So I presume it more like a percentage game where outside grads are generally more capable than local ones? Any examples of situation where their incompetence are more prevalent?

Btw, still need advice on stationary and other necessity I should bring to my dorm

And this is where Malaysian's usually loose the plot. To quote a peribahasa, Sebab nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga.

One rotten apple is too many. Medical schools are not in the business of creating the "best" (whatever that may be) doctor. A proper medical school is in the business of producing competent doctors in all those who walk out of the door.

We do not need a brilliant top class doctor. We need all our doctors to be proficient and competent.

I answer the previous question, how 'bad' are the standard are?

So, we cant generalize by saying that all IPTS medical students are bad.

And I do agree with your statement, the bold part.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 28 2011, 10:47 AM

Its not true, the reverse is true!

what qualifications did you get in with?......

if it is less than aaa at stpm/a levels and atar97, you will NOT have gained entry into a medical programme in uk/oz (or even ipta actually).........in fact many with better results fail to secure places, when they do badly in the umat/isat/ukcat/bmed exams and interviews.....

this simple fact will benchmark you compared to your peers in good med schools.....

IPTA medicine courses are flooded with matriculation, foundation and even diploma programs' students.

i was referring to stpm entry.....

ipta has always been a problem, with 2 cohorts of students mixed together, and that is consistently reflected in the results when you plot a normal curve, it's a double hump......

many of the cgpa 4.0 from matrik are b students....there are some diploma transfer students, but not many......but that is another issue.....

Actually how many STPM students are accepted for medicine with 4.00 per year via UPU??

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 28 2011, 12:48 PM

Not many i guess. Most of my non-bumi colleagues from IPTA did matriks before gaining entry to med schools

Matriks seems like the only ticket for those who want to do medicine in IPTA.(non bumis)

Recently, two STPM excellent students just got offered by Datuk Wee Ka Siong to do medicine in UM.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 28 2011, 12:58 PM

To all vying for places in UK/Aussie unis next year : Pressure, Pressure!!


This post has been edited by podrunner: Aug 28 2011, 01:44 PM

since this topic is brought up, let me shed some light...

from observations amongst the 1st years students in critical science based courses in ipta (medicine, dentistry, pharmacy), stpm now only account for 5-15% of students......and in some ipta like uitm, it will be zero......

this applies also to non-malays......eg a cohort of 9 chinese pharmacy students in a top ipta, only one came from stpm.......

it will be such, obviously, when there are 300+ stpm vs 2000 matrik students with cgpa 4.0..........

while to say stpm route is cut off into ipta is not true, it certainly is a much more difficult and uncertain route......and getting one of the 10% of matrik places allowed for non-malays become like a small scholarship in itself (and indeed, for the first time, giving a matrik place was ONE of the jpa 'scholarships'!!)......for you pathway becomes much more secure.....

all this is of course, a very sorry state of affair, but it does NOT justify the laissez faire and mercenary approach to doctor training in ipts/3rd world overseas med schools........

The other point is that despite the limited places in Ipta for medical students, more parents are sending their children overseas,oz or uk, for medic, partly also due to the comparative fees payable to IMU or Monash. Those lucky enough to secure an overseas posting after graduation will be a boost.

imu-pms is an easier backdoor pathway into 1st world med schools........and is a bit cheaper than direct entry..........

many parents are eyeing one of the coveted places, as it is usually a ticket for the student/family out of msia.....i know many students amongst my friends and acquaintances who have graduated from uk and oz within the last 5 years, both private and scholars......and i only know of one who came back to msia to work from nz.....several of course ended up in spore......

so limeuu, what do you have to say about uitm's med school?
i would like to read your opinions

Tell me about it!!

Problem with medical degree either from local uni or 3rd world country is recognition.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 28 2011, 03:18 PM

Pms choices are getting lesser and competition are getting keener, so by paying slighty more, your choice is assured.

Australia is getting ridiculously expensive - I wouldn't be surprised if Malaysian candidates will soon be priced out of studying here.

Monash University - and I really have to hand it to them - they sure know how to do business:

2010 MBBS tuition fee for international students: AUD 52,000

2011 MBBS tuition fee for international students: AUD 56,800

2012 MBBS tuition fee for international students: AUD 59,810

So, we have an increase of nearly 8,000 dollars in 2 years and yet demand still far out-strips supply - though I'm pretty sure the Malaysian numbers at Monash have dwindled over the last couple of years (JPA no longer sends medical students to Aus; not sure whether JPA PMS-route is still alive)

5 years in Australia would add up to roughly AUD 400,000 (including living expenses), at today's exchange rate adds up to over 1.2 million ringgit. So, to prospective applicants (who can afford the fees anyway), there's very little to sweat about provided you perform reasonably well in your pre-U/ISAT/interview. The money will kill off most of the competition for you - how many parents do you think have 1.2 million ringgit sitting around?

no it wouldn't......remember you are NOT only competing with msians......you are competing with potential students from 40-50 countries around the world, including spore, thailand, indonesia, hk, taiwan, korea, prc, africa, europe, and also usa........and trust me, there are a lot of people whom aud400k is sup sup sui......prc's have been known to walk into sydney and buy multiple million dollar properties with cash......

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Added on August 28, 2011, 6:10 pmas a rough assessment, talking to imu students about their grades used to enter, i estimate 80% of imu-pms students will NOT be able to get direct entry into uk/oz........and i know many are in imu because they have no choice.......they have applied and got no offers.......

yes, the main downside to imu is the lucky draw at the end to determine where you end up.....but at least there is a decent chance of getting into oz/uk if you ensure you are within the top 75% of your cohort.......jeffersons (and soon miami) remains a rare pathway for people to enter the american system.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 28 2011, 06:10 PM