry by person but unfortunately i am away. Will try to find out the contact/email of the housing ministry. Anyone has website, please post it to the forum. If i can get back to M'sia and speak in person with the right guy there, it will be helpful. This will happen only in 3 to 4 months' time.

The question i can expect from the ministry is how can i be sure that the project is actually behind schedule. I can't say so and so in the developer's office said so. I anticipate they will ask for proof before they entertain me. I would really appreciate if someone can get hold of the construction scheduled plan (if they don't have the works programme - which is MUST in project execution).

Forming a committee is one option but it would be an unlicensed one. Hope the developer will entertain the committe. Anyone care to initiate on this?? Please post in the forum that you support the move and ACTION. NO POINT GUESSING, HOPING THING WILL BE OK or GIVING UNCONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS/CRITICISM. Be diplomatic, life has a long way to go.

So, can we have some show of support?????????????

Cheers

Dear All

please stop all speculations. Put yourself in the developer shoes. They have a big parcel of land and supposedly plan to sell phase by phase. But the demands were extremely good and they were caught in surprise. I believe they did not award the contract to contractor when they launched the project. It was definitely a surprise to them. therefore, they were spent their times on this.
Besides, if there are engineer in this forum, he/she must understand the site conditions. Look at the pile they used. These are expensive pile. Not many company in M'sia doing this kind of pile. Again, times needed to manufacture the piles. It cannot concrete the pile today and use tomorrow. It required certain setting time.
It also required longer time to do the piling at this kind of site condition. Don't push them if you want the solid foundation.

If you are worried, you should look at the developer background. He went through at least 3 crises. They have sold out all the units and i did not see them launching new project. The funds are there for them to construct the building. Unless, they are optimised the existing funds for other to-be-launched project. If this happen, the chances you and i will be stuck are high!!!
Anyway, i believe phase 1 buyers who purchased in Dec 09 may able to get some extra interests.

Dear All

please stop all speculations. Put yourself in the developer shoes. They have a big parcel of land and supposedly plan to sell phase by phase. But the demands were extremely good and they were caught in surprise. I believe they did not award the contract to contractor when they launched the project. It was definitely a surprise to them. therefore, they were spent their times on this.
Besides, if there are engineer in this forum, he/she must understand the site conditions. Look at the pile they used. These are expensive pile. Not many company in M'sia doing this kind of pile. Again, times needed to manufacture the piles. It cannot concrete the pile today and use tomorrow. It required certain setting time.
It also required longer time to do the piling at this kind of site condition. Don't push them if you want the solid foundation.

If you are worried, you should look at the developer background. He went through at least 3 crises. They have sold out all the units and i did not see them launching new project. The funds are there for them to construct the building. Unless, they are optimised the existing funds for other to-be-launched project. If this happen, the chances you and i will be stuck are high!!!
Anyway, i believe phase 1 buyers who purchased in Dec 09 may able to get some extra interests.

if the developer situation really like what u describe, means that they are really not in good planning, they don't have enough 'expensive piles' like you said, but they still launch all the units in short time frame, and now seems like gt trouble in construction in order to progress smoothly...how come a so experienced developer who went thru 3 crisis has such a poor management on the working schedule??...dun forget TALAM is also a major developer for a long time until they finally screw up...

wisma peter is just nearby, instead of keep looking on the site, it's better just go upstair knock on the door to find the peter' 3 daughters and ask for explaination....

Yes, you are right. But before look for explaination, get the right facts 1st , then pose the right question to the 3 daughters.