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post Aug 30 2009, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Aug 30 2009, 02:06 AM)
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Not all ISP for real, streamyx don't have Fair Bandwidth Usage Policy yet, because it is not official, only certain user complaining their internet/intranet bandwidth capped, does not mean it apply all user, to think of, why TMNet buying more bandwidth when user heavy download because international bandwidth are rising...? Like AAG, they paying for it, they have bunch of money pocket there, thats not the reason... we are going to be capped for that reason, they just wanna keep our money pocked saved and not improving the speed pings and bandwidth issue to certain user...
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Files are getting larger and larger... Even one website, can also be high bandwidth consumption (those with flash everywhere)... TMnut should be increasing their bandwidth instead of limiting the bandwidth of their users... We all get this sh*t speed, poor customer service and now this bandwidth cap, how are the users going to be happy?

It's time to improve, really, people outside the nation get speed like 5Mbps, 10Mbps and so on... We are still stucking on 512kbps??? Really, stop squeezing the money in your pocket for more space to put more money TM, try to improve everything and I am sure, your pocket will be bigger...
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QUOTE(SeaGates @ Aug 30 2009, 12:55 AM)
If you really want to appreaciate HD media, pay the directors, support original instead of downloading for free, clogging up all the bandwidth and complain about not able to download your HD porn because you got capped.
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Porns are not even protected by laws, do you see any porns directors go and sue peoples because they download "illegal" copy of their porn artworks like MPAA does? You're a funny fella dude.

QUOTE(SeaGates @ Aug 30 2009, 12:55 AM)
TMnet definitely has bigger infrastructure than P!, not to mention P1 running cost would be higher than TMnet. TMnet already has ready hardware in place(phone lines etc.). I have never said TMnet is innocent in this case, nor I conclusively say they're guilty, but I am sure that downloaders are guilty.
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So, they have better infrastructures, ready hardwares all over the places, and after all these years running that, as you said, their running cost are lower than P1, so why not use the extra incomes for better services? Instead of giving it out to cronies?
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It's TMNet fault in the first place, why they put Unlimited, and now going to cap...? Thats ridiculous...

Thats true, if they put cap, thats CC gonna gulung tikar then...

What for applying HSBB if it means for capping people. TMNet just don't know what is consumer business are all about...

So what this report means, http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html they are gaining more and more for years...

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QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Aug 30 2009, 11:50 AM)
So, they have better infrastructures, ready hardwares all over the places, and after all these years running that, as you said, their running cost are lower than P1, so why not use the extra incomes for better services? Instead of giving it out to cronies?
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even so called P1 who own less-better-than-tmnet infrastructure, and bear higher cost running as an ISP cappable of introducing 10mbps package. doh.gif

tmnet with long track record for almost 20 years should be able to offer something better. isn't it? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(abubin @ Aug 30 2009, 02:06 AM)

BTW, I am not saying I agree with this overselling policy. In fact, I disapprove of such policy but it has been used in a lot of other countries and other things. If only users question about such policy before accepting them and pressuring them when they try to pull this one then it could be avoided but not so easy without relevant authority playing a role in this overselling issue.
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Overselling by itself is not the problem. It is practised in other industries as well and if done correctly, it can actually benefit users especially when it comes to lowering the costs of service. It is massive overselling or irresponsible overselling that causes problems. I think that is what TM has probably done. They do not have enough capacity to cater for all the new users they have taken on in recent months / years. Their expansion of their infrastructure and bandwidth capacity has not been in line with the expansion of their user base. This plus the fact that internet usage patterns and applications of users have changed in recent years as compared to the initial usage for mainly email and web surfing in the earlier years.

I think another thing that has happened recently is that there may be many users on 1Mb packages who have upgraded to 2 / 4Mb packages due to the slow downs in the past few months, thinking that they would be assigned "premium IPs" and have better speeds. In general, these may be users who download a lot, so they want faster and better connections. If so, this in turn means that more users are downloading more at higher pseeds and this would have contributed to access being slow again, probably due to lack of capacity from TM to support all these users. So things started slowing down in general even with "premium IPs". So you end up paying almost double what you used to and getting equal or less than what you used to. As I said before, you have just rewarded TM for giving you poor services instead of punishing them.


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QUOTE(eternalshiroh @ Aug 30 2009, 09:44 AM)
seagates, again, u r a super stupid person
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Oh so now you're the smartest person in this thread. Tell me how TMNet should manage their bandwidth then?

4 meg for everybody, unlimited bandwidth for RM88 or MAYBE they should just give you the connection for free.

QUOTE(speed393 @ Aug 30 2009, 11:38 AM)
Files are getting larger and larger... Even one website, can also be high bandwidth consumption (those with flash everywhere)... TMnut should be increasing their bandwidth instead of limiting the bandwidth of their users... We all get this sh*t speed, poor customer service and now this bandwidth cap, how are the users going to be happy?

It's time to improve, really, people outside the nation get speed like 5Mbps, 10Mbps and so on... We are still stucking on 512kbps??? Really, stop squeezing the money in your pocket for more space to put more money TM, try to improve everything and I am sure, your pocket will be bigger...
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How fast you really want to watch these media file really? 512kbps is a far cry from dail up era. 3-4 youtube windows open, let it buffer for 2-3 minutes as I do other stuff on the PC and every one of them can stream properly after that. Unless you're the kind that watch anime on youtube, or you stare at the streaming bar of your video(in which case, you really need a life).

QUOTE(FarCry3r @ Aug 30 2009, 11:50 AM)
Porns are not even protected by laws, do you see any porns directors go and sue peoples because they download "illegal" copy of their porn artworks like MPAA does? You're a funny fella dude.
So, they have better infrastructures, ready hardwares all over the places, and after all these years running that, as you said, their running cost are lower than P1, so why not use the extra incomes for better services? Instead of giving it out to cronies?
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You're even a funnier fella. I am using 'HD porn' just as example and you jumped straight in and started attacking. These 'HD media' include other things like BD rips of your favorite movie. Woo, Bumblebee in 1920x1080 for free!

Their ready infrastructures(telephone lines) are old, and you've to have lost your brain if you think it's cheap to lay down new last mile infrastructure to cater for high speed boardband. If they're going to lay down new last miles infrastructure for entire Malaysia do you think you will still get RM88 for 1mbps connection?

Final thought, if you all have to rant this much about the bandwidth cap.SWITCH to other ISP like Jaring/P1 then judging by how holier than thou you guys have placed them in here compared to TMNet.

This is turning into something like petrol station rant where everybody is cursing the petrol station thinking they're reaping huge profit.

Restressing my points

- I support this unpopular move.
- I do not agree on their capping method where they restrict not only your connection speed, but also traffic access to media sites(which I disagree)
- I do not care about cronies or monopolies. No doubt my head is on the chopping board if they hike my price or implement policies such as this, but if last mile has been unbundled for open competition, all the telecoms competing will have to build their own infrastructure to connect their clients, that will raise cost and subsequently, service fees.
- Their propose cap limit is too low.
- If you've been capped because the cap limit is too low, I am sorry for you because I've been in your shoe.
- If you've been capped because you're a prick that likes to have P2P on 24/7 365 downloading things that you don't watch nor use. f*** you, I don't give a damn about you.

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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Aug 30 2009, 11:53 AM)
It's TMNet fault in the first place, why they put Unlimited, and now going to cap...? Thats ridiculous...
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Again, you should not be taken in by the word "unlimited". Unlimted broadband, unlimited access, unlimted usage etc can be defined or interpreted differently. I ask again, has anyone seen any reference by TM saying that our packages gives "unlimited data transfer"? That defines the amount of download / upload.

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QUOTE(SeaGates @ Aug 30 2009, 05:19 AM)
Nonsensical because all you care about is unlimited bandwidth

Again I have to stress that unlimited usage does not equal to unlimited bandwidth. Capping speed brings 2 effect, one is reducing bandwidth cost(on TM's side), and the other is freeing up the infrastructure so there is more traffic volume for other user to use.

I am keeping my stand on that.

As for why I am capped, let me tell you that my dad downloaded W7 RC 3 times, why? Because he didn't know microsoft java based downloader support resume. And he thought that the RC keys only work with the current copied being downloaded. Aside from that, I listen to online radio which while doesn't take up much SPEED, it can gobble bandwidth as it's constantly streaming.

On average, streaming radio/youtube nets me below 10 GB per month, well below the testing threshold.

Why you compare so subjectively on UK ISP? Why not compare Australia's? They impose bandwidth cap as well as well as metered usage after limit. Go rant on that.

I may be a pot, but you're a kettle rusting with holes. You're probably the kind that walks into a cafe with free refill, orders one drink, and share it among a dozen friends.

My only complaint is that their capping policy not only slow you down by changing your connection speed, they also restrict traffic from sites. They've just uncapped me and now I am able to stream youtube/dailymotion and access gmail, before this the flash players on media sites refuse to works.
Again, what you said doesn't make sense. TM itself has always been promoting streamyx with "always on" and "unlimited usage" broadband connection. And majority of us signed up on those packages based on what TM advertises. "Unlimited usage does not equal to unlimited bandwidth" is just a term that you coined yourself. Your argument of unlimited bandwidth only make sense when we have "true" unlimited download speed and unlimited disk space to hold all that unlimited bandwidth! As it is subscribers are already limited to their download speed subscribed and how much data they can hold into their HDD! So inadvertently there is a limit there!

I for one, do not care about what you uses the internet for, you may say you download the W7 3 times or even 100 times. Hell, you may even download HD porn 24/7 for all i know. I seriously don't give a shit. I only want the ability to reach 80% of my subscribed speed when i want it from my ISP. Besides, as consumers, naturally we would want the best bang for our bucks, why you want to think otherwise is beyond me. I have no issue if there is a cap or some sort of restriction provided it is REASONABLE but to throttle just a mere 1Mb/s (or even 4Mb/s) package to 1/4 of the speed is just plain ridiculous. That's why i brought in the previous example of virginmedia where the throttling is reasonable given the speed and price offered. At least 1/4 of 20Mb/s is still very usable speed for all purposes.

I knew you would bring Australian ISPs in but they're definitely a poor example as Australia is the only country in the world where such practices is the norm. You should name some other ISPs in the world where the majority of the users are using 512kbps-1Mb/s packages with p2p, bandwidth and speed throttling enforced then your argument would somewhat hold water. However, why do you even want to bring in Australian ISPs when tens if not hundreds of other ISP around the world doesn't practice such system? A weak argument don't you say? I suggest you read this article here posted by another user to enlighten yourself (http://business.theage.com.au/business/isps-should-pay-no-mind-to-the-cap-20090824-ewkk.html).

I can see why you're resorting to personal insults when your arguments are weak begin with. However, you're the one who barge in here whining about how you cannot get your radio, youtube etc fix. Suck it up man, most of us is facing the same shit at the moment. At least you have yours uncap.


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Yes I got my uncap so why am I still here? I should probably heck care and just go enjoy my 512kbps(no doubt it's only half of 1mbps)

If you don't give a shit, don't go pointing out why am I capped. you should probably just ignore my entire post and don't read it biggrin.gif

Again, unlimited usage does not equal to unlimited bandwidth. If you can't swallow that, sorry man, I see cave monkeys using the internet. In other part of the world they still call boardband unlimited access, but users use them with responsible unlike us, downloading and P2P'ing 24/7.

Malaysian mentality twisted unlimited usage into free buffet.

I've done saying my points, and when the technician call up to confirm my uncapping later I'll give me my feedback.

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Guys, no use arguing about this...UNCAPPED or CAPPED, if you not satisfied just go to other ISP..

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QUOTE(mylinear @ Aug 30 2009, 01:08 PM)
Again, you should not be taken in by the word "unlimited".  Unlimted broadband, unlimited access, unlimted usage etc can be defined or interpreted differently. I ask again, has anyone seen any reference by TM saying that our packages gives "unlimited data transfer"? That defines the amount of download / upload.
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Well, i didn't see any“limited bandwidth using" in their T&C as well, If Maxis, P1 can stated down how many bandwidth can be used in their T&C, why don't TM do it at the very beginning?
Also, are you guys really believe that after this bandwidth capping, TM will improve the services? Another thing is RM88+RM26 for 1Mps, it is really a reasonable price for you? If not, why still have some people keep saying 'you want more, you pay more'?


Added on August 30, 2009, 1:35 pm[quote=SeaGates,Aug 30 2009, 01:21 PM]
Again, unlimited usage does not equal to unlimited bandwidth. If you can't swallow that, sorry man, I see cave monkeys using the internet. In other part of the world they still call boardband unlimited access, but users use them with responsible unlike us, downloading and P2P'ing 24/7.


Can you give some example on how you know they use their bandwidth more reasonable than us? From what i know, even in advanced country, there still have users downloading 24/7.

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QUOTE(eternalshiroh @ Aug 30 2009, 01:31 PM)
Well, i didn't see any“limited bandwidth using" in their T&C as well, If Maxis, P1 can stated down how many bandwidth can be used in their T&C, why don't TM do it at the very beginning?
Also, are you guys really believe that after this bandwidth capping, TM will improve the services? Another thing is RM88+RM26 for 1Mps, it is really a reasonable price for you? If not, why still have some people keep saying 'you want more, you pay more'?


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QUOTE(SeaGates @ Aug 30 2009, 01:21 PM)

Again, unlimited usage does not equal to unlimited bandwidth. If you can't swallow that, sorry man, I see cave monkeys using the internet. In other part of the world they still call boardband unlimited access, but users use them with responsible unlike us, downloading and P2P'ing 24/7.

Can you give some example on how you know they use their bandwidth more reasonable than us? From what i know, even in advanced country, there still have users downloading 24/7.
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Everywhere you go, in any country, there must be heavy downloader... despite on what package they on. And again, from my understanding, unlimited usage means unlimited bandwidth usage... and always on means you're going to 27/7/a year... thats what I understand from what TMNet showing from their ads, so attractive... but slowmyx to certain user.

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QUOTE(SeaGates @ Aug 30 2009, 12:55 PM)

4 meg for everybody, unlimited bandwidth for RM88 or MAYBE they should just give you the connection for free.
How fast you really want to watch these media file really? 512kbps is a far cry from dail up era. 3-4 youtube windows open, let it buffer for 2-3 minutes as I do other stuff on the PC and every one of them can stream properly after that. Unless you're the kind that watch anime on youtube, or you stare at the streaming bar of your video(in which case, you really need a life).


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3-4 youtubes opened and buffered for 2-3 minutes then you can watch them properly? have u even tried it or what?! im a hardcore youtuber, i cant even load a single video 100% complete without waiting for more than 15minutes per video for 3 weeks already(infact, im loading a video now 50% complete only after 8 minutes long without doing anything else beside reading this thread!). FYI, them videos are not even HQ/HD enabled.

I have doubt that ure capped, please check ur speed properly again ya?
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QUOTE(eternalshiroh @ Aug 30 2009, 01:31 PM)
Well, i didn't see any“limited bandwidth using" in their T&C as well, If Maxis, P1 can stated down how many bandwidth can be used in their T&C, why don't TM do it at the very beginning?
Also, are you guys really believe that after this bandwidth capping, TM will improve the services? Another thing is RM88+RM26 for 1Mps, it is really a reasonable price for you? If not, why still have some people keep saying 'you want more, you pay more'?
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It is most likely that in the beginning, there was no need to state any limits in the packages as the usage in the early days were different from nowadays. The other ISPs especialy wireless came along much later and they state limits in order to manage the capacity that they have. Also using unlimited is a good marketing way to get users as users like to think that they are getting a lot (unlimted) without having to pay a lot of money. Again, there is no such thing as unlimited.

AFAIK, TM has not stated unlimited data transfer. Thus they can implement data transfer limits if they want. It is users who have come to expect that they can have as much data transfer as they want for their packages. Since we have not been restricted in the early days, we continue to expect to be unrestricted. But I do not think it was stated anywhere that we would forever be unrestricted when it comes to data transfer.


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Wow, "unlimited" plan with 10gb capacity... rclxm9.gif thumbup.gif

Now, even better, HSBB by Tmnet..

with the speed of 100mbps.. then it can reach 10gb in juz..emm blink.gif , can someone calculate for me?? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wai57 @ Aug 30 2009, 03:06 PM)
3-4 youtubes opened and buffered for 2-3 minutes then you can watch them properly? have u even tried it or what?! im a hardcore youtuber, i cant even load a single video 100% complete without waiting for more than 15minutes per video for 3 weeks already(infact, im loading a video now 50% complete only after 8 minutes long without doing anything else beside reading this thread!). FYI, them videos are not even HQ/HD enabled.

I have doubt that ure capped, please check ur speed properly again ya?
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Thats y i said he is fool. a standard youtube video bit rate will be around 600kbps. and thats means for a ten minutes video, you have to use more than 10 minutes to wait for it finished buffer(in fact, it tooks me 15 minutes to finshed).
in his mind, heavy bandwidth usage means porn rclxms.gif
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hy guys, i wanna ask, how u define this...no 1 and 2.

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mine is:
no. 1: means u can on9 24/7 365 days non-stop. no disconnection, no what-so-ever shyiet!!

no. 2: means no bandwidth limitation. do whatever you like. use it like it is ur mother father...ur ancestors property. download..upload...like there is no tomorrow. nuff said.


*download/upload here refer to general meaning. u must download/upload whenver u connected to internet.


now..can we sue them already? it is impossible both mean same thing.

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I don't care what they do, all I know is they can go die. We Malaysians are not stupid, we will somehow find a way to bypass this.
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Lets put P1, Celcom , Maxis everything aside. Its because they are all WIRELESS . So you're prone to slow speeds ,disconnection and those kind of stuff. Its the weakness of the technology itself

Now lets take a look at TM. It can be clearly seen that TM has done tons of overselling . Hence the whole slowdowns , now they are trying to discourage users from over consuming the Internet. Its typically normal. First they tried to limit p2p usage by simply imposing dynamic throttling to p2p packets. But then this didn't stop the pirates , they found out another way and on top of that we do have seen people making money out of this whole situation by starting Torrent services , VPN to overcome this. Now TM is going to put a stop to all this by imposing bandwidth cap. Fair enough , i for once agree if they impose bandwidth cap under these conditions

1. Increase our speed. 4Mbps and 10Mbps are bit too little. Minimum should be 2Mbps for the low-end package and 6Mbps for normal package and 14Mbps for high end packages.

2. No throttling of p2p services and other things till we have reached our limits - I don't want double D (Double damn that is) , firstly enforcing cap and secondly limiting p2p as well. Once the user has reached his/her quota , fair enough. Throttle all of his connection by all means


3. Reasonable data limit - Don't give us something like 5GB for 1Mbps package or something. Its just plain stupid and thats only valid if we are in umm 1999 or 2000 .Patches for our OS , games itself is around 300-500MB !

4. Allow users to buy more bandwidth by paying extra - This way it would discourage heavy downloaders a lot. Even if they insist on it , let them pay extra. Its that simple.

Thirdly , its again the Malaysian mentality . I've seen in public hotspots , people just turn on Xunlei and start downloading their TVB Serials. When I ask the person why he wants to run in on a public wifi hospot . He says its free and its none of my business and he is allowed to do so anything. (Another typical Malaysian , if its free - Lets make full use of it). I haven't seen people in Aussie and Singapore abuse free wifi services. Even if they do the numbers are very small. This has to change. Problem of joyriders. I've to agree with SeaGates on this one. What he said is very true


For those who are all complaining (yes I've been capped too but then i am not ranting that my speed is around 30Kilobytes/sec for a 4Mbps package every single thread) . Lets give TM a chance , shall we. Now if you say its slow , TM is just going to turn and say its all users fault for downloading via p2p (easy excuse eh ?). So my choice is for us to wait , lets see if this really improves our connection speed or not. If it does , I wouldn't mind as I know that as long I dont hit the cap , I would be enjoying quality Internet . but then if things are still the same after this , by all means - we have the right to complain and bash TM. Lets just wait and see



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