Boon for docs with 10 years’ working experience abroad
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4341&sec=nation
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Apr 13 2010, 10:53 AM
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Boon for docs with 10 years’ working experience abroad
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4341&sec=nation |
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Apr 13 2010, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(jerk @ Apr 13 2010, 10:53 AM) Boon for docs with 10 years’ working experience abroad it will make little difference, few will bother.....http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4341&sec=nation anyone who has worked 10 years elsewhere would either be at junior consultant level, or near the end of their specialist training.........and have steady jobs and right of abode......and thus professionally, not bother to return...... the only situations i foresee where people may take advantage of this, are those who need to return for family reasons, or those who cannot fit in/find long term jobs overseas........ |
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Apr 15 2010, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE Published: Thursday April 15, 2010 MYT 4:05:00 PM http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...0931&sec=nationUpdated: Thursday April 15, 2010 MYT 4:32:12 PM Compulsory service for doctors reduced to two years (Update 1) PETALING JAYA: The compulsory government service for medicial practioners has been reduced to two years from three with immediate effect, said Health Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai. He said the decision was made in accordance with the increased internship training period from one to two years. "The move to shorten the compulsory service will encourage them to remain in the country and provide their expertise in Malaysia," he said Thursday, adding that the move would indirectly halt the brain drain from the country. Liow recently announced that Malaysian doctors working overseas for more than 10 years and who had funded their own medical studies were exempted from compulsory service. |
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Apr 15 2010, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE "The move to shorten the compulsory service will encourage them to remain in the country and provide their expertise in Malaysia," he said Thursday, adding that the move would indirectly halt the brain drain from the country. this i don't understand........can someone who can think like a politician explain this to me?.......... in any case, it comes to the same 4 years, iike before they increased the housemanship to 2 years... and also this is in preparation for the expectation glut in doctors in 4-5 years time..........the gov need NOT have to provide employment for junior doctors after 4 years, like they have to within the h/0 and compulsory service period........... |
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Apr 15 2010, 05:58 PM
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*misread question, sorry*
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Apr 15 2010, 07:44 PM
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he didn't say 'come back'..........he said 'remain'...........
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Apr 16 2010, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE “The move to shorten the compulsory service would encourage doctors to remain in the country,” he said, adding that it would indirectly discourage a brain drain. I too don't understand the logic behind this. How does shortening the compulsory service encourage doctors to remain in Malaysia? Won't that only hasten the process of them getting out of Malaysia? Any additional quote from Liow Tiong Lai regarding the logic for this? |
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Apr 17 2010, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 15 2010, 07:44 PM) QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 16 2010, 08:05 AM) I too don't understand the logic behind this. sorry limeuu, my bad for misreading the statement. Um, yes. I can't reason out the answer too. How does shortening the compulsory service encourage doctors to remain in Malaysia? Won't that only hasten the process of them getting out of Malaysia? Any additional quote from Liow Tiong Lai regarding the logic for this? MAYBE, changing the system will make them more patriotic cos it's showing that the country is looking after them? Ok that was really a random though =P just a question, why would they want to retain doctors since there'll be a massive production in the near future? won't it be overcrowded? |
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Apr 17 2010, 12:43 AM
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hmm.. it seems that the purpose of this is to bring in more specialists.
their target aren't us fresh graduates, but that of the senior doctors who has accumulated a fair amount of experience in their respected speciality or field. |
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Apr 17 2010, 08:45 PM
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hi, any medical students here currently studying in Poland or Czech Republic?
Just wondering how's the studies there, since commonly it's Russia or Uk experiences being shared, I also wanna know what it's like in other countries. |
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Apr 18 2010, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE(lovelysky7 @ Apr 17 2010, 08:45 PM) hi, any medical students here currently studying in Poland or Czech Republic? Poland and Czech? Just wondering how's the studies there, since commonly it's Russia or Uk experiences being shared, I also wanna know what it's like in other countries. Some of my batch mates (BSc. graduates) went there. As usual, it isn't cheap studying there (most places abroad for that matter) unless you are sent there by JPA/MARA/Other sponsors. Here some info about the the university they are studying in: http://www.cuni.cz/UKENG-184.html http://www.wum.edu.pl/english/internationa...urriculums.html This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Apr 18 2010, 01:47 AM |
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Apr 18 2010, 01:54 PM
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i really worry about non english speaking countries conducting english medium med studies targeted at international, mostly 3rd world students........
there is only one reason for this........to milk these students of their willingness to pay high fees.......and since these students as a rule, almost never stay back in these countries to work, the competency of these new doctors is not a concern for them..........thus a lenient admission and graduating policy......... |
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Apr 19 2010, 10:59 AM
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I believe this is the same way foreigner will think of M'sia too... A country with BM as national and formal language teaching med in english...
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Apr 19 2010, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(Gorila_ @ Apr 19 2010, 10:59 AM) I believe this is the same way foreigner will think of M'sia too... A country with BM as national and formal language teaching med in english... not really.........msia has always been seen as an english using country, as part of the former british empire, and member of the commonwealth.........just like spore, hk, india are all considered countries that has a tradition of english usage.........in addition, the courses for training the local population use english as well, ie there are NO double stream....... the same cannot be said about russia/ukraine/poland/czech republic............ |
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Apr 22 2010, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 18 2010, 01:43 AM) Here some info about the the university they are studying in: thanks for the links http://www.cuni.cz/UKENG-184.html http://www.wum.edu.pl/english/internationa...urriculums.html seems like they still have entrance exam even if you have A-level or other qualifications anyone have comment on these countries' medical qualities? QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 18 2010, 01:54 PM) i really worry about non english speaking countries conducting english medium med studies targeted at international, mostly 3rd world students........ how about Russia? no offense but some of the doctors that I met don't encourage to go to Russiathere is only one reason for this........to milk these students of their willingness to pay high fees.......and since these students as a rule, almost never stay back in these countries to work, the competency of these new doctors is not a concern for them..........thus a lenient admission and graduating policy......... yet some give opinions that Russia's med school is good I would like to know which one is true? Other than that, why the cost for medical studies there is cheap aa? (compared to others, in fact some even cheaper than in Indonesia) |
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Apr 23 2010, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE(lovelysky7 @ Apr 22 2010, 11:42 PM) thanks for the links russia medical schools are good. but the thing is, medical students are separated into 2 groups. one is their own students, where the syallabus are taught in russian, and the other are 'others', or maybe whole class also malaysians.seems like they still have entrance exam even if you have A-level or other qualifications anyone have comment on these countries' medical qualities? how about Russia? no offense but some of the doctors that I met don't encourage to go to Russia yet some give opinions that Russia's med school is good I would like to know which one is true? Other than that, why the cost for medical studies there is cheap aa? (compared to others, in fact some even cheaper than in Indonesia) like it or not..there will definitely be biased in the teachings... |
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Apr 23 2010, 03:44 AM
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Apr 23 2010, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 15 2010, 06:19 PM) this i don't understand........can someone who can think like a politician explain this to me?.......... Apparently,they mean private practice may encourage doctors to remain in the country. I think they mean reduce the years that required compulsory service and of course housemanship will be remain the same.in any case, it comes to the same 4 years, iike before they increased the housemanship to 2 years... and also this is in preparation for the expectation glut in doctors in 4-5 years time..........the gov need NOT have to provide employment for junior doctors after 4 years, like they have to within the h/0 and compulsory service period........... Btw, the logic behind is partially true. I don't think most of the medical doctors will leave because of this. Even if you shorten the compulsory service,they will still leave and give them an earlier chance to leave. This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Apr 23 2010, 06:50 AM |
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Apr 23 2010, 05:22 PM
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Today's News:
QUOTE Published: Friday April 23, 2010 MYT 2:51:00 PM Malaysia hopes to attain WHO doctor-patient ratio by 2015 PUTRAJAYA: Malaysia continues to face a shortage of doctors, with the ratio falling short of the 1:600 standard set by the World Health Organisation (WHO), Deputy Health Minister Datuk Rosnah Abdul Rashid Shirlin said Friday. She said the Malaysian ratio last year was 1:940 while in 2000, it was 1:905. "The Government, particularly the Health Ministry, has drawn up several measures, including making available various incentives to raise the number of doctors and medical graduates in the country. "Going by the annual increase in the number of medical graduates, we are optimistic of attaining the (WHO) ratio by 2015," she told reporters after the signing of a memorandum of understanding (MoU) at the ministry here. The MoU was signed by Newcastle University Medicine Malaysia and the ministry to enable the educational institution to use the ministry's facilities for its campus in Johor once it begins operations next year. Rosnah said a drastic shortage of doctors was experienced in Sabah and Sarawak because many medical personnel were reluctant to be transferred to those states. "The ministry has taken steps to overcome this shortage, among them allocating more doctors to the two states, especially those serving in government hospitals or clinics. "Besides, we also have a mandatory rotation system," she said. Sabah and Sarawak have a doctor-population ratio of 1:2248 and 1:1709, respectively. - Bernama http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5351&sec=nation ...that somewhat explains the high concentration of doctors in Peninsular Malaysia (eg; Selangor etc) The government should have increased more Sabahans and Sarawakians for IPTA medical seats. This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Apr 23 2010, 06:22 PM |
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Apr 23 2010, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Apr 23 2010, 03:44 AM) as someone mentioned earlier.. the medicals itself is good..if not why the government will send our students there and JPA approves their course..just that they might be practicing double standard..when officials come to visit..they will do everything nicely..u know what i mean... but then again malaysians or foreigners won know whether the quality is good or not because they only compare with other malaysians or foreigners. unless some people will ask their russian counterparts on how different or same is their course conducted. trust me. i've been to hospital attachments before. the standard of a russian graduate compared to local private candidate is so much different. of course u may say i am biased because there are still good students coming back from russia. but in the eyes of doctors, generally those from russia, not good. my 2 cents.=) |
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