300g of nests from each volunteered farm !!!

This is lucrative !!!......

100 farms equal to 3 tons of nests!!!

Wah !!!.....daylight robbery done by THE ALL MIGHTY !!!

SOME MORE AFTER ROB N RAPE US, I WANT TO SUE U !!!!

THIS IS JUST SO BLOODY MAKE SENSE !!!!....DAMN YOU FOR 1000 YEARS ALSO NOT ENOUGH!!!....

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 26 2009, 10:11 PM

If they are not a protected species then does the law in Sarawak prohibits the keeping of non protected species of swiftlets.

Hi Engineer Lee,

Sarawak Wildlife Ordinance states that all Swift lets and Swallows are protected species.

Datuk Lord Cranbrook refers them to as “House Swift lets “and he named them as Fuchipagus Domesticus and as the name suggest they are domesticated like Cattle and chickens. I am in the opinion that he is trying to get through to the Forestry people that that these are not wild animals and cannot survive in the wild like their cave cousins and coexist with human and living near human to seek shelter and security. I hope that some scientist will do a DNA profiling on them and settle once and for all that these are very valuable farm animals.

I was also involved in apiculture for a couple of years in Kudat Sabah and producing 800 kg per year. Do we realize that when there is a honey flow we actually rob the bee hives of their honey? Bees have to visit 1.2 ml flowers and in the case of Sabah the honey dew from Acacia trees to produce I Kg of honey. Where as we only collect abandon nest from swift lets farm.

Ben u think that we need a protest on Gov? they look like going too far now if we keep on silent.just need a person to head us now. who will it be ???? any 1 who head us i am the 2nd to follow


This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Feb 26 2009, 10:55 PM

Quote CK "Only fight battle you can win "

Keepcool simetime the price we have to pay is too high . Is it worth it. I like other readers share your opinion with us.

The bloody hairy will go sri manjung, perak tomoloto meet the JPBD committee
any perak frien here?
pls watch out what he will do in perak

just Because we cool enuf they are steping our head now who vote them to booked a seat in federal, now they play macam -macam style.we cant w8 them come to our standalone farm b4 we action.too cool later cry 1st in the end!!!

DL beware that Hairy is trying to discredit you and blame you for his failed BH which he foolishly acknowledge. I have an email from him to this effect. If he is such an expert he could have turn it around with his powerful BC and wonderful aromas. He cannot even revame his own BH yet charge money to tell othes how to revame their BH . HA! HA HA! HELLO READERS! WAKE UP!

I was once a young green wage earner with very little money I know how painful it is to be taken for a sucker. Please wake Up don’t be one. The problem is that many newbie have no excess to this site and is not aware of his modes operandi and will keep quiet because of pride. Readers please alert your friends.

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Hope all of us tell our freind abt ths forum n alert all the newbie abt the sucker H

I am very sure there are some lawyers who own Bh are reading this forum. There're 60k farms in Malaysia i am sure some owners are lawyer.

What happens to you guys Lawyer! It is an opportunity here where you could represent 60k owners where you could make big money. Imagine 30% fork out Rm300.00 each you would have Rm 5.4 million. Isn't that lucrative enough?

If I were one I would offer my service .It's better than waiting 3-5 yrs for nests. So for those lawyers who are reading this pls post your reply.

Hi guys:

Below is something I pick up here and there, from NGL 2005, GP022, & DL's report.

See whether you can accept or not?

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Kawalan Operasi Perusahaan

Untuk Bangunan Sedia Ada Yang Dibina Di Atas Tanah Jenis Kegunaan Bangunan dan Perindustrian

1 i). Bunyi dari corong pembesar suara tidak melebihi 40 desibel diukur 6 meter dari dinding bangunan. Corong pembesar suara hendaklah menghadapi langit pada sudut sekurang-kurangnya 60 darjah dari dasar lantai. Masa untuk penggunaan pembesar suara adalah dihadkan dari jam 7.00 pagi sehingga 12.00 tengahari dan jam 5.00 petang sehingga 7.30 malam. Di dalam premis rakaman kicauan dibenarkan dimainkan 24 jam.

ii) Sekiranya didapati pelanggaran klausa 1 i) , satu notis akan diberikan di bawah Akta Kerajaan Tempatan (Akta 171) kepada pemilik premis yang didapati bersalah bagi memberhentikan operasi sistem rakaman kicauan secara sementara atau sehingga pelanggaran ini diatasi dengan mengubahsuai pembesar suara dan memperendahkan kekuatan bunyi ke tahap yang boleh diterima.

2 i) Premis hendaklah sentiasa bersih

ii) Premis tidak menimbulkan masalah kacauganggu seperti bau busuk, pembiakan nyamuk, lalat dan lain-lain jenis serangga.

iii) Air tidak boleh bertakung di atas lantai atau di dalam apa-apa takungan tanpa kawalan. Hanya alat humidifier dibenarkan.

iv) Sekiranya didapati klausa 2 i), ii) dan iii) dilanggari, satu notis akan diberikan kepada pemilik premis sehingga keadaan dibaik-pulih. Bagi premis sedia ada yang memiliki tempat takungan air atau kolam air, ikan “guppies” dan “sword-tails” perlu dibela bagi mengelakkan pembiakan larva nyamuk.

3.i) Dinding luar bangunan hendaklah sentiasa bersih;

ii) fasad asal bangunan hendaklah dikekalkan;

iii) penyediaan lubang pengudaraan adalah pada tahap minima.

iv) Sekiranya didapati klausa 3 i), ii) dan iii) dilanggari, satu notis akan diberikan kepada pemilik premis bagi menasihati mereka membuat pembersihan, pengubahsuaian atau membaikpulih seberapa mungkin balik ke keadaan asal fasad bangunan dalam tempoh yang munasabah.

4.i) Najis burung perlu dikumpul dan dikeluarkan dari premis secara berjadual.

5.i) Pengubahsuaian bangunan yang melebihi ketinggian bangunan sedia ada adalah dibenarkan. Kelulusan perlu diperolehi melalui jururunding akitek, jurutera atau draftsmen yang bertauliah.

I think that the measurement should be 6 meters from the building wall outside of the BH facing toward the BH. If your External tweeters are facing upward over 70%. you maybe safe.............try it as we are using the Decibel meter for our Association. If even 60 meter facing a tweeter, you will exceed 40DBL.

I believe there is an international way on how to measure......

With our experiences in BH farming, once there are nests in a new BH, we would not do anything further except the normal maintenance and just wait for 6 months. If the growth in number of nests is steadily on the increase with even a few per month is considered good. During our quarterly or monthly routine visit for maintenance, we would just change on another external sound. Usually we keep 2 to 4 different external sounds inside the BH and we just rotate them permanently. Each time you rotate a sound, you see a lot of bird’s gone crazy visiting in and out for weeks. To these birds, it is a new sound even though it is actually an old sound played last month. These swiftlets are very inquisitive and curious at new things and sound. No matter how good or expensive a sound, it will never last. After a while, the birds get bored and life back to normal. The moment you put on a new sound, they go crazy again. We have only a few sounds which we used for the past 6 to 7 years for all our BHs.

Once the growth of nests in the BH is sustained on gradual upward trend, we hardly want to do any upgrading or try new thing. We never believe in any Black or White sound so claimed. If you want to see more birds go crazy, just rotate the sound more regularly, say, once a week. Old sound becomes new sound. You must understand that in dry season, even you put Michael Jackson also proves useless. In dry and hot season, most birds as if gone holidays, hardly you see birds around BHs playing. They need to fly far at long distance into deep jungle or forest to search for food where it is cooler with slightly more insects under the canopy. Only in rainy and cool season especially after a shower of rain, you find a lot of birds playing at BHs as there is abundance of insects flying nearby the BHs due to cooler atmosphere. So the birds spend less time for meals and thus have more time to play. But if it is during monsoon or continuous downpour round the clock, you also don’t find birds playing as the nearby insects are soaked through and hard to fly high for them to catch. So the birds have to fly far to drier ground for food. During the rainy and cool season, you can just go and dig out one old sound which you consider useless and change it near to the BH that uses the so-called Black *****, I dare bet with you all the birds playing at that BH will jump into your BH.

Once a BH has a normal growth, that means the BH’s conditions are alright and suitable for the birds, then you must have the patience and let nature does the job. Don’t try to be too smart with no patience but with greed, wanting to fasten the numbers and try all nonsense by doing all sort of experiments or alterations. By doing these, you are confusing all the young birds thinking that they are going into wrong house, so how could they stay put? You are in actual fact, driving your young birds away. So, isn’t it a retarded BH with extreme slow growth? Haven’t you read in some of his earlier posts which he mentioned he would experiment those new things or methods he learned or heard on his successful BH for the sake of helping the newbies? No wonder the neighbouring BH owners are laughing all the way to the bank. Never see such a fool before. A confirmed with good potential BH turned a retarded BH. Yet he dared to claim to be ‘expert’. But still simply there are suckers get hooked.

To us, the most important factors we concern are the correct design and the ideal internal conditions in a BH. You may not believe that all our new BHs are so cleaned that you can roll on the floors. We never use any aroma or guano. (I apologise to all friends here who are promoting aroma. It is strictly no intention of sabotaging from us. It is purely our own method). We also don’t bother about the humidity level in a new and empty BH in the initial state. Humidity level only comes into play when there are enough of nests to be harvested. We only use the portable humidifier to enhance the quality of the nests. Also, we never believe in high tech which demands also high maintenance and repairs. The average monthly bills for our BHs with some with thousands nests are 40 to 60 for TNB, and 10 for water. We know of a couple of our neighbours who engaged some top names in the market using very expensive high tech are paying 6 to 8 times our maintenance and yet the number of birds is less than 20% that of ours operated same time. We could be luckier than our neighbours or the birds like something in our BHs better which we also don’t know what.

Regarding the bloggers, I do believe that there are good and sincere ones. The few you mentioned seemed not bad as so far we don’t hear complaints. Reading from what they wrote, they seem sincere and they know what they are writing. Some of them could be good and doing it as more of a hobby and willing to share. Not so much for money. But, how good they really are, I haven’t engaged them or even known them personally yet, so I do not know. But, one thing for sure, they are definitely a lot better than the idiot with so many of his cheatings exposed by his victims. Most important is they don’t cheat. Why don’t you engage them and let me know. I am too rusty to do another new one by myself. I may consider engaging someone reasonably good. I don’t need the super idiot.

lucas, thanks ur advice and opinion ,i respect u coz u can share with us (newbie)..actually i also very worry with the newbie when cheat by blogger.thanks

wah.....this forum now becomes 7-11 liao..24hrs non stop loh....


no need to sleep meh !!!......must sleep lah.....else see nests in front of u also not liao....haha...

also...hehe....pie sei...wrong calculation...30kg lah....

The good thing about Malaysia, which brother K always remember me is, everything is for sale.

You can pay to make even the ghosts work for you.

Politicians.......All Monkey Face !!! (only left few that really cares about us)....when they see money, even you squeeze their balls also they will smile at you!!!.....and tell you `Syiok...Syiok...Syiok ahh!!!' .

But how much we can afford??....do we really want to do just that??.....

How much and how long??.....

long enough to wait for Tsunami ??


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This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 27 2009, 09:11 AM

Hi West Wing,

Have you try using Decibel meter before? What is the dB reading in a room with no sound?

Thanks

Terima kasih banyak sifu.

Harap pengalaman yang berharga ini dapat memanfaatkan semua.

Newbies should consider themselves lucky with the tips given.
The consultant usually won't tell you so much about this. They will let you know provided you ask or know how to ask. U cannot also find this info in any of so-called "expert" 's books.

As for the sound meter, we have use it before and we have proven that we can passed the requirement if it is measure from the outside of the BH provided the tweeters are all aim at the sky instead of your neighbours' BHs as most of the new BHs are doing with the instruction from their consultants.

Another thing that I may add is that most consultants require you to change sound often and for that I strongly disagree. If the good is going, keep riding and only change when the it is no longer attracting any birds into your BH for the external tweeter.....

I have so much problem telling all new BH owners to do the following which have been advised by the consultants.

1. Sound need not be too loud as that will worsen the situation if your BH is already drawing birds in.......
2. Changing of sound when the good is riding will create distraction and the shit will tell.
3. Internal sound is always necessary if the birds feel secure and only be used when the bird feel unsecured.
4. Using Bird sound in the middle of the night only disturbed the neighbours and nothing good will come as if there is already birds in the BH, their sound are different during the day and night and so what for having the day sound in the night or the night sound during the day. Better let the birds make their own music. If the the BH has no birds, then what are the noght sound for?

Having a good sound that is like able by the birds is not easy but changing the good sound will destroyed the continuity of the increment of nest building although the old birds will stay to build nests no matter what you do....you may even on your light and play Micheal Jackson songs and they still make nests ........maybe slower..

Again, above are my humble suggestions on what to do and expect. Others who think otherwise, please kindly feel free to comment.

Hi guys,

Please check out the link below to get FREE sounds...

http://swiftlethacks.blogspot.com/

http://swiftletrancher.blogspot.com/

My suggestion:

"Perusahaan sarang burung walit"

or

"Pengurusan sarang burung walit"

or

"Urusniaga sarang burung walit"

How about PENUMPANGAN BURUNG WALET? (SWIFTLET HOTEL OR LODGING)

Ck is right, we're in the same boat. So i once again apologise to you for causing you so much distress.

But that does not means that i agree to your rhetoric. Banning new BH in town will not solved our problems. They did not exist in the first place , so how are they going to caused any trouble? All the problems we are facing now are caused by existing BHs, Ecopark promoter and some 'officials'. My argument is that it is not the number of BHs in town but the number of problematic BHs in town that are the causes of our trouble. Shut down those that flout the rules. It is better than preventing new BHs in town. Besides it will be very selfish to prevent others from having a piece of the cake just because we want to safeguard the piece we have in hand or more precisely have it all to ourself.

There is no guarantee that if new investors stay out of prohibited area they will be safe. We don't knows what they might come out with in future. They can change the rules according to their whims and fancy wherever and whenever they want.