sorry to hear of your problem, but if you guys are chinese then I agree it is your responsibility on the wedding bill, if you want the girls side to pay then marry a eurasian

Dowry 3k considered cheap

Photoshoot 2k considered cheap

wedding dinner 5k also considered cheap, and as mention you can ROI on this the same night, if lucky you may even make money

Conclusion, dont complaint, your future wife considered very very kind to you.

sorry, pls elaborate.

lost in england.

spousal matters?

nonono... i know what the word means.

But in relation to what moorish said:

she said she thinks TS' spouse is kind..

so you're being sarcastic? Or are you agreeing with her? 

Obviously someone very insensitive to girls dream
Obviously someone without a gf
thank you, after reading your post you made me really really appreciate my husband

Dont say like that la, you try to look at things on the parents side, they're handing their daughter to you, means she will be the boys family side, the grandson all follow the boys surname. And its only respectful that you at least compensate back something and this for 2000 years ago has been practice the boy pays the in laws money/gold.

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Added on May 12, 2009, 9:17 am

its not personal insult, personal insult would be like named calling moron or stupid or etc..... I'm saying very insensitive to girls feeling, btw you just insulted me about gold-digging without any prove...go read my thread and comment again, it is either you didnt read the whole thing and simply tembak or you dont understand english.

I think you better learn to read properly b4 you reply, I said he was disrespectful to the parents, notthing mention about the wedding, he can have mamak-stall teh tarik/roti reception for all I care, but saying the parents asking 3k is outrages? I think he and you is the one unclear of the concept.

BTW why you think bank offer loans for wedding?
Because they know people make money from it if plan wisely.

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Added on May 12, 2009, 10:13 am

Wah...then your comment is not worth for anyone to read..
Its like reading 5% of a book and conclude the storyline....

How many times must repeat this wan ha? I think these kinda remarks are used to scare girls to think this way, but in reality, dun just think this apply to rich guys la, open your eyes and look outside in the real world. Financial standing has nothing to do with itchy guys.

Poor and Rich flirt equally.

unfortunately, some pre-historic girls think that sharing is a sin.

You're harsh, it is women's right to be a bloodsucking leeches you know. After all girls leak blood every month and it's painful.

I will add 5 cents here, first 12k for wedding is not expensive, I don't understand people here, why married when you cannot afford it, I am a guy and I actually support girls looking for husbands who can support them, sure wife must understanding and all sorts, but based on research, women likes security and the fact is that RM12k is not a lot for wedding so the wife/gf is not willing to chip in is understandable, do you ever think from women's point of view. Research or studies have shown that women actually have planned their wedding since they are 5 years old. They have been thinking and thinking and planning up to the time of adulthood. You said couple give and take?? This a a fair way, man pays all, children follows guy's family name, if wife pays some, would you also give and take and some children follow the wife name and also your name follow the wife name?? Everything has it's price, women follow husbands name, children follow husband name and wife has to give birth and look after the children, the least a man can do is pay for the wedding!! I always tell people this, if you cannot afford to marry then don't do it, wait till financial ok, it is downright selfish. I am not a hyprocrite, my financial is not at the right way yet so I don't get married and have gf.  Marriages do go down in unhappyness due to financial and that is a fact.

I didn't say that, but I said man cannot have it everything his way, man wants wife to follow his name and everything else but when comes to money man pay nothing or wants to share. You can't have it both ways, it's a man's responsibility to pay for his wedding.    

Research or studies have shown that women actually have planned their wedding since they are 5 years old. They have been thinking and thinking and planning up to the time of adulthood.

I think in his gfs opinion, 12k is not really a big grand wedding, 12k inc of photo, dowry and reception all in wor, I would say is a very economical wedding lor. His gf is sad that TS took no initiative to even save 12k.

And some of the smartalec here (not you) maybe really expect a roti canai and teh tarik reception

Ehh... what about the number of times TS slept with the future wife?
The girl already lose some value by being with him over the years.

What is 12K? Some more want to complaint here.

Are you disputing the fact that women would have thought out their weddings from an early age? Ok so 5 may be a stretch but at least when they are old enough to understand the concept of being in a relationship. While I do not have studies to back up this claim I can safely say that if one were to conduct a test and ask 10 women, 9 out of the 10 would say they did.

The point is that while most men view weddings as mere a symbolic gesture and something they have to do to appease the family, women see it as a physical manisfestation of marriage. Men are known to forget birthdays, anniversaries and such but do most women? Like it or not we are different by design.

Because TS is being calculative first.
If you love your girl, you will give her the best and don't complaint.

It's just a figure of speech duh.
A girl who had devoted herself to you deserves more.

If TS tells us he is a guy who always buy her stuff, treat her to nice dinner, holidays... a reasonable girl will not mind him spending less on or chip in for a wedding.

Sometimes a girl can only be a princess once in her lifetime you know? Naturally she looks forward to it.

It's been my experience that Malaysians tend to present their opinions with the justification that "people are like that", "men/women are like that", "that's the norm in society", etc. That says a lot about their mentality. Not only are they conformists, they're shirking personal responsibility for their own views.

If you're a money-minded person who thinks money is more important than love, admit that you're a money-minded person who thinks money is more important than love. That's your opinion, your point of view, your outlook on life. Don't try to say "everyone is like that", as if this "everyone" is some dialectic shield that protects you from people challenging your views. If people challenge your views, defend them - and if you can't defend them, you might just have to reconsider them.

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Added on May 12, 2009, 3:26 pmNot to mention if you bring back the girl to Malaysia,  the living expenses is back in Malaysia and it's square one, can't afford to pay for wedding, you surely cannot afford to maintain her.