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P1 P1 Wiggy: Overpromise & Underdeliver, *P1's response in Post #135*

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kai_rel
post Apr 12 2009, 12:03 AM

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imagine u have a big ass tap in your house (30cm in diameter) but if the pipeline connecting your house to the water company is only half inch indiameter, do you expect water to be gushing through your big ass 30cm dia. tap? it will only trickle.

yes the wimax protocol and specification indeed can go up to speeds of 30Mbps. but it is only from the base transmission station (BTS) to the user.
if the link or pipeline from the BTS to its hubsite or mothership is small do not ever imagine for it to hit speeds of 30Mbps.

as for mr stringfellow case, i bet the link from the indoor BTS to P1 hub is super duper large to get 8Mbps real time.
bugs P1 to increase their link capacity and then only you can see 30Mbps my frens.

but i still have to congrutulate P1 for such a fast roll out. do u know technical works for BTS only started in late 2007 and they launched in the middle of 2008? since then i already know that their best speed was going to be in the range of 1Mbps to 3Mbps.

i'm not from p1, but i'm just a lowly contractor doing all the low end job way back in 2007 for them.

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kai_rel
post Apr 12 2009, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 12 2009, 09:45 AM)
And they are showing you the 10Mbps speed under a controlled environment.

As I mentioned, Maxis and Celcom claim their 3.6Mbps but they never show you that, why?

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it is misleading advertisment unless P1 put a huge banner on top of their test PC and say "hey look at our controlled speed, 8Mps yo!" "real world up to 2Mbps yo!"
the same goes for other BB operator with their "best effort" claim.

a normal user/customer/layman does not care about controlled environment/laboratory environment test. if P1 shows that their services can go up to 8Mbps, as a user i would expect that i can get up 8Mbps at my home or anywhere i choose to use their services with coverage that is.

does a layman cares about the technical mumbo jumbo of wireless transmission? we expect that we get what paid from services advertised. if it is 8Mbps, better 8Mbps it is.

it alls boils down to whether the BB operator are willing or not to upgrade the capacity. under controlled environment i too can get celcom & maxis HSDPA up to 6++Mbps.

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kai_rel
post Apr 12 2009, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ Apr 12 2009, 06:19 PM)
You do have a point about being misled to discover the speeds you were expecting in the end, wasn't true. And from what I've been reading, the statements which back this up were:

1. Base Station in the Hall itself.

2. Probability of promoters feeding/enticing/promoting inaccurate information.

Besides the two, I read the rest as a gist of comparing who's head is bigger in technology know-how. Anyway, I'd not blame the banner in the hall because it printed 10mbps but didn't have a statement saying you'll get 10mbps.

As for the brochure, I didn't take one so I can't say if there was a claim made inside it too. I'm adding a reply here because I'd formally take the promotional material (banner, bunting) out of this argument unless it's been stated the registrant will be promised a 10mbps target.

Hence, keep this argument to the real facts and not start detouring into an area which would taint the statements you have already. smile.gif

Just so you know, I'll forward this whole topic to a friend I know in the marketing department at P1. I'll want to find out their response to this as well. At the same time, try to see if there could be a request of a formal apology.
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i do concur with your statement to keep this argument simple. keep out all the technical mumbo jumbo. just the basic facts.

P1 advertise 10Mbps speed in PC fair and shows 8Mbps in speedtest demo on their PC. (this was a fact given by TS)
a normal layman will only see 10Mbps and expects that he/she gets 10Mbps or near it once they subscribe to the service.

so is this a marketing gimmick by P1 showing their service strength to the people in order to reap in more customer?
guess we will know from your friend in P1 on monday.

QUOTE(antonio @ Apr 12 2009, 06:33 PM)
Sorry folks, but we are here to make millions of RMs and not doing charity by just upgrading our hardware so everyone can have XXMbps as advertise or just to satisfy our customers.
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this line tickles me. hahahhaa

it is very simple actually, P1 and other BB operator are just making the most of money they can from what millions they have invest.
as an example 1Mbps streamyx still price at $99 since inception till now. tak ada diskaun pun or free speed upgrade for this user after so long.

to upgrade hardware in order to increase the capacity requires more money. maybe there are short on it i guess.

















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post Apr 12 2009, 08:45 PM

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ask P1 to install this at your home and 10Mbps is a sure thing.

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post Apr 13 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Apr 13 2009, 04:54 AM)
b) Let me explain to you how can you get your perfect speed.
1. You must have a terminal that is capable of going up to 10Mbps as the network is fixed but this is the variable. Checked as tech specs say 30Mbps (with MIMO).
2. You have to have strong signal (RSSI) so that the air interface can use higher modulation such as 64QAM. This can be done by being near to the tower. My personal experience tells me you have to be within 200m with the tower and there's line-of-sight (LOS).
3. You must also have low interference (CINR). This cannot be controlled solely by you. Interference comes from all angles, it would take me too long to explain all of them and how to solve them.
4. The base station that is serving you is not loaded. Typical WiMAX base station can support 45Mbps (even Clearwire, US is giving this figure). This 45Mbps should not be confused with "are you saying that only if 4 person is using the base station then only I can get 10Mbps?". There are calculations to determine how many actual subs can enjoy 10Mbps depending on over-subscription/over-booking/contention ratio. Complex calculation aside, I would say about with 100 subscriber (active+idle) using it the same time, 10Mbps is achievable.
5. The backhaul needs to have sufficient capacity. P1 have to make sure that they have sufficient backhaul to satisfy the data hungry WiMAX access.
6. 10Mbps from where is a big issue. There can be more than 15 hops before you reach your source. Any hops that cannot satisfy your 10Mbps requirement will be a bottleneck. This is not P1's fault.

If your environment can satisfy 1 to 6, then you can enjoy your 10Mbps.

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That's an outdoor base station RRU unit, not suitable to install it indoors.
Refer to point B above, many factors affect the DL speed.
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i do agree with your points in achieving perfect speed in (B).

for point 6 other than how many hops is how much capacity of the link are the operator providing from each basestations to the backhaul or backbone.

all these problems can be reduce by optimizing the network and upgrading but as we all know these procedures cost a lot and takes time. i guess P1 has plans but gradually of course.

for point © that is not an RRU unit lah. it is a microBTS used by P1. telco personnel are you my freind? hehe icon_rolleyes.gif

in my opinion TS started this thread because he wanted to tell others that P1 advertised speed of 10Mbps is not what it is.
it is not because of technical issue but as an advertisement issue. if you say 10mbps so be 10mbps it is. it is as simple as that.

This post has been edited by kai_rel: Apr 13 2009, 11:38 PM

 

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