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limeuu
post May 19 2012, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 12:09 PM)
A friend's relative did not get a place in UK is looking at oz. As there are only 2 unis offering 5 years undergrad at Monash and Utas, is it a good option to consider 6 years program at UQ, Adelaide and James Cook? Any better options? Wanted an overseas education and can afford it. Quite a 'smart' chap academically. Other attributes so so.
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jcu and uws are 5 year undergraduate entry programmes.....

but generally, it is easier to get into uk, than oz....
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post May 19 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 12:09 PM)
A friend's relative did not get a place in UK is looking at oz. As there are only 2 unis offering 5 years undergrad at Monash and Utas, is it a good option to consider 6 years program at UQ, Adelaide and James Cook? Any better options? Wanted an overseas education and can afford it. Quite a 'smart' chap academically. Other attributes so so.
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If still determined to study in UK, he can apply again for 2013. I suppose he can try all the Oz unis you have mentioned. Sit for the ISAT as soon as possible. The better options in Australia? Since money a non-issue, he can opt for grad entry at ANU, UMelb and USyd. But this would mean doing a course like BioMed first.
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post May 19 2012, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 19 2012, 12:32 PM)
jcu and uws are 5 year undergraduate entry programmes.....

but generally, it is easier to get into uk, than oz....
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I googled jcu 6 years. Maybe wrong. Uws not recognized by smc, rite?


Added on May 19, 2012, 12:55 pm
QUOTE(podrunner @ May 19 2012, 12:37 PM)
If still determined to study in UK, he can apply again for 2013. I suppose he can try all the Oz unis you have mentioned. Sit for the ISAT as soon as possible. The better options in Australia? Since money a non-issue, he can opt for grad entry at ANU, UMelb and USyd. But this would mean doing a course like BioMed first.
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Only one interview uk and the not so popular one and the others not the competitive ones. Sometimes, on hindsight, maybe should have gone for the Oxbridge type since no academic issue. Other factors, depends on your form for the day! 2013 not a viable option at this point though local students in uk do exercise such option.

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 12:47 PM)
I googled jcu 6 years. Maybe wrong. Uws not recognized by smc, rite?

i stand corrected, i always thought jcu was 5 years....

uws i think just graduated their 1st batch i think.....currently not recognised by smc....
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post May 19 2012, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 12:47 PM)
I googled jcu 6 years. Maybe wrong. Uws not recognized by smc, rite?


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Only one interview uk and the not so popular one and the others not the competitive ones. Sometimes, on hindsight, maybe should have gone for the Oxbridge type since no academic issue. Other factors, depends on your form for the day! 2013 not a viable option at this point though local students in uk do exercise such option.
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You mentioned his "other attributes so so". Oxbridge looks beyond academic criteria and one's form on interview day.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 12:47 PM)

Only one interview uk and the not so popular one and the others not the competitive ones. Sometimes, on hindsight, maybe should have gone for the Oxbridge type since no academic issue. Other factors, depends on your form for the day! 2013 not a viable option at this point though local students in uk do exercise such option.
like podrunner said, oxbridge looks beyond 'academic issues'.....nobody with 'academic issues' will even think about applying, which would have been an exercise in futility..... smile.gif
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Academically speaking, it is easier to get into UK because as it has been established, it is much easier to get AAA than an ATAR of 99+. Interview wise Australian unis may be a bit more lenient as Australian unis tend to have a larger quota for international students.

Australian unis also don't require a personal statement, which has been known to either make or break an application with the UK universities.
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QUOTE(podrunner @ May 19 2012, 02:35 PM)
Academically speaking, it is easier to get into UK because as it has been established, it is much easier to get AAA than an ATAR of 99+. Interview wise Australian unis may be a bit more lenient as Australian unis tend to have a larger quota for international students.

Australian unis also don't require a personal statement, which has been known to either make or break an application with the UK universities.
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I really don't think AAA will get an interview as some with A*A*A* also won't get interview. But those who gets conditional offers only require to get A*AA. Anyway, it's difficult to quantify because of the system. Over here, the current system for ipta is still acceptable but when the interview process is implemented, it will be back to the old days of top scholars being offered courses on forestry!

Well, if only people understand the emotional stress parents go thru on their kids medical applications.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 03:46 PM)
I really don't think AAA will get an interview as some with A*A*A* also won't get interview. But those who gets conditional offers only require to get A*AA. Anyway, it's difficult to quantify because of the system. Over here, the current system for ipta is still acceptable but when the interview process is implemented, it will be back to the old days of top scholars being offered courses on forestry!

Well, if only people understand the emotional stress parents go thru on their kids medical applications.
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Exactly the point that PS and UKCAT / BMAT are equally, or for some universities, more important than AS results to "see if you have what we are looking for in medical students" . The interview then determines if the applicant is consistent with PS, plus body language etc. Assuming all boxes are checked up to this point, then academic capability comes in, thus conditional offers. Conditional offers = yes we are of the opinion that you are a good fit for our medical program, provided you meet the academic requirements. So we cannot in essence, "quantify". I think it was Elsielam who said, "we only need just that one offer".

Am glad the process is over, especially when A levels was not done. smile.gif

Ps. Ask friend to send an email to QUBelfast. You never know, as they may be in clearing for medicine. Someone with 4 rejections last year, somehow managed to get an offer from QUBELFAST in August.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 03:46 PM)
I really don't think AAA will get an interview as some with A*A*A* also won't get interview. But those who gets conditional offers only require to get A*AA.
that is simply because selection is done (for the majority of people) BEFORE one even sits for the a2 exam....based on criteria other than academic performance....

once they have deemed you acceptable, then the academic criteria they want is an easy a*aa, which maybe translate to atar90......although i will bet the majority accepted will eventually be getting 3a*.....certainly that has been the case of people i know who got accepted in recent years.....


Added on May 19, 2012, 6:09 pm
QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 03:46 PM)

Well, if only people understand the emotional stress parents go thru on their kids medical applications.
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i can suggest a very stress free medical application.....any of the ipts med school..... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(podrunner @ May 19 2012, 04:27 PM)
Exactly the point that PS and UKCAT / BMAT are equally, or for some universities, more important than AS results to "see if you have what we are looking for in medical students" . The interview then determines if the applicant is consistent with PS, plus body language etc. Assuming all boxes are checked up to this point, then academic capability comes in, thus conditional offers. Conditional offers = yes we are of the opinion that you are a good fit for our medical program, provided you meet the academic requirements. So we cannot in essence, "quantify". I think it was Elsielam who said, "we only need just that one offer".

Am glad the process is over, especially when A levels was not done.  smile.gif

Ps. Ask friend to send an email to QUBelfast. You never know, as they may be in clearing for medicine. Someone with 4 rejections last year, somehow managed to get an offer from QUBELFAST in August.
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I think might be better to call QUB medical admission directly. Someone I know with 4rejections last year got a place with them eventually. He did get 4A* in his A level.



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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 19 2012, 06:07 PM)
that is simply because selection is done (for the majority of people) BEFORE one even sits for the a2 exam....based on criteria other than academic performance....

once they have deemed you acceptable, then the academic criteria they want is an easy a*aa, which maybe translate to atar90......although i will bet the majority accepted will eventually be getting 3a*.....certainly that has been the case of people i know who got accepted in recent years.....


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i can suggest a very stress free medical application.....any of the ipts med school..... biggrin.gif
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4A* or 3A*. A few with 2A*.

Yeah. Thanks for the suggestion.
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post May 19 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(eliselam @ May 19 2012, 08:15 PM)
I think might be better to call QUB medical admission directly. Someone I know with 4rejections last year got a place with them eventually. He did get 4A* in his A level.
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Hmmmm...that is quite co-incidental! This applicant went through an agent, apparently. Glad that he/they got in!

Sorry, eliseLam, not Elsielam.
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post May 19 2012, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ May 19 2012, 09:12 PM)
Hmmmm...that is quite co-incidental! This applicant went through an agent, apparently. Glad that he/they got in!

Sorry, eliseLam, not Elsielam.
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Hi, how is the preparation going along? Confirm the accomodation and flight?

He called a few unis directly but I think only York-Hull and QUB have places for intl. It was really stressful for the whole family as he is a very good student. I think his PS and UKCAT failed him. Seeing his eg, I dare not apply for all prestigious unis, choose one so called high risk, 2 medium risk and 1 low risk. But the so called low risk rejected me after interview!!! So, I think there is really no safe unis for medicine, just play to your strength.
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QUOTE(eliselam @ May 19 2012, 09:34 PM)
Hi,  how is the preparation going along? Confirm the accomodation and flight?

He called a few unis directly but I think only York-Hull and QUB have places for intl. It was really stressful for the whole family as he is a very good student. I think his PS and UKCAT failed him.  Seeing his eg, I dare not apply for all prestigious unis, choose one so called high risk, 2 medium risk and 1 low risk. But the so called low risk rejected me after interview!!! So, I think there is really no safe unis for medicine, just play to your strength.
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I was told accomodation will be known end of this month (Uni halls). Still shopping for flights. What about yourself? Excited? You firmed KCL, or has my memory failed me?

You are right about the selection process.
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QUOTE(eliselam @ May 19 2012, 09:34 PM)
Hi,  how is the preparation going along? Confirm the accomodation and flight?

He called a few unis directly but I think only York-Hull and QUB have places for intl. It was really stressful for the whole family as he is a very good student. I think his PS and UKCAT failed him.  Seeing his eg, I dare not apply for all prestigious unis, choose one so called high risk, 2 medium risk and 1 low risk. But the so called low risk rejected me after interview!!! So, I think there is really no safe unis for medicine, just play to your strength.
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The need for alternative plans is important for overseas medic education. Not Russia, please!

When is the earliest to apply for visa? Flight confirmed before visa?
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QUOTE(podrunner @ May 19 2012, 09:44 PM)
I was told accomodation will be known end of this month (Uni halls). Still shopping for flights.  What about yourself? Excited? You firmed KCL, or has my memory failed me?

You are right about the selection process.
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Yes, firmed KCL and applied for accomodation. Not yet booked for flight but am getting excited and worried. A different chapter of my life, feel sad too sometimes.


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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 10:00 PM)
The need for alternative plans is important for overseas medic education. Not Russia, please!

When is the earliest to apply for visa? Flight confirmed before visa?
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Visa is upon getting CAS from uni. Need that to apply for visa.

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 10:00 PM)
The need for alternative plans is important for overseas medic education. Not Russia, please!

When is the earliest to apply for visa? Flight confirmed before visa?
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As soon as you receive your CAS.
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QUOTE(eliselam @ May 19 2012, 10:04 PM)
Yes, firmed KCL and applied for accomodation. Not  yet booked for flight but am getting excited and worried.  A different chapter of my life, feel sad too sometimes.


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Visa is upon getting CAS from uni. Need that to apply for visa.
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Requested for CAS, expected early June.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 19 2012, 11:17 PM)
Requested for CAS, expected early June.
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Didn't realize it can be requested. I was under the impression that it is part of the process for international students, ie once offers become unconditional and applicant has accepted, CAS will be sent electronically, starting from June.

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