you can only apply for the tier 4 visa 3 months before commencement of the course.....even if you have your cas no. earlier...

Documentary continues~





previous episodes...





the irony - Private vs govt. Indian hospitals - see below:








... glimpse of the future of our own country's healthcare system perhaps...? govt vs private?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: May 20 2012, 04:27 AM

Also requested unconditional confirmation in writing which they did and sent by courier.
Accomodation request was also settled pretty fast.
Quite happy with the way they responded.

Was some fees payment required to accept the unconditional offer? I take it relative has already completed A levels?

I guess we are so used to Malaysian style inefficiencies that when things happen the way they are supposed to happen, we feel "quite happy".

This post has been edited by podrunner: May 20 2012, 12:59 PM

1k pounds for offer n 400 pounds for Accomodation as deposits/earnest.

Looks like Curtin Medical School will get the go ahead after all - now let's see if they bring the medical course to Sarawak a la Monash

https://sphere.curtin.edu.au/teaching/med-n..._med_school.cfm

Oh I should also mention that the University of South Australia and Charles Sturt University are lobbying pretty hard for their slice in the medical education business - odds on Australia having 3 more medical schools by the end of this decade.

This post has been edited by Huskies: May 22 2012, 12:04 AM

One would have thought there's no such thing as "medical graduates tsunami", from reading that article alone..maybe in the process of being "solved".

Ethical consideration to stop plundering others? The many new hospitals coming up effectively create a 'new shortage'.

it appears australia does have the need for more doctors, especially the regional areas, but there is a bottleneck in the internship phase, due to the 50% increase in graduating doctors at the moment....

they have been absorbing as many as 1k img immigrants each year all these while.....

however, with already 18 medical schools for a population of only 22 million, they are starting to look like msia if they approve more med schools....especially when several of the new ones have not even graduated any student.....

it will take a long time for curtin's proposed new programme to get established, so they will not be bringing it to miri any time soon, and i think the circumstances will have changed by then.....it will no longer be lucrative to start med schools.....

It's worth noting that Curtin is proposing a 5-year undergraduate medical degree when most other medical schools in Australia are adopting the postgraduate approach. The way I see it, they're trying to entice school-leavers by offering direct entry, much like how the law and medical courses in Monash Clayton benefitted from the introduction of the Melbourne Model. Incidentally, 2014 is also the year UWA begins its Doctor of Medicine programme...

i have wondered why uwa have decided to go graduate entry, in the light of the experiences of uq and umelb......

you exchange more matured and perhaps more motivated students for the academic best students....

uq had to restart a double degree undergraduate entry pathway to attract the top students from year 12....

studies do indicate the best predictor of good outcome of doctor training is still academic ability...

it doesn't matter in the us, because ALL med schools are graduate entry.....but in oz, with an even mixture, natural selection and human behaviour will result in skews in the 2 cohorts....

Interesting. I've heard a few years back that curtin might work with Murdoch in providing medical training but I wasn't so sure of the reliability of the source. i reckon it'll be an undergrad entry?

it's not helping much too in Tassie with the budget issues here. I've spoken to one of the general physicians in the hospitals and apparently they need more GPs and general physicians rather than other specialists. And no, i doubt they will put the new med program in miri campus.

Most graduate entry medical programs (GEMP) in Australia usually have some form of direct pathway for high achieving school leavers guarantee a spot in med program. These schemes usually waive certain entry requirements such as GAMSAT and interview, making the only real requirement a 5.5/7 GPA (which isn't too hard to achieve for a top student).

And I think the perception that GEMPs are people who got rejected for medicine the first time round is inconsequential. From my experience, GEMPs bring a depth of knowledge and experience to the medical cohort- many of them are qualified nurses, pharmacists, physiotherapists and/or have extensive research experience. As you have mentioned, they are a very motivated cohort so their grades are the last thing from shabby. If anything, GEMPs will probably make better doctors on graduation than undergrads, and this is saying a lot since I'm basically shooting myself in the foot as an undergraduate UWA med student.

the contention whether 'passion' (or interest/motivation) or academic ability is more important in doctor training has been extensively debated, and i think there is some general consensus.....

first and foremost, the student MUST have the intellectual ability to function as a doctor (NOT just train as one....there is a difference between the two)...and it is well accepted that the top 5% of a student cohort will have the academic and intellectual capacity to cope with the demands of studying and functioning as a doctor....

from this quite large group, then selection process attempts to predict the potential best outcome....and various means are used, be they ps, interviews, exams, etc....to varying degrees of predictive success.....

none of these parameters are fail proof.....and the criteria that predicts best outcome remains academic results.....and many med schools sticks to that criteria.....

in the us system, it selects both the academic best and the most motivated, through the graduate entry mode....so there is no issue....

in dual pathway systems, like oz (and increasingly so in uk too), it does produce 2 cohort of students with different characteristics.....which is very obvious because they exist side by side....

and the dual pathway system will also give rise to the perception (which is generally true) that graduate entry students are those who failed to get in the first time, and this is a second chance....if they are carefully selected, they will perform as well as undergraduate entry students, after all, one only need to be in the top 5%.....

the hope is that these graduate entry students will self select motivated people.....but that throws the argument back to the original question above.....which is more important.....passion or ability....?

the question is partly answered by the fact that many of these gemp also have year 12 entry streams..... now why would they do that?.....

anyone who is doing or had done MBBS in China university
mind sharing your experiences?

But how many have the fundings to do graduate entry for medicine anyway? Is it much cheaper for the locals?

Greeting's all. 3rd year medic in IMU. Holla to all IMU seniors.

Sorry to trouble you all, but where can I post my WTS medical books thread? seems like mine isnt getting any hits/replies =((((

btw, if anyone is interested, here's the link. Just some basic references for Phase 1 medics.

WTS cheap medical books

What could have possibly gone wrong with the application? While BMAT was not mentioned, applicant's UKCAT score was high, with straight A*s for GCSEs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/unive...iversities.html

And if one fails the first time, this is a good read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/unive...t-medicine.html

This post has been edited by podrunner: May 26 2012, 11:55 PM

she didn't get an offer based on her ps, ukcat and interview, presumable, as offers are made way before the a levels results.....appears she did NOT do the bmat, so she would have been automatically be disqualified from ucl and oxford.......i know someone who also made that mistake of not knowing the need for bmat for the 4 odd man out unis......

finally, based on the forecast a*aa minimum now required, they are choosing from the top 10%, so there are lots of people with other characteristic they want, other than academic results......

This post has been edited by limeuu: May 27 2012, 10:05 AM

It's not a surprise as I said some students had 4A* at Nov A2 sitting were rejected on all 4 choices as well.