the thing is, no 1 will know when is their worst time and when they are in good time they never realize. lol

Yes, indeed. they can abort it , since its their own flesh and blood. Outsiders have no rights to judge them. They're young and naive. The baby is a burden, hence to reclaim their happiness and continue the preferred lifestyle. Everybody happy.

But deep down inside, any decent humans (strangers and relative alike) would really PRAY and HOPE there are no more of these cases. And if such cases happen, the "perpetrators" must not be encouraged on to do the abortion (as if its the right decision always ).

And of course, let the remorse sets in after they turn 40, perhaps? Before that, life is an oyster to these people.

Seriously, the male is doing his spouse a BIG BIG damage to her body and mind. I hope he can cope with her depression/remorse for "killing" her child prematurely when they gets older and more mature. Who cares about his lifestyle and financial condition. maybe TS should get a course on "handling" her wife emotions and console her always if the topic regarding their "unborn baby" crops up once in a while in the near future.

with the child,
u will hafta spend less money for mamak, clubbing, cc, shopping, travel, makan

who will want that at age 25?
good decision

but one thing for sure here in scotland...the d gov subsidized mother n child expenses up to d child is 18 years of age...if i'm not wrong...as result, confirm bread n butter for 18 years...I guess durex business must b plummeting like mad here...

for those who supported TS's decision to abort, your are most concern about his financial stability when a child is born into the world.

And no, I'm not saying that everyone should marry and have a baby young since you are going to have one anyway. What I'm trying to is, TS's already has ONE in his fiancee's tummy, why kill it?

Life's always has its ups and downs and challenges. You can't just run away into hidings or take the easy way out when you face the down times.

I have some friends and people from church too who have pre marriage pregnancies. They are financially worse than you. Younger than you. Damn they even have siblings who are 14-15 yrs old who are now can be called uncles. But they are happy now, coping well. All because they have support from family, relatives and friends. The mother helps out in the situation, looks after the baby while you go to work.

1-abortion should only be done if the life of the mothers threatened if not done, not due to financial worries.

2-i became father when i was in final year of my degree.

I will lump both your quotes together, since you two are basically saying the same things and I have the same things to say to you too.

Personally, abortion is not a choice I would normally advocate. The difference between you and me is that I know how to be objective in giving advice, and I know how to give advice based on the person's character. The problem with you people is that you can't see pass your own values, and try to push your believes upon others. All you end up doing is guilt tripping them into an action. That is not advice, that is coercion.

What's the point of telling someone to keep the baby when they aren't ready? Why do you want to force them into it? One major reason most couples who pull through with a baby succeed, is because they believe they can. Its something they already decided to do. If the couple wavers in this decision, that will affect the quality of commitment to the decision in the future. How can you advocate such a choice?

Giving advice, is giving guidance, you have to be objective and fair with the facts. This means, you don't emotionally load your arguments, you let the facts speak for itself. Then let the couple themselves decide what is best for them, and just hope you could give them proper guidance. It is THEIR CHOICE, and THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to live with the consequence of their actions. Whichever path they choose, it comes at a price, so don't judge them just because they didn't follow your advice, be supportive either way, even if you don't agree.
I don't see how you cna compare gadgets to a baby Can you re-sell your baby for 60% of its value when you don't want it adi?

Seriously, some people just can't take the hard work necessary, and if they don't have the commitment for it, why push them for it? Would you tell a lazy dumbass to enroll in MIT? Of course not, be realistic and find what would be most efficient. If a couple don't want to take care of a baby, there's simply no reason to force them to do it. Forcing them would just lead to an unhappy life for everyone involved.

Are you serious? Christians having pre-marital sex?

TS said that it's mostly about the money that make him take this decision, i don't know but it doesn't feel right, i tried to put myself in his position, and it would be difficult for me, not for choosing between the choices, but for maintaining the choice that i makes, but i shall not wine or get emphatic for it, cause that's how i repent my mistake, not running away from it, let say i choose to abort i don't really know what i should do to repent my mistake, support her of course, but the scars will remain forever, what about you ? what would you do if you choose to abort ? would you have sex with her again until she is healed ?

Are you serious? Christians having pre-marital sex?

Exactly, the choice is hard because either way you have to live with the choice. The TS isn't running away, he can see that both choices come with its own set of consequences and responsibility. Personally, I would rather choose to keep the child, but if abortion is the choice I chose in the end, I have to stick with it. Sex or not, depends on the couple, if she doesn't feel like it then there's nothing you can do. Whether abortion was an issue or not, doesn't change that fact. I don't see why you have to make sex an issue here. They will definitely be a lot more careful from now on before having some happy time together on the bed

weird, if these things doesn't happen so they deserve the right for not being too careful ? there's actually a message here, no PMS , either we learned it or start to live with it why ? so that we don't live a regretful life =)