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BrachialPlexus
post Oct 19 2010, 12:06 AM

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Rawr! 2nd year medical student from the University of Western Australia (UWA) reporting. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 19 2010, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Oct 19 2010, 07:35 AM)
I've got a few friends in 2nd year in UWA too =P I failed to get in last year =( boohoo.

Exams lurking around the corner =/ All the best peps =)
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Awh, that's too bad. It really doesn't matter though; we'll all be doctors eventually. Where are you currently studying?

And ohh, you know some 2nd years? Who who? biggrin.gif
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post Oct 20 2010, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Oct 20 2010, 07:41 AM)
I reckon it ain't really ideal to disclose names on a public forum =P but both of them were doing UWAFP with me. Are you all doing musculoskeletal this semester?
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It's okay, I know exactly who they are now. XD Small world. We've completed musculoskeletal early in the semester; now we're finishing up on neuro. So much to remember icon_question.gif
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post Oct 20 2010, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Oct 20 2010, 04:52 PM)
i came across this memory method from a hk drama. it works well for me.

http://litemind.com/memory-palace/
http://litemind.com/improve-memory-speaking-minds-language/

in order to memorise something, we need to understand it. however, there are some facts or numbers that we just have to memorise by heart.

DM will be a good example.

in order to remember the different hypoglycemic agents used in DM type 2, we have to understand that it needs to reduce the blood glucose level and insulin can reduce blood glucose. so the drugs can increase insulin secretion (insulin secretagogues) or increase insulin sensitivity (insulin sensitisers) to reduce the blood glucose. the drugs can also act directly to reduce glucose absorption into the bloodstream (insulin sparers).

so in this case our memory is based on understanding. However, we also need to know the range for impaired glucose tolerance in 2hr oGTT, which is 7.8-11.1 mmol/L (anything below is normal and above is DM)

obviously i can't understand anything to memorise the range 7.8-11.1  So in this case we can relate the numbers to something else.

you can imagine 7 looks like an open jaw from the side, and this is the jaw of a snowman (8), and this snowman is holding 3 candles (111). and this snowman is so fat to have DM. then the numbers 7.8-11.1 can be easily memorised.

U can also put this snowman in a room, and subsequently put other pictures in other rooms. and you can then visit this house full of pictures when you need the figures.

this memorisation method can also make study more interesting.  really hope it helps.
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Interesting method. A bit too much effort to devise an entire room though; I usually tackle these things by brute force. Just keep reading, chanting and reinforcing as I forget. tongue.gif
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post Apr 6 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 6 2012, 10:29 PM)
they are already reluctant. this year they will only give those who managed to enter Ivy league equivalent medical schools if i read correctly.
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Ivy league or equivalent? All the ivy med schools are post graduate. I can't imagine any other equivalent schools except maybe oxbridge or possibly imperial college/UCL/etc, although these numbers will probably be very low.
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post Apr 21 2012, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Apr 20 2012, 12:49 AM)
hi, how do med students in developed countries find clerking and physical examination ?

i presume it'd be harder for you to get the patient's consent because
1) it's a developed country, people don't view doctor like God compared to a developing country

2) you're a foreigner there, and an Asian. i dunno, but perhaps there's some form of discrimination?  at least if you're studying in Indonesia etc you're still in an Asian country.
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My own personal experience with patients in Australia has been generally positive so far. Patients here are generally very receptive towards student doctors and are eager to help us learn. They are surprisingly very empathetic of our course requirements- they understand that we need to clerk a certain number of patients, perform a number of procedures, amuse our consultants, etc and often try their best to make life easier for themselves and for us. If I were given a dollar every time a patient says 'hey, you've got to learn somehow', I'd be a very rich man.

Discrimination is usually not a problem if you've settled well into society. Competence is more important here; if you're confident and good at what you do, then your race really doesn't matter.
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post May 11 2012, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 11 2012, 11:34 AM)
That is just plain stupidity! Obviously, you cant find such smaller institutions in Malaysia and even overseas, it is more an exception than the rule.

No funding, no grant, what can one do?
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Obviously these institutions are rare but as you mentioned, exceptions do occur. I think Youngyew just wanted to make these exceptions clear because many people seem to denounce the worth of small medical schools outright. Obviously one should be skeptical, but to say he's 'stupid' for pointing that out is a bit uncalled for.
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post May 11 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 11 2012, 12:59 PM)
quite a few well known, and well regarded and established med schools are 'small'.....

utas takes only 120 students...

even cambridge takes only 200....of which only 100 stays on for clinicals.....

size does not really indicate quality....

i am not sure what that writer was referring to, when he says 'small'.....but if it is the number of students they train, then i agree there are lots of good small med schools.....
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You are quite right. Dartmouth College itself is a small institution and its medical school has a small intake, but the MD program there is one of the best in the country. Mayo Med and Mount Sinai Med are also examples of excellent schools with no university links and small student bodies.
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post May 12 2012, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ May 12 2012, 12:00 AM)
how come only half of cambridge pre-clinicals go on to do clinicals? is it because the assessment is super tough?

IMHO while it is bad to have lax exam standards, there is no point in having super tough exams to the point where it goes beyond being a test of  competency. except maybe to uphold the elitism
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Cambridge has an arrangement with Oxford and the London medical schools for the clinical aspect of their medical education. It's got nothing to do with assessments and pass rates.
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post May 24 2012, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 22 2012, 11:10 AM)
i have wondered why uwa have decided to go graduate entry, in the light of the experiences of uq and umelb......

you exchange more matured and perhaps more motivated students for the academic best students....

uq had to restart a double degree undergraduate entry pathway to attract the top students from year 12....

studies do indicate the best predictor of good outcome of doctor training is still academic ability...

it doesn't matter in the us, because ALL med schools are graduate entry.....but in oz, with an even mixture, natural selection and human behaviour will result in skews in the 2 cohorts....
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Most graduate entry medical programs (GEMP) in Australia usually have some form of direct pathway for high achieving school leavers guarantee a spot in med program. These schemes usually waive certain entry requirements such as GAMSAT and interview, making the only real requirement a 5.5/7 GPA (which isn't too hard to achieve for a top student).

And I think the perception that GEMPs are people who got rejected for medicine the first time round is inconsequential. From my experience, GEMPs bring a depth of knowledge and experience to the medical cohort- many of them are qualified nurses, pharmacists, physiotherapists and/or have extensive research experience. As you have mentioned, they are a very motivated cohort so their grades are the last thing from shabby. If anything, GEMPs will probably make better doctors on graduation than undergrads, and this is saying a lot since I'm basically shooting myself in the foot as an undergraduate UWA med student.

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