PITY ALL THE NEWBIE
PAY MONEY TO LEARN BULLSHIT THINGS
use other people farm be a experiment

This post has been edited by tsm198092: Feb 28 2009, 11:55 PM

Can we discuss about the annual fee for the Premise license for the BH? What is considered fair and justified to help those in town and those in Kampong and rural? Pleased bear in mind that the Kedah Excos are talking of promoting BH industry to help the rural and kampong folks as well. Also bear in mind that about 70% of BH owners are still struggling to attract the swiftlets into the empty BHs. It may take them a few years of waitng or GESTATION period before they can see some income.

Let me tell you a true event related to how the license fee for the MAJLIS DAERAH KERIAN was negotiated.

MAJLIS DAERAH KERIAN 1st proposed RM500 in early 2006. During a council meeting chaired by the Setiausaha, MDK, DL asked why so high, RM 500 untuk lesen premis ? The Setiausaha said because bird’s nest is very expensive commodity. DL said gold is very much higher, then how much is the lesen premis for Goldsmith shop? SU couldn’t reply. Then DL said, now everyone here agreed that ini bukan Perusahaan, right ? All replied yes. DL proceeded that burung ni bukan di pelihara, dan juga tidak ada apa-apa urusniaga dalam, hanya burung tumpang macam sewa rumah dari kami, betul? They replied, ya, betul. DL asked again, jadi, nak tanya, berapa yuran lesen premis untuk sebuah RUMAH PENUMPANG untuk manusia? One of the pegawai answered, RM80 satu tahun. DL then asked again, jadi, kenapa yuran untuk burung lebih mahal pada manusia???? No one answered and meeting adjourned.


Next day, DL received call from one councillor of MDK congratulating DL that in the council meeting chaired by D.O. this time decided the yuran to be RM240 same with Penang. Later in the day, DL called D.O and had a short chat. After put down the phone, DL drafted a letter and faxed over to D.O. Two days later, the whole Parit Buntar BH owners were jumping and celebrating. The D.O. announced the yuran to be only RM200.


Please help to find out and fill in the following with detailed descriptions if possible and as soon as possible. We need the comparisons.
1) Penang state- Annual lesen premis are flat RM 240 flat for one operation.
2) Majlis Daerah Kerian-lesen premis- RM 200
3) Taiping-
4) Telok Intan-
5) Sri Manjung-
6) Ipoh-
7) Selangor-
8) Pahang-
9) Kelantan-
10) Malacca-
11) Negeri Seremban-
12) Trengganu-
13) Perlis-
14) Johor-

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Mar 1 2009, 01:22 AM

Since it involves orang kampong, how could orang kampong afford Rm 240.00? They will say places like penang, Taiping,etc all are town area so town area all towkay kaya-kaya that is why they charge rm 240.00. Why should there be double standard?

I would say not more that rumah tumpangan which is Rm 80.00. Places like Subang Jaya ,P.J ,etc where rental of ground floor shops could go above Rm 15,000.00 per month or more. The land is so expensive here,the business traffic is so high yet the trading license is only Rm 200++.

Why do we allow them to charge so high in small town just because of their stupid perception.

As mentioned goldsmith license is cheaper!

The reasonable charges should be below Rm 80.00

This post has been edited by swifbuild: Mar 1 2009, 01:38 AM

There is one more park to be developed by the famous so-called ISO CONtractor/CONsultant, Yenzheka, in Tangkak, Johor. I don't have the detail, anyone has further details ?

lucas , can i ask u some question?
my BH build in agriculture land, can i build a dog cannel above my BH ????
but the new garis panduan just come out, and mention cant build dog cannel in shop lot or agriculture land?thanks....anyone can tell me?
can i build dog cannel in agriculture land?

lucas , can i ask u some question?
my BH build in agriculture land, can i build a dog cannel above my BH ????
but the new garis panduan just come out, and mention cant build dog cannel in shop lot or agriculture land?thanks....anyone can tell me?
can i build dog cannel in agriculture land?



The reason for not encouraging having Dog Kennel or window type entrance is due to its uncontrollable noise nuisance caused especially in township. If you are doing it on agricultural land in rural area where it doesn’t cause such nuisance to the neighbours, this condition may not be necessary and affecting. Moreover any new guidelines or by-laws created does not have retrospective effect on situations happened prior to it coming into effect. But, nonetheless, it is our moral obligation as a good and considerate citizen to rectify and to comply if circumstances permit for the wellness of this industry.

Generally, all the existing BHs with DK or window type entrances especially those in shop-house in townships are encouraged to convert them into air-well type entrance so to reduce the chances of causing the number one complaint against this industry, that is the noise nuisance.(Constitute 90% of complaints received)

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Added on March 1, 2009, 6:38 pmCONTEMPLATION OF FORMING A SPECIAL TASK FORCE TO TACKLE THE PERHILITAN CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES


DL received numerous complaints of bird’s nest being detained, confiscated or componded in exit points in KLIA and LCCI recently. One China tourist after first time touring here, purchased 2 kg of processed nest as hand gift and for self consumption was stopped at the Security Screening Unit. It seemed that he was compounded RM1, 500 by the Custom before he was allowed to bring the nest board the plane. We do not know if the money is paid officially to the Custom, Perhilitan or duit kopi. There are simply too many such cases causing harassment to the people including genuine foreign tourists carrying only 2 ounces. This news have deterred and frightened many tourists from buying bird’s nest in Malaysia and even caused negative publicity on our inbound tourism resulting in slow down of foreign tourists.

According to the Custom Act, there is no tax or duty on bird’s nest going out of Malaysia. Presently, only the Perhilitan is imposing the controversial exit tax of RM100/kg on nest for export. The lengthy and troublesome bureaucratic red tapes and procedures implemented since 2007 has caused a sharp decline in demand of the Malaysia produced nests and thus the prices of nests tumbled down due to a sudden glut of nests since then.

Previously and prior to the ‘silent’ implementation of the EXIT TAX by the Perhilitan at exit points, the foreign buyers on average used to make 6 to 8 trips a month to buy nest from here. With the controversial and ambiguous process and procedure of the Perhilitan, it immediately caused inconvenience, troubles and hardship to these foreign buyers and their trips to Malaysia reduced to a maximum of only 2 per month. A 75% drop. Many cases of harassment, arrests, and confiscation of nests were caused to these buyers in airports. On top of this, additional RM 100/kg plus other extra operation costs, such as extended lodging, transports, labour etc incurred have rendered the buying of Malaysia nests become less attractive and competitive to them. Many turned away from here and to outsource from other countries, such as Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia etc for all the convenience. The price of above RM5, 000/kg of the 1st grade of nest prior to 2007 has today dropped to only RM2, 500, a drop of 50%. Many Malaysian owners are overstocked with no demand from foreign buyers and are facing immensely increased financial hardship. This is very alarming and could be disastrous and it has also caused a heavy loss in much needed foreign revenue to Malaysia for the last 2 years.

In view of the continuous deterioration of the situation, something has to be done by the local owners who are also the citizens of Malaysia for self rescue before the whole Malaysia BH industry and economy crumble due to this inconsiderate and shortsighted act and abuse of power and procedure and the injustice done by a certain unscrupulous high ranking officials from a certain quarter Govt department to mislead the Ministry to pass through such unwise, undesirable and unfavourable Enactment and policy both to the country and its people. This is unwittingly and slowly crippling and killing the new found and God sent Golden Goose let of Malaysia before it could even come to maturity. This is just like hitting own feet with stone.

In view of the seriousness and the worsening situation faced by this industry, Mr David Lim is volunteering and considering organising a Task Force urgently to specially investigate on this matter. He is planning to appeal to volunteers from BH owners across Malaysia to help in. He cannot do it alone. This Task Force (TF) shall do the collection of data, evidence of cases, information of malpractices, hardship caused, and corruption practices by the relevant departments. The TF shall then compile them and would have these studied and scrutinised by a panel of professional constitutional lawyers and experienced professionals. The findings and recommendations would then be attached and enclosed in a memorandum to be presented directly to the Ministers of the relevant Ministries including the Prime Minister Department. A meeting for dialogue would be sought with the Ministers including the Prime Minister.

DL would like to remind that the people are the BOSSES of this country. The YBs (CEO) are elected and entrusted by the BOSSES to administer this country properly and to implement good policies to serve and to benefit the BOSSES of this country with JUSTICE and FAIRNESS and without personal hidden agenda. With unity of the BOSSES (people) and with the constitutional right vested, we shall decide who shall be the next good CEOs.

Rightfully this action should be taken up and spearheaded by the committees of the numerous birds’ nest associations scattered across the country. But it may be due to the various circumstances and reasons and the disunity, not much positive actions seemed or seen to have done. Understand that several attempts had been brought up by certain associations regarding the issues but to no avail and follow ups. It is also understandable that not all the committees in an association are committed and possessed the calibre and ability to pursue the matter. May be there exists only one or two individual in each association who are prepared to do it but due to inadequate of support and assistance rendered by the other fellow committees, thus not much could be done. Sometimes, the committees holding high positions are simply illiterate and totally inefficient and lacking of knowledge as to how to do it is the main cause.

DL would like to invite such individual committee with the sense of commitment, righteousness and dedication to come forwards to liaise with him as an individual volunteer and to join in this ad hoc TF and share and work as a team to tackle the various BH issues. DL also invites everybody and anybody in this forum to join in to play a small role as he deems fit. Please remember that every BH owner, trader, consultant, or blogger is on the same boat. So, whether you want to continue to sail or sink together, it is all up to you. Only with unity with proper strategy and planning as ateam, we can win. If everybody is selfish, expecting somebody to do it, in the end nobody does it; the future of this industry is sure doomed.

Those prepared to help in to save the industry, please either post it up here or PM to me or contact DL directly.



This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Mar 1 2009, 06:38 PM

watching AEC 302, Zero distance with Lim Guan ENg......

cannot tahan lah....the story just too touching.....

Quoted from LGE, ` Sometimes i wonder whether i am stupid as peoples go to jail due to doing harm to others but i go to jail due to helping people that i not even met before '.....




This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 1 2009, 07:49 PM

ok,thanks lucas, thanks ur expert advice, i am appreciate it
if ur BH in agriculture land and consider the new guidelines or by-laws created does not a matter ,which type u like to choose as ur entrance ???thanks,hope u can share with us newbie

not which type u like but which type your local birds there like?. Sometimes we all emphasis or concentrate in so much about THE DESIGN and has neglected the very most important factor, THE BIRDS...

Before designing your first Farm, have you actually see how swiftlets fly pattern...their capability and their inability and their natural flying pattern??..

That's more important than what we liked....

woh....thks lucas1 for reminding us this issue, else sure next week kena liao, one of our taiwan friend who is coming to malaysia and had ordered 4 kilo of nests for their own consumption n they did plan to bring it with them when they leave the country....

where shall we start this...custom dept?.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 1 2009, 09:14 PM

I will strongly recommended the air well entrance for BH for the following reasons.
1. In air well design or the open roof design, the external sound will not be heard from the outside of the BH; therefore, no sound disturbance to the neighbors.
2. All my BHs are open roof or Air well design, I am OK. I have asked my neighbours if my tweeters disturbed them and they say that they didn't hear the sound. Maybe, they are kind to me but if your tweeters are directed toward the sky, only the birds and the fairies will be disturbed.

3. The odour and air pollution if any, will be totally disappear or very much reduced when compare with the rest types.

4. The only problem with the system is the rain, and this is rather so easy to solve as most Shops has a air well. Maybe, construction of dog kernel may mean better for the contractor/consultant as they do charge for the extra job. Open window and dog kernel type will cause disturbance to your neighbours no matter how you construct your BH, if the external tweeters not the problem, the internal tweeters do cause the problem as the sound travel from inside to outside thru the entrance but if in the case of open roof type, the sound travel to the sky.... worst if you use internal sound for the night.....I wouldn't want to stay behind your BH........nightmare.

Althought posting here will cause some unpleasant remarks, but we need to be responsible to all esp. our dear neighbours for their understandings and their support. Better be frank and honest then regret later.

Well, if agri land, any design will do if you think is right for what's the problem unless you think that the animals may protest or go crazy. Then, the decision is not mine but the Authorities.

Again, as always...above are my humble opinions to all newbiz.

for my opinion if u wanna blast till ur amp burn and got smell like cha kuay tiau ,u can install Bazoooka facing sky sure down street won hear any sound.

This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Mar 1 2009, 11:34 PM

ok,thanks lucas, thanks ur expert advice, i am appreciate it
if ur BH in agriculture land and consider the new guidelines or by-laws created does not a matter ,which type u like to choose as ur entrance ???thanks,hope u can share with us newbie









To me, I would prefer air-well type for so many good reasons already mentioned by our fellow sifus here. Another one good reason is that my personal experience that rarely the air-well type being intruded by the owls (burung hantu) as compared to other types.


Also through my past years observation that among the new generation of BHs in a new area, I notice that those with air-well type always emerged as the champions in the growth rate as compared to other types operated same time. So the choice is yours.

Air Well or Window type?

Air well for all new bird's house is the right choice.

Design wise or whether it is owl proof, not always the best design.

But still highly recommending air well for the all farm house whether standalone or shop.

There are some jokers who owned standalone farms in eco park and ends up the whole area are totally going crazy !!!...

they are not only fighting for sound quality but they are actually fighting who can churn out higher volume from their tweeters !!!!!

Again observe how it fly as it is not the air well or window design that will make your farm success or slow or failed......

Both DK & OR have their advantages & disadvantages. It's how you could make use of them to the fullest advantage.

Understand the flying route & circle of birds would certainly help u in determine the right e.hole.

As far as sound pollution, given both without using Hex tweeters the sound reaching distance of DK is farther. As OR tends to reach a limited position as facing vertical to the sky. The advantage of OR the sound will not reach horizontal level thus less neighbors’ complain.

then what is the advantages & disadvantages for DK if compare with OR????
thanks if all sifu here can share it coz i prefer DK.

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Added on March 2, 2009, 11:25 amthanks lucas's advice
but is that DK type being easy intruded by the owls (burung hantu) as compared to other types???

air-well type always emerged as the champions in the growth rate as compared to other types operated same time. really?any figure prove?

i also heard from many owner BH say that DK also is the champions in the growth rate as compared to other types operated same time.may be there hv their reason but i really dun know is that true or not ,hope all sifu here can forgive me if i am wrong.


This post has been edited by vegachia: Mar 2 2009, 11:25 AM

14) Johor Segamat no licence no annual fee............ Every year pay fine RM 1000 .........

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Added on March 2, 2009, 2:15 pmAny sifu can share..................
Why new birds lay egg at the first time always one egg and not two egg?

This post has been edited by tongserseng: Mar 2 2009, 02:15 PM

[quote=tsm198092,Feb 26 2009, 07:31 AM]the F***hairy stil not learn a lession. stil said ppl against him.
use our belove DL photo be his advertising tool
F***

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Thank you very much tsm,

After you reported this, "H" has already removed the offensive picture from his blog, it is now being replaced by this picture of "a dog biting a cat's tail".

Thanks tsm, we all should not allowed this "H" to take advantage of our beloved Mr DL.

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Added on March 2, 2009, 2:47 pmAny sifu can share..................
Why new birds lay egg at the first time always one egg and not two egg?

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Hi tong, could you check the floor area right beneath the nest, see any broken eggs? Usually in my BH, even new birds have 2 eggs for the first time. Even now, there is 3 nests with 3 eggs in one nest, this I am puzzled

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Added on March 2, 2009, 2:53 pm[quote=ChanK,Mar 2 2009, 08:51 AM]
There are some jokers who owned standalone farms in eco park and ends up the whole area are totally going crazy !!!...

they are not only fighting for sound quality but they are actually fighting who can churn out higher volume from their tweeters !!!!!


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You are right Mr Chan, these jokers like "Yau Kei Wooi, Fong Thou Chun". Really crazy, maybe all of them got this idea from their sifu "H". Remember the "retarded BH" & "crazy experiments" highlighted by Lucas...

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Added on March 2, 2009, 3:04 pm[quote=tsm198092,Feb 28 2009, 11:49 PM]
PITY ALL THE NEWBIE
PAY MONEY TO LEARN BULLSHIT THINGS
use other people farm be a experiment
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Brother tsm, I wonder whether do you know of anyone who knows where "H" failed farm is, maybe videotaping the failed farm and showing it on youtube would prove for once and for all to all newbies the true level of "H" skill.... thanks bro tsm....

This post has been edited by 69ing: Mar 2 2009, 03:04 PM

Now, we talk about Eggs and swiftlets eggs that is. As far as I know AF lays 2 eggs and why one 1 or 3 lah?

My view are as follow...

1. 1 egg and stay 1 egg after a week.....congratulation cos the bird must from your neighbour because your neighbour has harvested the nest before the bird lay the second eggs and that is 2 days later and the bird is deperately seeking for a place to put the nest down and no nest is in the BH and your BH happened to have one empty nest. Maybe, the bird miscarriage and lost one hahaha

2. 3 eggs is also the same as above, no nest to put the egg so the bird just tumpang another nest. The bird can control the time to lay eggs but once the egg is ready, big and almost harden, the bird need to get rid of the nest. The bird will stop at 2 as any more than 2, the parent bird will find it very difficult to care for them. During bad time, even 1 chick may died and during good time, even 3 birds may survive.

Above, are my understanding of swiftlets breeding behavior and kindly comment................

PM from Vegachia

http://dc123.4shared.com/download/90132278...075733-2dff2e77


My double layer brick wall has no cavity. I just stacked the bricks in crisscross position ie. 2 vertical and 2 hrizontal and so on. Without the insulation gap, the internal wall is still cool to touch in the evening and at the same time I got a very strong reinforced wall to prevent forceful break in. If you insist to have a gap in between, I think 1" or 0.5" already good enough to provide the heat insulation effect.

Im no sifu, above comments are my personal experience and observation from my DIY stand alone BH project.

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Mar 2 2009, 05:10 PM

hi
nice to meet everybody. i follow ths forum abt 1 month. jt finish the post n register jt nw. learn a lot of thg from sifu here
a lot of people discuss about the blogger.
harry , ck, james,pak hen.................
my point of view is we hav to use our wisdom to choose the consultant.most of the blogger jt report the good work from them.
for example, my frien, MR Lim in melaka farm was visited by JAMES last year(he write in his blog wtith title DARING FARMER, date 11 aug 2008.)
My friend follow his advise n renovate the farm again. but very disappoined, the result even worse. JAMES never report ths in his blog.so before choose any consultant, we should learn as much as possible abt swiftlet knowledge so tht we knw is the consultant qualified to revamp our farm.
i jt want to share my point of view abt the blogger, not against anyone

This post has been edited by woojia: Mar 2 2009, 06:50 PM