i was referring to stpm entry.....

ipta has always been a problem, with 2 cohorts of students mixed together, and that is consistently reflected in the results when you plot a normal curve, it's a double hump......

many of the cgpa 4.0 from matrik are b students....there are some diploma transfer students, but not many......but that is another issue.....

Actually how many STPM students are accepted for medicine with 4.00 per year via UPU??

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 28 2011, 12:48 PM

Not many i guess. Most of my non-bumi colleagues from IPTA did matriks before gaining entry to med schools

Matriks seems like the only ticket for those who want to do medicine in IPTA.(non bumis)

Recently, two STPM excellent students just got offered by Datuk Wee Ka Siong to do medicine in UM.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 28 2011, 12:58 PM

To all vying for places in UK/Aussie unis next year : Pressure, Pressure!!


This post has been edited by podrunner: Aug 28 2011, 01:44 PM

since this topic is brought up, let me shed some light...

from observations amongst the 1st years students in critical science based courses in ipta (medicine, dentistry, pharmacy), stpm now only account for 5-15% of students......and in some ipta like uitm, it will be zero......

this applies also to non-malays......eg a cohort of 9 chinese pharmacy students in a top ipta, only one came from stpm.......

it will be such, obviously, when there are 300+ stpm vs 2000 matrik students with cgpa 4.0..........

while to say stpm route is cut off into ipta is not true, it certainly is a much more difficult and uncertain route......and getting one of the 10% of matrik places allowed for non-malays become like a small scholarship in itself (and indeed, for the first time, giving a matrik place was ONE of the jpa 'scholarships'!!)......for you pathway becomes much more secure.....

all this is of course, a very sorry state of affair, but it does NOT justify the laissez faire and mercenary approach to doctor training in ipts/3rd world overseas med schools........

The other point is that despite the limited places in Ipta for medical students, more parents are sending their children overseas,oz or uk, for medic, partly also due to the comparative fees payable to IMU or Monash. Those lucky enough to secure an overseas posting after graduation will be a boost.

imu-pms is an easier backdoor pathway into 1st world med schools........and is a bit cheaper than direct entry..........

many parents are eyeing one of the coveted places, as it is usually a ticket for the student/family out of msia.....i know many students amongst my friends and acquaintances who have graduated from uk and oz within the last 5 years, both private and scholars......and i only know of one who came back to msia to work from nz.....several of course ended up in spore......

so limeuu, what do you have to say about uitm's med school?
i would like to read your opinions

Tell me about it!!

Problem with medical degree either from local uni or 3rd world country is recognition.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 28 2011, 03:18 PM

Pms choices are getting lesser and competition are getting keener, so by paying slighty more, your choice is assured.

Australia is getting ridiculously expensive - I wouldn't be surprised if Malaysian candidates will soon be priced out of studying here.

Monash University - and I really have to hand it to them - they sure know how to do business:

2010 MBBS tuition fee for international students: AUD 52,000

2011 MBBS tuition fee for international students: AUD 56,800

2012 MBBS tuition fee for international students: AUD 59,810

So, we have an increase of nearly 8,000 dollars in 2 years and yet demand still far out-strips supply - though I'm pretty sure the Malaysian numbers at Monash have dwindled over the last couple of years (JPA no longer sends medical students to Aus; not sure whether JPA PMS-route is still alive)

5 years in Australia would add up to roughly AUD 400,000 (including living expenses), at today's exchange rate adds up to over 1.2 million ringgit. So, to prospective applicants (who can afford the fees anyway), there's very little to sweat about provided you perform reasonably well in your pre-U/ISAT/interview. The money will kill off most of the competition for you - how many parents do you think have 1.2 million ringgit sitting around?

no it wouldn't......remember you are NOT only competing with msians......you are competing with potential students from 40-50 countries around the world, including spore, thailand, indonesia, hk, taiwan, korea, prc, africa, europe, and also usa........and trust me, there are a lot of people whom aud400k is sup sup sui......prc's have been known to walk into sydney and buy multiple million dollar properties with cash......

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Added on August 28, 2011, 6:10 pmas a rough assessment, talking to imu students about their grades used to enter, i estimate 80% of imu-pms students will NOT be able to get direct entry into uk/oz........and i know many are in imu because they have no choice.......they have applied and got no offers.......

yes, the main downside to imu is the lucky draw at the end to determine where you end up.....but at least there is a decent chance of getting into oz/uk if you ensure you are within the top 75% of your cohort.......jeffersons (and soon miami) remains a rare pathway for people to enter the american system.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 28 2011, 06:10 PM

I know of a few singaporeans who, even after having completed A levels, are undertaking an intensive foundation course to get into MBBS next year. A handful of MUFY (Melbourne) students have already been given conditional offers. The thing is for Monash, they're also looking at your ISAT, and interviews, ON TOP of ATAR 99 (for those NOT doing MUFY) at least. Then there are the students from HK, and China, even though PRCs apparently fail at interview level. The competition is stiff and real, nobody talks about Bs here...it's A+, and high A+s at that...and this is only ATAR. They may like your money but they're not budging on their standards.

Erm, nice discussion going on here. I actually from STPM and I avoided UK because it is something I could not afford ( I heard it is RM1 million plus cost of living?).

But still,I still wanted to know any incident or example you guys can quote of IPTS being 'the rotten apple' as you some of you guys work in hospital. There is zero information noted in newspaper or blogs. If someone can show how bad the grads is, maybe something can be change in the administration.

Btw, I guess no one gonna reply on stationary needed for the first year . I still clueless on how many paper I need...

what do you want to know?.....

as a general comment, any institution of higher learning that base their admission NOT on merit but on ethnicity, is a racist establishment, and not worth fussing about........

go to any of the top 100 unis in the world, go to their website front page, and read their underlying philosophy/mission/vision etc......what do you see?......they all avow the BEST education to all on merit, irrespective of their attributes like gender, ethnicity, creed, religion, etc........many have clearly stated non-discriminatory policy statements.......

and uitm?.....

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Added on August 28, 2011, 6:24 pmto my knowledge, all ipts med schools (even aimst) have some proximity to a decent town where they do sell paper, so i am not sure what's the obsession with stationary needs......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 28 2011, 06:24 PM

Lol, what do you expect. I for one think it would be fill with minority if not because of the policy. It's politic. Btw, limeuu do you work in Singapore or Malaysia? (private??)

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Added on August 28, 2011, 6:28 pmAh thanks limeuu, I already packing up all my stuff but I'm left with buying stationary as I did not know how many paper and note-taking needed to write all those stuff.How do you guys take note in lecture? Write everything on the slide? but I might left something out as I'm a slow writer....

Maybe 10 testpad would do

This post has been edited by fastimes: Aug 28 2011, 06:28 PM

i know it is politics.....i have no problem if they make a policy of quotas......like the past......

but i take offence when they have an easy pre-u pathway into ipta, and claim admission is based on merit......

that is hypocrisy.....

just a thought, but maybe you can record the lectures? invest in a dictaphone or something?

Am sure you can get stationery near your college, and it's not like you're never leaving college grounds for weeks on end. Good luck, and all the best.