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haya
post Sep 13 2009, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Sep 13 2009, 12:28 PM)
Valens don't worry. Not ALL medical students will end up with a licence to save*or kill* lives. My lecturers did mention about the % of medical students failing to get their licence to practice, but sadly I've forgotten the actual figure.
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It is immaterial that "[n]ot ALL medical students will end up with a licence to[...] kill lives". 1 is too many.

We need ALL doctors to be competent, not just a few who can "just" do "normal GP work/normal Antibiotics/recognising potential life threatening diseases"
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post Apr 24 2010, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 23 2010, 05:22 PM)
Today's News:
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Rosnah said a drastic shortage of doctors was experienced in Sabah and Sarawak because many medical personnel were reluctant to be transferred to those states.
...that somewhat explains the high concentration of doctors in Peninsular Malaysia (eg; Selangor etc)
The government should have increased more Sabahans and Sarawakians for IPTA medical seats.
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Its a fine line Cyber. Sarawak and Sabah's population is not that big. Most Malayan's would rather die than come to East Malaysia. Just look at some of the threads about Swinburne Sarawak and Curtin Miri; them Malayans moan how far it is, but have no problem being sent to (say) UK to study if they had the chance.

Opening up more spaces in Sarawak/Sabah IPTA medical schools just means you get more mediocre Sarawakian/Sabahan students to fill the spaces that will probably be filled by Malayan's who will not stay in Sarawak/Sabah anyway.

Only Sarawakians will work in Sarawak, if they have the opportunities.
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post May 14 2010, 09:03 PM

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An atricle in China Press caught my eye: http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...514wab99a20.txt

Maybe when I have time I will consider translating it (just run it through Babelfish), but what caught my attention was a quote from a Malaysian Fudan University student, studying "医学系" (usually that translates to Medicine), hoping that after she graduates she can come back to Malaysia to work with the government in their public hospitals.

Last time I checked, not a single China university was listed in the Medical Act, nor on the 2nd schedule of the MMC list.

The article is almost a promotional piece for Chinese universities who give out scholarships to international students. Specifically, medical universities. Now I would not have brought this up, since some of the universities listed are Chinese medicine universities (中医药大学), but to read of quotes attributed to Malaysians studying there wanting to work with the government after graduation, and knowing that not a single Chinese university is recognised, has some alarm bells ringing in me.

What ever the quality of Chinese medical schools, the fact is, none of them are recognised in Malaysia.

Am I missing something, or is there an entire population of desperate Malaysians who want to be doctors, studying what they think is medicine in China, when they cannot be registered to be medical practitioners, let alone work in the civil service?

Or have the Chinese herbs finally caused delirium?

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post May 17 2010, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(haya @ May 14 2010, 09:03 PM)
An atricle in China Press caught my eye: http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...514wab99a20.txt
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Malaysian students who are studying at Shanghai Fudan University would like to and hope to return to Malaysia for employment, and contribute to their motherland.

When interviewed, 2nd year Malaysian medical student, Tee Pao Ying (21 years) [1] said that she hoped to return and serve in Malaysian government hospitals after graduating.

It does kinda explain the number of posts we get here asking about studying medicine in China. There are people who genuinely consider China as a destination for medical education.

As if there aren't enough universities on the Medical Act and the second schedule of the MMC list.

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At the moment, Malaysian government only recognizes some or few China’s famous university’s certain degrees/diplomas/certificate. This includes Beijing (Peking) University, Tsinghua university, and the Chinese language certificate of Beijing Foreign Studies University.

On the medical studies side, the government recognizes the Faculty of Medicine of Shanghai Medical university, Beijing Medical University, Zhongshan Medical University, Fudan University and Jinan University.

In addition, the government also recognizes the traditional Chinese medicine degree of Shanghai University of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Beijing University of Chinese Medicine and Nanjing University of Traditional Chinese Medicine.
(original: 医学系方面,政府承认上海医科大学、北京医科大学、中山医科大学、复旦大学及暨南大学的医学系,上海中医药大学、北京中医药大学、南京中医药大学的中医学士学位,也获承认。)
This is why I can no longer read Chinese vernacular papers. I can tell you, there is going to be some Cheena "doctor" who will be brandishing their arms and trying to justify their choice of education as "but the newspaper said so!". Somehow the Chinese educated seem to take their vernacular papers as the gospel truth.

But on a more serious note, does any doctor know of any China medical graduate, practicing in Malaysia, be it public or private?

On a more personal note, as someone who has ancestors in my family history deported to China as Communists during the Communist insurgency, I find it more than a little amusing that MCA is leading a delegation to meet and praise the Youth Communist League.
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post Sep 24 2010, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Sep 23 2010, 09:08 PM)
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you just landed in bolehland is it?......... smile.gif
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To a certain extent, I truly believe that when things suddenly reached a "tipping point", you will be utterly surprised!
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What "tipping point" do you perceive that will bring about transparency in the context of medical education, training and placement?

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post Oct 7 2010, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Oct 6 2010, 03:20 PM)
With one stroke of the pen, Indonesia can be de-recognised, considering the increasing tensions and the "hardships" created for rich Malaysians who are "maidless" now.

Not so bleak lah!
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Never learn from the past eh? Rewind back to June 2005:

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The deregistration of CSMU led to the suspension of then Deputy Natural Resources and Environment Minister Datuk S. Sothinathan, and opened up a massive fissure within MIC. Mind you, this is just ONE university, and pre-March 2008 Malaysia.

Much water has flowed under the bridge since then. I can tell you no government, be it BN or PR, will deregister ANY medical school in the foreseeable future. Like so many things Malaysian, its too much of a political liability. And that is the problem: foreign cheaply trained doctors (Russia, Indonesia, Bangladesh etc) will continue to flood the Malaysian medical profession. You can't just turn off the supply "with a stroke of a pen".

And I think this thread had made it clear beyond any reasonable doubt that more doctors more often than not, lead to poorer health care standards.

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Still think an oversupply can be resolved with a stroke of a pen?
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post Feb 12 2011, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Feb 12 2011, 01:31 PM)
during my secondary school time, one of my teachers told me that Egypt offered the best medical education in the world. i hope she will also read the news.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 12 2011, 04:40 PM)
I do know much about Egypt medical education but I have a feeling that teacher of yours may be an idiot.
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Member wgy589's teacher is not completely wrong. Some of the medical schools Malaysia sends its students to in Egypt are far more established than many of the springing-up-like-mushrooms medical "school"s we have in Malaysia.

Like Malaysia, Egypt is a very English speaking country, and much of their (secular) tertiary education is reasonably decent. Their currently is still called the Pound for starters.

Egypt's liberal intake for money aside, it can't be any worst than Russian medical schools, which are widely accepted by the populace.

The main issue Egypt has is that many of their universities are not open to non-Muslims.

Of course, what most Malaysians see are the other part of Egypt's education: the madrassah's. Usually these are people who study in the Sekolah Pondok/Madrassah. With no PMR, no SPM, the only way for them to continue their education is to the Middle East.


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post Jun 3 2011, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(monochrome1234 @ Jun 3 2011, 12:32 PM)
And about the recognized graduates in other countries (if there are many at all), why do you think the numbers went down? Is it solely based on our education here, or is it rather their education?
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There are 2 interpretations to that statement.

1) The standard of medical education has stagnated in Malaysia, while other countries have moved forward.
2) The standard of medical education has fallen in Malaysia.

Either way, Malaysia cannot go on like this, where a medical education has been cheapened, to quote a education agent ad, "a doctor in every family".

We do not need a brilliant top class doctor. We need all our doctors to be proficient and competent.
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post Jun 20 2011, 01:26 PM

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Utusan Malaysia, 16 june 2011: http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...um&pg=fo_04.htm
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MOHE, undated, via Bernama: http://bpa.bernama.com/details.php?id=1753

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Nothing new here, but the fact that this issue is penetrating the Malay speaking community is telling in it self.

Now if only the Chinese/Mandarin speaking community would look beyond their Chinese telescope.

That said, it is a bit of a stretch to say that the students are nothing but the victims in this matter. At the very least, they (or their parents) were contributory negligent in getting themselves in this mess.

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post Aug 28 2011, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(sotong1992 @ Aug 28 2011, 09:31 AM)
Among bad apples, there are good apples, and vice versa.
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And this is where Malaysian's usually loose the plot. To quote a peribahasa, Sebab nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga.

One rotten apple is too many. Medical schools are not in the business of creating the "best" (whatever that may be) doctor. A proper medical school is in the business of producing competent doctors in all those who walk out of the door.

We do not need a brilliant top class doctor. We need all our doctors to be proficient and competent.
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post Aug 29 2011, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(fastimes @ Aug 29 2011, 01:31 PM)
Chill out limeuu, I'm pretty sure my English is all fine (band 8 in IELTS) but yes I dont really like to type properly biggrin.gif Btw, limeuu, I'm pretty sure you're from SMC recognized uni, so what about the clinical that you do differ so much from normal IPTS?

Sorry if I sound aggresive etc., I just want to know what I'm lacking so I could improve when I graduated in 5 years time.
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Trust me, if you can't write properly in a forum, you can't write properly when it matters the most. I've seen many a fresh graduate who say "I know I "simply anyhow" write on the internet, but when working I write properly one", until I read their reports which are littered with grammatical mistakes with the odd SMS language. The sad thing is they don't even realise their errors.

Any we wonder why we have unemployed graduates.

In any case, if you want to receive help, you need to be understandable to the other party who you ask for the assistance. I've seen too many people barge in, ask for help, but are unable to articulate their issues, then wonder why they're met with silence.

Its very hard to help someone when you don't understand them.

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post Oct 10 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Oct 10 2011, 10:30 AM)
Singapore has started recruiting some medical graduates from China, from some Beijing medical colleges, and have noted that these medical grads are very good and knowledgeable. The only thing lacking is that some of these grads need some orientation to improve their communication with patients and  give them exposure to the treatment to some tropical diseases like dengue fever which they have not heard of or seen before.

These grads had gone thru EIGHT years of studies!

Source: Either Star or NST yesterday.
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http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...647347&sec=asia

It is a reproduction of a 30 Sep 2011 Straits Times article talking about PRC trained and qualified nationals practicing in Singapore.

Nothing new here.
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post Oct 22 2011, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Oct 22 2011, 11:26 AM)
wow, i just saw a lincoln college ad for doctor of medicine, 5 years in msia. it was actually last sunday's paper, lol.
entry requirement included diploma in biomed or smtg similar

way to go, i thought there was going to be a freeze on new med schools...
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There is.

We have been through this:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry42156959

I dunno, isnt it supposed to look like something is being done to address this "issue"?

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=38492063

Edit: damnit, limeuu pipped me to the post.

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post Feb 3 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 3 2012, 03:15 PM)
Anyone had any idea of the "criminal record check" for UK university requirements for medical students. Some confirmation to be issued by Putrajaya?

And the health check requirements? Any validity period? If going in Sept, is it possible to do it now? Not specifically indicated on the offer letter.
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Most universities will need what is called a "Certificate of Good Conduct", which is issued by the Malaysian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Which can only be applied for online.

http://www.kln.gov.my/web/guest/ekonsular

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