I grudgingly respect the position of PM of M'sia, not necessarily the person.
Anyway my comments are still not online yet.
Walk the talk-lah! Service Levels not included in his KPI meh?

To talk "AYAM JANTAN" while we bite our nails
Notice the Comments navigation on Najib's blog?
Terbalik dah!
Last = Oldest
First = Latest
Such ingenuity... new meaning to words.
It's in Reverse-Chronological order.
A new word need to be invented to describe this...1Chrony???
I dun know French 'cept the Fxxx word, would be cool to invent a new french word to describe this,
else all the IT people will be confused and we will be time traveling back & forth while staying still.
Very Matrix-like.

Likely scenario.....
1Day 1n 1Hospital....
Maaf tuan/puan...mengikut butir yg sedia berada kat komputer yg berfungsi saat ini, umur tuan/puan skrang -ve 26 tahun.
Oleh krna itu, appointment doktor memasuk kembali otak tercicir di tangguh kat 30hb Feb 1875.

Yang Ikhlas,
Kong, Ket Leh
DIMP,BDP,ICU,PICU,BTN,TIKUS,MC,KUCING,ITU,INI,SANA,SINI
Sijil Penyertaan Melawat Sambil Belajar
Sijil Penertaan Kursus....banyak sekali (URL links provided)
Masters in Ada projeck-kah? (UNITEN,ELEVEN,TWELEVE)
Dll... (also URL links provided)

This post has been edited by Cergau: Feb 23 2010, 01:36 PM

Is this a stupid question? its really absurd to me that 1GP drafted this way. Association is not revealing the truth or even get feedback. I mean if they are millionaires , how much does a website cost to educate and update the current status and committee members?

Theres seem none of these millionaires bother to setup an association website. Right now i also dont know who and where to seek info.


This post has been edited by hackwire: Feb 23 2010, 02:18 PM

Problems, problems as the Key officers in the Pekan, Kuantan or Kemaman Association seem to know nothing about the 1GP and they even asked me to email them the draft copy........some with no initiative and disconcerted , I would say but I did told them to seek help on the matter esp the Pekan Association because the PM is the Wakil Raayat of Pekan and they can see the PM without any formal protocol. All they need is to know when he is in Pekan and they can just go to his office to see PM to brief him on the matter....and we all know that PM support the industry cos He wanted it to grow fast and big!!!!!!

So, if any Pekan reader here, seek the PM's help cos if anyone can, you can!!!!!

So who drafted the 1GP lah??? WARNING!! WARNING!!
SCAM DETECTED!!!

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 09:04 PM

Sorry late reply. Been on the road. Trying to get some feedback from a Pakatan MP, just to see if they are aware of this issue... and if they are, what is their stand. I think we need to play both parts of the divide... as long as SSP's interest are protected. MP's should have copies of items to be tabled in advanced.

I welcome anyone to verify the 1GP i posted is genuine or not. I'm beginning to pray that it isn't and that you guys prove me wrong.

Give me time to get more input about this issue. Will update regularly.

About PERHILITAN's authority... its a matter of definition. The issue is not whether its endangered or protected... the issue here is the term 'wild animal' or haiwan liar. I had a bloody lengthy talk with their bahagian perundangan about this.


Quoting Cergau;

"demonstrations"....I can picture Dunsun suddenly perk up with anticipation with a crazy look in his eyes.
Down Dunsun!, Down!!

hahahaha... if it is necessary, you can bet on it!!! participated before in such activities.


I beg Lucas 1, WW, Uncle Ben, Eng Lee or any old guy (i say this with pure affection) to lead our effort. Saying this bluntly, i am too inexperienced politically and lack the finesse of an old timer, but i can do work, korek2 maklumat, run about lobbying friends and erm... other things that might be necessary (and legally, of course).

For now i suggest;

1. We get direct info from MP's. So anyone with contacts, please ask around. Doesn't matter which side of the political divide.

2. Based on the draft 1GP, one of us compile recommendations to ensure the 1GP represents the industry better. This will not work unless a survey or poll is done... this will need elaborate networking & team effort.

3. We follow closely cabinets movement's regarding the 1GP. It takes several tabling before becoming policy (normally). Once tabled, immediately revise the recommendations/memorandum and get as many signatories possible let it be thru associations or individuals.

4. Garner support from your associations, make a stand to reject a non-productive 1GP.

5. Spam every existing forum about this issue.

6. All of us contribute posting to our PM's facebook & 1Malaysia website.... REGULARLY (everyday if possible).

7. If the 1GP tabled somehow suntut's the industry so hard... for instance some unexpected ruling that will wipe out existing BH's... i propose a peaceful demo.

Thanks all.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Feb 23 2010, 05:32 PM

Dunsun,
I am getting uncomfortable as I am beginning to see that I was presumptious to think Cabinet means Najib.
It's beginning to make sense , PBTs comes under a different Ministry at the Federal level.
It's Muhyiddin we shd be going for. Najib is away in S;wak for 2 days starting Mon.

"However, before the guideline could be adopted by the local authorities, it would be brought to the attention of the National Council on Local Government chaired by Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin, which is expected to meet March next year."
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...3920&sec=nation


Also, this is a Cabinet level meeting ie Ministers or their designate, nothing to do with ordinary MPs.
We send to MPs to keep them abreast of the facts surrounding the case incase we manage to pull enuff bantahan, it gets into the news.

Sad, WW has reverted that the assoc were all asleep and were asking for info in return.

In addition, I suggest we know start contacting news reporters.
All newspapers have their news portal now. Once it's on the portal, it's in the hardcopy news.
All these can be achieved thru use of the PC alone.

I will volunteer to draft the English version and post here.
From then on, we will need both BM & Chinese translation and forwarding to the Main Stream Newspapers & other alternatives.

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Added on February 23, 2010, 6:44 pmChan K,
Are you at liberty to share some more of the EM / O3 treatment?
I wanna to put them in my release.
I recall it was discussed, EM is some kind of Effective Microorganism commonly us in composting right?
1)Is the use widespread?
2)Is it effective in terms of getting rid of the smell?
3)Are you a user or have viewed it's use and testify to it's effectiveness?

What abt the O3 treatment, it's ozone correct?
I know there are mobile units for pest control in fruit export. How is it used? For guano treatment or nest? If guano, the same 3 Qs above.
Pls respond soonest.
Cheers

This post has been edited by Cergau: Feb 23 2010, 06:45 PM

May I know or should we first find out the person background who are going to table this 1gp to the cabinet. Have they set the meeting?

It's probable that DVS (Vet Services) being the appointed lead agency will table.
Dunsun may have more details.

hmm... am i being presumptuous that the guideline would be tabled during persidangan cabinet? i thought thats how policies were made? since its a national policy thing, involving a large number of people, investors, land owners, brokers, exporters... and VOTERS... is the government really going to table something that lacks proper representation?

i also have no idea who the hell the "Steering Committee for the National Swiftlet Industry" are. Searching.

So it would seem despite DVS being the 'peneraju'... it's the PBT that holds the real power. Just great, really great. This is getting really, really distressing. DVS is officially neutered.

Wake up call to all Associations!!!! If you have contacts among these associations, give them a ring.

PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG, PANTAI REMIS, PERAK.
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG MALAYSIA (MALAYSIA BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG MUAR, JOHOR (MUAR BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, JOHOR)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI KEDAH
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI JOHOR (JOHOR BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI KELANTAN (KELANTAN BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI PAHANG (PAHANG BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION )
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI PERAK (PERAK BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI PERLIS (PERLIS BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI SARAWAK (SARAWAK BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI TERENGGANU, MALAYSIA
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG WALET DUNGUN, TERENGGANU (PESAWA)
PERSATUAN PEMBEKAL SARANG BURUNG SARAWAK (SARAWAK BIRD'S NEST SUPPLIERS ASSOCIATION)
PERSATUAN PENGIMPORT DAN PENGEKSPORT SARANG BURUNGSARAWAK
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA RUMAH BURUNG WALET MELAYU TERENGGANU
PERSATUAN PERUSAHAAN RUMAH BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG DAN SARANG BURUNG, SABAH
PERSATUAN PEMELIHARA BURUNG WALIT DAERAH ROMPIN, PAHANG
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA BURUNG WALIT DAERAH KEMAMAN,TERENGGANU
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA SARANG BURUNG WALIT NEGERI PAHANG
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA SARANG BURUNG WALIT PULAU PINANG (ASSOCIATION OF SWIFTLET NESTS INDUSTRY, PENANG)
PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG, PANTAI REMIS, PERAK. PERAK PERDAGANGAN
PERSATUAN PEMILIK GUDANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG NEGERI SEMBILAN
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA ALAM FAUNA BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG DAERAH MANJUNG, PERAK
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA INDUSTRI SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG NEGERI KELANTAN
PERSATUAN PENGUSAHA SARANG BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG KUALA KRAI, KELANTAN
PERSATUAN PERUSAHAAN RUMAH BURUNG LAYANG-LAYANG DAN SARANG BURUNG, SABAH (SABAH SWIFTLET HOUSE AND BIRD'S NEST INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION)

Need help to dig the actual Wild Life Act for both Sabah And Sarawak.
I just need to quote the full title of both act, not the content.

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Added on February 23, 2010, 7:59 pmGreen acres, or anyone incase he;s away
Can I request u work out the avg 100,000 BH will produce insted of the monkey nos?
Also a reasonable cleaning service industry nos.
cheers

This post has been edited by Cergau: Feb 23 2010, 07:59 PM

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 2 2010, 09:05 PM

i would like to know more about starting a bh.
what is the 1st thing i should look out for? location? near forested areas?

Using EM and O3 together is basically an oxy-moronic approach. EM uses microbes to decompose so that toxic & nauseous gases would not be produced. O3 kills microbes to prevent decomposition. Human's attempt at creating sterile environment had always created more harm than good.

Between the two EM is better - Work with nature !!

This post has been edited by chiongguo: Feb 23 2010, 08:38 PM

ChanK, thks
I intend to give them the whole lot. No holds barred. Wanna shoot, shoot bullets, not rubber bullets.
But then I will post here b4, I know we will not be unanimous, so I will make the final call after comments, agter all I am the author

swiftlets

1GP (GarisPanduan Perusahaan Sarang Burung Layang Layang)
The promised panacea for the ills of the industry.
60,000 farms currently earning RM1.5bil of foreign exchange awaits the sight of this guideline.
It was variously reported that when this much anticipated guidelines is implemented, it will propel the nation ahead of Indonesia and Thailand the current

leading producers of the Edible Bird Nest. Malaysia currently contributes a mere 6% to the world supply.

Enforcement,licensing bureaucracy and disparate requirements of the local councils (PBT) has been cited as the prime impediment to further growth.
These came to a head when mass raids were conducted in Mukah Sarawak, resulting in eggs going bad and deaths of swiftlet fledlings.
Operators then claimed that though hundreds of applications for licenses were filed and was later revealed that of them 2 were approved.
The situation is reported to have calmed down somewhat with approval of more licenses.

Aerodramus Fuciphagus, the swiftlet specie that produces the Edible Bird Nest in this industry is not a protected specie in any of the producing countries.
This is in tandem with CITES (an international agreement between governments to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does

not threaten their survival, of which Malysia is a signatory). A CITES report has attributed the recovery of this specie to the current commercialisation of

it's nest. Nevertheless it remains in Schedule 4 of the Wild Life Protection Act 1972 (Pen M'sia) and xxxxxxxxxxx for Sarawak and Sabah. As such it remain

under the purview of the respective agencies. Operators are now required to apply for annual licences for 1)Housing the birds and 2)Harvesting of the nests.

3)Export permits (good for once) are granted on a picemeal basis with a tax of RM100 per kilogram of birdnest.
Birdnest (which remain a favourite tourist purchase) is reported to continue to be confiscated at departure lounges of local airports due to the export

licence requirement.

This fledging industry is not without controversy. There has been numerous public complaints over the loud chirping emanating from the farms or birdhouses as operators prefer to call them. Some too claim that they offer sanctuary to the birds and as such bird sanctuaries be more apt a name. It is understood that 3 different chirps are in use. The first with speakers facing out and up at the entrances. Second at at intermediate area (or roving area in the trade speak). The final being at the building internals. It is the first chirp that brings misery to the public. Local councils have now mandated that this first sound are allowed to be used only between the hours of 7AM to 7PM. The Veterinary Services has also offered courses to incalcate good husbandry practices through the GAHP syllabus. Another public complaint is the smell of the guano from within the birdhouses. And current regulation calls for regular cleanup and proper disposal of the same. Being the ever innovative enterpreneur new technoloy (such as Effective Organism -a green composting method is now cathcing on amongst the operators)is being adapted for use and proven effective in terms of neutralising the ammonia whcih is the main contributor to the unpleasant smell. Post application of EM produces guano ready to use as fertiliser. Another is ozone which is now only undergoing trial runs in a small number of birdhouses.

Majority of operators started self funded in mostly abandoned shophouses for economic reasons and the then believe (or trade secret) and layman observations of swiftlets preference for their chosen habitat. Due to the high starup cost (RM400-RM750K), most operators had either pooled family resources and their life savings. It is estimated by operators that the industry now economically support close to half a million of their family dependents.

The government has come to the reaslise it's potential and has allocated a large sum of money in the 2010 national budget to develop the industry .

"ADVANCING AGRICULTURE SECTOR
Fourth: Develop food farming industry such as fruits, vegetables, organic farming, herbs, seaweeds and swiftlet nests with an allocation of RM149

million;" (source: 2010 Budget speech)

It is apparent why the current operators view the the availability of the guidelines with such anxiety and emotions.
They have faced heart wrenching raids and then delighted with promises of assistance.

Prior to the completion of this article and as the date draws nearer to the Cabinet approval of the guidelines (from various press releases), some facets of the guidelines become available to the operators. These were viewed with disbelief as the overall theme tended to be more bureaucracy and further licensing and a host additional conditions that are impossible to comply with.
Impossible conditions, contradictions and incoherent statements in the draft guidelines are now what the operators are viewing from all the months of hoping.

Next I will quote some examples of the guidelines.
I will break for dinner now,
tembak away,
Please check my numbers.
thks

(1st full draft press release)
1GP (GarisPanduan Perusahaan Sarang Burung Layang Layang)
The promised panacea for the ills of the industry.
60,000 farms currently earning RM1.5bil of foreign exchange awaits the sight of this guideline.
It was variously reported that when this much anticipated guidelines is implemented, it will propel the nation ahead of Indonesia and Thailand the current leading producers of the Edible Bird Nest. Malaysia currently contributes a mere 6% to the world supply.

Disruptive enforcement,licensing bureaucracy and disparate requirements of the different local councils (PBT) has been cited as the prime impediment to further growth. These came to a head when mass raids were conducted in Mukah Sarawak, resulting in eggs going bad and deaths of swiftlet fledlings. Operators then claimed that though hundreds of applications for licenses were filed and was later revealed 2 were approved.

Aerodramus Fuciphagus, the swiftlet specie that produces the Edible Bird Nest in this industry is not a protected specie in any of the producing countries. This is in tandem with CITES (an international agreement between governments to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival, of which Malysia is a signatory). A CITES report has attributed the recovery of this specie to the current commercialisation of it's nest. Nevertheless it remains in Schedule 4 of the Wild Life Protection Act 1972 (Pen M'sia) and xxxxxxxxxxx for Sarawak and Sabah. As such it remain under the purview of the respective agencies. Operators are now required to apply for annual licences for
1)Housing the birds and
2)Harvesting of the nests.
3)Export permits (good for once) are granted on a picemeal basis with a tax of RM100 per kilogram of birdnest.
Birdnest (which remain a favourite tourist purchase) is reported to continue to be confiscated at departure lounges of local airports due to the export
licence requirement.

This fledging industry is not without controversy. There has been numerous public complaints over the loud chirping emanating from the farms or birdhouses as operators prefer to call them. Some too claim that they offer sanctuary to the birds and as such bird sanctuaries be more apt a name. It is understood that 3 different chirps are in use. The first with speakers facing out and up at the entrances. Second at at intermediate area (or roving area in trade speak). The final being at the building internals. It is the first chirp that brings misery to the public. Local councils have now mandated that this first chirp sound are allowed to be used only between the hours of 7AM to 7PM.
The Veterinary Services has also offered courses to incalcate good husbandry practices through the GAHP syllabus. Another public complaint is the smell of the guano from within the birdhouses. And current regulation calls for regular cleanup and proper disposal of the same. Being the ever innovative entepreneur new technology (such as Effective Microrganism (EM) - a green composting method, is now catching on amongst the operators)is being adapted for use and proven effective in terms of neutralising the ammonia which is the main contributor to the unpleasant smell. Post application of EM produces guano ready to use as fertiliser.

Majority of operators started self funded in mostly abandoned shophouses for economic reasons and the then believe (or trade secret) and layman observations of swiftlets preference for their chosen habitat. Due to the high starup cost (RM400-RM750K), most operators had either pooled family resources and their life savings. It is estimated by operators that the industry now economically support close to half a million of their family dependents.

The government has come to the realise it's potential and has allocated a large sum of money in the 2010 national budget to develop the industry .

"ADVANCING AGRICULTURE SECTOR (**)
Fourth: Develop food farming industry such as fruits, vegetables, organic farming, herbs, seaweeds and swiftlet nests with an allocation of RM149
million;" (source: 2010 Budget speech)

It is apparent why the current operators view the the availability of the guidelines with such anxiety and emotions.
They have faced heart wrenching raids and then delighted with promises of assistance.

Prior to the completion of this article and as the date draws nearer to the Cabinet approval of the guidelines (from various press releases), some facets of the guidelines become available to the operators. These were viewed with disbelief as the overall theme tended to be more bureaucracy and further licensing and a host additional conditions that are impossible to comply with.

Some examples pointed are as follows

6.1 Status Tanah
i. Hendaklah dikategorikan sebagai bangunan perniagaan
ii. Bagi bangunan 'free standing' di atas tanah pertanian , syarat nyata tanah ditukar kepada kategori bangunan perniagaan.
Grouse:
no trading is conducted in situ.
land conversion adds to start up cost for no apparent advantage nor benefit

6.2 Jarak Bangunan
i. Mempunyai jarak 150 m daripada mana - mana bangunan kediaman berdekatan.
if. Hendaklah tidak kurang dari 0.5 km. daripada kawasan perumahan dan bangunan komersial.
Grouse:
Majority of existing shophouse birdhouse will fail compliance as by design shophouses are mostly built in a terrace.

6.6 Kebenaran
i. Persetujuan daripada tuan punya premis bersampingan dengan premis yang dicadangkan hendaklah diperolehi iaitu daripada kiri,
kanan, bahagian hadapan dan belakang premis yang berkenaan.
ii.Pandangan daripada jiran sekitaran juga hendaklah diperolehi sebelum kelulusan diberi
Grouse:
An adication of responsibility and confusion over roles.

6.11 Keadaan Bangunan
i. 'Semua bangunan dijadikan perusahaan burung hendaklah dicat semula dengan satu warna bagi memudahkan orang ramai dan pelancong asing mengenal pasti tempat bangunan yang dijadikan industri burung.
Grouse:
Unnecessary cost and frivolous.

The stated objective of 1GP
2 OBJECTIF
2.1 Untuk memastikan perkembangan industri sarang burung layang - layang di negara ini ·terkawalserta mematuhi perundangan dan peraturan semua agensi kerajaan yang berkaitan dengan industri ini.
2.2 Untuk memastikan aktiviti pengambilan sarang burung layang - layang tidak akan menjejaskan populasi semulajadi burung layang - layang. tersebut.:
2.3 Mengawal dan menyelaras pengambilan sarang burung layang - layang agar ianya dijalankan secara lestari. "


Published objective in press releases
"growth to 100,000 birdhouses producing 500 tonnes of edible bird nest annually worth RM5billion by year 2020"
(source: Bernama)

1GP objective and the national objective are fatally misaligned resulting in the allocated money to be spent to 'develop' the industry on plans to work out common industrial problems faced either technical, health, specie specfic research, market access...etc.
Instead the allocation are reported to be given out to successful 'applicants' to build swiftlet farms. Nary a person in the industry seem to have a clue of how and when these applications were offered.

1)The main grouse stems from the fact that these are new and additional conditions and are made to apply retroactively.
2)The remaining grouses are that some conditions are presumptious prescriptions for variables that dertermines the success of a birdhouse.
eg restrictions on methods employed to achieve optimum temperature and relative humidity which industry experts would hesitate to venture.
3)Mostly the 1GP guidelines is not 'developmental' in nature.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Feb 23 2010, 11:36 PM

Thanks to the those who use EM and share it here! Anyone who wants to buy it can PM me, it comes in 20-litre drum. Wish I got the time to fill in 1-litre container.

Must have cheap sale now cos' after 1GP implementation, no more buyer.