In addition to chionnguo response to things to look for?
You need to learn persistence and test your perseverance.

Persistence can be learned by asking Qs here repeatedly till someone responds.
Perseverance can be tested by going back to V1 of this thread and reading from the 1st post by Seeseng.
All the basics were discussed on V1 with some of them archived n c/f on the 1st few postings of V2.
(you are now on V2)

Hahaha.....strongly agreed with 2 hands up.....stock clearance sale b4 1GP implementation....

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 09:02 PM

All,
My posting on Najib's site is now moderator approved and online.
Pls go do yr bit.
http://www.1malaysia.com.my/index.php?opti...ang=en#comments

btw, there's a Cabinet meeting today.
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...77&sec=business

This post has been edited by Cergau: Feb 24 2010, 09:55 AM

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i like this word ,good description.........

Thanks for the infos.

By the way, as I was told that the export of 1 Kg of EBN does not require any tax and any exceeding that amount will need to pay Rm100 irrespective of the amount.

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 09:03 PM

Unc WW,
Me thinks the implementation is erratic.
So, for the article I need to stick with the official version.

Well, what I heard is that they have changed it to what I have posted....recently and maybe those who wish to take out EBN can check out with the Perhilitan Office on the matter.


A word of advice on newbiz....never use plywood esp. new ones as the glue irritate the birds; wood planks used must be of with no smell like meranti (red) and that they must not be treated.......................my personal experience with the subject in BH to share as these were discussed.

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 09:03 PM

As Chank posted was right cos if each of those owners and friends each contribute Rm50 to the fund, we shall have millions of ringgit to champion our rights and dreams.

I can be the first one to pay up but then where are the transparency and who shall be place incharge of the fund and to lead the crusade. So many questions to discuss and solve.....................oh again, my personal opinion only,

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 09:03 PM

Say, was thinking maybe we can start a Swiftlet Santuary Provider association @ V2. Collect some donation and mount a swiflet campain.?

Count me in for an SSP association. Get reps from each state, make it a national level association.

Yes, please forward DL's message. Will meet someone later today to discuss the issue. Already posted something on 1Malaysia's site, waiting for moderation.

count me in!

你们的一举一动的付出和想法，都让我受佩服。
虽然我只是个年轻小子，很多前辈会的，我都不会，无能为力，尤其是关于swiftlet farming politics的东西,但我还是会继续给与你们祝福。。希望我能在这forunm学到前辈所付出的贡献。。。
你们就如飞虎队的敢死队，让人佩服你们的真心付出。
我为你们


只有真心为民为国家付出让人感动的人最让人

This post has been edited by yuyanzhe: Feb 24 2010, 05:04 PM

(edited copy for publication)
It's written as a 3rd person (the reporter).
It represent your view. pls do comment.
In case I ever get sued for false representation as I do not now own a BH.
May I request some of you give me an OK on the forum to go ahead to forward to the papers.
thks


1GP (GarisPanduan Perusahaan Sarang Burung Layang Layang)
The promised panacea for the ills of the industry.

Highlight
60,000 farms currently earning RM1.5bil of foreign exchange; 0.5 million citizen dependents awaits the sight of these promised guidelines.
Heart wrenching and disruptive raids on the farms followed by assurances of formal guidelines and a development allocation in the 2010 budget
raised hopes that this fledging cottage industry will at last receive formal support and facilitated to it's fullest potential.

It was not to be so and disappointment prevails with impending Cabinet discussion towards endorsement.
Snippets of the draft guidelines were obtained and operators charged that

1)The new and additional conditions if applied retroactively, 80% of the current farms will by default fail compliance and threatened with closure.

2)Some conditions are presumptious prescriptions for variables that are determinants of the success of a birdhouse.
eg restrictions on methods employed to achieve optimum temperature and relative humidity which industry experts would hesitate to venture.

3)Few were frivolous, non-beneficial nor industry specific, resulting in additional and unnecessary bureacracy and inflation of operating costs.

4)1GP objectives are not aligned nor remotely support the 2010 budget objectives nor subsequent published financial objectives.

5)Mostly the 1GP guidelines is not 'developmental' in nature ,is self serving and bereft of intent to
a)resolve common problems or issues faced by the industry, be it technical, operational, environmental, material, health etc..
b)improve through research public perception, specie specific knowlege, farm environmentals, market access and fair pricing etc..

The Law
Disruptive enforcement,licensing bureaucracy and disparate requirements of local councils (PBT) have been cited as the prime impediments to further growth.
These came to a head when mass raids were conducted in several towns in Sarawak, resulting in eggs going bad and deaths of swiftlet fledglings.
Operators then claimed that though hundreds of applications for licenses were filed, only two were approved.

Aerodramus Fuciphagus, the primary swiftlet specie that produces the Edible Bird Nest in this industry, is not listed as an endangered specie in any of the producing countries.
This is in tandem with CITES (an international agreement between governments to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival, of which Malysia is a signatory). A CITES report has attributed the recovery of this specie to the current commercialisation of its nest. Nevertheless it remains protected under the Wild Life Protection Act 1972 (Pen M'sia) and respectively separate regulations for Sarawak and Sabah. Operators are now required to apply for annual licences for
a)Housing the birds;
b)Harvesting the nests;
c)Export (good for once) which are granted on a piecemeal basis with a tax of RM100 per kilogram of birdnest.
Birdnests (which remain a favourite tourist purchase) are reported to continue to be confiscated at departure lounges of local airports due to the export licence requirement.

Public Perception
This fledgling industry is not without controversy. There have been numerous public complaints over the incessant loud chirping emanating from the farms (Some operators claim that their farms offer sanctuary to the birds and that the term "bird sanctuaries" would in fact be even more apt)

It is understood that 3 different chirps are in use: the first, with speakers facing out and up at the entrances; the second, at at intermediate area (or roving area in tradespeak); and the final, being at the building internals. It is the first chirp that seems to bring misery to the public. Local councils have now mandated that this first chirp sound be allowed to be used only between the hours of 7AM to 7PM. The Veterinary Services have also offered courses to inculcate good husbandry practices through the GAHP syllabus.

Another complaint relates to the stench of the guano. Current regulation calls for regular cleanup and proper disposal of the same. Being the ever innovative enterpreneur, new technologies (such as Effective Micro-Organism (EM) - a green composting method now catching on amongst the operators) are being adapted for use and proven effective in terms of neutralising the ammonia,the main contributor of the unpleasant smell. Post application of EM converts guano into useful fertilisers.

A majority of operators self-funded their ventures in abandoned shoplots for economic reasons and based on the belief that swiftlets preferred such habitat. Due to the high startup cost (RM400-RM750K), most operators drew from family resources and life savings. Operators estimate that the industry now economically supports close to half a million of their family dependents.

It is apparent why the current operators view the guidelines with anxiety and fear with such stakes at risk.

The Hope
It was variously reported that when these much anticipated guidelines are implemented, the nation would be propelled ahead of Indonesia and Thailand, the current leading producers of the Edible Bird Nest. Malaysia currently contributes a mere 6% to the world supply.

The government has also come to realise the industry's potential and has allocated a large sum of money in the 2010 national budget to develop it.

Budget 2010 objective
[Reference:"ADVANCING AGRICULTURE SECTOR (**)
Fourth: Develop food farming industry such as fruits, vegetables, organic farming, herbs, seaweeds and swiftlet nests with an allocation of RM149 million;"
(source: 2010 Budget speech)].

Published financial objective in press release
"growth to 100,000 birdhouses producing 500 tonnes of edible bird nest annually worth RM5billion by year 2020"
(source: Bernama)

1GP Stated Objective
2 OBJECTIF
2.1 Untuk memastikan perkembangan industri sarang burung layang-layang di negara ini terkawalserta mematuhi perundangan dan
peraturan semua agensi kerajaan yang berkaitan dengan industri ini.
2.2 Untuk memastikan aktiviti pengambilan sarang burung layang-layang tidak akan menjejaskan populasi semulajadi burung layang-layang. tersebut.:
2.3 Mengawal dan menyelaras pengambilan sarang burung layang - layang agar ianya dijalankan secara lestari. "

Common (though not exhaustive) grouses of the draft 1GP guideline are:
6.1 Status Tanah
i. Hendaklah dikategorikan sebagai bangunan perniagaan
ii. Bagi bangunan 'free standing' di atas tanah pertanian , syarat nyata tanah ditukar kepada kategori bangunan perniagaan.
Grouse:
No trading is conducted in situ.
Land conversion adds to start up cost and time for no apparent advantage nor benefit

6.2 Jarak Bangunan
i. Mempunyai jarak 150 m daripada mana - mana bangunan kediaman berdekatan.
if. Hendaklah tidak kurang dari 0.5 km. daripada kawasan perumahan dan bangunan komersial.
Grouse:
Majority of existing shoplot birdhouse will fail compliance as by design shoplots are mostly built in a terrace.

6.6 Kebenaran
i. Persetujuan daripada tuan punya premis bersampingan dengan premis yang dicadangkan hendaklah diperolehi iaitu daripada kiri,
kanan, bahagian hadapan dan belakang premis yang berkenaan.
ii.Pandangan daripada jiran sekitaran juga hendaklah diperolehi sebelum kelulusan diberi
Grouse:
Disregard for law and order and unhealthy precedent where any business is run by the grace of thy neighbours.

6.11 Keadaan Bangunan
i. 'Semua bangunan dijadikan perusahaan burung hendaklah dicat semula dengan satu warna bagi memudahkan orang ramai dan pelancong asing mengenal pasti tempat bangunan yang dijadikan industri burung.
Grouse:
Unnecessary cost, frivolous and not industry specific.

count me in . i also like to meet up for this matter. i would like to know why all these associations registered does not have proper website and helps to organized functions to the public. are they building these association among friends or group of people only who drove the same big cars?

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Added on February 24, 2010, 7:19 pmWe have a very confusing law on the swiftlet import and export fees which falls into this catergory call CITES. I also confuse.... did they make it for the purpose of earning extra money?



CONVENTION ON INTERNATIONAL TRADE IN ENDANGERED SPECIES OF WILD FAUNA AND FLORA (CITES)
As party to the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) since 1978, Malaysia is responsible to control international trade of wild flora and fauna species as listed under CITES Appendix I , II and III .
The Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment (NRE) is the CITES Scientific Authority and the CITES Management Authorities are: Department of Wildlife and National Parks (DWNP/PERHILITAN), Fisheries Department, Agriculture Department and Malaysian Timber Industry Board.
DWNP is responsible in controlling all wildlife species but does not include any marine species, fishes and domesticated species, by issuing CITES permit for the purpose of import, export or re-export.


LICENSE

The Department provides services in issuance of 3 types of documents:
i. License
License is required for all activities involving protected wildlife species listed under Schedule Two, Schedule Four and Schedule Five, Act 76. License can be obtained from the respective States DWNPs. Please refer to the List Office that issue license for address and location of each State DWNP office.
For license details, please refer to Requirement for Application and Fee and Types of Licenses.
ii. Special Permit
Special Permits are required for all activities involving totally protected wildlife species listed under Schedule One and Schedule Three, Act 76. Application must be made using Form PK 1.
iii. CITES Permit
CITES Permits are required for all activities involving import and export of wildlife listed under the CITES Convention. Application of permits can be made on-line and details can be acquired from Guidelines of Wildlife Import/Export. There are only three DWNP offices that are responsible in the issuance of CITES permits:
• DWNP Headquarters Office in Cheras, Kuala Lumpur
• DWNP Pulau Pinang Office
• DWNP Johor Office
iv. License To Export/ Import Swiftlet Bird’s Nest


This post has been edited by hackwire: Feb 24 2010, 07:22 PM

TO me, getting swiftlet to stay in my sanctuary is never a problem but having these daily bad news and not knowing what the future will be; that's killing me before the swiftlets.

After so many GPs and so many years, I still don't know what the Authorities really want. They want success in this industries but they are killing it. To me is that the authorities should allow us to brief them on the art and science of breeding swiftlets and setting up swiftlets santuaries. We are pioneers and we know what we are doing and we do not need UNI decree in Animal Husbandry or Biology to prove us right cos we have past records to prove us right. Put us as advisors to the brains(the Degree Holders) so that we can input to their bright brains to able to put Malaysia as the Top Producer of EBN and the no.1 revenue for Malaysia. Also, to allow us to prove that we are also Anak Malaysia and to fight for our country by helping to generate income for the nation. Patriotism is not only about becoming a soldier to fight a war, in peace, we fight for the nation in making sure that Malaysia is prosperous and economically strong.

Tun Tan once told his new recruit graduates," I choose you all not because I think you know alot on how to manage the buz but that with your excellence result in your degree, I know you have the brain. So, now, throw away all you learned in UNI and start learning today from me" Or so I heard or did I make it up!!!!

So, end the story from me and no offence pls.....and if you see DL, pls. convey my warmest regards to him.

Bravo,
Raymontec, Dunsun yr comments are both online.
Only 2?