PMFJI so late. I just came across this thread and finished reading it from the start.

I did check out P1 (and others) at the PC Fair and posted some general points at:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/994382

I remember a P1 salesperson saying that the Wiggy is 10Mbps shared. Shared being the keyword. As I said in my post referred to above, I was rather disappointed with the demos that I did not really ask much more details. But the sharing would be based on how many users are using / connected to a base station. I did ask the salesperson whether I would actually get 10Mbps or less, and if less, what could be expected. The answer was 1-2Mbps.

The salesperson was in fact promoting the regular desktop modem package rather than the Wiggy. With the 1-2Mbps answer, it seemed to me that the main difference would be one was portable and the other not. But of course, the normal 1-2Mbps packages would not get you speeds more than that (the salesperson referred to this as dedicated), but the Wiggy could.

When I was there, the demos were not working properly at all. I didn't see any speed test showing 7 or 8Mbps etc. I even complained about that to them saying that how can they expect people to judge the service if they cannot demonstrate it properly. Hmmm... maybe they set up a indoor base station after that...??

To stringfellow, it appears that your immediate decision should be whether you should return the Wiggy for a refund or go into a 1 year contract. Forget the advertising part for this. If you are happy getting the speeds you are able to for the price you are paying and think it is worth it, then you may want to carry on. If not, then return it.

What you could try to do is to call P1 management and list out your complaints. Perhaps you could request the 7 days to be extended a further 1-2 weeks so that you can do more testing before deciding.

Whether you wish to take on the advertising issue with P1 can come later. The speeds are not going to change with a change in their advertisment. I mean, eg, if they now say 5Mbps instead of 10Mbps, would you still be happy paying RM149 monthly for the revised advertised speed? Or would you then think it is not worth it as RM149 was supposed to be for 10Mbps, not 5Mbps.

Actually, for on-the-go, 384kbps is sufficient enough for you to surf the net aside from streaming videos from youtube.

Basically, Wiggy is meant to be outdoor use and for lightweight user. Comparing technologies, I believe that Wimax is better than 3G or HSDPA.

I guess I need a little more than you then 1-2 Mbps would be pretty good for me, given what I'm putting up with right now. Now, if anybody can tell me if the Wiggy can be detected/used in a Linux machine, I'd be making my decision pretty quick

they are working on Mac right now, expected driver release Q3 or Q4 this year.....and linux is on the cards as well...

i do agree with your points in achieving perfect speed in (B).

for point 6 other than how many hops is how much capacity of the link are the operator providing from each basestations to the backhaul or backbone.

all these problems can be reduce by optimizing the network and upgrading but as we all know these procedures cost a lot and takes time. i guess P1 has plans but gradually of course.

for point © that is not an RRU unit lah. it is a microBTS used by P1. telco personnel are you my freind? hehe

in my opinion TS started this thread because he wanted to tell others that P1 advertised speed of 10Mbps is not what it is.
it is not because of technical issue but as an advertisement issue. if you say 10mbps so be 10mbps it is. it is as simple as that.

This post has been edited by kai_rel: Apr 13 2009, 11:38 PM

Lemme tell you something... Those promoters are just promoters. They have no idea what they are talking about.

Statement 1: I WTF'ed at the statement 10Mbps shared. So, my area now, the user must be less than 10 because I am getting speedtest of 2Mbps.

Statement 2: It's practically dependent on location.

Statement 3: You must be an early bird there. I was one of them who's helping out getting the coverage area for all the laptops. So, did you go check again later?

I agree with the part where stringfellow should forget about the advertising part and get going.

Well, a company should not have salespersons or promoters there who don't know the product or cannot explain it to customers. This is not just about P1, but any company. I was just repeating what they told me. Since I was not impressed , I didn't bother to ask further.

Yes, first I tried the demos next to TM booth. Then later on the one next to Umobile (or IzzyNet). Then later on in the other hall upstairs (carpeted hall).

I don't know if you work at P1 or just helping out. Nothing against you. In any exhibition, everything must be setup and in place before it opens. Not being prepared properly itself gives a bad impression to visitors.

Anyway, I was just giving my input mainly to stringfellow.

You're right in this case.

I'm not working for P1. Well, I always slap on other promoters face (literally) when they ask me to subscribe for broadband. I think I know better than them.


Back to Wiggy question:
Here's my real speedtest result at my area.

Which area are you at HeHeHunter ? Could you also do a test to a US and Europe server?

My area: Puchong

Speedtest result:
Click Here.

There are limits to number of images I can put in LYN.

This post has been edited by HeHeHunter: Apr 14 2009, 02:45 AM

I was talking about the hops should be able to handle the requirement Backhaul was also mentioned in point 5.

I've seen the RRU for ALU and that's the shape of it but it's 1 year ago, may be they have new models now. Using microBS to cover indoors is not suitable but it's workable. You'll then need attenuator and indoor antenna.

S1: Like what I've mentioned before, throughput calculation is not as simple as total throughput divided by user throughput to get the number of user. The above calculation is flawed because you are assuming dedicated throughput where as P1 is not selling a dedicated throughput.

Over-subscription/over-booking/contention ratio (btw, all means the same thing, just that different branch of network uses different names) should be considered. I do agree that the sales personnel is misinformed, unless he's trying to say 10Mbps/sector which is possible but a bit low when compared to other deployments worldwide. Typical WiMAX BS will have 3 or 4 (not so common) sectors.

All of us wishes to have a non "best effort" connection but that means subscribing to a dedicated line with will cost much more. Many don't realize that it's difficult to add additional capacity to a current network, not to mention costly. Michael Lai has complaint to the media before about the cost and the red tape to built towers is hindering the network rollout.

This post has been edited by bysquashy: Apr 14 2009, 06:53 AM

bottom line: is is reliable on the speed that you got?

Off topic: Here's a radar chart comparing Cellular vs WLAN vs WIMAX (http://www.dailywireless.org/2005/08/25/wimax-vrs-wifi/)

HeHehunter which part of puchong are you?

I'm in puchong too but the last time i tried the wiggy its so not stable.

This post has been edited by Nels: Apr 14 2009, 10:39 AM

This article is too old and bugged with errors. The chart is not accurate too, WiMAX will have better control on QoS compared to Cellular network.

*Replied with PM*

Thank you for the results. Well, it does seem you should have better surfing experience to both local and US sites using P1 instead of Streamyx - at least until TM rectifies their connection to US.

Stringfellow,

I THANK YOU! Thank you for spreading the truth and educating the rest of us who were almost duped by P1. I will make sure no one I know will sign up for them.

Erm, according to them, they said they rectified and restored 97% of the bandwidth. I'll test again next week.

Today I am getting 50-100% packet loss to most places in USA with Streamyx. If that's what they consider "rectified and restored", we're all in trouble!

I've posted this few months back before Wiggy was revealed and guess they got the whole idea from there:

This is how their micro indoor base transceiver unit should look like:


http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=941210