wah own property....... cant man.. hav to buy shop lot meh should have other way ?

25k ? so u have a land and build one storey high building... and use sec hand equipment n hire worker ?? oni 25k ? means can start do ed ? or oni empty house

40-50k means not included the 2 storey shop ? oni renovate n equipment ? wah exp man... where should find shop ...

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Added on April 24, 2009, 4:21 amthis biz can let malaysia earn extra income by exporting the bird nest....... i dun understand y they keep wan disturb.... tats y our country nvr really grow fast ... diff thinking

This post has been edited by Jackygwh: Apr 24 2009, 04:21 AM

not related to any of the recent previous posts..... does anyone know exactly just what type of insects these aerodramus/coloccia prey on? i just know roughly that they feed on insects less than 2cm in length (besides fruit flies) but what type/species... in the dark. also can't find any research about it. maybe its a tad too difficult to do? (just want to know if they actually do prey on agricultural pests)

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Apr 24 2009, 08:26 AM

black flying ants, 80% of their diet.

Swiftlet eat small flying insects,long time didn't log in to this forum.

Hello Kent, long time no hear from u. Maybe u donno me, but I know u.

Anyway, how is ur BH? Hope it is in the good shape.

Yup quite long time didn't log in to this forum,busy with some other thing.BH is ok.So do you own a BH also?what i know is you build BH for ppl.

Dear all, i have friend & relative from mainland China asking to send them some sample of clean birdnest. But as i know no single nest allow to parcel out from Malaysia border rules & regulation. How can the birdnest reach them? Your advice is strongly appreciated, thank you.

From what my past observation, they just love winged adult termites...........each time you see winged adult termites flying out, hundreds of swiftlets just go crazy..........maybe, we shall try termite for food, and possible that's health food for us, too!

Other winged insects, too like flying ants, mosquitoes...................and they basically eat any small insects and I have seen them zooming over rubbish dump for houseflies during the very dry season when flying insects like mosquitoes are scarce.

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Added on April 26, 2009, 7:02 pmJust say that it is more safer to go by KLIA than by Terminal 3 as the KLIA passengers also consist of VVIPs and the super rich which that SOAB department normal avoid creating trouble while T3 are all low fares paying passengers.......when do you find our VIPs or the influential people using the T3 except maybe, the CEO of AirAsia because his FOC passes has been terminated by MAS.


Anyway, that just a suggestion.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 26 2009, 07:02 PM

Thanks West Wing, how about send it thru courier? Like Fedex, UPS & etc. Will it work?

thanks for the info guys. was planning to clear a plot of land nearby BH, rather than burn it down (pollution), was thinking of just 'longgok' at on spot and let whatever insects breed (of course from a safe distance from BH plus BH treatment for white ants).

also considering making a sustainable scale ayam kampung farm. still planning and going here and there visiting organized farms. have to study first before even considering. but what i am worried is the flies... swiftlets eats flies. chicken shit = flies. chicken = poultry = possible infections. I am planning to do proper vaccinations (water & injection) plus usage of EM on the ayam kampung. should be good to do integrated farming (small scale) while waiting for the birds to nest. if anyone already has an ayam kampung farm, please give me advice. thanks.

still the same, courier services still go thru customs and stuff... and they are bounded by the same rules (controlled item by customs & perhilitan). but a diplomatic pouch might be possible... if you have some guys in the Malaysian Consulate in China OR a friend in China's Embassy here in Malaysia. Normally, diplomatic pouches aren't inspected. but thats just an idea...

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Apr 27 2009, 08:39 AM

Ayam & swiftlets should not be mixed together. Ayam or Itik can get bird flu, then chances spreading to swiftlets higher from human contact.

Just my dua sen opinion.

Hello to all sifu

I would like to direct my query to Sifu West Wing .

I had seen a number of designs of ventilation holes and been told the reason for ventilation holes was for heat ventilation.

One of the famous blogger in his blog suggested to close all these holes but left one or two open. Can you please share your experience here and please explain the reason.




Thank you

Let discuss on the topic, well as far as I know ( after this, the Perhilitan will know)

1. Custom and Perhilitan don't mixed unless they take the trouble to send guy to the custom department.
2. There is no custom duty on export on Birdnest.
3. I have been to HK and I saw Birdnests sent to a shop there and they were just pouring out the nests. The boss there told us that the shipment was from Malaysia and that I can send him the nests thru ****** courier company and it was safe then and most of his Malaysian sellers did.....


The above are just for general knowledge and discussion and what's yeaterday may not be the same as Today for Tomorrow, we cannot see....so, you better think first before doing anything.......Just to be safe, did what my friend did........I cannot post it here for if I did, the method cannot be use anymore.

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Added on April 27, 2009, 8:37 pmDear Friend, me no SIFU but a true friend for all swiftlets sanctuaries providers and I am glad that you have faith in me...........then I will just do what I always did. I will just tell you what I think and let you decide if I am right or wrong.

1. V-holes. All depend on where your BH is situated and if your area is very windly and cool, then never use any V-holes but do build V-holes for future usage when you have thousands birds. If you have many V-holes, close them up and maybe, keep few to prevent conjestion of air.
2. Why????? because if estate land, you have too much wind esp. at night and the wind will cause the birds to be unstable and they will not build nest unless they feel right. Another thing, the inside will be too cold for the birds and remember your ABC of swiftlet, they like warm and if not, their chicks cannot survive in cold so are their eggs going bad.....what's mother swiftlets will make home in BH unsuitable for their offsprings. instinctively, they will fly away the next morning hunting for new home.

3. Coming to why we build BH to keep heat out but they also serve to keep heat in. Warm and a little wetness is always the best. And for that, we come the the entrance and why it is built the way it should. I believe that I have explain more than required.....so I rest.

Any disagreement or comments on my few sen knowledge, please kindly post....I like to learn, too.

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Added on April 27, 2009, 8:39 pmDear Friend, me no SIFU but a true friend for all swiftlets sanctuaries providers and I am glad that you have faith in me...........then I will just do what I always did. I will just tell you what I think and let you decide if I am right or wrong.

1. V-holes. All depend on where your BH is situated and if your area is very windly and cool, then never use any V-holes but do build V-holes for future usage when you have thousands birds. If you have many V-holes, close them up and maybe, keep few to prevent conjestion of air.
2. Why????? because if estate land, you have too much wind esp. at night and the wind will cause the birds to be unstable and they will not build nest unless they feel right. Another thing, the inside will be too cold for the birds and remember your ABC of swiftlet, they like warm and if not, their chicks cannot survive in cold so are their eggs going bad.....what's mother swiftlets will make home in BH unsuitable for their offsprings. instinctively, they will fly away the next morning hunting for new home.

3. Coming to why we build BH to keep heat out but they also serve to keep heat in. Warm and a little wetness is always the best. And for that, we come the the entrance and why it is built the way it should. I believe that I have explain more than required.....so I rest.

Any disagreement or comments on my few sen knowledge, please kindly post....I like to learn, too.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 27 2009, 08:39 PM

Thank You West Wing

well explained and especially in intermidiate shop Lot 1 or 2 VH left open is more then enough . Just imagine the volume of air goes through the LMB.

Thank you West Wing. You impressed all of us.

I have just converted a shoplot to a BH. The BH temperature is range from 27.5 to 28.0 all day. Humiditiy is 80%, with all the ventilation holes left open. The BH situated in the town, not windy. I am wondering if I need to let's say close 50% (or 80%) of the VH? I do not on any humidifier.

Glad to see Mr Ben Chai here.

Another query to seek West Wing help. How to keep Aroma last longer in the BH? Is it advisable to keep aroma in bucket and place at the corners?

And also, learn from other ranchers that till Jun is the mating season and therefore there is low increment of bird population for new BH. correct?

Thank you.

Hey guys, I'm in the midst of researching on swiftlets and checking on its potential for the upcoming years ahead. There are a few questions that I would like to ask over here ..

1. OK, some guy were saying that the establishment of BH is all about timing.
Since this is the issue, then why are all the successful ones belonging to shoplots instead of those in rural areas?
2. I'm planning to buy a piece of land and build a wooden house out of it for BH. Could you please comment on
why would this be a bad idea?
3. My initial thoughts was to get a loan from Agro Bank to finance partly (installment) on the land and the building of BH.
I can see that not many people here actually took a loan to do this business. Were there any reasons why no one is
getting a loan from Agro Bank so far ?
4. Wooden based house vs Bricks house .. What are the Pros and Cons?
5. I haven't finish researching and am only in the starting phase. But where do you guys go / approach to sell off your
BN ? .. I mean, you're going through a 3rd party to sell it off ? How can I approach these 3rd party guys ..
I can see some people are trying to do it directly with China counterparts instead of a middle men.
6. Was it hard to get a loan from Agro Bank without Bumi status ?

Please help up with the queries I have above .. It seems to be quite some business and I would like to research more on it beforehand. Thanks.

i think u probaly need Ben for aroma advise because ben is doing his own aroma.i got a 2 bottle of plank aroma totaly FOC from him.the smell,even u smell u wanna smell again not the birds

As I believe in sharing all infos and for that the following has been PM to me, hope other seasoned ranchers may want to asist our friends.

Hmm ask u some opinion, beside the temperature, huminity, ext & int sound, aroma, roving area, entry hole, LAL, Predator; wat do u think other factors will encourage the bird to come and stay. As i just started my bh, i would see what major things if i miss out. Thanks in advance west wing.....................

I shall provide my share of views on the matter.
1. To build a home, one must have safety and comfort like wind disturbances as I have provided at forum.
2.Remember that too much of anything is bad same like us human, taking too much of Vits or health are bad. I always like to think from the point of the birds to get where and what I want so that whatever I do, I believe that the birds will like them but sometime, I maybe wrong but most of the time I am right.
3. Time are important and alot of newbizs are expecting too much or too fast and please never compare with other faster or better BHs and by doing so, it will weaken the very fundamental and wealth that you already have. Be contented and be patient. When you need to compare, do also compare with the unsuccessful ones and you will find that you are OK.
4. I have a friend who are always uncontented with what he has and he end up only 50 nests after two years and he already has the 50 nest from the first 6 months. Why.....he wasn't happy with the performances of his BH when compare to mine having 200 nests........and he keep on doing renovation and renovation and that hurt his BH growth.
5. After 2 years, mine having over 800nests and his still 50 nests and his BH is next to mine. Now, he has given up hope and he did nothing, now, his BH show improvement and nest are increasing without any modification to his BH.
6. Also, Luck play very important part as we do not really know why a sudden jump in the increment of nests and we can only assume that to be the truth.
Another case history, my nearby very successful BH did modifications on his BH and they took over 4 months to complete and during this period, my BH population increased 100% so that why I tell you never do anything when the good are coming, let it ride. Do the same in Genting and you will make alot of monies.
After saying these, I always emphasized that never do any modification when your BH show inprovement and never compare with your fellow BHs.

Oyes! forgotten about your VHs in your BH in town........keep them open if it is not windy and if you are not using humidifiers, you need to constantly wet the floor as the wetness of the air in the building interior help to keep in the right condition for swiftlets to breed.

Above all are my personal suggestions and any comments are surely welcome.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 28 2009, 01:01 PM

1. Because shoplot BH are pioneer.
2. Buy a land is good idea but wooden BH is a bad idea.
3. Because the average investment failure rate is more than 50%. If you dare to fail, why not ?
4. Wooden house is difficult to control the micro habitat.
5. The middle men buys your BN.
6. I bet.

Thanks West WIng.............