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 [Official News] Bandwidth Throttling by TMnet, on heavy users/downloaders?

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andrew9292
post Aug 30 2009, 08:54 PM

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okay, if so, who is going to pay for our lawyer fees, consultation, court fees and so on...... o

easy to say all this, but it's hard to organize one that will actually work.

doing something this big will require much effort and resources, do we have that?

do we not have our lives with more important things to attend do? think of that before actually trying something...

organizing something that big will not work in lowyat forum... just take a look at kopitiam itself...
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post Aug 30 2009, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(andrew9292 @ Aug 30 2009, 08:54 PM)
okay, if so, who is going to pay for our lawyer fees, consultation, court fees and so on...... o

easy to say all this, but it's hard to organize one that will actually work.

doing something this big will require much effort and resources, do we have that?

do we not have our lives with more important things to attend do? think of that before actually trying something...

organizing something that big will not work in lowyat forum... just take a look at kopitiam itself...
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simply said...

"we start small, we may end big"


yes. this wont be easy, and it wont take 1-2 days works...considering the massive amount of research, discussions, money, time, and all that need to be done. that is for preparation. during the trial itself, some may surrender (there will be even before that). We need to be dedicate, commited, full of spirits to fulfill our dream.

what is in my humble brain is..1st, we start as lowyat.net forumers. then, we expand it to our relatives...to our friends...our colleagues...neighbours. this may take 1-2 years. then we expand it even further, coveing all areas of the country.

during that period, there will be demonstrations...explainations...seminars...(add more yourself i couldn't think more). well, it may not necessarily about bashing TMnet, it is more about educating peoples, explaining to them their rights, what these companies did.

look at Gerakan Mansuhkan PPSMI. They took years and massive amoint of work. but due to the hardship they endure, their dedication towards realizing their dream to mansuhan PPSMI, they did get what they dream of at the end (need to wait until 2012 to see the result).

last but not least, if..i said, IF someone did able to sue TMnet, and he has been promoting and asking peoples to join him, but no one ever care. In the end he did, but alone. He sue TMnet and obtain large sum of money or maybe he ask court to make sure all his wishes are fulfilled by tmnet for the sake of public such as make sure everyone get atleast 80% of what they are promised to in their ads, stable and fast connection. Peoples who know him, whom he ask and promote to join him through out his adventure to make sure TMnet were punished, may think, why the hell I didn't jion him? why? if he able to do that alone, we combined together may achieve even further. And if you are one of them, would you feel ashemed because he did ask you, but u refuse, yet he give up his chance to be millionaire by asking court to make sure TMnet behave properly after trial for the sake of public? He didn't get anything to fulfill his selfishness, but he give them to all of you. if that is the case, nah, i wouldn't even has the gut to face him...talk through phone also no gut.


Added on August 30, 2009, 9:30 pmowh yeah..before i forgot, we cant expect to gain something without investing something first. at least...the energy of urs already enuff.

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post Aug 30 2009, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(sakurazaka @ Aug 30 2009, 03:45 AM)
abubin, your arguments are somewhat flawed especially when you draw comparison with other ISPs. To serve as a comparison, virginmedia (one of uk's largest broadband provider) provides a 20Mb/s unlimited package for £20 (http://allyours.virginmedia.com/websales/product.do?id=3246 and yes, it's cheaper than our 4Mb/s package!) but subject to their Acceptable Usage Policy ("AUP"). For this AUP, once a certain threshold is met, the speed is throttled to 1/4 of the subscribed speed for a limited period, in this case it will be 5Mb/s which is still very usable speed. Best yet, virginmedia does not throttle any traffic. Back to our own backyard, I'm finding it hard to believe that TM needs to introduce fair usage clauses, p2p throttling, and now quota-based throttling for broadband speed of just mere 1Mb/s-4Mb/s packages. Others only started bringing in these mechanism when 10Mb/s-20Mb/s is the norm and even then, the threshold and quota they provided is quite reasonable especially when you take their pricing into account.

TM's net profit is about a billion every year. Do elaborate on how they are going out of business in any manner.
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When you want to compare with other countries, you have to look at overall advancement in those countries. Like the implementation of backbones line there and the living standard of the people there and even things like social awareness in downloading piracy in there.

Does £10 equal to RM10 here? How much does £10 can buy you think over in UK compared to Malaysia AFTER the conversion? Currency value is not just about the conversion but also the living standard and other scale of economy.

The development there allows them to offer huge bandwidth catering for all the high bandwidth users and still can provide satisfactory service after 1/4 throttling. What about in Malaysia? Does the same things can be applied? I do not know but tm people will know. My point is, you are not looking at the overall picture. Keep on complaining like wah Singapore already have 100mbps line!! Why here still so slow...blah blah blah. Looking things at surface value is what Malaysians only can do.


Added on August 30, 2009, 10:20 pm
QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Aug 30 2009, 11:20 AM)
Not all ISP for real, streamyx don't have Fair Bandwidth Usage Policy yet, because it is not official, only certain user complaining their internet/intranet bandwidth capped, does not mean it apply all user, to think of, why TMNet buying more bandwidth when user heavy download because international bandwidth are rising...? Like AAG, they paying for it, they have bunch of money pocket there, thats not the reason... we are going to be capped for that reason, they just wanna keep our money pocked saved and not improving the speed pings and bandwidth issue to certain user...
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Who says streamyx does not have FUP?

http://www.streamyx.com/customer_care/cust...ir_usage_policy

If only people care to look. I already saw that like more than 6 months ago. I also remember seeing something like 10mb. It could be from another ISP's FUP or they edited it.

Anyway...ALL broadband provider now have FUP whether they call it one name or another. Only most users IGNORE them when they sign up. They did not even bother to question about them. I remember when I was looking to sign up Maxis' 3G service, I asked about this FUP by maxis in this forum but nobody even bother to find out what it is. All they cared is to compare what speed they are getting and how much they can download per day. Sure, when maxis started, they want your business, hence you can download at a comfortable rate. But then they start capping them, they will start complaining like some b**** and talking about consumer rights and all.

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post Aug 30 2009, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(Invince_Z @ Aug 30 2009, 08:46 PM)
r u one of them? if not...u and i, all of us should join together fighting them in this mess created by TMnet.
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i'll join the bandwagon if i'm under streamyx, but for now, no. as i'm currently using maxis wired broadband and i'm very satisfied with the service.
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post Aug 30 2009, 10:49 PM

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aha..ok then. hope u enjoy the maxis bb
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post Aug 30 2009, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Aug 30 2009, 05:40 PM)
LOL
this is HD

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lol, there will be someone to tell you don't watch HD video online,go buy lah. You have no social live meh, always sit in front of computer? thumbup.gif
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buy also need to sit in front of pc/tv. doh.gif
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post Aug 30 2009, 11:25 PM

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post Aug 31 2009, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(fabianz03 @ Aug 30 2009, 05:25 PM)
LOL The world is in HD now.
What happen if we wanna stream HD media with their internet?

10GB? This is so last century!
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correction. the entire world is not in HD. is rtm, tv3, astro, etc. streaming in HD?

HELL NO!!!!!!

this backward country won't have the capabilities to let it's citizens watch tv in HD until the year 3030.

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post Aug 31 2009, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(nwk @ Aug 31 2009, 12:24 AM)
correction. the entire world is not in HD. is rtm, tv3, astro, etc. streaming in HD?

HELL NO!!!!!!

this backward country won't have the capabilities to let it's citizens watch tv in HD until the year 3030.
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what baffles me is that RTM has that HD running for a while last time during testing period iianm.
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post Aug 31 2009, 12:31 AM

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HD in RTM??? Won't even bother to see it... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 31 2009, 01:05 AM

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What makes RTM think we would like to watch their HD show?

Meh even most malaysian subscribe ASTRO for sports.
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post Aug 31 2009, 01:09 AM

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slowly IPTV will take over astro...

there are few company wanted to launch IPTV or TM IPTV is launch soon...

once HSBB is available nationwide. IPTV will slowly become famous,.
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who what to subscribe to tmnut hsbb after all this nonesense with streamyx? waste of money to subscribe just to get low speed and all kinds of ridiculous problems.
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QUOTE(Suk @ Aug 31 2009, 01:09 AM)
slowly IPTV will take over astro...

there are few company wanted to launch IPTV or TM IPTV is launch soon...

once HSBB is available nationwide. IPTV will slowly become famous,.
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I agree but IPTV is a bandwith hunger application due to streaming, so far i think the usage is to limit p2p traffic not other traffic related :-) based on my deep understanding on their fair usage policy
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HSBB ? DREAM ON! wait a few more years. After SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many years and we are still using the same speed and package.
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QUOTE(abubin @ Aug 30 2009, 10:10 PM)
Who says streamyx does not have FUP?

http://www.streamyx.com/customer_care/cust...ir_usage_policy

If only people care to look. I already saw that like more than 6 months ago. I also remember seeing something like 10mb. It could be from another ISP's FUP or they edited it.

Anyway...ALL broadband provider now have FUP whether they call it one name or another. Only most users IGNORE them when they sign up. They did not even bother to question about them. I remember when I was looking to sign up Maxis' 3G service, I asked about this FUP by maxis in this forum but nobody even bother to find out what it is. All they cared is to compare what speed they are getting and how much they can download per day. Sure, when maxis started, they want your business, hence you can download at a comfortable rate. But then they start capping them, they will start complaining like some b**** and talking about consumer rights and all.
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btw, u say when people sign up streamyx they never read the FUP.. b4 i sign up, i dont see the FUP at all then till many people starts applying & use to downloading files a lot, then they started make the FUP.. that's why i didnt agree any FUP cuz they juz made FUP after i already signed up.. i apply streamyx very long time already..
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QUOTE(MX510 @ Aug 31 2009, 03:23 AM)
I agree but IPTV is a bandwith hunger application due to streaming, so far i think the usage is to limit p2p traffic not other traffic related :-) based on my deep understanding on their fair usage policy
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HAHAHAHAHAH imagine 100Mbps with 50GB cap and with IPTV summore...
we must not watch so much TV or our line will get capped!!

sluggish HD TV FTW!!
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QUOTE(A183RT0 @ Aug 31 2009, 06:24 AM)
btw, u say when people sign up streamyx they never read the FUP.. b4 i sign up, i dont see the FUP at all then till many people starts applying & use to downloading files a lot, then they started make the FUP.. that's why i didnt agree any FUP cuz they juz made FUP after i already signed up.. i apply streamyx very long time already..
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agree with u. i sign up in 2004 but there is no fup in the t&c.
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