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 Official Microsoft Sidewinder Thread, Every Sidewinder - Framed and Reviewed

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post May 11 2009, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(Enigmare @ May 11 2009, 12:22 PM)
I only have a few for sale, just click on my siggy dude. wink.gif


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arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..i just wasted rm90 in less than a week... cry.gif
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post May 11 2009, 01:43 PM

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luckily I was RM1X =3 difference but still .... XD anyway

sell 15RM cheaper than kingcom from the first stock he sell .....


Added on May 11, 2009, 1:51 pm
QUOTE(Enigmare @ May 11 2009, 11:06 AM)
I think you're comparing 2 mice of different category and price range too. Mainly, the Lachesis is a WIRED mouse, and the X8 is WIRELESS. Either way, let's hope the Mamba will be here soon for real competition. laugh.gif
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if want to compare mamba ... both of them have similar function just
Mamba is:
-5600dpi
-Onboard Memory
-[b]Lighter Battery than X8

-Rubberized Grip
-Slim Wireless Port
X8 is:
-Bluetrack Optical
-Non-Rubberized
-Intellipoint, NO ON BOARD Memory
-All in one punk, no sepearation

This post has been edited by wingster: May 11 2009, 01:53 PM
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post May 11 2009, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(silencer @ May 11 2009, 01:35 PM)
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..i just wasted rm90 in less than a week... cry.gif
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laugh.gif The market price IS RM350 dude. Relax. wink.gif


Added on May 11, 2009, 2:01 pm
QUOTE(wingster @ May 11 2009, 01:43 PM)
luckily I was RM1X =3 difference but still .... XD anyway

sell 15RM cheaper than kingcom from the first stock he sell .....


Added on May 11, 2009, 1:51 pm
if want to compare mamba ... both of them have similar function just
Mamba is:
-5600dpi
-Onboard Memory
-[b]Lighter Battery than X8

-Rubberized Grip
-Slim Wireless Port
X8 is:
-Bluetrack Optical
-Non-Rubberized
-Intellipoint, NO ON BOARD Memory
-All in one punk, no sepearation
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laugh.gif The X8 has one advantage - Get a 3200mAh Super-Duty alkaline battery for heavy weight, get a cheapo Tesco battery for light weight. Hey, it's weight adjustable just like the original Sidewinder! laugh.gif

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post May 11 2009, 02:09 PM

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but the weight compare to Razer Mamba is damn far away. I know because the battery catridge is same as the Logitech G7 .... swap and charge also light but less battery lifetime

just mamba has insane price and X8 has decent price

at costs of rubber and non-rubberize between two of it

wireless charge & go all in one and wireless with light receiver + heavy charger

5600 and 4000

bluetrack and 3.5G Laser





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post May 11 2009, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(silencer @ May 11 2009, 01:35 PM)
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..i just wasted rm90 in less than a week... cry.gif
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thnx for the head-up.... thumbup.gif Life goes on...
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post May 11 2009, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Enigmare @ May 11 2009, 01:58 PM)
laugh.gif The X8 has one advantage - Get a 3200mAh Super-Duty alkaline battery for heavy weight, get a cheapo Tesco battery for light weight. Hey, it's weight adjustable just like the original Sidewinder! laugh.gif
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3200mAh its nimh (rechargeable) battery not alkaline.

And Tesco battery (alkaline) would'nt last long, and if u forgotten that ur using a non-rechargeable battery and u plug-in yer cable-charger.. "KABOOM!".. lol tongue.gif

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post May 11 2009, 09:06 PM

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Will it be "KABOOM!" so serious o_O .....

well I guess the better case might melt off the whole battery ....

oh yea I discovered the Razer Wireless port =_= is nice look but the port also quite big through ....

yes I disappoint that Razer Wireless port is just slightly small sized than Sidewinder ..... also the cons is cannot play while charge so you need to plug into wireless dock .... for charging and yet they have been receive the battery is pretty fast to run out as I did say before

Oh well still loved my Sidewinder and instead of getting just a-like of Mamba with a same tracking engine as Death Adder ... people will get Death Adder instead of Mamba with that 130 US Dollar price ......

and yet finally the research from YouTube due from the outer sea Mamba users, they take almost 4-5 hours for charging which is a big lose against the sidewinder X8 which only takes 2 hours (I did tested out for 1 and half hour for a full charge, also super long lasting)

Since the first day I charge, I would never charge for my mouse until now ..... o_o



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post May 12 2009, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(wingster @ May 11 2009, 09:06 PM)
Will it be "KABOOM!" so serious o_O .....

well I guess the better case might melt off the whole battery ....
It will explode but not like the whole mouse "berkecai" lah.. lol

Imo, the battery will just burst (like capacitors pops) and leaks out into the mouse and make it unusable.

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oh yea I discovered the Razer Wireless port =_= is nice look but the port also quite big through ....

yes I disappoint that Razer Wireless port is just slightly small sized than Sidewinder ..... also the cons is cannot play while charge so you need to plug into wireless dock .... for charging and yet they have been receive the battery is pretty fast to run out as I did say before

Small size meh?.. Sidewinder X8 much smaller and less bulky than Razer Mamba's charging-port.

Razer Mamba oso can "play while u charge" lar..

Razer Mamba actually has 2-ways to charge.

First way its... (u can charge while u play), which its a plug to attach on, like Sidewinder X8 does, but more finicky due the attachment its pretty big and must properly place to get connected (i saw a exhibition on Razer Mamba, even the promoter having problem attaching the charging cable to the mouse.. lmao.. sweat.gif) , unlike Sidewinder X8's magnet plug, its simple design yet extremely easy to attach on the mouse.

Second way of Razer Mamba to charge, its use its charge dock (aka docking station).. just like those digital camera charging dock, as u know that dock its just for show / blingbling, and the dock has 3 compartments/drawers built-in, for u to put some small stuffs into it.

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Oh well still loved my Sidewinder and instead of getting just a-like of Mamba with a same tracking engine as Death Adder ... people will get Death Adder instead of Mamba with that 130 US Dollar price ......

Razer Mamba its not using the same tracking engine as DeathAdder leh..

Razer Mamba its using 'laser', and DeathAdder using 'infrared'.

And abt the high price of Razer Mamba, imo due its "showcase design" aka "charging-dock" to showoff the mouse in a display box way.

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and yet finally the research from YouTube due from the outer sea Mamba users, they take almost 4-5 hours for charging which is a big lose against the sidewinder X8 which only takes 2 hours (I did tested out for 1 and half hour for a full charge, also super long lasting)

Since the first day I charge, I would never charge for my mouse until now ..... o_o
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Yea, same here.. So far all the reviews i read abt the charging time and battery life of Razer Mamba been pretty bad, from long charging time to short battery life (first few batches can't even charge the mouse doh.gif).

But one thing Razer Mamba and not much other mice has it, its "upgradeable firmware", so all these problems might be fixed by just upgrade its firmware.

Updated :
By think of it.. it might not the case, as Razer Mamba its a laser mouse, so theoretically it uses much more power to power up the mouse hence short battery life (as referred to Logitech G7 which its a wireless laser mouse and short battery life).

Cheers tongue.gif

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post May 12 2009, 07:50 AM

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does it can charge while you plug in the USB ....

I heard the people said, while you plug in ... the battery will not be charge isn it? oh well maybe I'm wrong .... Mamba looks cool but I still grab for X8 because I love for full long period of wireless freedom XD

actually many people has tested that the Razer kind of infrared is almost the same as the laser actually, to tell that they still using the same engine ..... unlike Bluetrack

also from the research I saw, the real eating battery is the razer LED light (can switch off on Mamba as I know) and the high DPI settings also the light weight battery shows the short lasting of battery capacity



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post May 12 2009, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(wingster @ May 12 2009, 07:50 AM)
does it can charge while you plug in the USB ....

I heard the people said, while you plug in ... the battery will not be charge isn it? oh well maybe I'm wrong .... Mamba looks cool but I still grab for X8 because I love for full long period of wireless freedom XD
It will charge, just like Sidewinder X8 does.. Just that earlier batches having problem charging the battery.

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actually many people  has tested that the Razer kind of infrared is almost the same as the laser actually, to tell that they still using the same engine ..... unlike Bluetrack

Sure boh.. same engine?.. as one using "infrared' and the other using "laser" woh..

Its understandable if u say it tracks as good as 'infrared 3G' tech..

Razer DeathAdder ('1800dpi Infrared 3G')
Razer Mamba ('5600dpi Laser 3.5G').

Actually, alot ppl prefer Razer's Infra-red 3G, as its proven better tracking than laser (compared to most laser mice).

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also from the research I saw, the real eating battery is the razer LED light (can switch off on Mamba as I know) and the high DPI settings also the light weight battery shows the short lasting of battery capacity
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Abt the LED light, as shld be able to turn off thru software like DeathAdder does.

And battery its light due using those battery pack (lithium ion) like the ones on mobilephones.

Light doesn't means better performance (in addition to the weight of the mouse), its more to personal reference.

Altho, i kinda miss the 1000hz pollingrate of Razer mice.. heh

Cheers tongue.gif

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Which makes me wonder why Razer stuck back to 3.5G laser in the first place... laugh.gif Is the BlueTrack technology Microsoft patented?? huh.gif
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post May 12 2009, 06:20 PM

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Maybe the laser engine suites to hit up 5600 DPI ....

Difference of the tracking engine compare to the Death Adder infrared I think... so that they made Mamba since to be more comfort and stylish as their main point for selling

While X8 yeah Sidewinder should learn be more stylish like Razer Mamba but they hit on mid-budget ... actually in US their official selling is 99 USD while they can get the 75 USD price which Mamba couldn't

Comfort+Stylish and Ergonomic looks(improve after Sidewinder =X)

Also .... 5600DPI Laser and 4000DPI Bluetrack ....

well Lasers versus Blue Optical

thats why both hard to be compare... if I have the money I should own both ..... =X
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QUOTE(wingster @ May 12 2009, 06:20 PM)
Maybe the laser engine suites to hit up 5600 DPI ....

Difference of the tracking engine compare to the Death Adder infrared I think... so that they made Mamba since to be more comfort and stylish as their main point for selling

While X8 yeah Sidewinder should learn be more stylish like Razer Mamba but they hit on mid-budget ... actually in US their official selling is 99 USD while they can get the 75 USD price which Mamba couldn't

Comfort+Stylish and Ergonomic looks(improve after Sidewinder =X)

Also .... 5600DPI Laser and 4000DPI Bluetrack ....

well Lasers versus Blue Optical

thats why both hard to be compare... if I have the money I should own both ..... =X
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I'm planning on buying the Mamba soon, wanna join me for bulk? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Enigmare @ May 12 2009, 05:02 PM)
Which makes me wonder why Razer stuck back to 3.5G laser in the first place... laugh.gif Is the BlueTrack technology Microsoft patented?? huh.gif
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Huh?.. what u meant by "stuck back"?..

'Laser 3.5G' its Razer latest technology, theres no other mice has it.

And yes, BlueTrack tech its inhouse developement by Microsoft, if not it will be like Microsoft Habu which has a Razer logo on it.. heh tongue.gif

QUOTE(wingster @ May 12 2009, 06:20 PM)
Maybe the laser engine suites to hit up 5600 DPI ....

Difference of the tracking engine compare to the Death Adder infrared I think... so that they made Mamba since to be more comfort and stylish as their main point for selling

While X8 yeah Sidewinder should learn be more stylish like Razer Mamba but they hit on mid-budget ... actually in US their official selling is 99 USD while they can get the 75 USD price which Mamba couldn't

Comfort+Stylish and Ergonomic looks(improve after Sidewinder =X)

Also .... 5600DPI Laser and 4000DPI Bluetrack ....

well Lasers versus Blue Optical

thats why both hard to be compare... if I have the money I should own both ..... =X
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Luckily they don't follow Razer... siaoz... imo not worth at all, as i mentioned earlier ur paying alot extra for the "display box".. literately... lol

Extra rm100+ its way too much sweat.gif .. rm50 more still can consider... rolleyes.gif

Imo, Sidewinder X8 its the most 'Bang for Buck' wireless/wired mouse, even some places in U.S. selling for just mere us$50bucks!.. shocking.gif

And abt the dpi, imo its one of those "why not" kinda deal, not that useable... theres no one i know uses more than 3000dpi with sensitivity max.

Especially im one of those ppl use very high-sensitivity (i set sensitivity at 20 for CS).

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one question regarding the x8 mouse. If u take out the battery and plug in the usb cable, will it work without the battery on cable?

The x8 bulk is giving me pressure between Gigabyte Ghost, and x8. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Enigmare @ May 12 2009, 05:02 PM)
Which makes me wonder why Razer stuck back to 3.5G laser in the first place... laugh.gif Is the BlueTrack technology Microsoft patented?? huh.gif
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Yup ..the blueTrack technolohy is patented by Ms......>>> http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseand...acklanding.mspx
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I just notice this while watching the bluetrack demo video.
I guess 3.5g laser wins.

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post May 13 2009, 06:22 PM

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but in tracking Blue Optical pawns 3.5G Lasers =P

Maybe it has the same level as the Razer Infrared
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