no, he's meant the girl gave so much to him already, at least he should contribute back some, stop twisting people's word.

From wat kind of view u say tat im loaded? u meet me b4...but u havent seen my car,my salary payslip,my savings acct yet!

there are too many materialistic gals out there....im not a "fool"...I'm always beware as I always tell myself tat

THERE IS NO GALS CAN LIE/CHEAT on me!

Please don't make this personal k?
We don't know TS and his wife. We are merely looking at the situation as outsiders.
You cannot deny that there are people who are shallow yes? There are guys who treat girls badly too ok?

You don't know me so I don't have to defend myself

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Added on May 12, 2009, 3:33 pmThanks monashguy. You are the guy with the brain.

This post has been edited by barista: May 12 2009, 03:33 PM

You are missing the point, this has nothing to do with animals, you are trying to distort my point.

A wife is not chattel to be maintained.

What the heck is maintenance in this modern age?

Bernard is driving a nice car will really showing that u are a man with good income?? Then last week I was driving a mini cooper s on the road so isit mean that I am rich and every one want to be my friends and now my turn, Do i need to say something and learn something just like u?? Guys are materialistic too??? I am not a "fool"??? no guys can lie/cheat me and to be " little white face"? aiks...

Then until when u can get marry o?????

This post has been edited by cutiepooh: May 12 2009, 03:36 PM

are you trying to tell me it's not men's duty to take care of the wife and children?? Since you talk modern age, then children don't follow father's name and women the word "Mrs" shouldn't follow the man?? After all it's "modern"

This post has been edited by monashguy: May 12 2009, 03:37 PM

None of us are purview to the knowledge of how much they contributed to each other and it is none of our business.

My stance is that love and marriage is not a zero sum game and should never be a foundation for any marriage if a happy and fulfilling union of two souls is seeked for.

You are the one who's misreading postings here.

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Added on May 12, 2009, 3:40 pmShallow men mistreating women should be in another thread as that is not the point of contention here.

Your statements smack of shallowness i.e. using material trade-offs between spousal partners as some sort of reciprocal arrangement in forming a marriage union.



This post has been edited by SPS: May 12 2009, 03:40 PM

Who cares what name the children follow?

Anyway, it's the duty of both person to take care of each other and share the burden, not just the men.

Anyone that has known all the history of my postings knows what kind of person I am. I am not the kind to flame anyone, but it is indeed the duty of the guy to pay for the wedding especially if it's RM12k, but also TS failed to mention whether he's rich or poor, some guys can be so rich but yet stingy, however let's be honest, RM12k is really not a lot for a wedding, just take a wedding in Tai Thong or Overseas restaurant, I know even average people that is they over terrace house also go wedding there and it costs at least 20k-40k. Guys should pay for the wedding. End of story.

I'm not saying you are wrong or what.

TS put everything down with figures, telling the whole world how much he is spending on each and everything.

A guy who is not calculative will just mention one lump sum and he can still share his dilemma this way.

Dude, I myself tend to be even more verbose and bombastic than you... but I seriously doubt the people you're talking to will understand unless you use smaller words.

Which clearly shows how ridiculous your argument was with quoting studies of little girls dreaming of fairy tale weddings.

The point is do not try to justify your stance with psychological, cultural, biological, etc studies.

One can make personal choices.

Unfortunatly most gals thinking of tat,...they want to sit a comfortable car in order to tell their frens tat "my bf is sumthing"....they will nvr sit on local cars or public transport.Trust me...I know wats in their mind!

try to imagine,if a gal already used to sit toyota/honda...will she wants to sit any local car or kancil? I dun think she will accept it! Gals can't lie to me,mouth say "I dun mind" but I know wat they thinks!

Marry? I might start thinking of giving up for it...since there is no gals who can accept me & my "current status" as I know tat I can't compete with those who are much far better than me.Gals like to compare...I know!

This post has been edited by b3rnard7: May 12 2009, 03:47 PM

Girls should stay in the kitchen, period.

It is the duty of BOTH parents to care for their offspring.

You're just meet the wrong girl at the wrong time, that's all.

12K may be a mere pittance to you but it may be beyond the reach of others.

By quoting "end of story" in your sentence, it shows you up for the lack of maturity you display in a debate.

wei, i do have friends drive kancil, kelisa, saga ... what's wrong??? then mean i kick my ass not to sit inside and drive my own car???? haiz.... then I lend u my camry a day. can u promise u can get a gf too with a day?????

Well, I am old 'un so you have to pardon my french at times