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limeuu
post Apr 23 2010, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 23 2010, 06:42 PM)
as someone mentioned earlier.. the medicals itself is good..if not why the government will send our students there and JPA approves their course..
jpa 'approval' has NOTHING to do with the quality of a course or qualification..........

gov send scholarship students because it is a cheap place......again that has nothing to do with quality.......

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post Apr 23 2010, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 23 2010, 08:11 PM)
jpa 'approval' has NOTHING to do with the quality of a course or qualification..........

gov send scholarship students because it is a cheap place......again that has nothing to do with quality.......
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then again...even more proving its not good..

but does it means that cheap unis is not good? i will leave that question for you to ponder. nod.gif
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post Apr 23 2010, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 23 2010, 08:29 PM)
then again...even more proving its not good..

but does it means that cheap unis is not good? i will leave that question for you to ponder. nod.gif
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i implied nothing about the relationship between cheap and quality.........

your implication is that russia must be good because the gov send scholarship stuidents there.........i am correcting that error by pointing out they choose russia because it is one of the cheapest place.......

consider this......they still send the TOP scholarship students (yes, even under scholarships, there are ranking) to uk and oz.........at 4 times the cost of russia.........why?..........
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post Apr 23 2010, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 23 2010, 09:23 PM)
i implied nothing about the relationship between cheap and quality.........

your implication is that russia must be good because the gov send scholarship stuidents there.........i am correcting that error by pointing out they choose russia because it is one of the cheapest place.......

consider this......they still send the TOP scholarship students (yes, even under scholarships, there are ranking) to uk and oz.........at 4 times the cost of russia.........why?..........
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by saying government sending them there does not imply they are good..just recognised by jpa...

if u noticed those who got sent to russia are those whose results are not so good in the first place, appealed through various organisations and finally the government agreed to send them there. indonesia is another place too. why?u mentioned it. both are cheap..
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post Apr 24 2010, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 23 2010, 06:42 PM)
as someone mentioned earlier.. the medicals itself is good..if not why the government will send our students there and JPA approves their course..
QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 23 2010, 09:26 PM)
by saying government sending them there does not imply they are good..just recognised by jpa...
you are contradicting yourself........
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post Apr 24 2010, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 24 2010, 12:00 AM)
you are contradicting yourself........
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haha.oh well...maybe my expression through typing still needs more improvement..
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 24 2010, 12:18 AM)
haha.oh well...maybe my expression through typing still needs more improvement..
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maybe you should just say you make a mistake and move on, instead of trying to defend an erroneous opinion and attempting to justify it.........
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post Apr 24 2010, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 23 2010, 05:22 PM)
Today's News:
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Rosnah said a drastic shortage of doctors was experienced in Sabah and Sarawak because many medical personnel were reluctant to be transferred to those states.
...that somewhat explains the high concentration of doctors in Peninsular Malaysia (eg; Selangor etc)
The government should have increased more Sabahans and Sarawakians for IPTA medical seats.
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Its a fine line Cyber. Sarawak and Sabah's population is not that big. Most Malayan's would rather die than come to East Malaysia. Just look at some of the threads about Swinburne Sarawak and Curtin Miri; them Malayans moan how far it is, but have no problem being sent to (say) UK to study if they had the chance.

Opening up more spaces in Sarawak/Sabah IPTA medical schools just means you get more mediocre Sarawakian/Sabahan students to fill the spaces that will probably be filled by Malayan's who will not stay in Sarawak/Sabah anyway.

Only Sarawakians will work in Sarawak, if they have the opportunities.
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post Apr 24 2010, 01:35 PM

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hi zstan, r u in medskol now?
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post Apr 24 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Apr 24 2010, 01:35 PM)
hi zstan, r u in medskol now?
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nope....decided not to after seeing the current conditions in the general hospitals... sweat.gif
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post Apr 24 2010, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 24 2010, 07:20 PM)
nope....decided not to after seeing the current conditions in the general hospitals... sweat.gif
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lol sorry zstan for quoting u again. What do u see in the general hospitals?
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post Apr 24 2010, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Apr 24 2010, 04:24 PM)
lol sorry zstan for quoting u again. What do u see in the general hospitals?
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ermmmm...for one..overcrowding...now u see one department or one big ward got about 30 housemen...and the ward is divided into few cubicles...each cubicle got about 3-4 housmen handling those patients but still they can kelam kabut one...

20 years ago..during my uncle's time who is now a surgeon...he is the only housemen in the whole ward...everything big and small he is also involved..

at his time he already handled appendicitis and some other minor operations..now those housemen go in OT just stand beside and look only..


so u can imagine the kind of training doctors receive nowadays and 20 years ago...it doesn't matter whether how hardworking are you..there is just not much chance to get proper training..medicine is not just textbooks and theories..you need to get your hands on the patient...and every single patient is different and unique....


but then some will not mind..more people=less work..and the government is making it worse by flooding the whole system by producing even more doctors...

my 2 cents.

This post has been edited by zstan: Apr 24 2010, 05:05 PM
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post Apr 24 2010, 06:56 PM

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Yeah, i love my hometown =) people do have misconceptions that sarawak is a jungle and stuff like that. haha~ it makes me laugh when they ask me "do you all still live on trees?" and i'll answer them "yes we do! we have wireless internet and lifts up our treehouses." =) but yes, I'll definitely go back to work one day.

QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 24 2010, 05:04 PM)
ermmmm...for one..overcrowding...now u see one department or one big ward got about 30 housemen...and the ward is divided into few cubicles...each cubicle got about 3-4 housmen handling those patients but still they can kelam kabut one...

20 years ago..during my uncle's time who is now a surgeon...he is the only housemen in the whole ward...everything big and small he is also involved..

at his time he already handled appendicitis and some other minor operations..now those housemen go in OT just stand beside and look only..
so u can imagine the kind of training doctors receive nowadays and 20 years ago...it doesn't matter whether how hardworking are you..there is just not much chance to get proper training..medicine is not just textbooks and theories..you need to get your hands on the patient...and every single patient is different and unique....
but then some will not mind..more people=less work..and the government is making it worse by flooding the whole system by producing even more doctors...

my 2 cents.
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Ah sorry to hear that this disheartened you. But IMHO, if this is the sole reason why your not going into med, then you've made the right choice, if you get what I mean. Still, I hope you're doing well in whatever your in now =) *and I love the pics in ur blog, how i envy photographers with their dslr =( I wish i have one.*

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post Apr 24 2010, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Apr 24 2010, 06:56 PM)
Yeah, i love my hometown =) people do have misconceptions that sarawak is a jungle and stuff like that. haha~ it makes me laugh when they ask me "do you all still live on trees?" and i'll answer them "yes we do! we have wireless internet and lifts up our treehouses." =) but yes, I'll definitely go back to work one day.
Ah sorry to hear that this disheartened you. But IMHO, if this is the sole reason why your not going into med, then you've made the right choice, if you get what I mean. Still, I hope you're doing well in whatever your in now =) *and I love the pics in ur blog, how i envy photographers with their dslr =( I wish i have one.*
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errr...that guy/girl asked what i thought about the public hospitals..not why i didn't take medicine..but yea..that's one of my concerns....

haha..thanks for ur admiration..can always go buy one ma..those entry levels one quite cheap....
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 24 2010, 09:25 PM)
errr...that guy/girl asked what i thought about the public hospitals..not why i didn't take medicine..but yea..that's one of my concerns....

haha..thanks for ur admiration..can always go buy one ma..those entry levels one quite cheap....
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re-quote your previous post: nope....decided not [go into medicine] to after seeing the current conditions in the general hospitals... (zstan 2010)

So my previous post was really pointing towards this statement, but of course it is linked to your post about what did you see in gen hosp. So i was saying, if this is your MAIN concern that lead you away, then you've made the right choice not going into med, imho, and of course not in a sarcastic manner.
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Apr 24 2010, 10:07 PM)
re-quote your previous post: nope....decided not [go into medicine] to after seeing the current conditions in the general hospitals... (zstan 2010)

So my previous post was really pointing towards this statement, but of course it is linked to your post about what did you see in gen hosp. So i was saying, if this is your MAIN concern that lead you away, then you've made the right choice not going into med, imho, and of course not in a sarcastic manner.
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haha.actually have a few MAIN concerns actually...but if you ask is that concern(overcrowded) my number one concern? i would say no. nod.gif
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post Apr 24 2010, 11:41 PM

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so if ur not doing med what are u planning to pursue? jz wanna ask if u dun mind biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cgan @ Apr 25 2010, 12:41 AM)
so if ur not doing med what are u planning to pursue? jz wanna ask if u dun mind  biggrin.gif
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If I am not mistaken, from his previous post he is doing pharmacy in Monash Malaysia now. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 25 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(cgan @ Apr 24 2010, 11:41 PM)
so if ur not doing med what are u planning to pursue? jz wanna ask if u dun mind  biggrin.gif
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erm..pharmacy in monash... nod.gif
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sorry if it's a repost
just pretty much a summary of what we've discussed so far

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