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post Feb 8 2009, 03:29 AM, updated 17y ago

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1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


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Season 08/09 Fixtures

Sat Aug 16 2008 Sunderland (A) 15:00
0- 1

Sat Aug 23 2008 Middlesbrough (H) 15:00
2- 1

Sat Aug 30 2008 Aston Villa (A) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Sep 13 2008 Manchester United (H) 15:00
2- 1

Sat Sep 20 2008 Stoke City (H) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Sep 27 2008 Everton (A) 15:00
0- 2

Sat Oct 04 2008 Manchester City (A) 15:00
2- 3

Sat Oct 18 2008 Wigan Athletic (H) 15:00
3- 2

Sat Oct 25 2008 Chelsea (A) 15:00
0- 1

Wed Oct 29 2008 Portsmouth (H) 15:00
1- 0

Sat Nov 01 2008 Tottenham Hotspur (A) 15:00
2- 1

Sat Nov 08 2008 West Bromwich Albion (H) 15:00
3- 0

Sat Nov 15 2008 Bolton Wanderers (A) 15:00
0- 2

Sat Nov 22 2008 Fulham (H) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Nov 29 2008 West Ham United (H) 15:00
0- 0

Sat Dec 06 2008 Blackburn Rovers (A) 15:00
3- 1

Sat Dec 13 2008 Hull City (H) 15:00
2- 2

Sat Dec 20 2008 Arsenal (A) 15:00
1- 1

Fri Dec 26 2008 Bolton Wanderers (H) 15:00
3- 0

Sun Dec 28 2008 Newcastle United (A) 15:00
1- 5

Sat Jan 10 2009 Stoke City (A) 15:00
0- 0

Tues Jan 20 2009 Everton (H) 15:00
1- 1

Tue Jan 27 2009 Wigan Athletic (A) 15:00
1- 1

Sat Jan 31 2009 Chelsea (H) 15:00
2- 0

Sat Feb 07 2009 Portsmouth (A) 15:00
2- 3

Sat Feb 21 2009 Manchester City (H) 15:00
1- 1

Sat Feb 28 2009 Middlesbrough (A) 15:00
2- 0

Wed Mar 04 2009 Sunderland (H) 15:00
2- 0

Sat Mar 14 2009 Manchester United (A) 15:00
Sat Mar 21 2009 Aston Villa (H) 15:00
Sat Apr 04 2009 Fulham (A) 15:00
Sat Apr 11 2009 Blackburn Rovers (H) 15:00
Sat Apr 18 2009 Arsenal (H) 15:00
Sat Apr 25 2009 Hull City (A) 15:00
Sat May 02 2009 Newcastle United (H) 15:00
Sat May 09 2009 West Ham United (A) 15:00
Sat May 16 2009 West Bromwich Albion (A) 15:00
Sun May 24 2009 Tottenham Hotspur

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++ OFFICIAL 08/09 SQUAD PHOTOGRAPH
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LFC Top Scorer for Premier League


Steven "Captain Marvel" Gerrard 9
Fernando "El Nino" Torres 8
Black Horse Dirk Kuyt 7
Robbie "I m back to Spurs" Keane 5
Alberto Riera 2
"Red Card Generator" Xabi Alonso 2
David N'gog 1


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4. http://www.lfc-forum.co.uk/

5. ftp://lfc.org.hk/

6. http://www.redandwhitekop.com

7. WikiPedia about Liverpool FC

8. Lfc4life

9. The Liverpool Supporters Club Malaysia (LSCM)

10. LiverPooL NEWS

11. My Rawk

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Match Highlights


LIVERPOOL 2 - 0 Sunderland


52' [1 - 0] D. N`Gog

65' [2 - 0] Y. Benayoun


Highlights:

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Match Stats :
TEAM
LIVERPOOL
Reina, Insua, Carragher, Skrtel, Mascherano, Riera, Gerrard (captain), Alonso, Benayoun, Kuyt, Ngog.
Subs - Hyypia, Aurelio, El Zhar, Dossena, Babel, Leiva, Cavalieri

SUNDERLAND
Fulop, McCartney, Ferdinand, Ben-Haim, Collins, Richardson, Whitehead (captain), Leadbitter, Malbranque, Jones, Reid.
Subs - Murphy, Cisse, Gordon, Davenport, Bardsley, Edwards, Healy

Referee : M Halsey

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REDS AROUND THE WORLD: MALAYSIA
Jonno Lim, Malaysia 13 January 2009

Meet 32-year-old events manager Jonno Lim, who helps run an independent supporters’ club and gets up at the crack of dawn to catch the Reds in action with hundreds of other fans in a crowded Malaysian bar.


Like most things, my association with the Malaysian independent supporters' club started with a few beers. After meeting on the fans' forum Red and White Kop (RAWK), we decided that as there were a fair number of us Reds in the same corner of the world, the least we could do was watch a game together in a bar.

Liverpool ran home 3-0 winners over Everton at Goodison Park that day in August 2003, with Michael Owen scoring a brace and Harry Kewell getting the third goal just before the final whistle.

Having supported the club from afar for so long, it felt very special to be enjoying a Liverpool victory with a few like-minded people. I had watched the Reds with friends before, but nothing like this. Even the owner of the Boardwalk on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur was a Reds fanatic, so it became known as the closest thing any Malaysian Red could get to the special Anfield atmosphere.

There are so many Liverpool fans in this part of the world, and they all have their own story to tell. Some adopt the Reds because of their history, others simply get drawn in by the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 or the breathtaking 'Gerrard Final' of 2006.

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The only reason I can offer for following the Reds is probably quite similar to most people's - all of my family are massive Liverpool fans. It goes way back to the seventies and beyond, so it was a no-brainer for me to be the same as them.

My earliest memory is of Michael Thomas and Ian Rush securing the FA Cup for Liverpool with great goals against Sunderland at Wembley in 1992. I can also vividly remember Neil 'Razor' Ruddock holding his head after scoring a late equaliser in the dramatic 3-3 draw with Manchester United in January 1994.

Nigel Clough scored twice that day, but the look on Ruddock's face will remain with me forever - the ball hit him on the top of his head before going in the net and he seemed in quite a lot of pain while celebrating his decisive goal at Anfield. I couldn't stop laughing.

As time went by, my Liverpool obsession grew. We experienced many joyous Saturday and Sunday nights at the Boardwalk over the years and celebrated many great Liverpool victories there. But our friend, Bala, soon told us he had to sell his bar and we were left with nowhere to watch our beloved Reds during the early hours of the morning over here in Malaysia.

And when the new owner of the Boardwalk told us they would not be opening for the 2007 Champions League final clash with AC Milan due to the fact it would be kicking off at 3.30am over here, we knew that we had to act quickly to find a new venue.

After a long and frustrating search, we finally found a small pub that would open for the match. We got in touch with our friends and fellow supporters to join us for the big game, as we knew that whenever Liverpool was involved in a big European game, it was guaranteed to be something special.

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We only really expected about 50 people to turn up at the most, but the bar ended up being crammed full with about 200 fans, all screaming at the screen, willing on the Reds. We were all disappointed that Rafa's men did not win that night in Athens, but a few of us knew right then that not only did we need a bigger venue, but also a proper fan club to bring all of these Liverpool supporters together.

We called our new supporters' club 'MyRAWK', as most of us had met through RAWK, while the ‘My’ stands for Malaysia and also gives us a sense that a certain part of LFC can belong to us individually.

Things were tough at the beginning, but settling on the M Bar as our exclusive home for watching all the games helped us a lot. The owner agreed to open up at all the unsociable hours involved in supporting a club many miles away and laid on a host of generous drinks offers.

What started as a small MyRAWK blog soon turned into a full website, and before long we had Liverpool fans joining us from all over for our match-viewing parties. From local lawyers to homesick expats, tourists to ex players (Ian Rush once even joined us - that was a very special day), the M Bar is now full of fervent fans week in, week out. I usually take up the microphone at each event and am always proud to be the official master of ceremonies.

We even have our futsal team and are also in the process of setting up a full 11-a side side. Our interim team recently won our first trophy, the Christmas Cup and one day we hope to have a proper team which takes part in the local social league.

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But due to the exchange rate and distance, not many of us have been lucky enough to get over to Anfield. I am currently saving up to make the pilgrimage one day next season with a few other fans. I'm sure that once we get up close to Liverpool's hallowed home, there will be many of us who will be close to tears, as this would be nothing short of our visiting our very own Mecca.

One of our newer members, Phil, who now lives in Liverpool, always talks about how unbelievable it is that a bunch of guys who have never seen the Reds play up close can wake up in the middle of the night to support a team who are playing nearly 7,000 miles away, only to go back to bed and rise for work less than two hours later.

But none of us at MyRAWK would have it any other way. Witnessing another Liverpool victory make all the long, sleepy days in the office after a match worth it - and believe you me, there have been a lot of those in recent years.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2009, 11:47 PM)
Ladies and Germs,

MyRawk presents their first ever community t-shirt for the liverpool loving public.

Currently available in L size in RED or WHITE, and which measures 22" across, which is basically the same width as your L sized adidas jersey.
We are also taking orders for other sizes, so do state what you need.

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TORRREEESSS
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My heart can't take much more of this. ;D
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Benitez: Fernando, you are starting today.

Torres: No, sir. Sub me in on the 80th.

Benitez: But why?!?!

Torres: Trust me, 10 minutes is all I need to win it for you.
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who say rafa shud go? come give a better replacement then
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QUOTE(blinky @ Feb 8 2009, 03:36 AM)
Benitez: Fernando, you are starting today.

Torres: No, sir. Sub me in on the 80th.

Benitez: But why?!?!

Torres: Trust me, 10 minutes is all I need to win it for you.
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not just credit to torres!! the other 2 r BRAVO!!! KYUUTT!!! AURREELLIIOOO! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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what a f***ing win that was in the end. back to the days of october when we were beating teams from behind. Benni is my MOTM

YNWA
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QUOTE(blinky @ Feb 8 2009, 03:36 AM)
Benitez: Fernando, you are starting today.

Torres: No, sir. Sub me in on the 80th.

Benitez: But why?!?!

Torres: Trust me, 10 minutes is all I need to win it for you.
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QUOTE(sKy_jAi @ Feb 8 2009, 03:37 AM)
what a f***ing win that was in the end. back to the days of october when we were beating teams from behind. Benni is my MOTM

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babel = shocking....i cant believe how the hell he able to miss, we were lucky to have torres.....very lucky indeed
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QUOTE(blinky @ Feb 8 2009, 03:36 AM)
Benitez: Fernando, you are starting today.

Torres: No, sir. Sub me in on the 80th.

Benitez: But why?!?!

Torres: Trust me, 10 minutes is all I need to win it for you.
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LOL in torres we trust then. what a finisher....
doubt theres any1 else as good as him when he is in his best form
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I think Rafa should seriously consider to offload Babel & Desonna next season... Agree guys???
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my motm definitely is mr ryan babel.
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QUOTE(kcmy @ Feb 8 2009, 03:28 AM)
Torres,cant live without him...btw,what's the sign he's making when he's celebrating his goal?
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QUOTE(RedsArrow @ Feb 8 2009, 03:38 AM)
I think Rafa should seriously consider to offload Babel & Desonna next season...  Agree guys???
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QUOTE(Vagine @ Feb 8 2009, 03:39 AM)
my motm definitely is mr ryan babel.
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i'm only able to laugh at this because we won, imagine the amount of posts that will be cursing him if we drop points sweat.gif
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we're just lucky to win this. I think pompey played better football today, more organised and better in passings.

to start with 6 defenders, and allow them to score 2. How crazy.
I couldn't believe when we allow them to lead us twice.
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QUOTE(Halfhearted04 @ Feb 8 2009, 03:33 AM)
BENNII!!!I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
damn you rafa  biggrin.gif  cry.gif  biggrin.gif  cry.gif  biggrin.gif  cry.gif  biggrin.gif  cry.gif  biggrin.gif 
start him !!!!!!!
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a new thread???
ya dossena play well today...
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We could have won it with greater score margin if Babel din miss, Aurelio din hit the post, Kuyt's goal din rule out...

Anyway, nowadays Torres dont score with legs eh? Prefer head....

And Benayoun is really on fire now tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Vagine @ Feb 8 2009, 03:40 AM)
dess lol. babel can get us around 20mil
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Hmmm...... 20Mil for Babel??? If we can get back 9mil, we shld laughing already... laugh.gif
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Yup, Dossena, Benayoun, Fabio Aurellio, Masc and all the defenders played well. Ngog was ... meh and Babel was like ...... k.


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Hmmm......  20Mil for Babel???  If we can get back 9mil, we shld laughing already... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Feb 8 2009, 03:40 AM)
i'm only able to laugh at this because we won, imagine the amount of posts that will be cursing him if we drop points sweat.gif
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lol if u look back, every1 LREADY had been cursing him throught d match. dammit babel , wonder if man city wud bid 20mil for him
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i believe pompy player will get butt sckx in the fitting room by the manager!
i saw him kicking the chair when kyut score !
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babel is the worst signing after keane..
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Steven "Captain Marvel" Gerrard 9
Fernando "El Nino" Torres 8
Robbie "I m back to Spurs" Keane 5
Black Horse Dirk Kuyt 6
Alberto Riera 2
"Red Card Generator" Xabi Alonso 2


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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Feb 8 2009, 03:15 AM)
hahahha..hope ur beloved rafa think positive like u...we should won if all aour star players played..once again..we lose..i dont know..i shut my tv off when i c the starting line up coz i know this gonna happens coz it keep happens..believe me..we would not win league with benitez..another disapponted decision by him..arghh...i can see angry voices is the liverpoolfc.tv forum after this game..i dont know this forum is soo hepy with the game...we lose pint in a game that we should win..!damn!!!!
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QUOTE(hamsapfella @ Feb 8 2009, 03:45 AM)
babel is the worst signing after keane..
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though we had a bit of luck with the first goal, there's no denying that liverpool is the better side. i thought with that line up they were bound for a draw again but babel and ngog didn't dissapoint that much. ngog showed interest and being so young, i'd say he did well

not forgeting rafa. man he put kuyt and torres as subs and both of em scored. it was worth every minute staying up til 3:30. though i still miss keane. too bad rafa had to sell him coz they were cash strapped. the only thing left is to pray that the devils fumble

btw, dont blame babel for the miss too much. gerrard and keane missed chances like those(bolton match). he was flagged anyway. babel was hard working on that match. though he lost possession a lot, it was only coz there were like 4 defenders charged at him. given a shot, he'd make it count for sure. he's young, needs time to develop

and what did dossena do wrong? he had a lot of possession and went forward well

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we are now back to top lols. never see this coming. but MU has two game in hand... wut are d odds of them losing 2 games in a row? any1 wanna bet? lol
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how can babel miss that shot??? how can a professional striker, dunno how to score ?
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Great game for neutrals, but very unconvincing. Hope the team can build on this win and take the next weekend off to refresh!
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QUOTE(Vagine @ Feb 8 2009, 03:46 AM)
hw bout diouf? cisse?((((((((((((( lucas?tongue.gif))))))))
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Aiyo... Cisse & Diouf r not sign by Rafa, right?? Don't simply masuk account lar.... laugh.gif
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babel is the worst signing after keane..
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sir , kean wasnt a bad signing, rafa just doesn't like his face.
if rafa had giving him the patience he gave lucas babel or kuyt..... oh well. .. its the past now ...
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u can hear they sing the torres song loudly even we trail by a goal..
i wish i cud be there at the stadium..
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Feb 8 2009, 03:48 AM)
how can babel miss that shot??? how can a professional striker, dunno how to score ?
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errr he is a winger. wanted to claim forward spot tho..
i wonder if keane wudve scored if its him. lol. doubt it
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What can i say?

Splendid performance from Yossi and Mascherano.

Leave Babel alone, he is going to be benched until end of the season.
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Feb 8 2009, 03:48 AM)
how can babel miss that shot??? how can a professional striker, dunno how to score ?
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He would have been thinking about what celebration he should perform once he "puts" the ball in the net...

lol, just jkin'
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lmao...weird, cant a rival wish another team good luck?? +_=
anyway off to bed! have fun spamming! haha
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BABEL IS DA MAN!!!!!

Damn rafa giving me heart attacks...
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Good night fellow reds.Have a sweet sweet dream after such sweet sweet victory! rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Vagine @ Feb 8 2009, 03:46 AM)
hw bout diouf? cisse?((((((((((((( lucas?tongue.gif))))))))
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diouf and cisse was signed by houllier.. they are better outside liverpool IMO.. lucas is not consistent... smile.gif

QUOTE(Halfhearted04 @ Feb 8 2009, 03:49 AM)
sir , kean wasnt a bad signing, rafa just doesn't like his face.
if rafa had giving him the patience he gave lucas babel or kuyt..... oh well. .. its the past now ...
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keane and babel has the worst goalrate to transfer fee ratio... Waste of money..
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 8 2009, 03:52 AM)
Post 5 updated with Match Highlights
Good night fellow reds.Have a sweet sweet dream after such sweet sweet victory!  rclxm9.gif
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Night, night. Hope you dream of Babel tonight smile.gif
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Credits for Mancs fans.

I can even smell them supporting Pompey when i was sitting watching the game. It's real huge upset for them, honestly.
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Feb 8 2009, 03:48 AM)
how can babel miss that shot??? how can a professional striker, dunno how to score ?
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how professional also got 2 legs only..btw..3 points is enough for me..the rest was history and going to bed with a smile..woohoo
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QUOTE(hamsapfella @ Feb 8 2009, 03:53 AM)
diouf and cisse was signed by houllier.. they are better outside liverpool IMO.. lucas is not consistent... smile.gif
keane and babel has the worst goalrate to transfer fee ratio... Waste of money..
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babel is a winger in liverpool. and he doesn't start often. as for keane, u don't expect ppl to straight away adapt to new teams like torres did. torres is an ideal standard. you should base your judgements on normal standards
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My brother was like "Mwahahahaha... with Pompey also can't win arr?" when they were 2-1 down. As soon as Torres scored, he went to bed. lolcake biggrin.gif
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lol, mancs fans will sokong even man city when it comes to our matches.
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Night, night. Hope you dream of Babel tonight smile.gif
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Nah...I aint going to dream of Babel.

He played so badly tonight...

I rather dream of her:

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how professional also got 2 legs only..btw..3 points is enough for me..the rest was history and going to bed with a smile..woohoo
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Feb 8 2009, 03:54 AM)
Credits for Mancs fans.

I can even smell them supporting Pompey when i was sitting watching the game. It's real huge upset for them, honestly.
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Nah...I aint going to dream of Babel.

He played so badly tonight...

I rather dream of her:

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 8 2009, 03:56 AM)
Nah...I aint going to dream of Babel.

He played so badly tonight...

I rather dream of her:

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Ok, we shall BOTH dream of her. She's super cute.
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QUOTE(Vagine @ Feb 8 2009, 03:56 AM)
lol, mancs fans will sokong even man city when it comes to our matches.
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guy sat beside me(manu supporter) juz lose dunhill 14 to a liverpool supporter.

@bomberkenny

I wish I can tell him to stop do all those tricks and pass the ball to alonso tongue.gif
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Sol, your wet dreams can't be without Torres. biggrin.gif

Anybody noticed his gesture after the winner? Makes me wonder
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Number 9. That's what he showed the fans.
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 8 2009, 03:58 AM)
Number 9. That's what he showed the fans.
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what mean number 9??

I think he try to show figure number 19 lar biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(popsoul @ Feb 8 2009, 03:58 AM)
Sol, your wet dreams can't be without Torres. biggrin.gif

Anybody noticed his gesture after the winner? Makes me wonder
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he was crossing his fingers hmm.gif anyway, going to bed. final note, give babel a break

sleep tight people, have a nice dream but keep em DRY whistling.gif

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Alonso is really really good. The gameplay totally changed when he came on. Switch passes, through balls, man... he's superb. My favourite player.
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what mean number 9??

I think he try to show figure number 19 lar  biggrin.gif
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lol, to me it looked like a 9. xD
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It's solely a gamble to start Ngog and Babel while i was like WTF when first happened to glance on the lineup. Surprisingly we had a pretty good first half with the lineup, and i was very happy until Kranjca(spelling?) came on and provide them cutting edge. Eventually and unexpected turnout from three subs, not only Alonso but Kuyt did very well IMO.

Anyway great experience and fresh combination in the team tonight. I am proud of everyone including the travelling fans, every effort counts.

Keep on believe, guys.
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:01 AM)
lol, to me it looked like a 9. xD
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what mean number 9??

I think he try to show figure number 19 lar  biggrin.gif
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More like a terbalik "9" to me laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:01 AM)
lol, to me it looked like a 9. xD
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Feb 8 2009, 04:04 AM)
It's solely a gamble to start Ngog and Babel while i was like WTF when first happened to glance on the lineup. Surprisingly we had a pretty good first half with the lineup, and i was very happy until Kranjca(spelling?) came on and provide them cutting edge. Eventually and unexpected turnout from three subs, not only Alonso but Kuyt did very well IMO.

Anyway great experience and fresh combination in the team tonight. I am proud of everyone including the travelling fans, every effort counts. 

Keep on believe, guys.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Feb 8 2009, 03:58 AM)
Sol, your wet dreams can't be without Torres. biggrin.gif

Anybody noticed his gesture after the winner? Makes me wonder
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Will surely dream of Torres as well.

Was surprised someone mentioned Benayoun as MOTM? Torres set up one goal and scored another.Both late goals were contributed from him,plus his lack of time on field,MOTM Torres for me tongue.gif
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Losers out there. I mean those against the odds.
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lol, terbalik 9. xD
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my motm definitely is mr ryan babel.
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You mean Villain Of T he Match?

My MoTM will definitely go to Benayoun today. His runs and passes were so perfect.
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Guys, try not to post anything in manu thread.Anything we post especially at this moment will not be welcomed and seriously, I dont think it's worth our time to do so.Just carry on the discussion here. cheers.YNWA...

Good night.
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MOTM should be benny..see how he dribble but Babel missed the chance..


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MOTM :Tony Adams... that beautiful superkick to the chair was awesome...
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MOTM :Tony Adams... that beautiful superkick to the chair was awesome...
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Totally agreed.

MOTM -> Babel != Man of the match. It's Miss of the month.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:05 AM)
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More like a terbalik "9" to me  laugh.gif
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Maybe it's a P for PWN-ed lolx. laugh.gif

Anyway, great performance and fighting spirit from the entire team. rclxms.gif Off to sleep soundly. smile.gif
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 8 2009, 04:12 AM)
MOTM :Tony Adams... that beautiful superkick to the chair was awesome...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:07 AM)
Will surely dream of Torres as well.

Was surprised someone mentioned Benayoun as MOTM? Torres set up one goal and scored another.Both late goals were contributed from him,plus his lack of time on field,MOTM Torres for me  tongue.gif
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No doubt Torres will be the official MOTM.

But wait, did you see how hard Yossi running up and down, not forgetting his great vision and gameplay which caused or more likely forced Mascherano to join the attacks. On a similar note, link up between him, Ngog and Babel was good, the 6 defenders more and less a testing tube with actually Arbeloa and Dossena running down the flanks for attacks.

It would be a narrow victory for either side if Pompey choose to play defensively at the first place, but they didn't. When it comes to a open game like this, any possibility can happen on the pitch. We were lucky to win this, in the other end, two costly mistakes from Reina and Babel looked like we were heading no where but zero turnout. That's football, you either get behind the team or walk out from the team, and i am glad we fight till last bit of sweat.
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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:14 AM)
we can replace babel with him rclxms.gif
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Dun want, later after match he will get drunk for no apparent reason. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:14 AM)
we can replace babel with him rclxms.gif
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*Correction*

We can replace Babel with the chair..
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:16 AM)
*Correction*

We can replace Babel with the chair..
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 8 2009, 04:16 AM)
*Correction*

We can replace Babel with the chair..
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haha good one...
so mybe i dream about me g*y with torres n benni tonite (3some)... tongue.gif
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this type of games can kill people in real life u know T.T
i almost die of a heart attack T.T
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next match will be on 22th feb .. f*ck it sad.gif

i hope vincent del bosque brings back a fit torres this time .
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any match highlight link?
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i was fall asleep during early minutes of 2nd half then awake after hreidarsson scored 2-1..i have no mood anymore to stay awake after that..only hoped miracle happen again and it did tongue.gif
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QUOTE(heizad @ Feb 8 2009, 07:01 AM)
i was fall asleep during early minutes of 2nd half then awake after hreidarsson scored 2-1..i have no mood anymore to stay awake after that..only hoped miracle happen again and it did tongue.gif
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it's not a miracle my friend..realizing playing without gerrard and torres entered the match at 20mins b4 ending, the 1st 70mins would be hard on liverpool as pompey attacking most of the time and we got a bit less chances to attack with the effort from benayoun n kuyt.. d game shows great spirit after torres came in and it's only time would bring most energy of kops to ensure they need to win this game to climb to the top of table, and walaweeey ,they did! motm shud be given 1st to torres, but i think without d struggle of benayoun, d game surely wl b on pompey side..


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i didnt watch the match, can anyone post the clip of tony adam super flying kung fu kicking the chair? laugh.gif
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Alonso is the best midfielder around this time. I like the way he play last night. It seems like his not struggling and always cool in the pitch. thumbup.gif
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our keeper arent at is best lasnight.. huuu
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Pompey Vs Liverpool Highlights

http://footballocks.net/index.php/1885/por...l-highlights-2/
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http://www.footytube.com

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Yea, he wasn't really at his best, but at least he managed to comfortably catch all the long/ high balls and not spill it. I don't really think it was the pressure, as he has been in more high-tension matches, so maybe he was frustrated with Babel as well. lolol

*Anything wrong in the Liverpool team sure got connection with Babel one*
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QUOTE(blinky @ Feb 8 2009, 03:36 AM)
Benitez: Fernando, you are starting today.

Torres: No, sir. Sub me in on the 80th.

Benitez: But why?!?!

Torres: Trust me, 10 minutes is all I need to win it for you.
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LOL !!! laugh.gif
This is hilarious notworthy.gif
10minutes !!!
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Babel...what a miss...oh my.


Added on February 8, 2009, 11:40 amhttp://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=51916031

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When Babel misses, it's not a miss, it is a good shot, but he is unlucky. xD

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 8 2009, 06:25 AM)
any match highlight link?
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Im So Happy that we win yesterday .. it was a bizarre game . first 1-1 then 2-1 then 2-2 then 3-2 . quite a superb comeback thumbup.gif .. all thanks to Fernando Torres notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 8 2009, 11:34 AM)
Babel...what a miss...oh my.


Added on February 8, 2009, 11:40 amhttp://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=51916031
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Thanks for the replay again!
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Anyone read about what Robbie said about Rafa in NST? It was so true..
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Anyone read about what Robbie said about Rafa in NST? It was so true..
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Meh, can't find it on the NST website... wtf?


Added on February 8, 2009, 2:01 pmhttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0207/1233867925980.html

Ah found it. The post on NST is just the same as the above.

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It is a gamble tactic by Rafa. 6 defenders with 3 centre defenders, 2 on the flank, one is the middle.

But soomehow with defence look quite shaky most of the time with 3 centre defenders, may be understanf not enough or not use to play with this system.



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I thought our defenders were awesome last night. Even Dossena played brilliantly. Our midfield was pretty solid too. We only lack our striking force. --> Babel lol
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 8 2009, 01:59 PM)
Meh, can't find it on the NST website... wtf?


Added on February 8, 2009, 2:01 pmhttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0207/1233867925980.html

Ah found it. The post on NST is just the same as the above.
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Still... do you remember how many sitters did Robbie miss? Luck wasn't there for him.

*Oh yeah Mascherano seem to have a talent for shooting from afar laugh.gif
Benny and Aurelio are REALLY GOOD. They remind me of Rafa's Valencia icon_idea.gif

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Yuka Yuka, yea, but did you see how hard he worked for the team whenever he was sent on? He runs EVERYWHERE, and he's really hardworking. He was beginning to settle into the team, when rafa decided to drop him... *sigh*


Added on February 8, 2009, 2:13 pmBenny is awesome. Really good "twisting" ability, and Aurellio, as you said, played brilliantly.

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Aurelio MOTM for me, benayoun was brilliant too.
It's weird how a 'B team' can come up with such positive responses from us, compared to our 'A Team'
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I think rafa should realise benayoun is a great player, i think he could play quite well in the middle, he can dribble very well and is probably one of the most intelligent footballers in our squad.
N'gog didn't do too badly, still young, I can see him developing into a good footballer.
I would REALLY like to see Daniel Pacheco get a call up some time soon, he's been brilliant for the reserve and youth team recently.
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i think solstice deserved to be called the most dedicated football fans in malaysia or at least in lowyat forum .

man , this girl or was it guy is everywhere and at anytime as well . certainly need to salute him and liverpool FC is indeed lucky enough to have such a fan in him

he certainly live and breath football , sleep and dream about liverpool and its competitors as well , i guess . good on ya mate

just my observation....hehe

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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Feb 8 2009, 02:55 PM)
i think  solstice deserved to be called the most dedicated football fans in malaysia or at least in lowyat forum .

man , this girl or was it  guy is everywhere and at anytime as well . certainly need to salute him and liverpool FC is indeed lucky enough to have such a fan in him

he certainly live and breath football , sleep and dream about liverpool and its competitors as well , i guess . good on ya mate

just my observation....hehe
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sarcastic . certainly not . if one have the time and interest why not . everyone is free and young once only, so by all means do indulged in something that you like doing

bet you are a nice lad with a genuine interest of the game in BPL in UCL
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I dream of Kuyt and Torres...
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based on yesterday's starting lineup..we're getting closer to a team of carragher biggrin.gif
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Upon seeing our starting line-up, it took me some time to realise this wasn't a league cup game. So Portsmouth are struggling and have only won 2 games under Tony Adams but with the league as stake, Rafa once again left me wondering how we could afford to leave the likes of Riera, Kuyt, Alonso and Torres on the bench. We started with 6 defenders (Skrtel,Agger, Carra, Aurelio, Dossena and Arbeloa) so forgive me for thinking we were playing at the Bernabeu. Like some of you, I have to agree that Aurelio had an awesome game, definitely one of his best in a red shirt. Benayoun was a constant threat with his mazy runs. As for Babel and N'Gog, now you know why Rafa hasn't been playing them much. I responded to a poster yesterday that expressed surprise at Rafa's exclusion of the two but like I said, Babel lacks vision while N'Gog lacks just about everything but pace. Fairplay though that both are young and will improve.

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While it takes a great deal of character for a team to come from behind to take all 3 points, it raises the already high blood pressure levels of Liverpool fans, me included. Why is it we only start to play when we go a goal down? I swear to you that in some games, I'm almost wishing we would conceded early just to give the players a jolt.

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Notice how far up the pitch they were playing this morning? Agger managed to earn a free kick near the edge of the opposition penalty box as he tried to find his way past 2 defenders. I've lost count the number of times Agger was seen bringing the ball all the way up the park. Not only did Skrtel do well defensively, he was basically parked at the half-way line as he slotted into the central right position of our 3 man defence later on in the game. He was operating almost like a right back.

I must admit that I thought it was all over after we conceded our 2nd. I was going to text my friends telling that it is now well and truly over especially since Chelsea contrived to draw against Hull at the bridge no less. Needless to say I am pretty relieved.
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did u guys still believe we win coz benitez tactic..still think we should win easily that game...and torres should get hatrix...i dont think he is planning to win last minute goal and already plan for torres score the injured time goal..he should stop the stupid rotating system if want the epl..


Added on February 8, 2009, 4:39 pmdid u guys still believe we win coz benitez tactic..still think we should win easily that game...and torres should get hatrix...i dont think he is planning to win last minute goal and already plan for torres score the injured time goal..he should stop the stupid rotating system if want the epl..


Added on February 8, 2009, 4:58 pmKeane baffled by treatment from Benitez
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ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE: ROBBIE KEANE has admitted he was “baffled” by his treatment at Liverpool by Rafael Benitez and he believes that he would have been a success at Anfield if another manager had been in charge.

The Republic of Ireland striker, who is now back at Tottenham Hotspur as captain and is preparing for tomorrow’s north London derby against Arsenal at White Hart Lane, painted a picture of Benitez as resolutely non-communicative.

He said that the Spaniard did not explain why he had omitted him from the squads that faced Everton in the FA Cup and Chelsea in the Premier League towards the end of last month, and that he had not even told him why he had decided to sell him back to Tottenham on Monday.

Keane’s stay at Liverpool lasted 189 days and was pock-marked by the frustrations of being played out of position and substituted.

“I never regret anything I have done,” said Keane. “Never, ever. It wasn’t a mistake for me to go there, it just didn’t work out for whatever reason. I didn’t fit into the way that Rafa plays football. With a different manager there, maybe it could have worked.

“I was doing everything I possibly could to play football and do well for the team, which is the most important thing. I wasn’t going there to do well for Robbie Keane, it’s about the team.

“I never had one bad word to say about anybody there, I didn’t have a problem with the manager, I never had a fallout with the manager . . . I was never late for training, I trained every day and I worked my socks off. It’s as simple as that. You’re probably as baffled as I am.”

Keane was asked directly whether Benitez had shown the guts to tell him that he was jettisoning him, even though he would not sign a replacement striker. “I said before that I didn’t speak to him,” Keane replied. “Get the train up to Liverpool and ask him.”

Keane has swapped a title challenge for a battle against relegation and, ironically, he could yet collect a Premier League winners’ medal and go down in the same season. Any medal which may yet wing its way down from Merseyside in May, however, would feel wholly unsatisfactory.

“It would not mean anything at all,” he said. “The way I look at it is . . . if I was there (at Liverpool) and in and out of squads, it probably wouldn’t mean as much to me because as a player you want to be a part of it. When you are left out, sometimes you don’t feel a part of it.”

Keane is cup-tied in the League Cup, courtesy of a three-minute cameo as a substitute against Crewe Alexandra in round three and, consequently, he will miss Tottenham’s showdown with Manchester United in the final on March 1st. But he added: “It would mean more to me if Spurs won the Carling Cup (than if Liverpool won the league), even though I won’t be playing at Wembley. I am a Spurs player now and Liverpool is gone, it’s in the past.”

It was clear that being dropped from those two match days squads, with the unproven youngster David Ngog being preferred on the bench against Everton, represented the breaking point for Keane. “I’ve never been left out of a squad, ever, in my career,” he said. “I think I’ve proven over the years that I’m quite capable of doing a job and scoring goals and no disrespect to anybody but if you look at my record compared to most of them, it’s probably a little bit better.”

Benitez has suggested that Keane was not up to the challenge of playing for a club of Liverpool’s prestige. “That’s up to Rafa to say that,” replied Keane, biting his lip hard. “I am not getting into a feud with anybody. I am too big for that. I have too much respect for people.”

Keane now simply wants to prosper under Harry Redknapp, and get back to being the player he was when he left White Hart Lane. “Harry has a record of having a great relationship with his players,” he said. “He speaks to the players and when he gets a player in, he certainly gives them an opportunity and that’s something I’m relishing.

“Obviously, I feel fresh and that’s a fact. You don’t become a bad player overnight and I believe I could have brought a lot to that (Liverpool) squad. But it was the manager’s choice. With a different manager, it probably would have worked.”



buy 20m,sell 15m..lost 5m in 6 monts...hope we win epl..if not..benitez really have to go..

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Before you guys pounce on Babel's sitter... don't forget also that a certain goalscoring legend called Thierry Henry also missed a couple of easy chances during his early days at Arsenal...
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Before you guys pounce on Henry's sitter, don't forget certain goalscorer called Mike Tee also missed a million of easy chances during his weekly futsal sessions.
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Tactical wise... I think it worked. We were always attacking. Creating chances. Which is good.

I support the rotation policy though. You don't want to tire out your key players and risk INJURIES. Drawing a game is FAR better than losing Torres for a few months. You also get to give your wonderkids a run, give them a taste of EPL football. The future is equally important.




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Yesterday result again show that, if Rafa is brave enough to attack attack, then Liverpool actually can score goal, which is lacking on various 0-0 matches.

Only went behind, the team shows urgency to attack and getting goal. While when the match is 0-0, Liverpool always play cautious approach.


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 8 2009, 04:20 PM)
Upon seeing our starting line-up, it took me some time to realise this wasn't a league cup game. So Portsmouth are struggling and have only won 2 games under Tony Adams but with the league as stake, Rafa once again left me wondering how we could afford to leave the likes of Riera, Kuyt, Alonso and Torres on the bench. We started with 6 defenders (Skrtel,Agger, Carra, Aurelio, Dossena and Arbeloa) so forgive me for thinking we were playing at the Bernabeu. Like some of you, I have to agree that Aurelio had an awesome game, definitely one of his best in a red shirt. Benayoun was a constant threat with his mazy runs. As for Babel and N'Gog, now you know why Rafa hasn't been playing them much. I responded to a poster yesterday that expressed surprise at Rafa's exclusion of the two but like I said, Babel lacks vision while N'Gog lacks just about everything but pace. Fairplay though that both are young and will improve.
Hmm, I beg to differ.His vision is making pass was worth mentioning.He made a couple of good passes last night.A decent 1st league start I would say.

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QUOTE(miketee @ Feb 8 2009, 05:02 PM)
Before you guys pounce on Babel's sitter... don't forget also that a certain goalscoring legend called Thierry Henry also missed a couple of easy chances during his early days at Arsenal...
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hey dude..dont even compare babel with henry..he is football genius..even torres dont come closer near henry reputation yet..better you compare babel with cisse,morientes,keane and others which also miss so many changes and now not wearing liverpool shirts..
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 8 2009, 05:34 PM)
Yesterday result again show that, if Rafa is brave enough to attack attack, then Liverpool actually can score goal, which is lacking on various 0-0 matches.

Only went behind, the team shows urgency to attack and getting goal. While when the match is 0-0, Liverpool always play cautious approach.
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It shows that we still need 1st team player to get goals. While fringe players like Babel and Ngog just wont get going, but I m fairly impressed by some of the nice passes ngog picked up for others.

Anyway, Agger always attack from the left side...Any chance of him replacing Dossena as LM? brows.gif


Dossena did quite ok last night...Hope he can do better
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Anyone also heard the Pompey fans were taunting Torres with his bounce songs? They were singing it without the lyrics like as though they were saying "what can Torres do?"

And when he assisted the 2nd goal, it was all quiet. Even quieter when he scored the winner.

Was at some mamak too, can sense Mancs cheering when Pompey scored. -.-
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 8 2009, 05:43 PM)
Hmm, I beg to differ.His vision is making pass was worth mentioning.He made a couple of good passes last night.A decent 1st league start I would say.
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My observations are based on all the time I've seen him play, not just this morning. In any case, I don't thin he's ready for first team action. Yes he's been great for the French U-21 side but so were Anthony La Tallec and Florent Sinama Pongolle.
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remember our home game this season against manu ? 2-1 come back with gerrard & torres on the bench hmm.gif

team A is what put out most of the day but team B is rafa secret little garage project with crazy stuff like 1-2-4-3 attacking wingback and free roll center back laugh.gif
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I thought Aurelio did pretty well last night. Though not to the standard of Alonso. But switching from a wide player to playmaker in the centre. I think he did well.
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Overall, I think we did quite well since the team is too much different from our usual team.The good thing is of course seeing even Skrtel and Agger ran all the way up to penalty box.Great match..Will certainly boost our team morale.
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remind me of giggsy but aurelio doesnt have much of a right foot. but if its a choice between aurelio and lucas in the middle i would go for fabio tongue.gif babel lucas ngog are just too young at their game and rafa isn't wenger blush.gif
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personally i feel babel had a pretty good game this morning, apart from that horrendous sitter. throughout the match he made himself available for the ball and tried to create opporturnities for both himself and others, i don't think it's fair to single him out for criticisms just because of one miss.

ngog doesn't look like he's in the game at all last night, all those horrible and lazy one-touch and poor control, i don't think he touched the ball more than 10 times during his time on the pitch. he did make some good moves, but he isn't bringing his teammates into the game when he has possession. either his headers go all directions, or his control results in the ball falling 10 yards away from his boot.

reina was unlucky to have to pick the ball out from the net twice, poor defending especially for the second pompey goal. but he also made quite a few good saves.

kuyt doesn't look tired at all when he came on, created one and scored one. some people complains that workrate is all he have, but last night his workrate won us the match.

spectacular performance from benayoun, although i would have to say mascherano marshalled the midfield quite impressively. if you ask me the only reason benayoun edge him for my choice for motm it's because benayoun's playing so much higher up the pitch and thus involved in more attacking plays.

and surprisingly, aurelio and dossena had quite great games playing together, i'm particularly stunned when aurelio was playing in the centre of the pitch, but he looked to be doing quite well spraying passes a la alonso.

and lastly, i think the 5-3-2 formation is quite pretty. i remember we played the same formation against newcastle last season and we totally outplayed them. enjoy all the sweet passing and pacy fullback runs.
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Paper Talk:

Liverpool are set to re-ignite their interest in Gareth Barry over the summer.

Rafa Benitez has made a dramatic Champions League U-turn and given Sami Hyypia a reprieve.


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http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/b...ctid10417316001
we have five players joining up with the spanish squad.. torres reira alonso abeloan reina. damn doh.gif
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QUOTE(Halfhearted04 @ Feb 8 2009, 07:26 PM)
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/b...ctid10417316001
we have five players joining up with the spanish squad.. torres reira alonso abeloan reina. damn doh.gif
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out of the 5, only 1 will make into 1st 11.The other 4 should be on the bench I guess....

Anyway, take a good read on this.Get it from Arsenal thread.you will be surprised that player asked referee to give him cards on pitch just to get holiday for christmas... doh.gif

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Just metres away, colleagues Howard Webb and Mike Dean were singing Liverpool anthem You’ll Never Walk Alone, unaware Bennett was letting slip the shameful secrets that will rock football.


Webb... brows.gif
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Referee To Be Blamed?

who is to be blamed on this issue?

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AURELIO HAILS WINNING MENTALITY

Fabio Aurelio hailed Liverpool's character and fighting spirit after the Reds returned to the top of the Barclays Premier League with a 3-2 win at Portsmouth on Saturday.
Fernando Torres' injury time winner gave Rafael Benitez's side the vital three points, and the Brazilian admitted there was a great feeling in the dressing room after the game.

"It was really important to win and we kept going right until the end," Aurelio told Liverpoolfc.tv.

"The manager made a lot of changes to the team because we had a lot of players who were tired after the FA Cup game against Everton, so everybody tried to do their best.

"We had difficulties during the game but we twice came back and we have to be really pleased with the win.

"I thought we controlled the first half but in the second half it was like the beginning of the season when we were behind and then kept coming back.

"To win a game like this will help us for the rest of the season to keep fighting right until the end.

"It was really important three points, because we have two weeks now before our next game. We have a winning mentality and it gives us a lot of confidence.

"We will keep fighting hard and keep the pressure on Manchester United."

On his superb free-kick Aurelio said: "Portsmouth had every player right in front of the goal but all I tried to do was kick the ball as hard as I could and find a space - fortunately for me the ball went into the net.

"It was a good feeling and I was pleased with the goal because it helped the team go on and get a good result."

The Reds number 12 started the match in central midfield and ended the game at left back, something which he admitted took some getting used to at first.

"It's not my natural position but I did play some games there for Rafa at Valencia," he said.

"I haven't played in the centre of midfield for quite a while and the manager told me on Saturday morning I would be playing there.

"It's always difficult when you haven't played in a position like that for some time but I tried to do the best I could, and I am happy because I could help the team get a great result."

Reflecting on El Nino's last-gasp winner, Aurelio said: "It was an unbelievable goal and a wonderful header from Fernando.

"It was a good cross from Yossi Benayoun with his left foot for the winning goal. We were joking with Yossi in the dressing room about him using his left foot. We were happy he did."
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NGOG: I'M LEARNING FROM FERNANDO

French starlet David Ngog has revealed how much he is learning from watching Fernando Torres in action.
Ngog made his first Premier League start for the Reds in the 3-2 win over Portsmouth at Fratton Park on Saturday before making way for Dirk Kuyt on 55 minutes.

El Nino was introduced to the action in place of Ryan Babel shortly after that and went on to score a last-minute header for Liverpool to snatch the three points.

Ngog admitted that at 19 years old he still has much to learn, but the former Paris St Germain forward is in no doubt he can pick up invaluable pointers from Liverpool's number nine as he looks to forge his own formidable reputation at the club.

"I have spent a lot of time watching Fernando Torres in training and in the games he has played," Ngog told 'LFC Magazine'.

"He is a great striker - he moves well, he finds space where other players would struggle, and more than anything else, he works hard for the team. I am learning a lot from him.

"Some strikers play for themselves first, they only react when the ball comes to them. I don't want to be one of those players, so I have been watching what Fernando does very closely.

"Not just Torres, but Dirk Kuyt and Steven Gerrard too - you can learn a lot from players like them. Any young player would be delighted to have these players to look up to, and I am very fortunate to learn from them every day. I am picking up things from them all the time."

With Steven Gerrard out injured with a hamstring tear, Ngog believes he is ready to step in to the breach for Liverpool and take some of the pressure of his fellow strikers.

"I am excited to be here at Liverpool, and hopefully I can impress the manager in training every day and play some more games in the second half of the season," said Ngog, who scored his first goal for the Reds against PSV Eindhoven in December.

"It is my ambition to become a player that the team needs. I am a striker, I am supposed to score the goals - that doesn't change between France and England.

"It is said that England is the hardest league for a striker to play in, especially for a player who has come from another country, but I am confident and comfortable with the idea that I can do well here.

"Scoring goals is an instinct. But to make the most of this instinct you have to take up the best positions and you must be able to understand the way that the attack is going to unfold in order to be in the right place at the right time.

"I know I have teammates who will create chances. Not just half chances, but full chances where I must look to convert them when they come along. I like to think I am a player who you can rely on to score goals."

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i hate babel.. i hate babel... he is more like Cisse & Hadji Diouf...
Sell him back to Holland... what a waste.. yukkkssss...


Added on February 8, 2009, 9:39 pmHope liverpool can bring D.Villa to Anfield la. Really hope that la..
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i hate babel.. i hate babel... he is more like Cisse & Hadji Diouf...
Sell him back to Holland... what a waste.. yukkkssss...
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Anyway... He's still young... I believe if you played football you will understand the problem with inconsistencies is that you never meant be that bad. You know you have the potential to be a great player, but luck just isn't there with you. Give the kid 1 more season...
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tat wil be big news if d.villa joining us....our atk wil be erm....at least increase 30%...^^
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but by bringing D.villa here, will rafa play 4-4-2?
will he drop torres for villa? or he use villa as 2nd striker?
can he fit?
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If liverpool bought david villa - wow i could only dream of that happening.
I'm sure he'd relish the chance to play beside his spanish counterpart torres, together they'd score 50 a season between them !
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Buying Villa = throwing money away.

Is already well known fact that Torres has quiet games each and every time he plays beside Villa.

No point when we have Torres playing great now.
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Buying Villa = throwing money away.

Is already well known fact that Torres has quiet games each and every time he plays beside Villa.

No point when we have Torres playing great now.
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We need another player with Gerrard's abilities. One striker in opposition's box is crowded enough already. Why want to make the traffic worse? laugh.gif
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yup! agree...although in paper, it sound so good to add villa on our paper..
but i dont think it will be good..
i would go for getting someone like sol said..quality like gerrard!
kaka? Lol..(150m..doubt he will come)
atleast someone who is world class mid!
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Villa will be sold back to Valencia in 6 months time...
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I think torres would prefer having a striking partner, though he could handle playing up top alone.
Regardless of what anyone else thinks, i personally think that rafa should invest in a striker, come the next transfer window
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 8 2009, 10:44 PM)
Villa will be sold back to Valencia in 6 months time...
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ROFLMAO!!!You made my day!

Anyway, we do need another good cover for striker position.Other positions need to be improved include:

1.Right wing
2.Right left back(Degen= kewell wannabe)
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I think torres would prefer having a striking partner, though he could handle playing up top alone.
Regardless of what anyone else thinks, i personally think that rafa should invest in a striker, come the next transfer window
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I think Rafa is trying to make the whole team play 'total football' rather than leave the goalscoring to strikers, playmaking to midfields etc etc. You can see even defenders are going up the pitch looking to head one in. Everyone in the team defends, everyone in the team attacks too. So I guess Torres already have his striker partnerS... Which is his team, starting with Gerrard who understands his movements oh so well rclxms.gif
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Seriously, i have never once saw Degen play...is he like invisible or something?? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 8 2009, 10:48 PM)
Seriously, i have never once saw Degen play...is he like invisible or something??  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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he did play before...for carling cup if i m not mistaken.
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Keane refuses to take Benitez bait

Robbie Keane says he has got more "pride and dignity" than to get into a slanging match regarding Rafa Benitez's treatment of him at Liverpool.

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The Republic of Ireland striker admits he found being left out of the Liverpool squad "difficult to take" - but is refusing to respond to Benitez's claim that he was unable to cope with the pressure of being an Anfield player.

Keane - preparing for the first match of his second stint at Tottenham, against north London rivals Arsenal today - told BBC Radio 5 Live's Sportsweek: "I'm one of those respectful persons - and I'm not getting into a slagging match.

"I've got more pride and dignity. I'll let people say what they want. I don't have to prove myself to anyone."

Keane returned to Tottenham on the final day of the transfer window following six unhappy months on Merseyside.

"The most disappointing thing was getting left out of squad (at Liverpool)," he said.

"I found it difficult to take, because it's the first time it's happened.

"Since I've been playing from the age of 17, I've never been left out for that reason.

"But that's gone now. The good thing is I'm at a fantastic club with a fantastic manager who respects his players - if you are doing well he tells you. That's something I'm looking forward to."

Keane, who scored just five goals in 19 Premier League appearances for the Reds before rejoining Spurs, added: "I believe things happen for a reason.

"Things didn't work out. But I'm a Tottenham player now - and I'm looking forward to the challenge of keeping them in the Premiership.

"At the end of the day, I love playing football. I'm not one of these players who are happy to pick up the wages and sit in the stand."

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i do think babel is good players..but being to many time in the bench has interupt the players progress..remember 1st season he come to liverpool..he look like i star in making..but benitez not play him enough and now he is not even our supersub anymore..he need to play coz he still young and has a good potential..if not..y van basten compare him to henry when he is at ajax..need to play him..and 1 more thing.he is out and out striker..not a left winger...

hope manu will lost tonight!!! blush.gif

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Reds have spirit to win title - Carra

Jamie Carragher reckons Liverpool's comeback at Portsmouth is all the proof the Premier League needs that the Reds are fighting for the title.

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Rafa Benitez's squad has been stretched to the limit, and the fitness of Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres appears the key to their challenge to Manchester United - but spirit has never been in question.

With a reputation for spectacular comebacks after their famous 2005 Champions League win in Istanbul, they needed Torres to climb off the bench to secure a 3-2 victory over Portsmouth on Saturday - after going into the final five minutes at Fratton Park 2-1 behind.

"There are a few times that we've come back - so that tells you about the spirit of the team," said centre-back Carragher.

Benitez is short on numbers after offloading Robbie Keane to Tottenham, illustrated by how he expects youngster Krisztian Nemeth to return from a loan spell at Blackpool to play his part in the run-in.

At least the Liverpool manager is seeing the qualities needed to maintain pace with United.

"It is 'desire'," said the Spaniard. "The team showed 'character', and the mentality is very good. The confidence is high - and for the rest of the season that is very important."

Victory at Pompey divided opinion on Benitez - is he a genius or just lucky? laugh.gif

Torres, Dirk Kuyt and Xabi Alonso were on the bench - and defeat looked likely until they were introduced, with David Nugent and Hermann Hreidarsson giving the hosts leads between Fabio Aurelio's strike.

Torres then set up Kuyt for another equaliser, before the Spain striker sealed the points with a powerful header in stoppage-time.

Carragher said: "It's always a gamble when your big names are on the bench.

"But we had extra-time against Everton in the week, so it wasn't about big names but fresh players. They came off the bench to make a difference - and that's what they did."

Dutchman Kuyt added: "It's the choice of the boss. Of course, as a player you always want to play. But it is the manager's choice - and he was right."

Kuyt led the praise for Torres, who will now travel to Spain for his country's friendly against England on Wednesday in Seville.

It was Torres who scored twice against Chelsea a week ago to snatch another victory.

"He was very important against Chelsea, very important against Portsmouth - and I'm sure he'll be very important for the rest of the season," said Kuyt.

Carragher, standing in for Gerrard as captain, added: "In the last two games, he's earned us four points in massive games."

Liverpool needed that touch of class, despite Benitez insisting: "You can see players like (Ryan) Babel, (David) Ngog, (Yossi) Benayoun playing really well, Aurelio as a midfielder - and there is (Daniel) Agger. We have quality."

The facts were that Benayoun and Babel missed open goals in each half, Ngog struggled on his league debut - and full-back Aurelio was playing in an unfamiliar role.

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Rafa is a mad genius!!! MAD!!!
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i dont rate rafa tactic at all...he is crazy man..we just got lucky..coz torres alwiz bring luck to our team...

for babel..he is a good players...is rafa fault not play him enough...even gerrard when too many time at the bench will lost his confident..i rate babel coz u can see wat he doing for us in his 1st season at liverpool..he needs to play..
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 8 2009, 11:37 PM)
Keane refuses to take Benitez bait
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i'm a fan and i love liverpool fc but i never really fond of our manager as a person.
he is a good manager a great tactician and he knows his tread well but i would rate sammy thomo houlier a better bloke then the spainian blush.gif
its just his way of approach things .. like his contract talk, transfers, treating player like hyypia benny alonso ..
its just so lali ga real madrid where you have your club president sporting director and the power struggle and you have to use the media to get the fans on your side blah blah blah ..
my club have changed blush.gif and it needs to or else we'll be swept a side..
you win some you lose some eh ?
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why all the babel hate. for someone that young to play is premier league is not easy. when he scores, he gets all the cheers and when he missed just that one tap yesterday, ppl are hating him. he didn't play badly at all against pompey. he switches position with ngog to try and find space. he ran everywhere and had a couple of good passes.

what i do agree with is that he's not getting enough field time with liverpool. on his "good" day, he'll be a constant menace on the wings just like when he played against man u. i thought at 10.5 mil, he's a bargain and certainly a keeper
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QUOTE(grammar @ Feb 9 2009, 01:55 AM)
why all the babel hate. for someone that young to play is premier league is not easy. when he scores, he gets all the cheers and when he missed just that one tap yesterday, ppl are hating him. he didn't play badly at all against pompey. he switches position with ngog to try and find space. he ran everywhere and had a couple of good passes.

what i do agree with is that he's not getting enough field time with liverpool. on his "good" day, he'll be a constant menace on the wings just like when he played against man u. i thought at 10.5 mil, he's a bargain and certainly a keeper
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Oh well come next game probably Mancs will see us off by 8 points.

What a uphill task. Bring them on.
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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Feb 9 2009, 12:12 AM)
i dont rate rafa tactic at all...he is crazy man..we just got lucky..coz torres alwiz bring luck to our team...

for babel..he is a good players...is rafa fault not play him enough...even gerrard when too many time at the bench will lost his confident..i rate babel coz u can see wat he doing for us in his 1st season at liverpool..he needs to play..
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Feb 9 2009, 01:58 AM)
Oh well come next game probably Mancs will see us off by 8 points.

What a uphill task. Bring them on.
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5 points ler... doh.gif
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Feb 9 2009, 01:58 AM)
Oh well come next game probably Mancs will see us off by 8 points.

What a uphill task. Bring them on.
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what's important now is, just focusing on the remaining games we have!
it's gonna be difficult for Liverpool..
as we have CL n BPL to focus now! every single game, is a turning point for us!
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Its rare to open up a paper, and see the BPL table and looking that we're still fighting for the title. If in other season, we would be fighting for 4th place right now.
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Lagi baik sembahyang hajat mintak tolong orang Palestine.  whistling.gif
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can be consider rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

CL match next or International break?
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can be consider  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

CL match next or International break?
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n then city n real madrid... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 9 2009, 01:57 AM)
I bet some of us here hate him not because he missed a sitter.Hate him because he is a selfish guy.
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Totally.

I don't mind him trying to beat a right-back or what because he has the burst of speed to run over them, but beating two people in one go? Come on.. and he does this all the time. I prefer Ngog to Babel. Ngog, even though he is not yet comfortable in his striker position, he PASSES.
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 8 2009, 06:43 PM)
personally i feel babel had a pretty good game this morning, apart from that horrendous sitter. throughout the match he made himself available for the ball and tried to create opporturnities for both himself and others, i don't think it's fair to single him out for criticisms just because of one miss.
Here's the problem I have with Babel. He holds up the ball really well, make no mistake about that. However by doing so it distruptes the momentum of the team. He may be playing to instruction but I feel that he is more concerned with beating defenders on his own rather than utilising teammates. To me he has the "Milan Baros syndrome" in that he keeps his head down and tries to do too much on his own. To be honest we were amazing against Portsmouth towards the end of the 2nd half. We were executing quick one two's to perfection. When a player keeps the ball too long, it disrupts the runs made by other players and everyone else ends up standing around waiting to see what he's going to do with the ball. He may have good individual skills but he needs to be more of a team player if you ask me.
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Well said Duke Red.

Now, i think Rafa should hand Benny a few starts. He's on fire at the moment, and the back-four system used in the Pompey match, impressed me alot. By doing that, Agger will get more first team appearances, and that would make me a happy person.

Babel... meh Rafa should have sold him instead of Robbie. Saw how he played against the Gunners'? Causing problems for the back four all the time.
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 9 2009, 12:37 PM)
Well said Duke Red.

Now, i think Rafa should hand Benny a few starts. He's on fire at the moment, and the back-four system used in the Pompey match, impressed me alot. By doing that, Agger will get more first team appearances, and that would make me a happy person.

Babel... meh Rafa should have sold him instead of Robbie. Saw how he played against the Gunners'? Causing problems for the back four all the time.
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QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Feb 9 2009, 12:53 PM)
yeah..no goals..but he played very well.....credits to him....
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MU is really good on grinding out 1-0 result. How many they had 1-0 match lately, reckon not less than 5 in a row.

Just wish Liverpool has those kind of result, instead of always give heart attack game to the fans by winning 3-2 after trailing behind, not less than 2-3 occassion this reason that Liverpool won it late and by trailing.

If not trailing behind then 0-0.

So which one fans should be choosing? biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 9 2009, 02:15 PM)
MU is really good on grinding out 1-0 result. How many they had 1-0 match lately, reckon not less than 5 in a row.

Just wish Liverpool has those kind of result, instead of always give heart attack game to the fans by winning 3-2 after trailing behind, not less than 2-3 occassion this reason that Liverpool won it late and by trailing.

If not trailing behind then 0-0.

So which one fans should be choosing?  biggrin.gif
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Like I said before, if opponent score 1st, mostly we will come out winning. brows.gif

If we score 1st, we will lose/draw...Look at the game against Spurs, Kuyt scored 1st then we lose tongue.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 9 2009, 02:19 PM)
Like I said before, if opponent score 1st, mostly we will come out winning. brows.gif

If we score 1st, we will lose/draw...Look at the game against Spurs, Kuyt scored 1st then we lose  tongue.gif

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kudos to that. sometimes i even wish the other team would score first so liverpool will attack more. i was actually ecstatic when hull scroed first on their last encounter. i even though that liverpool are going to give the the beating of their life. unfortunately, hull doubled their lead. by then i was content with a draw and true enuf, that's what we got-_-
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 9 2009, 02:19 PM)
Like I said before, if opponent score 1st, mostly we will come out winning. brows.gif

If we score 1st, we will lose/draw...Look at the game against Spurs, Kuyt scored 1st then we lose  tongue.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 9 2009, 02:19 PM)
Like I said before, if opponent score 1st, mostly we will come out winning. brows.gif

If we score 1st, we will lose/draw...Look at the game against Spurs, Kuyt scored 1st then we lose  tongue.gif

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QUOTE(zyphron @ Feb 9 2009, 03:12 PM)
doin from behind?  blush.gif  blush.gif
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Lol Liverpool like doggy style  laugh.gif
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the people in ur siggy TOTALLY SUCKS!!!
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off topic:

the people in ur siggy TOTALLY SUCKS!!!
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the people in ur siggy TOTALLY SUCKS!!!
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Watch a game with score 1-0 den bak to slp? No feel at all leh
I rather watch a 3-2 game which will have so many nice moments to rmb.
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QUOTE(linuxskate @ Feb 9 2009, 03:37 PM)
who are they? never give a damn. lol
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They were in the papers for a number of days just last week.
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QUOTE(gry @ Feb 9 2009, 05:35 AM)
really happy when torres scored the winning goal against pompeu because at first when look at the line-up, really thought liverpool cant win that game. Only Your TEAM can deny Masturbate United to win the title. Hope Liverpool can do that.
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Here's the problem I have with Babel. He holds up the ball really well, make no mistake about that. However by doing so it distruptes the momentum of the team. He may be playing to instruction but I feel that he is more concerned with beating defenders on his own rather than utilising teammates. To me he has the "Milan Baros syndrome" in that he keeps his head down and tries to do too much on his own. To be honest we were amazing against Portsmouth towards the end of the 2nd half. We were executing quick one two's to perfection. When a player keeps the ball too long, it disrupts the runs made by other players and everyone else ends up standing around waiting to see what he's going to do with the ball. He may have good individual skills but he needs to be more of a team player if you ask me.
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Absolutely agree with you on this. Each time he gets the ball he will inevitably decide to take on all the defenders that come at him and similarly lose the ball each time as well.

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So, its International break eyh... haaa...hoping torres wont come back with some hamstring prob again. International means more sleep 4 me.
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QUOTE(yfchin2 @ Feb 9 2009, 12:53 PM)
yeah..no goals..but he played very well.....credits to him....
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Voronin open to Liverpool return

Hertha Berlin striker Andriy Voronin has hinted that he would be interested in returning to Premier League title hopefuls Liverpool.

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Voronin joined the Bundesliga side on a one-year loan last summer after struggling to make an impact at Anfield.

The Reds, though, have since sold Robbie Keane back to Tottenham, and questions marks remain over the depth of their strikeforce.

Voronin insists he is happy to remain at the Olympiastadion but intimated at an interest in returning to the Premier League.

He told Bild: "There have been no talks between me, my agent and (Hertha general manager) Dieter Hoeness, yet.

"We want to have talks with Berlin quickly. I know my agent has been talking to Liverpool recently.

"I still have a contract at Anfield. They've just sold Robbie Keane. Up until he joined last summer, I was getting games for Liverpool.

"They have a shortage of strikers now. I would enjoy staying at Hertha. And even if I am not to stay on, I will give my very best until the very end."

Source: TeamTalk

If we really short of strikers with Ngog and babel still playing championship football, we might as well call him back... wink.gif

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Like I said before, if opponent score 1st, mostly we will come out winning. brows.gif

If we score 1st, we will lose/draw...Look at the game against Spurs, Kuyt scored 1st then we lose  tongue.gif

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maybe RB like it that way

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 9 2009, 06:13 PM)
It seems like everyone forget him  laugh.gif

Voronin open to Liverpool return

Hertha Berlin striker Andriy Voronin has hinted that he would be interested in returning to Premier League title hopefuls Liverpool.

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Voronin joined the Bundesliga side on a one-year loan last summer after struggling to make an impact at Anfield.

The Reds, though, have since sold Robbie Keane back to Tottenham, and questions marks remain over the depth of their strikeforce.

Voronin insists he is happy to remain at the Olympiastadion but intimated at an interest in returning to the Premier League.

He told Bild: "There have been no talks between me, my agent and (Hertha general manager) Dieter Hoeness, yet.

"We want to have talks with Berlin quickly. I know my agent has been talking to Liverpool recently.

"I still have a contract at Anfield. They've just sold Robbie Keane. Up until he joined last summer, I was getting games for Liverpool.

"They have a shortage of strikers now. I would enjoy staying at Hertha. And even if I am not to stay on, I will give my very best until the very end."

Source: TeamTalk

how is his performance over there?
If we really short of strikers with Ngog and babel still playing championship football, we might as well call him back... wink.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 9 2009, 06:13 PM)
It seems like everyone forget him  laugh.gif

Voronin open to Liverpool return

Hertha Berlin striker Andriy Voronin has hinted that he would be interested in returning to Premier League title hopefuls Liverpool.

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Voronin joined the Bundesliga side on a one-year loan last summer after struggling to make an impact at Anfield.

The Reds, though, have since sold Robbie Keane back to Tottenham, and questions marks remain over the depth of their strikeforce.

Voronin insists he is happy to remain at the Olympiastadion but intimated at an interest in returning to the Premier League.

He told Bild: "There have been no talks between me, my agent and (Hertha general manager) Dieter Hoeness, yet.

"We want to have talks with Berlin quickly. I know my agent has been talking to Liverpool recently.

"I still have a contract at Anfield. They've just sold Robbie Keane. Up until he joined last summer, I was getting games for Liverpool.

"They have a shortage of strikers now. I would enjoy staying at Hertha. And even if I am not to stay on, I will give my very best until the very end."

Source: TeamTalk

If we really short of strikers with Ngog and babel still playing championship football, we might as well call him back... wink.gif
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ngog / el zhar / pacheco / babel...
i believe that we have quality players to challenge for titles
its just how rafa play them and his tactics that's need to be improved..
somehow what i see now is Rafa is still experimenting with Liverpool fc..try and testing and he is near to his final product..but just not there yet

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final product? define 1. maybe unbeatable/ invicible arsenal few years back got 1. or current barca team? but for liverpool.. final product seems to be so far away yet... no world cluss flankers...
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Actually i really think Voronin was one of the best buys we had during last season(?).
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we got it for free bro.
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i'll say no to voronin. inconsistent in the league and fails to deliver. :/
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He deserves a chance, no? Last season was his 1st season in premier league.How many player can play well in BPL in their 1st season? Torres was an exceptional case because there are a lot of Spaniards helping him out.Voronin, on the other hand, doesnt have anyone from his own country to help him out.

I rate him quite highly back then.He got physical presence like Heskey and his workrate was quite remarkable last season. I still remember seeing him running from the front to the back and made a sliding tackle at our own penalty box to prevent the opponent from crossing.Sometimes, I really think that he is yet another Emile Heskey.

He might not have the pace of Babel, finishing of Torres but he has arguably the strongest left leg compared to Kuyt and Torres.Last season, there was a goal of him was scoring out of penalty box using his left leg.Like Heskey, he was not much worth marking for the opponents' defenders which might do wonders if defenders keep marking Torres.He can easily find out space and scores.

Some of you were mentioning about Babel, Ngog, Nemeth and Pacheco? Which one of them are EPL Proven?No doubt all of them have quality to become quality players in future but with us trailing behind manu in such a tight title race, I wouldnt want us risking it by putting in some inexperienced youth players like Nemeth and Pacheco. I rather start with someone experienced like Voronin. wink.gif

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If because of inconsistent that we refuse to use Voronin, we might as well sell Babel, Benayoun, Mascherano , Dossena, Ngog away.This season, Babel was so inconsistent.Besides his winning goal against manu, I cant remember anything else he contributed to the team.Too much of selfish display and I really start hating him to be honest.Benayoun is another player that inconsistent.Before his good performances recently, he was having quite a number of bad games.And I swear I remember some of you here were scolding him back then.So, what happen now? He is easily one of the best player on field for the last couple of games.Like most of us here mentioned, Mascherano did not play good football like last season.So, should we sell him out as well?But from what I know, he admitted he was not on his best,came back and played decent football recently.

Why is that Voronin inconsistent and we cant give him a chance?How is he going to be consistent with Rafa keep rotating him?Plus, It was his 1st season.How many of good players nowadays shine in their 1st season?Ronaldo took few seasons before becoming what he is today.Deco is suffering now.And Flamini too took 4 season before becoming a good player.No doubt Voronin doesnt have that much time to prove himself but he deserves a second chance.Back to the summer friendlies, he was our top scorer with 3 goals.I m not saying that he will DEFINITELY come good but with us lack of strikers , why not calling him back? If he cant do it, sell him in the summer.The likes of Ngog and Babel just wont work and score and I rather hav Voronin back.At least he can work out some spaces for Torres and going back to defend like he did. wink.gif


Just my 2cents

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He deserves a chance, no? Last season was his 1st season in premier league.How many player can play well in BPL in their 1st season? Torres was an exceptional case because there are a lot of Spaniards helping him out.Voronin, on the other hand, doesnt have anyone from his own country to help him out.

I rate him quite highly back then.He got physical presence like Heskey and his workrate was quite remarkable last season. I still remember seeing him running from the front to the back and made a sliding tackle at our own penalty box to prevent the opponent from crossing.Sometimes, I really think that he is yet another Emile Heskey.

He might not have the pace of Babel, finishing of Torres but he has arguably the strongest left leg compared to Kuyt and Torres.Last season, there was a goal of him was scoring out of penalty box using his left leg.Like Heskey, he was not much worth marking for the opponents' defenders which might do wonders if defenders keep marking Torres.He can easily find out space and scores.

Some of you were mentioning about Babel, Ngog, Nemeth and Pacheco? Which one of them are EPL Proven?No doubt all of them have quality to become quality players in future but with us trailing behind manu in such a tight title race, I wouldnt want us risking it by putting in some inexperienced youth players like Nemeth and Pacheco. I rather start with someone experienced like Voronin. wink.gif
If because of inconsistent that we refuse to use Voronin, we might as well sell Babel, Benayoun, Mascherano , Dossena, Ngog away.This season, Babel was so inconsistent.Besides his winning goal against manu, I cant remember anything else he contributed to the team.Too much of selfish display and I really start hating him to be honest.Benayoun is another player that inconsistent.Before his good performances recently, he was having quite a number of bad games.And I swear I remember some of you here were scolding him back then.So, what happen now? He is easily one of the best player on field for the last couple of games.Like most of us here mentioned, Mascherano did not play good football like last season.So, should we sell him out as well?But from what I know, he admitted he was not on his best,came back and played decent football recently.

Why is that Voronin inconsistent and we cant give him a chance?How is he going to be consistent with Rafa keep rotating him?Plus, It was his 1st season.How many of good players nowadays shine in their 1st season?Ronaldo took few seasons before becoming what he is today.Deco is suffering now.And Flamini too took 4 season before becoming a good player.No doubt Voronin doesnt have that much time to prove himself but he deserves a second chance.Back to the summer friendlies, he was our top scorer with 3 goals.I m not saying that he will DEFINITELY come good but with us lack of strikers , why not calling him back? If he cant do it, sell him in the summer.The likes of Ngog and Babel just wont work and score and I rather hav Voronin back.At least he can work out some spaces for Torres and going back to defend like he did. wink.gif
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yes.. i concur with solstice818.. i'll say yes for voronin..
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Voronin reveals Liverpool call

Loaned out Liverpool striker Andriy Voronin has revealed his agent has been contacted about the possibility of an Anfield recall.

The Ukrainian was farmed out due to Robbie Keane's arrival but with him now back at Spurs, Reds boss Rafa Benitez has been left short in attack.

Voronin said: "I know my agent has been talking to Liverpool recently.

"There have been no talks between me, my agent and Dieter Hoeness, yet. We want to have talks with Berlin quickly.

"I still have a contract at Anfield. They've just sold Robbie Keane. Up until he joined last summer, I was getting games for Liverpool.

"They have a shortage of strikers now. I would enjoy staying at Hertha. And even if I am not to stay on, I will give my very best until the very end."

Source: Kop Talk
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means that his loan contract has recall option is it?
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just after selling off keane, benitez was quoted as saying 'we have enough attacking options'.
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I have said before that Voronin was easily Ukraine's best player at the last World Cup. He plays best behind the front man who was at the time, Schevchenko. The problem I see with him returning is that he won't often have a front man to play off with Rafa's preference to play a lone striker. If he does get the nod to play, Voronin will likely be thrust out wide left or right. It isn't a matter of whether or not he's a good player, it's a matter of whether or not he'll fit into the team.
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It seems like our last 2 victory through last minutes goals killed both club's manager career at their respective clubs.Adam get sacked.Scolari get sacked too. shocking.gif

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i watched 1 match of veronin play at german league, he's everywhere in that game, and he seems quite dangerous and delivery several critical passes, but too bad the recipient couldn't convert it to goal

however, base on his pre-season games, he's doing all right, i guess it is the rotation system killed him
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It seems like our last 2 victory through last minutes goals killed both club's manager career at their respective clubs.Adam get sacked.Scolari get sacked too. shocking.gif
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Here's a nice article about title-winning teams, and what it takes to be one.
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Here's a nice article about title-winning teams, and what it takes to be one.
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i remember reading a similar article a few months ago.
plagiarism happening or reprint perhaps? no idea since i dont remember the first author.

anyway, what the author/s dont seem to mention is our 2001 season where we finished 2nd to arsenal and how it doesnt fit into their trend.


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Man Utd could go 5 points clear if we fail to beat Man City.. plus they have a game in hand ,which is pretty worrying..

I'm hoping for a perfect result on 22nd and Utd to lose at Fulham and Rovers, or a draw both games..until the day we meet them at Old Tra(pp)ord!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 9 2009, 09:41 PM)
He deserves a chance, no? Last season was his 1st season in premier league.How many player can play well in BPL in their 1st season? Torres was an exceptional case because there are a lot of Spaniards helping him out.Voronin, on the other hand, doesnt have anyone from his own country to help him out.

I rate him quite highly back then.He got physical presence like Heskey and his workrate was quite remarkable last season. I still remember seeing him running from the front to the back and made a sliding tackle at our own penalty box to prevent the opponent from crossing.Sometimes, I really think that he is yet another Emile Heskey.

He might not have the pace of Babel, finishing of Torres but he has arguably the strongest left leg compared to Kuyt and Torres.Last season, there was a goal of him was scoring out of penalty box using his left leg.Like Heskey, he was not much worth marking for the opponents' defenders which might do wonders if defenders keep marking Torres.He can easily find out space and scores.

Some of you were mentioning about Babel, Ngog, Nemeth and Pacheco? Which one of them are EPL Proven?No doubt all of them have quality to become quality players in future but with us trailing behind manu in such a tight title race, I wouldnt want us risking it by putting in some inexperienced youth players like Nemeth and Pacheco. I rather start with someone experienced like Voronin. wink.gif
If because of inconsistent that we refuse to use Voronin, we might as well sell Babel, Benayoun, Mascherano , Dossena, Ngog away.This season, Babel was so inconsistent.Besides his winning goal against manu, I cant remember anything else he contributed to the team.Too much of selfish display and I really start hating him to be honest.Benayoun is another player that inconsistent.Before his good performances recently, he was having quite a number of bad games.And I swear I remember some of you here were scolding him back then.So, what happen now? He is easily one of the best player on field for the last couple of games.Like most of us here mentioned, Mascherano did not play good football like last season.So, should we sell him out as well?But from what I know, he admitted he was not on his best,came back and played decent football recently.

Why is that Voronin inconsistent and we cant give him a chance?How is he going to be consistent with Rafa keep rotating him?Plus, It was his 1st season.How many of good players nowadays shine in their 1st season?Ronaldo took few seasons before becoming what he is today.Deco is suffering now.And Flamini too took 4 season before becoming a good player.No doubt Voronin doesnt have that much time to prove himself but he deserves a second chance.Back to the summer friendlies, he was our top scorer with 3 goals.I m not saying that he will DEFINITELY come good but with us lack of strikers , why not calling him back? If he cant do it, sell him in the summer.The likes of Ngog and Babel just wont work and score and I rather hav Voronin back.At least he can work out some spaces for Torres and going back to defend like he did. wink.gif
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Man Utd could go 5 points clear if we fail to beat Man City.. plus they have a game in hand ,which is pretty worrying..

I'm hoping for a perfect result on 22nd and Utd to lose at Fulham and Rovers, or  a draw both games..until the day we meet them at Old Tra(pp)ord!
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well, woke up today and read the news that scolari got sacked after merely 7 months into his job as chelsea manager.

perhaps it's a good thing for the rival clubs, without a manager right when we're about to begin the UCL knock-out stage, and with the team on the slide down the table.

it's still the most shocking thing, seeing aston villa steadily climb up the table to third place now, and dangerously close too in terms of points gathered. maybe gareth barry's failed transfer in the summer was a blessing in disguise (for himself, obviously).

would definitely like to see aston villa playing UCL football next season and see how do they fare. with the crop of english players in their squad, it's a very well-assembled team chasing right behind our back.
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 02:17 PM)
well, woke up today and read the news that scolari got sacked after merely 7 months into his job as chelsea manager.

perhaps it's a good thing for the rival clubs, without a manager right when we're about to begin the UCL knock-out stage, and with the team on the slide down the table.

it's still the most shocking thing, seeing aston villa steadily climb up the table to third place now, and dangerously close too in terms of points gathered. maybe gareth barry's failed transfer in the summer was a blessing in disguise (for himself, obviously).

would definitely like to see aston villa playing UCL football next season and see how do they fare. with the crop of english players in their squad, it's a very well-assembled team chasing right behind our back.
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Before we played Chelsea, a friend of mine had said to me, "Let's just lose to Chelsea and help them chase the mancs". Before anyone starts questioning his allegiance, this is someone who has been a fan for 30 years, chose to study law in Liverpool of all places just to be close to the team, has been to Anfield numerous times to watch games including standing at the Kop, and opened his own Liverpool pub in Pee Jay. It made sense to me as I personally would like to see anyone win the league rather than the mancs. I'm not sure how many can relate to this because I've come across posters who hate Chelsea more but if you consider how long we can been at war with the red half of Manchester, there is only one real foe especially when they are just 1 league championship away from equalling our record.

The rivalry between Liverpool and Man Utd runs long and deep, some say back to the days when both ports were competing for economic superiority. The thought of them winning anything at all sickens me, it really does. Some may say that the first salvo was fired by Fergie when he proclaimed he would knock us off our f-king perch but up until now all we've managed to do is to prove him right. Leading the league for a first time in a long time gave most of up some hope that we would finally shove those words down his throat but it would seem that status quo has resumed. Many mancs claim that our fans are arrogant and conceited but it wasn't our manager that first fired a salvo deep into our hearts. I am loinging for payback but it would seem that we are ill equipped to do so at the moment which is why the thought of Chelsea or Villa stringing together a sequence of victories doesn't exactly strike terror in me. However with Chelsea in indifferent form and Villa's ability to go the mile in doubt, it would seem that we are in need of divine intervention indeed.

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Before we played Chelsea, a friend of mine has said to me, "Let's just lose to Chelsea and help them chase the mancs". Before anyone starts questioning his allegiance, this is someone who has been a fan for 30 years, chose to study law in Liverpool of all places just to be close to the team, has been to Anfield numerous times to watch games including standing at the Kop, and opened his own Liverpool pub in Pee Jay. It made sense to me as I personally would like to see anyone win the league rather than the mancs. I'm not sure how many can relate to this because I've come across posters to hate Chelsea more but if you consider how long we can been at war with the red half of Manchester, there is only one real foe especially when they are just 1 league championship away from equalling our record.

The rivalry between Liverpool and Man Utd runs long and deep, some say back to the days when both ports were competing for economic superiority. The thought of them winning anything at all sickens me, it really does. Some may say that the first salvo was fired by Fergie when he proclaimed he would knock us off our f-king perch but up until now all we've managed to do is to prove him right. Leading the league for a first time in a long time gave most of up some hope that we would finally shove those words down his throat but it would seem that status quo has resumed. Many mancs claim that our fans are arrogant and conceited but it wasn't our manager that first fired a salvo deep into our hearts. I am loinging for payback but it would seem that we are ill equipped to do so at the moment which is why the thought of Chelsea or Villa stringing together a sequence of victories doesn't exactly strike terror in me. However with Chelsea in indifferent form and Villa's ability to go the mile in doubt, it would seem that we are in need of divine intervention indeed.
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nicely said.

i am not in denial that man utd will have to lose it for us to have chances of putting in a fair fight for the title this season. whille i'd prefer to see teams like chelsea, arsenal or even everton win the league rather than utd (provided that we're out of the running), i would love it even more if we're the one who's going to knock them off the top.

i understand the rivalry between the two clubs, and although i dislike man utd fans (not the team, really, just the fans), i think i'm not really an anti-man utd supporter like many others. if man utd play well and win, i'd have no problems congratulating them.

in a way to put it, i'm a liverpool supporter first, and football fan second. i am in no position to hate any clubs just because for the sake of hating (even man utd), despite how great the rivalry is.

in the end of the day, i only wish to see liverpool lifting the trophy, i do not intentionally hope a specific club to not win the trophy.


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QUOTE(leftist @ Feb 10 2009, 10:04 AM)
babel i can understand..but ngog???...he's only here not even a year and u already dismiss him...even rafa talk highly bout him in pompey game..i think he derserve another chance...and mind u he's only 19..plenty of time to develop
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What I was trying to say is, from the league table, is pretty obvious we are the only team able to stop the manu from getting the league title.Chelsea and Villa might be able to stop them but do remember Chelsea are managerless now and whether Villa will stay consistently for the rest of the season is remain unknown.In other words, the title race is tight and we cant afford any slip up.In order to play at the best level and stay consistent, the best way is to play with someone more experience.Look at the manu team, the grump manager still make use of Giggs, Neville and Scholes? Why?Is obvious that their youngsters like Nani and Anderson are still young, inexperienced and more prone to mistakes.Which is why I prefer Voronin over Ngog because Voronin like Duke said was easily the best player for Ukraine in World Cup.He has the quality to help the team and the experience needed to help us.And I repeat, I m not writing off Ngog but its pretty obvious he has messed up quite a few of chances because of his lack of experience.One positive to note from Pompey match, he did make some good passes but that's not enough to win us the match, no?

Again I repeat, Ngog will come good but not now.When Rafa subbed in Kuyt and took him off, the game changed.Kuyt set up Aurelio's goal and scored another.Why did the game change? Simple.Kuyt is experienced and he knows where to run, where to get the ball, when to shoot, when to head, where to head, where to shoot.Unlike Kuyt, Ngog tend to lose ball and headed wide when he was trying to head to ball to his teammate.So, it's pretty obvious Ngog is STILL NOT READY YET.

Another thing, Is already well known fact that Rafa backs every single shit of his players even when they were playing shitty football.Months ago, he backed Keane and sold him in January.Last season, he praised Pennant's attitude and said he got the quality to stay in the squad and now?He was loaned to pompey.Hence, whether rafa talk highly of Ngog or Babel is not really important. wink.gif




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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 03:18 PM)
i understand the rivalry between the two clubs, and although i dislike man utd fans (not the team, really, just the fans), i think i'm not really an anti-man utd supporter like many others. if man utd play well and win, i'd have no problems congratulating them.
Hahaha we're on the same boat! Man U have been playing some breathtaking football over the years, and as a fan of the game you can help but admire what they've managed to accomplish both on and off the field.
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That bad meh for Scolari? How come so fast got sacked....while wenger job is still very safe....i wonder when will the board lose patient on wenger...and of course i do not hope that day will come cause wenger is the best IMO....only the players got to be blamed..... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(miketee @ Feb 10 2009, 03:28 PM)
Hahaha we're on the same boat! Man U have been playing some breathtaking football over the years, and as a fan of the game you can help but admire what they've managed to accomplish both on and off the field.
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yes, i'd admit too that man utd have been playing good football in the past decade or so, and i've no complains that players like beckham, giggs, scholes and the neville brothers have tonnes of winner's medals in their cabinets.

football has always brought me joy irregardless the teams playing. the only difference is that liverpool is my allegiance. i've encountered certain types of football fans (i don't have to mention specifically who) who is a lot happier watching rival clubs do bad rather than watching their 'supported club' win. baffles me.

not my problem though.
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QUOTE(paulhon @ Feb 10 2009, 03:49 PM)
That bad meh for Scolari? How come so fast got sacked....while wenger job is still very safe....i wonder when will the board lose patient on wenger...and of course i do not hope that day will come cause wenger is the best IMO....only the players got to be blamed..... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 03:18 PM)
i am not in denial that man utd will have to lose it for us to have chances of putting in a fair fight for the title this season. whille i'd prefer to see teams like chelsea, arsenal or even everton win the league rather than utd (provided that we're out of the running), i would love it even more if we're the one who's going to knock them off the top.


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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 03:18 PM)
i understand the rivalry between the two clubs, and although i dislike man utd fans (not the team, really, just the fans), i think i'm not really an anti-man utd supporter like many others. if man utd play well and win, i'd have no problems congratulating them.


The weird thing is that I've on more than a couple of occasions, been neutral on their thread but have been accused of being 'fake', albeit by some and not all of their posters. I find it laughable that some have so much resentment in them that it's inconceivable a rival fan can have an unbiased opinion. In the end, I'd like to think that most human beings are logical thinkers and can at times, remove emotion from the equation when making decisions or sharing opinions. It has to be known that if I make a pro-Liverpool comment, it's not always because I'm blowing our own horn and vice versa. It may genuinely just be my opinion.

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Well that's the problem with these sort of useless arguments all over the Internet. Same as politics and religion - you don't have to be an expert to have an opinion - hence everybody has something to say and think that they are right!
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 10 2009, 04:17 PM)
The weird thing is that I've on more than a couple of occasions, been neutral on their thread but have been accused of being 'fake', albeit by some and not all of their posters. I find it laughable that some have so much resentment in them that it's inconceivable a rival fan can have an unbiased opinion. In the end, I'd like to think that most human beings are logical thinkers and can at times, remove emotion from the equation when making decisions or sharing opinions. It has to be known that if I make a pro-Liverpool comment, it's not always because I'm blowing our own horn and vice versa. It may genuinely just be my opinion.
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 03:51 PM)
i've encountered certain types of football fans (i don't have to mention specifically who) who is a lot happier watching rival clubs do bad rather than watching their 'supported club' win. baffles me.

not my problem though.
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like i mentioned, it's the type of football fans we're dealing with.

which is why i only post regularly in this thread. i read the other threads often too, and there are certain fans who can spend all day long dissing or making fun of other teams rather than discussing about their 'supported' club. and come out thumping their chest saying they're loyal XXX supporters, when they can't even tell their supported club's nickname.

but anyway, these kind of fans exist everywhere, even among us liverpool supporters. for example. i am a little disgusted when some posters here make fun of christiano ronaldo's accident a few weeks back. it's not something funny, it's a life we're talking about, not some toy.

i have no problems talking with sensible football fans of rival clubs, but forums are not places to meet up with these type of fans. more often than not you'll come across the less 'rational' ones. that's why i don't take the stuff in forums too seriously. sad but true.
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Some of you were mentioning about Babel, Ngog, Nemeth and Pacheco? Which one of them are EPL Proven?No doubt all of them have quality to become quality players in future but with us trailing behind manu in such a tight title race, I wouldnt want us risking it by putting in some inexperienced youth players like Nemeth and Pacheco. I rather start with someone experienced like Keane. wink.gif

If because of inconsistent that we refuse to use Keane, we might as well sell Babel, Benayoun, Mascherano , Dossena, Ngog away.This season, Babel was so inconsistent.Besides his winning goal against manu, I cant remember anything else he contributed to the team.Too much of selfish display and I really start hating him to be honest.Benayoun is another player that inconsistent.Before his good performances recently, he was having quite a number of bad games.And I swear I remember some of you here were scolding him back then.So, what happen now? He is easily one of the best player on field for the last couple of games.Like most of us here mentioned, Mascherano did not play good football like last season.So, should we sell him out as well?But from what I know, he admitted he was not on his best,came back and played decent football recently.

Why is that Keane inconsistent and we cant give him a chance?How is he going to be consistent with Rafa keep rotating him?Plus, It was his 1st season.How many of good players nowadays shine in their 1st season?Ronaldo took few seasons before becoming what he is today.Deco is suffering now.And Flamini too took 4 season before becoming a good player.No doubt Keane doesnt have that much time to prove himself but he deserves a second chance.... (some parts deleted)

The likes of Ngog and Babel just wont work and score and I rather hav Keane back.At least he can work out some spaces for Torres and going back to defend like he did. wink.gif
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QUOTE(x13u5t3r @ Feb 9 2009, 07:02 PM)
its better to use our youth and reserve players at times like this..

ngog / el zhar / pacheco / babel...
i believe that we have quality players to challenge for titles
its just how rafa play them and his tactics that's need to be improved..
somehow what i see now is Rafa is still experimenting with Liverpool fc..try and testing and he is near to his final product..but just not there yet
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final product? define 1. maybe unbeatable/ invicible arsenal few years back got 1. or current barca team? but for liverpool.. final product seems to be so far away yet... no world cluss flankers...
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let's not compare barca and unbeaten arsenal to our team..my main point was that Rafa is still experimenting..still playing try and error..but it is not as bad as before when he applied too much choppings and rotations (wether it's good or bad that time, its for another session of discussion)

and yes..i think he is near to his final product.."HIS" final product, not ours or any other manager's final product..he got the main positions and players almost done according to his own plan and he's thinking of improvements now instead of rebuilding..
it has been 5 years (more or less), rebuilding phase is already over..5 years is enough for a patience fan like i am..i never feel so damn bad if we didnt win any cup for the past 5 years coz Rafa and Liverpool association is expected to be a long term plan. but yeah we did have great memories while in the rebuilding phase which is soo sweet.

now, after 4.xx years...i expect any manager's final product of Liverpool should sustain top 2 EPL spots, at least last 8 of UCL place, FA cup final for EVERY single year.
and that time is now
and those players are here now
and the manager is still here now

wether u like the players or not, the likes of babel, ngog, dossena, skrtel, mascha, LUCAS, kuyt, benny are his players he chose to be here for his plan
in rafa we trust..for at least 5 years

but again..sometimes i see that Rafa is still experimenting stuffs..costing us a few good silverwares..and put ourself in a shaky place for EPL race
let's just see where we end up in May

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QUOTE(Fyrekat @ Feb 10 2009, 05:43 PM)
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He deserves a chance, no? Last season was his 1st season in premier league.How many player can play well in BPL in their 1st season? Torres was an exceptional case because there are a lot of Spaniards helping him out.Voronin, on the other hand, doesnt have anyone from his own country to help him out.

I rate him quite highly back then.He got physical presence like Heskey and his workrate was quite remarkable last season. I still remember seeing him running from the front to the back and made a sliding tackle at our own penalty box to prevent the opponent from crossing.Sometimes, I really think that he is yet another Emile Heskey.

He might not have the pace of Babel, finishing of Torres but he has arguably the strongest left leg compared to Kuyt and Torres.Last season, there was a goal of him was scoring out of penalty box using his left leg.Like Heskey, he was not much worth marking for the opponents' defenders which might do wonders if defenders keep marking Torres.He can easily find out space and scores.

Some of you were mentioning about Babel, Ngog, Nemeth and Pacheco? Which one of them are EPL Proven?No doubt all of them have quality to become quality players in future but with us trailing behind manu in such a tight title race, I wouldnt want us risking it by putting in some inexperienced youth players like Nemeth and Pacheco. I rather start with someone experienced like Voronin. wink.gif
If because of inconsistent that we refuse to use Voronin, we might as well sell Babel, Benayoun, Mascherano , Dossena, Ngog away.This season, Babel was so inconsistent.Besides his winning goal against manu, I cant remember anything else he contributed to the team.Too much of selfish display and I really start hating him to be honest.Benayoun is another player that inconsistent.Before his good performances recently, he was having quite a number of bad games.And I swear I remember some of you here were scolding him back then.So, what happen now? He is easily one of the best player on field for the last couple of games.Like most of us here mentioned, Mascherano did not play good football like last season.So, should we sell him out as well?But from what I know, he admitted he was not on his best,came back and played decent football recently.

Why is that Voronin inconsistent and we cant give him a chance?How is he going to be consistent with Rafa keep rotating him?Plus, It was his 1st season.How many of good players nowadays shine in their 1st season?Ronaldo took few seasons before becoming what he is today.Deco is suffering now.And Flamini too took 4 season before becoming a good player.No doubt Voronin doesnt have that much time to prove himself but he deserves a second chance.Back to the summer friendlies, he was our top scorer with 3 goals.I m not saying that he will DEFINITELY come good but with us lack of strikers , why not calling him back? If he cant do it, sell him in the summer.The likes of Ngog and Babel just wont work and score and I rather hav Voronin back.At least he can work out some spaces for Torres and going back to defend like he did. wink.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ Feb 10 2009, 10:04 AM)
babel i can understand..but ngog???...he's only here not even a year and u already dismiss him...even rafa talk highly bout him in pompey game..i think he derserve another chance...and mind u he's only 19..plenty of time to develop
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Very true.. Benitez's style of rotating has severely affected his gameplay. I'm not saying he sucks totally as a player, but his inability to play consistently and deliver what Benitez wants as so many factors have come to play. His given role, position and the given games to start/sub.
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Ngog is alright. He just need to build his confidence, and he might just turn into a good striker. I've given up on Babel though. He's been given not one chance, but many chances... yet, he still disappoints me. If he just learns to work with his teammates, he can be a really good player. Great pace, good dribbling ability... but meh, selfishness.
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for Babel's case..its in his blood..same blood in the vein of Robben, Sneijder, Van Persie

it is when a striker will never get the ball, explains why Nilsterooy is better playing at left back
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Feb 10 2009, 06:52 PM)
Ngog is alright. He just need to build his confidence, and he might just turn into a good striker. I've given up on Babel though. He's been given not one chance, but many chances... yet, he still disappoints me. If he just learns to work with his teammates, he can be a really good player. Great pace, good dribbling ability... but meh, selfishness.
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Sometimes, selfishness is needed for the young backup player like him. He need to show that he can score, or at least his shootings are on target. It's important to show the manager that he deserves to be in squad more often. Imagine you are in a tryout for some football club, you sure want to show that you can shoot and score (if you are a forward). Same case for Babel. But him as a more established player in the squad, he should not show selfishness than he need too. Sometimes it can be annoying especially when he tried to beat 3 defenders that surely he can't beat while there are other players that can help him and shoots randomly and off target.
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Well we can all speculate on why Rafa didn't think that Keane was right for the squad but none of us know how he performs during training sessions. Rafa was brave enough to sell players that won us the Champions League the very next season like Smicer, Baros, Cisse and Didi Hamann with none of them making the headlines after leaving so who knows? Let's just see if Keane starts firing on all cylinders for Spurs again before being too judgementel.

On the issue of players being selfish, yes you can be provided you are that good. There are 38 league games in a season and given how small the margin for error is, you just cannot afford to take too many risks and have young players try to do too much on their own. People may cite examples like Lionel Messi, C. Ronaldo, Kun Aguero or whoever but take into consideration that there are a whole host of other young players that turn out to be average and nothing more. If they don't cut it in training or for the reserves, chances are they won't againt higher quality opposition.
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i thought the reason benitez doesn't play babel much was because he lacked stamina. during last season, he was always subbed at the 60th minute even when he's playing a good game. then he seems to get lesser and lesser games

he's a natural striker though and putting him on the wing may not have shown his full potential. during the psv match he was superb playing along side robbie keane(it wasn't on astro, i watched it via streaming). i do agree with the part that rafa shouldn't risk young players playing crucial games. plus, looking at babel's playing style, it wouldn't go well with torres. i guess that's why he's stuck at the wings

and about him being selfish, i guess he rarely starts a match, and whenever he does, he has to show what he's got. the pressure might have made him selfish. what liverpool needs now is a supporting striker. gerrard have been feeding torres with the ball all this while. i guess keane doesn't fit well because he doesn't like the idea of being in a "supporting" role. still, he will be missed
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Here's my 2-cents on Babel's "selfish" play... he's playing to the boss's instructions to keep the ball and try to beat a man. Because the boy has a lot of pace and if gets pass just one defender, he'll have the space to put in a cross or launch a shot. Just that it hasn't worked out well so far!

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kickoff is scheduled at local time thu 12th feb 5am.
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Here's my 2-cents on Babel's "selfish" play... he's playing to the boss's instructions to keep the ball and try to beat a man. Because the boy has a lot of pace and if gets pass just one defender, he'll have the space to put in a cross or launch a shot. Just that it hasn't worked out well so far!
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I beg to differ.Firstly, none of us are sure whether he is playing under the boss' instruction to play selfishly and beat the defenders or he is acting on his own.To be honest, even in reality, not under the instruction of boss, Babel is a selfish guy.This can be seen when he himself asked his agent to talk to Ajax for a potential loan deal without informing Rafa 1st.Ajax then made a loan deal before Rafa rejected it.Did Rafa ask Babel to go for a loan deal? I guess not.Before that loan deal he asked for, he even moaned to the media repeatedly, trying to unsettle the team morale when we were top of the table.To put it in simple words, he is a selfish guy who put himself ahead of the club.

Is true that Babel has the quality to be a world class player.Unlike Lucas who is more prone to mistakes, Babel has the pace and skills to beat defenders.His raw pace caused the opponents' defensive line problems and might just work well for others to find spaces to score goals.Yet, his selfish play or your claim of him playing under boss' order see us losing possessions or have him shot the ball wide just because of his unwillingness to pass the ball to other teammates that have better position with NO defenders marking them.

Take an example.In the games against Pompey, he was surrounded by 3 defenders in the middle of the field, just outside penalty box.Aurelio was on the left with Kuyt on the right.Instead of passing the ball to him, he tried to beat 3 defenders at once without even considering to pass the ball to his teammates.It doesnt take a genius to understand that in such circumstances one should pass the ball to others instead of risking to lose the ball to opponents in a match that the team is trailing behind the opponents in scoreline.A victory of a game is much depends on the teamwork of the team.It's an 11 men game and not a one man show.You can have the best player in the world but you cant have him win the game on his own.Team work is the major part of winning the game.He is certainly not Maradona or Messi who can take on few defenders at once.Not all players are gifted.Nuff said.

If everyone just busy thinking of scoring goals themselves, there wont be a term call "assisting" now, no?I believe his selfish play begins when he found himself down the pecking order after Riera's superb start at Anfield.His hunger to prove he is worth of 1st team football, his hunger to show what he is capable of...The hunger is good for someone young like him but it's not necessary good for the football club itself.

And like you said, it hasnt been working out well so far.How long has he been playing like this? It had been few months, no?If it din work until now, I cant see it working in future.For a man that put his own future ahead of club, put his own performance ahead of team results, he doesnt deserve to even sit on the bench.

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now im wondering, with the board-room and Rafa's rage, will Rafa receive the axe as per Scolari and also Tony Adams? damn man, nothing is cetain in BPL...


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I agree with solstice in that I'd prefer a team player over an individual one any time of the day. Why is Dirk Kuyt and automatic choice with Rafa? Simply because he puts the team first. He works tirelessly to win the ball back the create opportunities for teammates. He also makes intelligent runs in behind defenders to pull them all over the place, creating space for teammates. I think that there are a good number of people who don't recognise this and therefore don't see what he brings to the team. Anyway not to digress. Babel still has someways to go in his career but he needs to start learning to use him teammates more much like Ronaldo has.
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even SAF was on d brink last few season. remmber they were suggesting to replace him?
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Fernando Torres has again pledged his long-term future to Liverpool following reports that Barcelona are weighing up a summer bid for his services.
Speaking ahead of Spain's friendly with England on Wednesday night, the Liverpool striker insists he is happy at Anfield and isn't considering a move away.

"I don't see myself playing for Real Madrid, or Barcelona or Chelsea or any other team," he said.

"I see myself playing for Liverpool. I have a long contract and that's that."

After netting late winners in each of Liverpool's last two league games against Chelsea and Portsmouth, El Nino is hopeful his injury problems are now a thing of the past.

"This year what I am more worried about are injuries," he added. "I have had many problems since last summer but I hope I will be okay now until the end of the season."

And Torres is keeping his fingers crossed that Reds skipper Steven Gerrard can make a speedy return to first team action after a hamstring problem.

"Hopefully Steven will be okay too," he said. "He's a special player and a vital part of our team and we need him fit again soon.

"I don't know how long it will take for his leg to heal, but we wish him the best and hope we can have him back as quick as possible.

"If it is in time for the Champions League game with Real Madrid even better."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...090210-1712.htm

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babel can come good, but he's always full of surprises. either he amazes you, or he disappoints you.

i admit that i'm occasionally frustrated with his non-existent contributions in a match (especially when he takes the wrong options when we're chasing the game), but his raw abilities can provide something different to the team.

of course, it's visible that he lacks the match experience and more often than not he chose the wrong option when given the ball, but he has also managed to surprise defenders and has shots packed with power, he can prove to be a threat.

as long as babel's not complaining about not having enough games, i'm not complaining having him in the squad.

i'd like to see him improve though, even with his raw talent he can terrorize defence, imagine him having the brains to utilize his abilities.
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The thing Babel has to realise is that it's almost impossible to penetrate a thick defensive wall on his own. If it's an open game or he's playing on the counter, he has the luxury of time and space where defenders have to track back to mark him. When playing against deep defences however, defenders are already on him and if he passes one, he immediately comes up against another one as they are stacked together. In these situations it's better he gets rids of the ball and uses his strenght and speed to beat defenders off the ball and get into open spaces.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 11 2009, 02:30 PM)
The thing Babel has to realise is that it's almost impossible to penetrate a thick defensive wall on his own. If it's an open game or he's playing on the counter, he has the luxury of time and space where defenders have to track back to mark him. When playing against deep defences however, defenders are already on him and if he passes one, he immediately comes up against another one as they are stacked together. In these situations it's better he gets rids of the ball and uses his strenght and speed to beat defenders off the ball and get into open spaces.
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which is the thing he needs to improve on.

he doesn't have the vision and composure (yet) to pick out the best option available when he has possession, and these are the reasons why many supporters are criticizing him.

but to be fair to him, he doesn't have the luxury like last saturday's match against portsmouth to start and get to have longer time on the pitch. most of his appearances this season are limited 10-15 minutes where we need goals, if he doesn't try to shine (and be selfish) in those minutes then he has no time to prove anything at all.

it was obvious that his playing attitude last saturday is a little bit better than when he comes on as a sub. yes, he still tends to dribble past the entire defence at times, but he also made several key passes and made some goal-scoring opporturnities too, which i am wondering why nobody pointed out.

at his age babel has the world on his feet, and i can understand why he thinks he can beat everyone on the pitch. it's his confidence which i am impressed with. how many young players are convinced that they can step into the first team and set the world alight? not a lot. remember youngsters like otsemobor, wright, welsh, potter, and even mellor? comes onto the pitch with their heads down everytime and not making any statement, and ended out being lower league regulars now. they don't strike fear in the opponents' eyes.

babel's brimming with confidence, if only he uses his head more often i believe he will come good in the near future.
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He is on loan at Pompey now.With him yet to sign a deal, I guess is pretty much confirm that he will leave us in summer. nod.gif
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He is on loan at Pompey now.With him yet to sign a deal, I guess is pretty much confirm that he will leave us in summer.  nod.gif
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TOMKINS: END THIS TORRES/GERRARD MYTH
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There are lies, damned lies and statistics. And there is the absolute guff spouted by pundits who wouldn't know a fact if it bit them in the part of their body they speak out of.


Of late, I've been wondering if Rafa Benítez is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Now I'm just starting to believe that's too mild a way to put it. I have never known a manager so unable to win even when he wins. One defeat in 33 ‘main competition' games, and still the flak flies.

And as I will prove, some of the criticism could not be more wayward.

If ever there was an almost perfect example of how he can't win, it came at Portsmouth, following the midweek Mersey marathon.

To put it in perspective, if Rafa had played a weakened team at Everton in the FA Cup, he'd have been lambasted for not taking the competition seriously (yawn), and for not understanding the local derby.

He went with a strong team, to try and win the game and keep the momentum going, not least because Mersey derbies have a habit of being blown out of proportion: lose, and it feels like the end of the world; win, and you can get a massive fillip.

But Lucas was sent off for two yellows, when only one was a foul. Steven Gerrard had already limped off injured at the start, and Liverpool were left to play extra-time with ten men and a clearly leggy Fernando Torres. So much then for fielding your best players to win the game early and then be able to rest them: the advice every man and his dog was giving Benítez in the past.

Already physically shattered, a deflected goal in the 119th minute was similarly tough on the psyche. It was a body blow to the, er, mind. So the received wisdom was no use whatsoever on Wednesday.

What it did do was leave a tired, dejected team shorn of its captain and with its best striker seeing the recent run of games take its toll, having returned from a long injury problem to be thrown into a busy schedule.

So what does a manager do in this situation? Play his best players, who were clearly tired (and two of whom – Torres and Alonso – weren't 100% fit), or use the squad and hope that a little less quality and/or experience is compensated for by far greater freshness, plus the hunger to impress?

After all, Gerrard had just succumbed to an injury from playing too much football; what if Torres followed suit?

With Spain unlikely to rest him on Wednesday, there was a chance that the Reds wouldn't even get to the upcoming vital weekend break (the one big bonus of going out of the FA Cup) with the striker's hamstrings intact. So Rafa wasn't resting him to keep him fresh for Spain; he was trying to avoid another lay-off.

Ultimately, extreme situations demand extreme measures.

I don't think the result made Rafa a genius, just as having drawn or lost would not have made him a chump. Had everyone been 100% fit and sharp, then it's a risky judgement call you can perhaps question. But they weren't. Clearly.

However, there was one very logical reason why, in the circumstances, it was a gamble worth taking. The Liverpool subs looked so sharp precisely because they were entering into a game with the opposition starting to tire, and in which those three Reds wouldn't need to rely on stamina – just a short burst of effort that didn't need to be sustained.

What Rafa did in the face of fatigue was pair Torres, Kuyt and Alonso up against an equally tired second-half Portsmouth side, when their quality could tell. Ideally the game would have been won by then, but if it wasn't, they were there to win it late on. After all, Alex Ferguson has done that countless times in the past, keeping his stars in reserve in case he needed them to come on and win the game.

Had that trio started the game, it could quite easily have been a case of them tiring before the south coast side. Who knows? It's certainly not unlikely after the midweek exertions, and a whopping 210 minutes of football since Pompey played last Saturday. Either way, it's an almost impossible situation for the team to play to the best of its ability.

Mixing metaphors somewhat, I just wish the baying hounds would cut Benítez at least a little slack. I honestly can't recall a top manager being criticised even half as much as the Spaniard – and this with trophies, constant Champions League qualification (and annual progress to at least the semi-finals, bar 2006), along with radical improvements in the league.

After Torres scored the winner on Saturday, one commentator said that Liverpool need to keep him fit and 'nurse him'; yet there was widespread condemnation before the game for not starting him. So you need to nurse players like Torres and Gerrard, just never rest (i.e. 'nurse') them. Oh, okay.

Then later that evening, it was said Liverpool would not have won fielding that side against better opposition.

Which was ludicrously bereft of logic because Liverpool were playing Portsmouth, and that's the only team the manager could pick a side to beat. Did Rafa select that same XI against Chelsea last week? No. Did Rafa have to pick a side on Saturday to beat Manchester United or Arsenal? Of course not. It was Portsmouth.

In the post-match TV analysis it was all about how Liverpool will get 'nowhere near' the title with this squad; having just gone top of the table with 13 games remaining (even if United were still favourites with two games in hand).

And there's me thinking the Reds had been challenging all season long, sometimes without Gerrard, often without Torres.

The same was said on TV on Sunday morning: journalists declaring Liverpool's squad as too weak to mount a title challenge –– whilst that very squad is clearly making a challenge. It's like three blind mice leading equally vision-impaired followers.

(Please, fellas, if you're reading, stick with it, but I've a lot to vent. The facts are on their way. Read them, and consider their implications.)

The result is the only justification of team selection, whether you get the winner in the first minute or the last.

I said last week, when Man United score late, it's the sign of a great side; when Liverpool do, it's luck. And yet even before Torres came on, Kuyt had put the Reds 2-1 up with a goal that was wrongly chalked off for offside, while Pompey's opener looked offside. And Liverpool are 'lucky'?!

Had that Kuyt goal stood, there's a fairly good chance Liverpool would have won without their two stellar names even featuring, and yet the Setanta pundits and Sky journos were adamant about how Liverpool are too reliant on Gerrard and Torres.

Again, I ask people to go check Manchester United's results without Ronaldo and Rooney. And again, I ask people to see how many games Liverpool have won without Torres and Gerrard this season.

If you can't check, let me do it for you: United lost five league games last season. Rooney missed four of them, Ronaldo missed three, and they did not play together in any of those defeats. Of these opponents, only Chelsea were a team in the top eight, so it's not skewed by difficult games.

In the 12 league matches Rooney did not start, United's accrued a 69-point average when extrapolated over 38 games, as opposed to the 87 they actually racked up. In the seven games Ronaldo did not start, the average would have made an even worse total: 65 points. Or the tally that saw Everton finish 5th.

Shockingly, in the four games in which neither started –– against Manchester City, Bolton, Sunderland and Spurs (again, no giants, but admittedly one derby) –– they dropped half of the available points: meaning an average of 57 if extrapolated over 38 games. Or equivalent to finishing 8th, like Portsmouth.

(Also, of the three league games Ronaldo missed at the start of this season, United dropped five points, which is the form of a mid-table side.)

Yes, United have other good players all over the pitch, but do these facts not suggest that they are overly reliant on their best two attacking players?

While United have coped well in the last few games without Rooney, without either him and/or Ronaldo on a regular basis, the form book suggests that they are not a title-winning side. Indeed, far from it.

(Of course, if United did not have these players on a very regular basis, or indeed at all, they'd try to buy similar replacements; just as Liverpool obviously would in the case of Torres and Gerrard.)

Now look at Liverpool without Torres and Gerrard this season.

Gerrard has failed to start four league games –– Villa, United, Fulham and Portsmouth. Two of those are clearly very tough fixtures, against top-three sides. Two were at home, two away. And yet Liverpool's record is won two, drawn two. Over 38 league games, that is worth an impressive 76 points.

Due to injury, Torres has failed to start no fewer than 15 league games. These resulted in ten wins, four draws and just one defeat. Over a 38 game season, that ratio would earn an incredible 86 points. That is a title-winning tally; last year United got 87, but needed only 86.

Perhaps due to Torres playing at least half a dozen games when lacking sharpness, Liverpool have actually fared better without him; with him starting, the Reds have won five and drawn five, which is 76 points in terms of form over 38 games. (Though he did win the weekend's game from the bench.)

It gets even more amazing. In each of the two league games Liverpool started without both Torres and Gerrard, the Reds won: against United and Pompey. It's only two games, of course, but it's a 100% record. Or 114 points over the course of a season! (Silly, I know, when based on such a small sample, but a 100% record is a 100% record.)

Yes, these are statistics – but then league tables are formed from similar statistics relating to win, lose or draw, which are the most important kind. And yes, United's figures are based on last season (when they won the title) and Liverpool's this season (as they challenge for it). Even so, it's valid.

But even I was shocked at how remarkably disparate the win/lose/draw statistics were. I'm no genius; I just sat down and bothered to check some team sheets and calculate some figures, rather than just make ignorant assumptions like the McPundits.

So why are Liverpool the team perceived to rely on just two players? Why does someone like Tim Sherwood say that United don't rely on their key men and Liverpool do?

Why isn't the truth –– that United cannot seem to cope very well without Ronaldo, and certainly not well at all without both him and Rooney –– more well known?

Why isn't Rafa praised for getting so many great results without his key men this season, rather than just constantly criticised?

Why isn't Ferguson accused of being lucky or relying on Rooney and Ronaldo to get him out of trouble?

I'll leave you (and anyone in the media who reads this) to draw your own conclusions. But based on these figures, if I were Alex Ferguson and United lost Rooney and Ronaldo to serious injury, I'd be very worried.

For details of how to purchase 'Dynasty: Fifty Years of Shankly's Liverpool', click here to visit Paul Tomkins' official website>>

The views expressed in this article are those of the author and are not necessarily shared by Liverpool FC or Liverpoolfc.tv.

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i personally think this is a good read

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Bridging the Gap with United - why Rafa has to be kept at all costs...
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Recent events at Stamford Bridge with the departure of Scolari should all too clearly sound alarm bells for any Liverpool fan.

Chelseas implosion this season and with Arsenal seemingly a shadow of their former selves, suddenly 2 of the barriers standing in the way of Uniteds total domination of the Premier League appear to have been removed.

It’s a worrying development both for Liverpool (who of course see United nearing there record of 18 league championships), and for the wider football world who certainly do not want to see an annual procession of United sewing up the title by Easter each year.

Whether you like Benitez or not (and I happen to), Liverpool now present the only serious obstacle to United going on to win the title this season. In all probability and on current form it is Uniteds to lose and if they do go on to lift the trophy in May, there we have it – 18 each. Unthinkable. It couldn’t get any worse.

Well it can. How about them going on to take 19, 20, 21 …..? It’s a distinct possibility if those in the anti Benitez camp do not start to understand what it will take to overhaul Uniteds dominance.
To understand why I say this you need to look back a few years.

The fact is that 2 teams have dominated the English League over the last 35 years – Liverpool and Man United. You can name other teams who have had moments of success e.g. Everton in the 80s, Arsenal and Chelsea more recently, but these are more exceptions than the norm.

If you study the pattern of domestic league titles since 1970 you cannot escape the fact that once a team becomes dominant they stay in that position until circumstances contrive to knock them off their perch. Once they are off it is incredibly difficult for them to climb back on. Success breeds success because the stronger the top team is the more the best players want to play there and the more successful the team becomes. The trend towards improvement continues like a machine for the top side while the others follow in their wake. Indeed in an era where money plays such a huge part in success, the effect of success in the present on future achievements is even more marked.

You see this with Liverpool during the mid - 1970s onwards. The great side with Keegan and Clemence merged seamlessly into the sides of the 1980s of Dalglish, Rush and Souness and later Nicol, Macmahon and Barnes. When Barnes and Beardsley came up for sale there was only one place for them to go – Liverpool, and from this the team reached new heights.

The side of 88-90 was the result of 2 decades of continuous improvement and continuity and financial success. Untouchable probably by any team in Europe at the time.
However, within 3 years Liverpool were also rans to Man United who still occupy their position of total domination today. There have been moments when they may have looked like being removed (Arsenal 2001-03, Chelsea 2004/6) but somehow they have survived and this is as much to do with circumstances as their own strength.

The situation facing the manager of Liverpool today is the same as that which faced Alex Fergsuson when he joined Man United in 1987.
Fergusons objective when he became manager at United was to remove Liverpool as top dog in the domestic league. To do this he needed to achieve 2 things:

Firstly, they needed to improve on an annual basis. This may seem obvious but this takes time. Time is a factor managers do not readily have in abundance so allowing for United to catch Liverpool by steady improvement alone was never going to happen.

Secondly, Liverpool needed to go into long term plateau or even decline. This, combined with Uniteds steady improvement, meant that potentially a large gap in quality between the 2 sides could be bridged in a sufficiently short time to keep Ferguson in a job.

If you study Liverpools decline in the early 90s and Man Uniteds current survival at the top of the domestic tree you can see how the timing of key moments can impact massively on the longer term success of the club.

Liverpools fall from dominance can be traced back to April 1989 and the disaster at Hillsborough. What occurred there had such an impact on the club, players and most of all the manager that the side was never the same again. Importantly the mental impact it had on Kenny Dalglish contributed heavily towards his inability to do his job. Key players who were ageing were not phased out and the team started to stagnate. The longer term impact of the pressure caused the resignation of Dalglish in 1991 and this left the club in a perilous position.

All this was occurring against a backdrop of the slow but steady rebuilding and improvement of Man United under Ferguson. It was not apparent at the time but the gap between Liverpool and United was getting smaller. The situation was not a crisis but the correct appointment had to be made to set the club back on course and begin the process of annual improvement once more.

As we know the wrong appointment was made and Souness lurched the club into a position that it has never properly recovered from.

So how is this relevant to Benitez and why do I feel that we have no option (like him or not) to back him?

Firstly, to stop United disappearing into the distance Liverpool need a manager who is going to assure continuous improvement. Contrary to the way the press present it, improvement does not necessarily mean spectacular challenges to the title each season. It means stability and continuity and building a squad year on year which is stronger each season both in quality and depth. It is the building of backroom staff and youth set up. (See Ferguson 87-92). All these ensure the gap between Liverpool and United is reducing slowly but surely.

Secondly, and probably the most crucial point is that United have a big problem in the next couple of years – the retirement of Ferguson. This will coincide with the disappearance of Giggs, Scholes and Neville who still form the bedrock of the squad even when they are not on the pitch. United must handle the replacement of the most successful manager since Paisley and 3 of the most experienced players ever to have played in English football. This represents a task possibly bigger than what Liverpool faced in 1991. Liverpool now are much closer to United than United were to Liverpool in 1991 so United have less room for manouvre.

As I pointed out earlier removing Liverpool from dominance in the early 90s was as much about circumstance as improvement of United. United had allowed themselves to be in the best possible position to take advantage of Liverpools decline. Had United sacked Ferguson back in 1990 (as would have happened had they not won the cup), it is highly likely that a new manager would have rebuilt the squad and team and thus would not have been strong enough to fill the void and who knows what would have happened?

My point is that like him or not, Benitez has us closer to United nearing a time they may well be at their most vulnerable. Changing him now can only weaken our position both short and long term.
If he goes we pass perhaps the only remaining opportunity in a generation to knock United off the perch.
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Came across a thoughtful and intelligent post on Rawk. A little long but totally worth the read.
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good article, and i agree wholeheartedly.

it's obvious there are many fans who are getting impatient with RB's tactics and substitutions, we've even heard fellow supporters calling for his head after some frustrating draws in certain periods throughout this season.

but i think the writer gets one point very clear, if we are to change RB, then we will continue to be a club in transition and we will have to be content to wait a couple of years before we think we can challenge for the title. if things don't go well, the manager's sacked again, a new one comes in, and another transition period. and on and on and on.

look at chelsea. mourinho brought them two consecutive titles but was sacked. from then on the managers were being replaced on per-season basis and look how did it affect the team.

as much as i want liverpool to win it now, i don't think it can be done by any manager if they are not given a considerable time frame. look at the youth and reserve squad. RB is making changes and building an entire LFC all over again. players are slowly being promoted and we have good youth players. look at insua and el zhar. RB has assembled a group of youngsters capable of breaking into the first team, and for all we know he may already have plans for the next 10 years.

if he were to be sacked and another manager comes in with different ideas, we'll see an exodus of players transferring in and out, and we will be stuck in the middle of nowhere again.

no manager can bring the title within a season or two (with the exception of mourinho, who inherited a great squad from ranieri btw).
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I think the fans who call for Benitez's head don't quite understand that the job of the manager isn't just the tactical bits on the pitch. It encompasses 5-10-20 year plans for the club across the whole structure, from youth development to backup squads to buying & selling players to commercialization and all. And like the article says, if the manager is removed, then all the plans will go to waste and the club will start all over again, from scratch!
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Paper Talk:

Liverpool are trying to sign Barcelona teenager Gerard Deulofeu.

Daniel Agger has raised fresh doubts about his Liverpool future, warning boss Rafa Benitez that if he does not play more, the situation will become untenable.






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has there been a recall of all liverpool adidas jerseys?
today i went royal sporting house and adidas, both did not have a single home / away / euro liverpool jersey at all.
i understand if home is sold out la, but euro kit?
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Best to ask at the jersey thread. I haven't heard anything about that.
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perhaps i can be included as one of those fans who are calling for Rafa's head. At least once in a while, when i am frustrated. LOL

I think Rafa is a good manager. But there are proven winners out there. And if their services are available, i dont think we should just ignore them and say `Rafa needs more time.

To me, his time is running out. He had his `i need to work with Houllier's players' for a few seasons, and got rid of most of them by now.

I think what happen this season will very much define his future. If Liverpool finishes a close 2nd behind MU and fought till the last few weeks for the title and actually progress far in the CL, Rafa may have actually bought himself more time. Anything lesser, i wont be surprised if we see a new man soon..
We can argue all day whether decisions on Keane, Kuyt, Agger, were right. The decision makers at Liverpool will also consider all these. They may not be so forgiving.

Of course, personally i would like to see Rafa succeed. He has done wonders for the club. But the question of whether he can manage a team to break MU's monopoly still remains to be answered

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Seriously I dont wan to sack rb at this time,totally agree on the artical above,we should show faith on rb as he is trying to change things around!
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no one is bigger then the club. but if ever we wish to win the PL we need to keep this S.o.bs hmm.gif
its all down to man management skill but this aspect of rafa game is ... sweat.gif at best
i hope we can get a good price for agger ..

@gidl . i was saying about how number 7 isnt a lucky number in our squad laugh.gif

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Sack rafa and bring Hiddink. laugh.gif personally i like hiddink also. tongue.gif
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Sack rafa and bring Hiddink. laugh.gif personally i like hiddink also. tongue.gif
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ya i personally like hiddink also...
chelsea will be improve after this i think...
but give rb chance to prove himself until the end of season...
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Agger issues ultimatum to Liverpool
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Whao.... this guy gonna pissed Mr Banitez and could end his Liverpool era sooner that he thought... What a bad timing to hit on to the manager.... Not a good sign sad.gif
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now agger?? doh.gif
he is very good defender we have...
hope rafa can do smething about this...
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This is timely fashion stuff expected. Agger has been isolated deeper into bench rather not on bench perhaps sometime, but he has the potential of being part of the team and in Rafa's title challenge plan.

To be honest , this is the year that all the Reds player had a good spell at Premiership top form and Parry will not even think anywhere near selling Agger off..

C'mon You Scousers..!!
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Remember the kavadi bearers that bore the emblem of Liverpool and ManU during Thaipusam? Apparently some parties are not too happy about it :-)

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...41661&sec=focus
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Oh damn... i just hope Agger stays. Excellent defender.
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He and Skrtle were meant to replace Hyppia (already) and Carra. Carra is almost a cult figure amongst the local Liverpool fans and is virtually an 'untouchable'. Although he's not as consistent as he was last season, he's still playing well.

Agger, on the other hand, has lost some of his defensive capabilities. Surely, he's too unrealistic or impatient. Well, this sort of thing boils down to management. This is actually a very critical aspect of football management i.e. motivating players, managing their expectations etc..

RB is good but is he good enough to lead Liverpool back to the glory days?!
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i don't know whether RB is the best candidate to bring us to the glory days but the only thing i'm certain is that chances of us winning the title this season (or the next few) is close to nil if we sack RB. we are, if people are unaware, still in the race for the league title this season.

agger is a good defender, yes, but so are carra, skrtel and hyypia. if we believe all the hypes and rumours written by the media, then we will be left with half the squad. this is not the first time agger has been reported to be 'unhappy', until the day liverpool sanction the transfer of agger to another club he's just another professional working in the first team.

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Call me mean if you want.No doubt that Agger has the quality to be better than Carra but at the moment, the Skrtel+Carra partnership is doing great and I see no point in changing that.There is one simple reason why Carra is undroppable.He is consistent and rarely put in a wrong foot.He might scored a couple of own goals these recent years but his performance at the back is one of the best, even better than Skrtel and Agger.If Agger is to leave because of lack of football, let him be.It will be a waste if he leaves us but at the same time, I prefer the best thing to happen for our club rather than playing them just for the sake of preventing them to leave.
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it's about the other red team, but this is a very good read (from soccernet too shocking.gif), the last few paragraphs are particularly poignant

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=61...england&cc=4716
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if rafa leaves, torres and alonso could leave also ...
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if rafa leaves, torres and alonso could leave also ...
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To keep the discussions moving, since it's a quiet FA Cup weekend for us and with a chronic lack in depth of a quality striker... what do you guys think of Santa Cruz? He's pretty much proven himself, and has even scored against us.


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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 13 2009, 08:21 PM)
Call me mean if you want.No doubt that Agger has the quality to be better than Carra but at the moment, the Skrtel+Carra partnership is doing great and I see no point in changing that.There is one simple reason why Carra is undroppable.He is consistent and rarely put in a wrong foot.He might scored a couple of own goals these recent years but his performance at the back is one of the best, even better than Skrtel and Agger.If Agger is to leave because of lack of football, let him be.It will be a waste if he leaves us but at the same time, I prefer the best thing to happen for our club rather than playing them just for the sake of preventing them to leave.
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I agree with you, except for the Agger part. He's an excellent defender, and it would be a pure waste if he left. Benitez should not sell him, and instead give him some starts at the leftback position which isn't really 'solid' yet. I agree with you on the Carra, Skrtel part though. If Benitez ever drops Carragher, i'll book a flight to Mersey Side, and i'll burn his house.
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QUOTE(miketee @ Feb 15 2009, 04:59 AM)
To keep the discussions moving, since it's a quiet FA Cup weekend for us and with a chronic lack in depth of a quality striker... what do you guys think of Santa Cruz? He's pretty much proven himself, and has even scored against us.
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Will big sam sell him with reasonable price? The last time Big sam slammed price tag on him was last month and it's around 20million pounds. He does have a couple of years in front of him but will him work well with Torres? I seriously doubt about that...

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carra has 2 or more 3 seasons left in liv before he past his prime age... agger is the perfect man to replace him... give him the contract !
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Is Gerrard still injured or what? We could really need his prowess and Torres to win against Real though......
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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Feb 15 2009, 10:08 PM)
Is Gerrard still injured or what? We could really need his prowess and Torres to win against Real though......
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Andriy Voronin fires Hertha Berlin to top of Bundesliga with win over Bayern Munich
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Should we call him back? brows.gif
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^no, heck no.
we sign him on bossman this the perfect time to sell and get 3-4mil quick smile.gif
voroni will never be any good to us or the system that rafa deploy
we don't need another jack of all trade workhorse


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^no, heck no.
we sign him on bossman this the perfect time to sell and get 3-4mil quick smile.gif
voroni will never be any good to us or the system that rafa deploy
we don't need another jack of all trade workhorse
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well, doubtful hertha will pay for voronin...even the loan deal was free.
they are just taking over his wages payment.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 16 2009, 01:03 AM)
Should we call him back? brows.gif
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Remembered during the Hertha vs Bayern match the commentator mentioned "Liverpool would want him back if he keeps scoring like this" something like that.
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Remembered during the Hertha vs Bayern match the commentator mentioned "Liverpool would want him back if he keeps scoring like this" something like that.
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the funny thing is...he wasnt scoring much until the keane controversy.
right now he only has 6 goals in 16 games...3 of them coming in the last 2 matches.
talk about a lazy ass tongue.gif

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I think Voro should be recalled if any of the current strikers get injured. Experience and maturity count for a lot when you get to the end stages of the Champion League. But then again, I havent seen Rafa stating Voro is an option. I believe he even mentioned the likes of Nemeth and Pacheco without a word mentioned about Voro.
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voronin only score 6 goals so far....
consider poor performance
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i do not mind having voronin back in the squad provided that he doesn't expect to be starting every match.

leagues all over europe are different and it's hard to judge how a player can perform in different leagues. voronin is one of the top ukrainian strikers and have done remarkably well in the german league for years, heck he even had a pretty darn good pre-season with us when he first joined us. but competitive games in the BPL are different from european games, and it was obvious that he suffered from culture shock last season and had very few games that are worth remembering.

hopefully it's a first-season syndrome and he will be better adapted to the BPL if he really comes back, it's better to have some experienced and old-heads in the squad if we are to continue challenging man utd up until the end of the season.
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I hope Man. City will go to Anfield with low morale after weekend's defeat to Portsmouth.. El Nino to score in 80-90 min. again... nod.gif

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i'd hope we kill the game early, no more late dramas for me. it's not good for the heart. wink.gif

man city has been blowing hot and cold this season, it's pretty hard to predict how they'll perform. we had a dangerous game in the 3-2 win earlier this season with one of their players sent off, but i'd say if robinho fails to run the show himself, man city will usually be a limping lot.

hope to have a positive result this coming match, and the return of insua. at least that's a pretty good news. smile.gif
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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Feb 16 2009, 01:20 PM)
I hope Man. City will go to Anfield with low morale after weekend's defeat to Portsmouth.. El Nino to score in 80-90 min. again... nod.gif

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i'd hope we kill the game early, no more late dramas for me. it's not good for the heart. wink.gif

hope to have a positive result this coming match, and the return of insua. at least that's a pretty good news. smile.gif
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Agree with you about killing the game early, especially with an erratic team like Man City.

Don't think Insua will start but he might be on the bench - yea, I also admire him as a better defensive option than Aurelio or Dossena. Well, at least Aurelio can also play in midfield!
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still the americans cannot figure out the contract issues with Rafa...reading the news below makes me wonder can we lift the trophy this year? lots of Rafa's staffs contracts are up until June only...


Added on February 16, 2009, 7:34 pmmissed out the news..here u are smile.gif

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4926854,00.html

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TORRES REVEALS SECRET TO HIS SUCCESS

Fernando Torres believes he may never have fulfilled his full potential if he had stayed in La Liga.
The Spain international has proved a revelation in the Premier League, doubling his goals ratio from his time at Atletico Madrid.

A nomination for the prestigious Ballon d'Or in December cemented his reputation as one of the world's top players.

Torres admits the improvement is in no small part down to the fact his game is more suited to English football than the Spanish league.

The 24-year-old told FourFourTwo magazine: "English football has been good to me because of its characteristics: it's fast, direct and there are very few stoppages, and that suits my game more than Spanish football. My natural qualities - the speed, the power - fit the Premier League.

"I play as a number nine up alongside the centre-backs. If I played there in Spain, maybe it wouldn't suit me: I would hardly see the ball, I would feel like I wasn't in the game. But it is so quick in England, you know you're always going to get the chance to run in behind the defenders.

"Liverpool's game is based on the team, on strategy; it's a very strong, well-organised team. Hitting other teams on the counter-attack with space in front of us suits me perfectly."

Torres also thanks boss Rafa Benitez for opening his eyes to the tactical nuances of being a centre-forward.

"Rafa was looking for a striker with my characteristics - someone quick who could surprise defenders and get behind them - but I had to learn too," he said.

"For a lot of coaches the tactical side of the game doesn't matter that much but for Rafa it is fundamental; he is conscious of the way we set up, the movement, the organisation.

"I've learnt a lot. It's been a real pleasure for me to work with Rafa. At Atletico I played more on instinct, doing my own thing; here I have to learn about movement and positioning, about the team.

"One of the main reasons I arrived at the club was the desire to compete with the best and show that I was good enough to play for the club.

"The fact that the other Spaniards were here was great. The captains have been good too - Jamie Carragher, Sami Hyypia and Steven Gerrard have helped me from day one. And having Rafa made it easier to grasp the tactical side of things."
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lalala...got more stickers from anfield...plus some other stuff tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 16 2009, 11:41 PM)
lalala...got more stickers from anfield...plus some other stuff tongue.gif
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Where you get this? drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif


Monstar get you eh? brows.gif
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monstar? i dun know him.
my friend's bro came back from uk yesterday, so i ordered and sent to his place tongue.gif

the reversible hat is pretty cool also.


Added on February 16, 2009, 11:49 pmnow im going to really screw adidas up.
i really think when i saw no liverpool jerseys in the stores here that time that they were recalled.
see my away jersey...notice how it doesnt stick properly to the dark gray squares.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 16 2009, 11:48 PM)
monstar? i dun know him.
my friend's bro came back from uk yesterday, so i ordered and sent to his place tongue.gif

the reversible hat is pretty cool also.


Added on February 16, 2009, 11:49 pmnow im going to really screw adidas up.
i really think when i saw no liverpool jerseys in the stores here that time that they were recalled.
see my away jersey...notice how it doesnt stick properly to the dark gray squares.
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They also didnt stick the R well eh? Look at the head of R
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its the general quality of adidas now, piece of crap.
last season's jersey also didnt fare too well, and im not the only one i know complaining.
and i dunno if u got this season's home jersey or not, but if u look at it properly the badge is pathetic.

its also no wonder even the malaysian team switched from adidas to nike...

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haha, i got those anfield stickers. My uncle bought for me when he was in Anfield. Its 2.55 pounds right each.
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haha, i got those anfield stickers. My uncle bought for me when he was in Anfield. Its 2.55 pounds right each.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 17 2009, 12:48 AM)
monstar? i dun know him.
my friend's bro came back from uk yesterday, so i ordered and sent to his place tongue.gif

the reversible hat is pretty cool also.


Added on February 16, 2009, 11:49 pmnow im going to really screw adidas up.
i really think when i saw no liverpool jerseys in the stores here that time that they were recalled.
see my away jersey...notice how it doesnt stick properly to the dark gray squares.
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my away jersey share exactly the same story as yours but for the Home and Euro kit doesnt share the same prob..
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my away jersey share exactly the same story as yours but for the Home and Euro kit doesnt share the same prob..
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come lets go gather more ppl with the same problem and all go adidas complain see if can get new jersey tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 17 2009, 01:56 AM)
come lets go gather more ppl with the same problem and all go adidas complain see if can get new jersey tongue.gif
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luckily my away jersey is a Keane 7..so i dun sayang anymore..hahaha  biggrin.gif
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Looks like the Ukrainian, currently hitting it big in Germany, may not come back to Anfield after all.

Voronin in talks over extending Hertha move
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QUOTE(miketee @ Feb 17 2009, 03:34 AM)
Looks like the Ukrainian, currently hitting it big in Germany, may not come back to Anfield after all.

Voronin in talks over extending Hertha move
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hope we can win with city this sunday...
coz i think chealsea n arsenal will be boost up...
chelsea with the magician hiddink n arsenal with magnificent comeback from eduardo plus arshavin...
we need to more winning game...
no draw plz liverpool...
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yeah...lets screw up city and give a boot to hughes!! torres is on fire, lets xabi command the midfield. hope kuyt can really really improve on his first touch...
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its only man city...we're at home...and they have one of the worst away records with only 1 win tongue.gif
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Don't ever say that. They might and just might make it 2. Or is it me who's superstitious!?

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no teams in BPL can be under rated nowadays...especially when we have jinxs playing home....
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i won't say we're really jinxed when playing at home. more like visiting teams tend to play more cautiously away and we aren't good enough to penetrate the defence of some of these teams.

in games like these we'll need the creative spark of players like benayoun, considering that gerrard is still nursing his injury i believe benayoun will be drafted into the side facing man city.

a sure starter would be riera, who has got the past 2 weeks off. hope he's good enough to last an entire match and contribute effectively. and expecting insua to be on the bench after what RB has said, he'll probably need some time to regain his fitness after playing as CB occasionally during his time with the argies.
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yeah..i like benayoun to start coz he likes to go into defenders, not like kuyt who prefers to do the otherway around. babel better stay on the bench and go in in the last 15 mins when city's defenders tired of their legs....

but true...other teams prefer for a draw playing at anfield...thats why games at anfield are rated boring and very predictable...but whatever it is, i still believe we can get the maximum point this weekend...boring or no boring, 3 points are what we need...

hope RB can break the anfield jinxs!!!
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Has anyone read this?? Basically about a manyoo fan own3d by two Liverpool fans.. Its hillarious.. hahahaaaa...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechn...-is-a-hoax.html

http://unprofessionalfoul.com/2009/02/lets...-out-there.html
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Offtopic...

Has anyone read this?? Basically about a manyoo fan own3d by two Liverpool fans.. Its hillarious.. hahahaaaa...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechn...-is-a-hoax.html

http://unprofessionalfoul.com/2009/02/lets...-out-there.html
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Lolololol Owned! Dirty manc, fully deserved that for putting a dildo in his mouth!
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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Feb 17 2009, 08:12 PM)
Offtopic...

Has anyone read this?? Basically about a manyoo fan own3d by two Liverpool fans.. Its hillarious.. hahahaaaa...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechn...-is-a-hoax.html

http://unprofessionalfoul.com/2009/02/lets...-out-there.html
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haha classic.
i wonder how many banners we will see come march 14 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Feb 17 2009, 08:12 PM)
Offtopic...

Has anyone read this?? Basically about a manyoo fan own3d by two Liverpool fans.. Its hillarious.. hahahaaaa...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechn...-is-a-hoax.html

http://unprofessionalfoul.com/2009/02/lets...-out-there.html
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thats cool..

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Hey, come to see of it, the article actually sided the Manyoo guys rather than the Liverpool side. Shit la. It shows how rude Liverpool fans are la. We shudn't be proud of it I shud say, :S
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now if the team looked like this...
http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/milky-angel/article?mid=4106

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wut do u think..if barca put a bid for torres and the bid accept by the club..and up to torres to say yes or no..what he will say?...
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wut do u think..if barca put a bid for torres and the bid accept by the club..and up to torres to say yes or no..what he will say?...
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he'd say nooo
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ya torres will say no.....
btw, valencia will be release villa for next transfer window bcause of their financial crisis...
n villa said 'i will be success in england' brows.gif
so mybe in liverpool???
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He will say yes..

"I supported Barca since i was a kid, it would be a dream for me to play there,"

"I would like to say thanks to rafa and gerrard for their support all this while, now im moving on to a bigger club with bigger players and playing in front of the best fans in the world. Nothing can compare to Nou Camp."
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his armband said he was a catalan Torres Torres
Més que un club it said Torres Torres

we robbed the lad from mersey land
he gets the ball he scores again

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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Feb 18 2009, 12:45 AM)
ya torres will say no.....
btw, valencia will be release villa for next transfer window bcause of their financial crisis...
n villa said 'i will be success in england' brows.gif
so mybe in liverpool???
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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Feb 18 2009, 12:45 AM)
ya torres will say no.....
btw, valencia will be release villa for next transfer window bcause of their financial crisis...
n villa said 'i will be success in england' brows.gif
so mybe in liverpool???
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He will say yes..

"I supported Barca since i was a kid, it would be a dream for me to play there,"

"I would like to say thanks to rafa and gerrard for their support all this while, now im moving on to a bigger club with bigger players and playing in front of the best fans in the world. Nothing can compare to Nou Camp."
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It ain't happenning either. Cos Torres will never contemplate playing for other side in Spain for his love for Athletico too deep smile.gif
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crap!! it wud be a nightmare seeing torres in barca shirt...and i dont think villa suit to play along torres. if barca want torres, wait until he is 30 and wearing liverpool number 9 no more....tehehehhe.....
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QUOTE(gibberish @ Feb 18 2009, 11:39 AM)
crap!! it wud be a nightmare seeing torres in barca shirt...and  i dont think villa suit to play along torres. if barca want torres, wait until he is 30 and wearing liverpool number 9 no more....tehehehhe.....
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Not suit? Then how about their partnership in Spain for say, 2-3 years? And it's successful too..
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they both are fantastic strike partners - no doubt
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Not suit? Then how about their partnership in Spain for say, 2-3 years? And it's successful too..
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both of their gameplay reflects a lone striker.....yeah true, they partnered for quite sometimes d but they are more effective when playing up alone...
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i hate the lone striker role, there is nobody to play off, and is very difficult to follow up with shots because the midfielders wont be near enough to.
prefer two strikers up top - i think its more effective.
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Has anyone seen this article yet? If not here you go.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle5703041.ece

I'm only listing players I've seen because I don't think youtube vids are a realiable source. Being a fan only in 1988, I didn't have the privilege of watching King Kenny play.

1) John Barnes - One of the reasons I started supporting the club. They talk about Beckham's right foot but if the old 1st Division were aired as widely and often as the EPL these days, people would be talking about Barnes' left foot!

2) Ian Rush - nuff said already. Best finisher we ever had bar none. Well my next pick comes close.

3) Robbie Fowler - What a sight it was to see both him and Rushie play. Could score with his back to goal and like Carra is red through and through. Anyone remember the four and even five finger salutes? He wasn't even playing for us at the time!

4) Jamie Carragher - consumate professional. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in heart, and you can't put a price on that. Avoids the limelight and leads an honest, simple life.

5) Steven Gerrard - Martin Tyler summed it up best when he said, "Steven Gerrard, one man task force".

Other worthy mentions...

1) Peter Beardsley
2) Sami Hyypia
3) Rob Jones - one wonders what might have been if injury had not cut his career short.
4) Ray Houghton
5) Alan Hansen


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Not suit? Then how about their partnership in Spain for say, 2-3 years? And it's successful too..
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they both are fantastic strike partners - no doubt
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Their partnership has not exactly setting the world alight. Successful? Maybe it's cos the team is successful that u said their partnership's a success. All in I would say their partnership as Spain twin strikers is not exactly lethal, bearing in mind their talent as individual.

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i hate the lone striker role, there is nobody to play off, and is very difficult to follow up with shots because the midfielders wont be near enough to.
prefer two strikers up top - i think its more effective.
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Somewhat agree with Vreis that the Torres and Villa partnership hasnt exactly set the world alight. Its understandable since they never played together in the same club and it will take some time for them to really click. They are exceptional talents but the combinations isnt anywhere as lethal as say Bebeto and Romario combo. But they are both prolific natural finishers and as individuals, having them both on the field is a nightmare to any defenses.
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Are you guys optimistic about the game against Man City? I feel bad because Alonso is out through suspension(5yellow cards) and Lucas is playing? doh.gif
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as long as robinho's not on fire i think man city wouldn't be lethal.

most of man city's matches this season have been revolving around the brazilian, if he doesn't play well the team usually pose no threat.

plus, man city are playing away, i expect mark hughes to concentrate more on not conceding rather than attacking full force, so even if robinho starts he's most probably going to be substituted for a defensive player. the only player i think can prevent a liverpool win is shay given. that man's a class act. always been a great admirer of his abilities, and hopefully he won't be standing in the way this weekend. wink.gif
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Dude if this really happens Liverpool fans all over can wipe the floor with their drool...
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 18 2009, 06:29 PM)
as long as robinho's not on fire i think man city wouldn't be lethal.

most of man city's matches this season have been revolving around the brazilian, if he doesn't play well the team usually pose no threat.

plus, man city are playing away, i expect mark hughes to concentrate more on not conceding rather than attacking full force, so even if robinho starts he's most probably going to be substituted for a defensive player. the only player i think can prevent a liverpool win is shay given. that man's a class act. always been a great admirer of his abilities, and hopefully he won't be standing in the way this weekend. wink.gif
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I m actually ok with Lucas as long as he dont make any dumb tackles.Over the period of time, he has improved greatly on passing but his tackles are just too awful.As for Alonso who will miss out due to suspension ,it is a good chance for him to rest for next week clash with Real Madrid.
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Are you guys optimistic about the game against Man City? I feel bad because Alonso is out through suspension(5yellow cards) and Lucas is playing? doh.gif
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how is alonso suspended? bpl site says he only has 4 yellows.
both gerrard and masch also have 4.
wonder if there will be a time when lucas controls the midfield by himself? that will be doomsday tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 18 2009, 06:45 PM)
how is alonso suspended? bpl site says he only has 4 yellows.
both gerrard and masch also have 4.
wonder if there will be a time when lucas controls the midfield by himself? that will be doomsday tongue.gif
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Heh? I did post one article from Liverpool Echo before and its written there Alonso will be out cos 5 yellow cards.Anyone can confirm this? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 18 2009, 07:01 PM)
Heh? I did post one article from Liverpool Echo before and its written there Alonso will be out cos 5 yellow cards.Anyone can confirm this?  shocking.gif
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Well people claim he is out in here.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=237554.0

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It seems like a lot of those in RAWK prefer aurelio over Lucas.Will Rafa play him at the center when Lucas is fit? I doubt.
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Feb 18 2009, 07:23 PM)
well i remember in one of the previous matches, the posters at rawk also claimed he was suspended...but nothing happened...some misguided souls there.

anyway, i checked...he only has 4 yellow cards from bpl games, and 2 yellows from fa cup.
his 5th overall yellow came against chelsea 2 weeks ago, but he was still playing in our LAST game against portsmouth where he was a sub...and he didnt get any yellows there...

those are facts tongue.gif

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Gerrard set for early Reds return

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard could make a surprise return from his hamstring injury against Manchester City on Sunday.

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The England midfielder suffered the tear in the Merseyside derby on February 4 and was initially expected to be out for three weeks - with the Champions League clash with Real Madrid thought to be his most likely target.

Now Reds manager Rafael Benitez, whose side rely on Gerrard's surging runs and goals from behind the striker, has opened the door for a potential return from the bench at the weekend.

The Spaniard said Gerrard had reacted well to treatment and was eager to get back on the pitch as soon as possible.

"He is improving. In these situations each day is important. He is working with the medical staff and is progressing.

"Normally he is a player who recovers quickly. He needs less time than other players," Benitez told the club's official website.

"I was surprised because the Spanish press said he'd play some minutes this weekend and then play against Real Madrid, but the truth is we don't know yet.

"Maybe he could be on the bench against City but we don't know.

"He wants to play every single game. He knows the game against City will be very important, and also the Real Madrid one too."


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No point risking him when we have another 12 games left....Play him in madrid. thumbup.gif

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Gerrard set for early Reds return

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard could make a expected return from his hamstring injury against Manchester City on Sunday.
edited for truth.
he just doesnt want to admit he doesnt like playing for england tongue.gif
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Paper Talk ( 18-2-09)

Liverpool could take up a £2million option to sign Espanyol's Oscar Sielva this summer. Been linked with a move to Liverpool FC after they apparently took an option on him as part of the transfer of Albert Riera.



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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 18 2009, 07:48 PM)
Paper Talk ( 18-2-09)

Liverpool could take up a £2million option to sign Espanyol's Oscar Sielva this summer. Been linked with a move to Liverpool FC after they apparently took an option on him as part of the transfer of Albert Riera.
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Feb 18 2009, 07:52 PM)
who is this guy? unsure.gif
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Óscar Sielva Moreno (born 6 August 1991 in Barcelona) is a Spanish footballer midfielder, Who plays for La Liga club RCD Espanyol. He made his top flight debut at the age of 17 and 24 days for Espanyol in late August during the season opener against Real Valladolid replacing Iván de la Peña in the closing stages of the second half. He is a regular for the Spanish U- 17 side, playing a vital role in their triumph during the 2008 UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship held in Turkey
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more rumors to undermine the team...

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 18 2009, 07:59 PM)
more rumors to undermine the team...
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Just in case you guys don't know about this.

This dude here play as DM/CM...I smell someone is leaving especially after Rafa publicly backs him(same when rafa backs Keane and sold him the month later).....The one using number 21 brows.gif
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Just in case you guys don't know about this.

This dude here play as DM/CM...I smell someone is leaving especially after Rafa publicly backs him(same when rafa backs Keane and sold him the month later).....The one using number 21  brows.gif
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yes, but when is the next transfer window? definitely way more than a month away.
until pen goes to paper, everything is still rumors.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 18 2009, 08:14 PM)
yes, but when is the next transfer window? definitely way more than a month away.
until pen goes to paper, everything is still rumors.
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Well, didnt everything start off from rumour?When Torres signed for us, rumour had it he wore the armband with YNWA.
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how is that a rumor when everyone saw his armband with YNWA?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 18 2009, 08:30 PM)
how is that a rumor when everyone saw his armband with YNWA?
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Anyway, anyone have the time of Man City kick off? gonna update on Thread title. nod.gif
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Liverpool vs Manchester City
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Sunday 22nd February 2009.
Live 2255 aka 11.55pm at Star Sports.
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Feb 18 2009, 08:57 PM)
Liverpool vs Manchester City
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Live 2255 aka 11.55pm at Star Sports.
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Solstice, my mistake. 2255 is 10.55pm not 11.55.. sorry for misguide. Please re-update the title.
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QUOTE(GulaV @ Feb 18 2009, 09:30 PM)
Solstice, my mistake. 2255 is 10.55pm not 11.55.. sorry for misguide. Please re-update the title.
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Updated.Thanks again.No problem. smile.gif

P.s: Hope to see Insua back in 1st team but the chances of it happen is really low. sad.gif
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What we can do now is to hope that ManC will get tired after tomorrow's UEFA Cup match against Copenhagen and get their key players injured, especially that 'wonder kiddo??!!' Robinho..

It's useless to predict who Rafa will put on the field this Sunday. He's damn unpredictable.. Just wait until the lineup list come out and we can start bashing him. And after the game, continue bashing or praise him, only this two option available.
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aurelio is better than insua in terms of crossing, and he is a specialist free kick and set piece taker too.
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aurelio is better than insua in terms of crossing, and he is a specialist free kick and set piece taker too.
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so we have dossena, aurelio n insua at left side...
n at the right side juz arbeloa??? (degen, carra???)
but we definitely will win at anfield this sunday...
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ya agree with u..
so we have dossena, aurelio n insua at left side...
n at the right side juz arbeloa??? (degen, carra???)
but we definitely will win at anfield this sunday...
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Gerrard actually isnt injured at all ?

http://www.koptalk.co.uk/liverpool-fc-news...ning-in-secretq
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lol...cos its club over country tongue.gif

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QUOTE(x13u5t3r @ Feb 19 2009, 12:17 AM)
Is already mentioned there that the tabloids are biased towards RM, no? Anyway, yea, we purposely took him off a derby game and went on losing the game and get knocked up.Brilliant made up story. doh.gif


P.s: I do ,however, believe that Gerrard purposely miss out the game of England.He just dont want to play against Torres laugh.gif tongue.gif

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fulham o fulham...can u guys hold mana for a draw and atleast score 1 goal n end Vds record =_=
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Hey guys, some of you guys may follow the Kop Blog, in my personal opinion one of the most informative, wittiest and funniest Liverpool blogs out there. Last year they won Best Football Blog by the Football Fanzine Awards. Let's put our vote for them this year's too! YNWA!

http://www.thisisanfield.com/kopblog/#235

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 19 2009, 12:25 AM)
Is already mentioned there that the tabloids are biased towards RM, no? Anyway, yea, we purposely took him off a derby game and went on losing the game and get knocked up.Brilliant made up story. doh.gif
P.s: I do ,however, believe that Gerrard purposely miss out the game of England.He just dont want to play against Torres  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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i know la u love your beloved no.21...but pretending he didnt have a hand in the derby loss? tongue.gif
anyway, ur beloved no.21 was literally the only one who didnt go on international duty...thats why gerrard got 'injured' so he could spend quality time with ur beloved no.21...

and anyway, it was the FA cup...its obvious we dont have enough depth to play in all competitions...

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ahh united won.
we cant afford to drop any more points
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 19 2009, 12:37 PM)
yes, noww we are officially 5 points behind united, GAME ON!!!
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I wonder why teams like Fulham or Stoke or Everton (no offense to the fans) played differently against Man U and Liverpool.

When thy're against Liverpool, they parked a bus in front of their goal (even at their home)

Last night against Man U, Fulham actually intended on attack even at Old Trffd (even before the 1st goal)

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Because they know we struggle against compact defences while the mancs are equipped to tear them apart, hence nothing to lose?
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i hope we kill the game in the 1st half .... i cant take anymore last minute come back....................
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LIVERPOOL will come to a standstill to mark the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster as bells peal 96 times across the city.

Chimes from both cathedrals and the city’s civic buildings could sound together for the first time since the end of World War II.

Liverpool cathedral’s Great George and the others sounding in unison will be heard for miles around.

At 3.06pm on the afternoon of Wednesday, April 15 people will be asked to observe a two-minute silence.

Liverpool FC is urging Europe’s football governing body to spare them a potential fixture clash with the 20th anniversary Hillsborough memorial.

If the Reds progress beyond their two-legged Champions League tie against Real Madrid they have asked to be excused from playing on the day.

The first leg could be scheduled 24 hours earlier, leaving the Liverpool players time to fly home to attend the memorial service at Anfield the following afternoon.

If Liverpool are playing at home on Tuesday, Anfield staff will work through the night to prepare the ground for one of the most symbolic Hillsborough anniversaries for years.

A Liverpool FC spokesman said: “We have written to Uefa and pointed out the significance of April 15 if we do get to the quarter final.

“We asked that we would wish not to play on that date and if April 14 would be considered.”

Uefa has replied, stating it “acknowledged the significance of the 20th anniversary and the request not to play on April 15”.

Other ideas for the anniversary remain under discussion.

But it seems certain Kenny Dalglish will perform the reading and Hillsborough Families Support Group (HFSG) president Trevor Hicks will deliver the address.

Dalglish was Reds manager at the time of the tragedy and attended many of the supporters’ funerals.

A number of prominent city church leaders, including Bishop James Jones, will lead the service at Anfield.

Discussions are under way about the possibility of presenting the families who lost loved ones their official Freedom of the City status.

Normally up to 5,000 people attend the anniversaries, but this year there could be as many as 15,000.

Ninety-six people died after Liverpool fans were crushed at the Sheffield stadium at the start of the FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest in 1989.

Lord mayor of Liverpool Cllr Steve Rotheram said: “The date for the Hillsborough 20th anniversary has been the most important in my diary throughout my 12 months in office.”
If we progress through to the Q-Final our game could be played a day early because of the Hillsborough anniversary. I hope UEFA would sanction this request as this incident have left a big mark on our club.
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Feb 19 2009, 12:37 PM)
yes, noww we are officially 5 points behind united, GAME ON!!!
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Did you forget we like to do things from behind? It feels better that way. brows.gif

And everytime we lead, we end up losing...I m more comfortable if we are trailing behind them for the next few games.. laugh.gif

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man u gonna lose this weekend and next....
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man u gonna lose this weekend and next....
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Crazy.... you sound like a noob in football.. if they DRAW this weekend at home which is quite imposisble.. i happy already.
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QUOTE(szeki @ Feb 19 2009, 06:12 PM)
Crazy.... you sound like a noob in football.. if they DRAW this weekend at home which is quite imposisble.. i happy already.
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I rather prefer we are at 2nd place for now as the pressure as the leader is tremendously big, which is proved quite unbearable by us. It's been so long before Liverpool can take challenge as champion contender while ManU was doing it every recent year. Just wait patiently, when the time comes, we will speed up, accelerate and overtake them just like they done it to Chelsea. If we can put constant pressure to them, in the end, they will lose concentration due to fear of losing. No need big club to kill them, just a lower club will surprise them more.

What we need to do now is concentrate on each game we have, by all means, win it. If we lose or draw even once, the title will be further away from us. They got quality, we got quality. I'd say we are even with them, but not better.

Van der Sar and his defense will have more and more pressure as the record is with them. Other teams should manipulate this and attack more as ManU defense can't manage to make any mistake, or should I say, afraid to make one, and this will make them more vulnerable.

I hope Rafa won't risk Gerrard for next match if he's still not fully 100% fit. We can't afford to lose him once again, especially at this critical stage of league and CL.

And I support Solstice on this, WE LIKE TO DO THINGS FROM BEHIND, don't we?
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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Feb 19 2009, 01:48 PM)
I wonder why teams like Fulham or Stoke or Everton (no offense to the fans) played differently against Man U and Liverpool.

When thy're against Liverpool, they parked a bus in front of their goal (even at their home)

Last night against Man U, Fulham actually intended on attack even at Old Trffd (even before the 1st goal)

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well, cant blame them for trying to play football
its always frustating to see opponent sit deep behind that's why u need to score as early as possible
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man u gonna lose this weekend and next....
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concentrate on your own team performance 1st lar.. other team performance not so important, ppl lose u also lose so what the different..
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stop pray m.u losing..better pray that liverpool win...if liverpool lost nex match or draw..and m.u keep their form..mayb wait nex season for liverpool...hope the will be magiacal player arrived at liverpool winger and full back nex season..
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XABI FRUSTRATED BY CITY BAN

Xabi Alonso admits he will cut a frustrated figure this weekend when he watches Liverpool's clash with Manchester City from the stands.
Having collected five yellow cards so far this term, the Reds' Spanish midfielder will serve a one-match ban for the visit of Mark Hughes' men, who themselves go into the game having won just once away from home this season.

With Manchester United hitting top form at the top of the table, Alonso insists three points are a necessity against City - and he's hoping for a far less dramatic game than the one played out between the two sides earlier in the campaign.

"It's always frustrating to watch games from the stands but I have known for a while I was likely to miss a match at some point and it has to be this one on Sunday," he told Liverpoolfc.tv.

"The important thing is all our international players came back fit and also had some time off. It's important to have some time to disconnect during the middle of the season and now we can look forward to the game with Manchester City, which is going to be very important for us if we want to challenge for the title.

"Hopefully it won't be as dramatic as our game at City when we were two goals down at half-time. We had to play with a lot of belief in that second half and score three goals, which eventually we managed. This time hopefully it will be more comfortable.

"They are a good team even though they haven't got the best of away records this season, so we know we will be in for a tough match."

Alonso's absence could be tempered by the possible return of Steven Gerrard from hamstring trouble, although the Liverpool skipper is expected to start the game from the substitutes' bench.

"It's good to see Stevie coming back but we have to wait until he is one hundred per cent," added Alonso.

"It's not intelligent to rush him back. Whenever he feels okay he will be a big part of our squad again."

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why dont they the team below dont play like they play for draw...1 point is better than none...
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hope lucas will do a good job..for sure he will be played i think....he need to increase his body weight.to small...wonder when watching him play woth liverpool..he is the same guy that win golden boot and best player of brazil league before come to liverpool..emmmmmm
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5 point different....
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A point for us to ponder. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(vreis @ Feb 20 2009, 09:56 AM)
A point for us to ponder. hmm.gif
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Is not like I want rafa to go but if he really does, I agree that Lee shouldnt take up the job.He is good as number 2 but he just couldnt manage the club as gaffer.Anyway, bringing in new manager might take 1-2 years before the team is stable and mount a serious title challenge...Not worth trying, better stick with rafa.

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QUOTE(vreis @ Feb 20 2009, 09:56 AM)
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i think MA and jose is the best for us if rafa to leave. i don mind if jose come over.
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i think MA and jose is the best for us if rafa to leave. i don mind if jose come over.
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Who the hell is MA? shocking.gif

Anyway, if there is anyone who can bring success in shorter time, that's JM.MON might be able to.Others, I dont think so.
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marco ancelotti ?
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QUOTE(hk_loo @ Feb 20 2009, 10:31 AM)
marco ancelotti ?
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For?His CL record?I prefer someone with experience of managing a EPL club... smile.gif
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I read somewhere last few days saying that Rafa will sign the extension of his contract and it serves a morale boost for the team before we travel to Bernabeau. This is all perfectly engineered.

No source. How i hope this will be the truth.

For MC match at home, don't be surprise if Stevie on the bench. There are few threats from the opponent's side, but anything less than 3 points will probably see us below MON's Aston Villa by Monday.
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Stuart Slann, a dedicated Manchester United fan, drove 500 miles for a steamy affair with a woman he met on Facebook only to find out that he was being duped into an elaborate hoax constructed by two Liverpool fans he had upset while vacationing months prior.

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lol don't mess with liverpool fan.
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ManC and Copenhagen draws last night. From the lineup, I can tell Hughes used his best squad. So I hope the fatigue will accumulate and affect them this weekend. No early sub for protecting players means they are not afraid of us! or Hughes is very confident with his lads' fitness.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 20 2009, 10:16 AM)
Who the hell is MA?  shocking.gif

Anyway, if there is anyone who can bring success in shorter time, that's JM.MON might be able to.Others, I dont think so.
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oops.. i spelled it wrongly, should be MO = Martin O'neill. aikz.. don know i spell correct or not. i wonder if rafa is leaving, jose will express his interest to manage us or not.
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manc were lucky to win.
the copenhagen keeper made an embarassing blunder, that would make david james proud, to concede their first goal.


and someone has to really convince dalglish to come out of retirement.
perhaps offer him a spot as consultant to sammy lee if rafa goes.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 20 2009, 12:13 PM)
manc were lucky to win.
the copenhagen keeper made an embarassing blunder, that would make david james proud, to concede their first goal.
and someone has to really convince dalglish to come out of retirement.
perhaps offer him a spot as consultant to sammy lee if rafa goes.
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He got an eye for talent.Anyway, he stopped managing club since 9 years ago.... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 20 2009, 10:10 AM)
Is not like I want rafa to go but if he really does, I agree that Lee shouldnt take up the job.He is good as number 2 but he just couldnt manage the club as gaffer.Anyway, bringing in new manager might take 1-2 years before the team is stable and mount a serious title challenge...Not worth trying, better stick with rafa.
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Somehow, maybe he's not meant to be no 1. These days it's difficult to find a no2 who do as well as no 1.

QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Feb 20 2009, 10:12 AM)
i think MA and jose is the best for us if rafa to leave. i don mind if jose come over.
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As much as i hate it, JM seems a much wiser options

QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 20 2009, 12:13 PM)
manc were lucky to win.
the copenhagen keeper made an embarassing blunder, that would make david james proud, to concede their first goal.
and someone has to really convince dalglish to come out of retirement.
perhaps offer him a spot as consultant to sammy lee if rafa goes.
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How i wish King Kenny would be back but its all wishful thinking
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King Kenny to manage Liverpool...that would be awesome....again...
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King Kenny to manage Liverpool...that would be awesome....again...
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I think its nice to be reminiscent of the past ... especially a past that was trophie ladden ... but wud bringing him back be the wisest thing to do? I mean football today isnt wat it is 10 years ago, let alone however long its been since kenny left the anfield.

Today we're talking abt how players are protected by referees, and how the English league wud need a home-grown ruling to bring the roots back in a continental players-infested league, the vulture-esque media and how the mechanics of that industry can topple the greatest kings of the game with one twist of the pen, instant-success-hungry owners with bulging pockets who are better at putting the club within risk of bankruptcy than spreading harmony within the institution...

Having said that, i havent a clue wat hes been doing since then, but if ure telling me ud rather have kenny ahead of rafa at this point of time, id say ur having ure emotions ahead of u.

To be fair, rafa is doing a better job at the league than houllier did .... in terms of consistency of course. But ... wud be nice to see some old-school football wudnt it ? unfortunately .. thats not what keeps u in the game anymore! smile.gif
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Well, at least its nice if he was back in football, maybe as a coach or assistant to rafa tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aboogee @ Feb 20 2009, 04:20 PM)
I think its nice to be reminiscent of the past ... especially a past that was trophie ladden ... but wud bringing him back be the wisest thing to do? I mean football today isnt wat it is 10 years ago, let alone however long its been since kenny left the anfield.

Today we're talking abt how players are protected by referees, and how the English league wud need a home-grown ruling to bring the roots back in a continental players-infested league, the vulture-esque media and how the mechanics of that industry can topple the greatest kings of the game with one twist of the pen, instant-success-hungry owners with bulging pockets who are better at putting the club within risk of bankruptcy than spreading harmony within the institution...

Having said that, i havent a clue wat hes been doing since then, but if ure telling me ud rather have kenny ahead of rafa at this point of time, id say ur having ure emotions ahead of u.

To be fair, rafa is doing a better job at the league than houllier did .... in terms of consistency of course. But ... wud be nice to see some old-school football wudnt it ? unfortunately .. thats not what keeps u in the game anymore! smile.gif
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agree, good posting.

kenny may have brought quite some trophies, but he hasn't been in management for years. to bring him back all of a sudden, it's more suicidal than good.

RB may not be the best manager around, but at least we see improvements from season to season. i haven't seen the squad playing smooth passing a la arsenal for the past decade, and now RB has turned liverpool into one of the best in the league. remember all the pump-the-ball-forwards game plans?

we're playing good football, getting some decent results, significant improvements, now it's whether the fans and yanks are patient enough to wait for the title with RB, or sack him and get another guy who'll eventually be given another 5-years timeframe to build another team which normally means no titles for the next 5 years.

i've always been baffled as to why abrahimovich sacked mourinho when he was bringing all the trophies to chelsea. they already had a winning formula with mourinho but a new coach comes in, try some changes and failed to land the trophy, sacked, another one comes in, fail, sack, the cycle goes on. if there's someone to blame for chelsea's downfall and failure to win trophies (especially this season), it's because RA is too impatient.

i certainly don't want to see liverpool going the same way.
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so senyap =___+
cant wait to see liverpool in action again!
this coming weeks, gonna be interesting! cause it's going to be March!!

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...090220-1650.htm

am i understanding the odds correctly here?
in that if Liverpool wins, u lose money? tongue.gif

Liverpool 4/7
Draw 11/4
Man City 11/2
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...090220-1650.htm

am i understanding the odds correctly here?
in that if Liverpool wins, u lose money? tongue.gif

Liverpool 4/7
Draw 11/4
Man City 11/2
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Riera has the same odds of opening scoring with Bellamy... LOL...
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KIN KENNY.... cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...england&cc=4716

All dynasties come to an end. Whisper it, Manchester United's edifice will one day crumble and when those days do arrive, their fans will anxiously recall their predecessor as England's leading club and pray it does not take them anywhere near as long to recover from their fall from grace.

The harrowing effects of the Hillsborough Disaster and its aftermath on the manager led to Dalglish's eventual departure.
In the always 20-20 vision of retrospection, Liverpool's decline may have already been in session, yet one date always rings out as that when the club's playing fortunes began to collapse.

Sunday, February 22, marks the anniversary of Kenny Dalglish's resignation from his Anfield managerial post. Back in February 1991, Liverpool, defending league champions, though showing signs of fragility, were still the pre-eminent force in the old First Division.

This was not the club's first "JFK" moment. In 1974, Reds fans had been stunned when Bill Shankly quit one July morning. Those feelings of bewilderment emoted in TV footage showing shocked fans being told by reporter and future rock impresario Tony Wilson that "Shanks" had retired were echoed by the amazement that greeted the abdication of "King Kenny". Though the signs had been in place for a while, few had seen it coming.

February 20's legendary 4-4 FA Cup draw with Everton at Goodison saw the away side surrender a lead four times. It was the night Dalglish decided he had enough. His team had defended horribly, the last equaliser coming from a Glenn Hysen mistake that let in Tony Cottee to take the tie to a second replay Liverpool would eventually lose. By then the club had changed forever. Eighteen years on, prior to the two clubs' recent series of matches that conjured up memories of bygone derbies, Dalglish admitted that blind panic had struck him before the Everton sub had struck that eighth goal.

"I knew that night I had to go," he said. "After we took the lead for the final time I was standing on the touchline and I knew that I had to make a change to shore things up at the back. I could see what had to be done and what would happen if I didn't do it, but I didn't act on what I knew I had to do. That was the moment I knew."

Accounts of the post-match Liverpool dressing room have documented scenes of insurrection with rottweiler-like coach Ronnie Moran joining Ian Rush in lambasting the defence. Everton player Pat Nevin later said the noise could be heard from the Everton dressing room, saying: "It was mental. We were elated because we had got away with a 4-4 draw, but our lads went quiet when they heard all that. It was kicking off like nothing on earth." Dalglish, meanwhile, is said to have stood with his back to the wall, breathing heavily and saying nothing.

Dalglish then went silently to his Southport home to let those closest know of his inner turmoil. "The wife was busy planning my 40th birthday and I just came in that night and told her I was done. I needed the break. I was shattered and Marina was stunned," he recalled. The following day he met with club chief executive Peter Robinson and the chairman and handed in his resignation. The news was made public on a Friday while Liverpool's players were training on Luton Town's plastic pitch in preparation for a Saturday league game with the Hatters.

Liverpool, who had been top of the First Division table, lost 3-1 at Kenilworth Road and were overtaken that day by Arsenal, who celebrated the deposing of their rivals' monarch with a 4-0 romp against Crystal Palace. Until this season, Liverpool have rarely been in as good a league position since. The following week, club captain Alan Hansen called time on his playing career as a long-term knee injury finally gave out on him. As Dalglish walked away, Moran, a graduate of Shankly's famous "Boot Room", took over the reins for a while, before making it clear that he did not want the job full-time.

Hansen soon declared his lack of interest in management, saying he wanted his hair "to stay relatively black". Eight weeks after Dalglish's departure, in strode the third member of the triumvirate of Scots who had been key to Liverpool's European and domestic dominance of the previous decade.

Though he inherited a team that was ageing badly and needed overhauling, Graeme Souness' reign, despite the lifting of the FA Cup in 1992, is ultimately remembered as a failure, most keenly for his sale of the story of his heart bypass operation to The Sun, the tabloid that had so defiled the memory of those who had died in the Hillsborough disaster.

It is the effects of those horrific events in April 1989 that are most often blamed for Dalglish's decline and eventual fall. In the aftermath, Dalglish had acted as his club's ambassador, attending as many fans' funerals as he could, while trying to keep the football flame alive. Grief can often have a delayed effect, leading to the type of depressive breakdown that Dalglish eventually suffered. In his 1997 autobiography he confessed that at the time of his leaving of Liverpool he had felt as if his head would explode.

The 1988/89 season had ended with a conclusion of almost indescribable drama as Michael Thomas' last-minute strike grabbed the title for Arsenal at Anfield. Dalglish's demeanour that night, as opposing manager George Graham tried in vain to stop his players celebrating too wildly barely six weeks after Hillsborough, was one of catatonic shock, with ITV commentator Brian Moore saying: "Dalglish just stands there." That face of stark dejection would be echoed 20 months later at Goodison Park.

In the interim, Liverpool had regained the league title in 1990, their 18th and so far their last. Though this was no vintage triumph. After all, the team that had run them closest, Graham Taylor's Aston Villa, had featured a strike force of Ian Ormondroyd and Tony Cascarino.

The addition of Swedish defender Hysen had done little to augment a backline that had failed to adequately replace Mark Lawrenson and featured Hansen on his last legs. A catastrophic 4-3 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Crystal Palace had denied them a chance of the double but also exposed their growing frailties.

The following season saw Liverpool again at the top of the table in January. Though again, this was no vintage crop of opponents. With Manchester United still rebuilding, Villa lapsing after the loss of Taylor to the England job, Everton in decline and Leeds only just back in the top division after a decade of absence, it was left to Arsenal to again be the challengers. Graham's team were far stronger this time, with goalkeeper David Seaman now augmenting that fabled defence.

On December 2, the Gunners had crushed their rivals 3-0 at Highbury, their relentless chase for a second title in three years beginning to gather momentum. They would end the season with just one defeat, seven points clear of Liverpool, the tale of the season told by their concession of a mere 18 goals to Liverpool's 40.

Prior to his resignation, the cracks had been beginning to show at Anfield. Tales of a rift between Dalglish and record signing Peter Beardsley have been latterly denied but the club was doing something it had rarely done during a quarter of a century of unmatched success; airing dirty linen in public.

Beardsley had been dropped for the Highbury game and Dalglish's transfer policy, which had revived the club in 1987 with the triple signings of Beardsley, John Barnes and John Aldridge, was faltering.

Aldridge had already gone, unable to get in ahead of the returned Ian Rush. Recent signings David Speedie, a 31-year-old with an infamously combustible temperament and Jimmy Carter, a Millwall winger who would play just five times for the club, did not look up to the Liverpool standard and were seen as panic buys that perhaps personified the mindset of the manager.
When Dalglish walked away, his dignity remained as intact as his place in the club's history. Yet there is a post-script to the story, revealed by the man himself last month. In an echo of Bill Shankly's failed attempt to un-resign his job just weeks after Bob Paisley had been handed the reins in that summer of 1974, Dalglish has admitted that he soon regretted leaving.

"I needed the break, I needed the rest," he said. "After two weeks I got what I needed and I'd have been ready to go back, but the phone never rang. No-one ever asked me how I was doing or whether I'd reconsider returning and the club went on and appointed Graeme." In a classic case of what might have been, the club he left behind has never been the same since.''



Dont think he will survive modern football though. Let him remain where he is..forever etched in our memory as one of Liverpool's most talented footballer AND manager ever.
PS- not sure if its posted already. havent been here for almost 2 weeks.. if yes, so, i will remove. wink.gif wink.gif

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dammm 1 more day to go =___=
anyway aston Vs Chelski.. interesting match!
and Blackburn to hold Mana? hopefully
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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Feb 21 2009, 03:05 PM)
dammm 1 more day to go =___=
anyway aston Vs Chelski.. interesting match!
and Blackburn to hold Mana? hopefully
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Is good that the match is on Sunday biggrin.gif

Now the streamyx speed is extremely slow, I cant stream it if the match is tonight.Hope they can fix it before the match tongue.gif
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why need to stream...go mamak n watch ler
well, talk abt mamak.. i still rmb, ages ago when im still studying at subang(metro)
the match betweem Liv Vs Arsenal and scoreline is 2-1 (melor his name?) score from kinda far away..
i love that match! hhaha...arsenal fans were shouting when they score the equaliser...and when liv score...i stand on the chair n claps my hand!! haha..
and i can see those "eye's" of hateness looking at me..well..that time i got 8 of my friends and they r all fighter! haha..didnt bother me at all with those "eye's" while i cheering

how abt ur experience?
oh yea, still rmb the match in istanbul (i was at Aus) hehe..tt's kinda funny n happy moment rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Feb 21 2009, 03:19 PM)
why need to stream...go mamak n watch ler
well, talk abt mamak.. i still rmb, ages ago when im still studying at subang(metro)
the match betweem Liv Vs Arsenal and scoreline is 2-1 (melor his name?) score from kinda far away..
i love that match! hhaha...arsenal fans were shouting when they score the equaliser...and when liv score...i stand on the chair n claps my hand!! haha..
and i can see those "eye's" of hateness looking at me..well..that time i got 8 of my friends and they r all fighter! haha..didnt bother me at all with those "eye's" while i cheering

how abt ur experience?
oh yea, still rmb the match in istanbul (i was at Aus) hehe..tt's kinda funny n happy moment  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Well, only retards will fight with others when their team lose.I mean what's the point of fighting just because of your team lose.The winning team supporters have the right to celebrate.You can just walk away if you don't like it.

My experience---> when I was watching the match between us and manu.We(me and my friends) were half drunk even before the match is over.Then, when babel scored the winning goals, we stood up on the chairsm,dancing and yelling and the manu supporters were like annoyed with us and walked out of the bar. tongue.gif

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Well, only retards will fight with others when their team lose.I mean what's the point of fighting just because of your team lose.The winning team supporters have the right to celebrate.You can just walk away if you don't like it.

My experience---> when I was watching the match between us and manu.We(me and my friends) were half drunk even before the match is over.Then, when babel scored the winning goals, we stood up on the chairsm,dancing and yelling and the manu supporters were like annoyed with us and walked out of the bar.  tongue.gif
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well i doesnt mean i wan to fight them...it;s just me n my friends cheers cause of too happy on the other hand,(wanna piss them off too) u know la..young age that time, very "giat siao"(hokkian) but at the end..nth happend la..


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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 21 2009, 04:17 PM)
Well, only retards will fight with others when their team lose.I mean what's the point of fighting just because of your team lose.The winning team supporters have the right to celebrate.You can just walk away if you don't like it.

My experience---> when I was watching the match between us and manu.We(me and my friends) were half drunk even before the match is over.Then, when babel scored the winning goals, we stood up on the chairsm,dancing and yelling and the manu supporters were like annoyed with us and walked out of the bar.  tongue.gif
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well i doesnt mean i wan to fight them...it;s just me n my friends cheers cause of too happy on the other hand,(wanna piss them off too) u know la..young age that time, very "giat siao"(hokkian) but at the end..nth happend la..


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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Feb 21 2009, 05:16 PM)
well i doesnt mean i wan to fight them...it;s just me n my friends cheers cause of too happy on the other hand,(wanna piss them off too) u know la..young age that time, very "giat siao"(hokkian) but at the end..nth happend la..


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I mean if they really hit you, they are really retards.Anyway, let's see if chelsea can take 3 points from Villa. brows.gif
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villa r the bookie's favorite tonite..
im goin for the opposite n take chelsea! go Blues n let papa win some $ Lol..
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maybe villa can win tonight..
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Lol.For unknown reason, I prefer Chelsea to win...Don't ask me why...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 21 2009, 09:50 PM)
Lol.For unknown reason, I prefer Chelsea to win...Don't ask me why...
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I mean if they really hit you, they are really retards.Anyway, let's see if chelsea can take 3 points from Villa. brows.gif
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QUOTE(esca_flo @ Feb 21 2009, 10:53 PM)
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 21 2009, 09:50 PM)
Lol.For unknown reason, I prefer Chelsea to win...Don't ask me why...
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Going by the unpredictable way Rafa has put out his team this season, I'm going to try to predict Rafa's selection against Man City...

Here goes:

---------------- Cavalieri ----------------

Degen--Carragher--Pellegrino(no kidding)--Dossena

Kuyt---Lucas(captain)--Masch--Plesis---El Zhar


----------------N Gog--------------------

That is the most outrageously unpredictable team and the only way to predict Rafa's team selection.. Want to try? rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Feb 21 2009, 11:28 PM)
Going by the unpredictable way Rafa has put out his team in the past few games, I'm going to try to predict Rafa's selection against Man City...

Here goes:

---------------- Cavalieri ----------------

Degen--Carragher--Pellegrino(no kidding)--Dossena

Kuyt---Lucas(captain)--Masch--Plesis---El Zhar
----------------N Gog--------------------

That is the most outrageously unpredictable team and the only way to predict Rafa's team selection.. Want to try? rclxub.gif
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most outrageous? replace cavalieri with that crapass itjande, who is somehow still in the team.
or next best choice would be hansen, who made an amazing blunder during a recent reserves match.

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QUOTE(GulaV @ Feb 21 2009, 10:47 PM)
And you got it..  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Feb 21 2009, 11:28 PM)
Going by the unpredictable way Rafa has put out his team this season, I'm going to try to predict Rafa's selection against Man City...

Here goes:

---------------- Cavalieri ----------------

Degen--Carragher--Pellegrino(no kidding)--Dossena

Kuyt---Lucas(captain)--Masch--Plesis---El Zhar
----------------N Gog--------------------

That is the most outrageously unpredictable team and the only way to predict Rafa's team selection.. Want to try? rclxub.gif
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are you serious...
i hate dossena n lucas...
alonso maybe cant play..
gerrard of course..
so liverpool dont have playmaker...
arghh... must get 3 points...
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QUOTE(hotmusic @ Feb 22 2009, 12:04 AM)
are you serious...
i hate dossena n lucas...
alonso maybe cant play..
gerrard of course..
so liverpool dont have playmaker...
arghh... must get 3 points...
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Alonso not maybe...Is surely wont be able to play.Dossena is improving from match to match.He was playing decent football lately.His pace is superb.Anyway, I believe we can get the right result as long as we dont make stupid mistakes. smile.gif
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"Big Four" - chelsea win, Arsenal Draw. Mana? Mana to lose?
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Arsenal - Big Four? pftt!!... I laughed when I heard the commentator said it just now.. No offence. It's a fact now..
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didnt c I put ".." ? They r use to be...hehe
anyway Blackburn to draw or win mana!!!!
NiteZ guys too tired liao
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Rafa...
ur better prepared la...
Madrid win big tonite.. 6-1 to be exact..

*On other note... Sissoko scored for Juve...
didnt we miss him...
I do...
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8 Pts Bedhind.

Draw/Lose + Title GONE..

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8 pts was very diffucult to chase.We know we have draw many games.Rafa benitez told gerrard:Must win everygame if you want the title.Man city is tough oso.But for me i can say the title race haven't over for liver.
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Yes it's gone. Not officially but theoretically.

I enjoy sitting back and watch the backlash. Bring them on and recover the lost ground.


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QUOTE(popsoul @ Feb 22 2009, 12:27 PM)
Yes it's gone. Not officially but theoretically.

I enjoy sitting back and watch the backlash. Bring them on and recover the lost ground.
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At least we share the same thought.Anyway, with Alonso banned, I think we will have to boss the midfield with my favourite no 21... laugh.gif doh.gif
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pressure is high now in anfield..
8 pts behind red devils..
no excuse.. the reds must get 3 points...

hope in torres.. score 3 goals in last 2 match.. <88min, 91min, 94min>
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QUOTE(hotmusic @ Feb 22 2009, 02:21 PM)
pressure is high now in anfield..
8 pts behind red devils..
no excuse.. the reds must get 3 points...

hope in torres.. score 3 goals in last 2 match.. <88min, 91min, 94min>
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Let's hope Rafa don't rotate anyone...Stick with the best eleven!


P.s:Alonso will be fully fit for next week match against Real Madrid. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 22 2009, 01:25 PM)
At least we share the same thought.Anyway, with Alonso banned, I think we will have to boss the midfield with my favourite no 21... laugh.gif  doh.gif
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well, there is a way that ur beloved no.21 can have more personal time with our no.8...
get rafa to play his revolutionary lineup of 6 defenders with masch to hold the midfield again tongue.gif



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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 22 2009, 02:37 PM)
well, there is a way that ur beloved no.21 can have more personal time with our no.8...
get rafa to play his revolutionary lineup of 6 defenders with masch to hold the midfield again tongue.gif
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Aurelio as makeshift midfielder, anyone? brows.gif
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I heard Aurelio kinda always played as CM in his years in Valencia. Read it somewhere recently.. It proved Rafa loves to play players in different positions (Kuyt? Babel?)..
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GERRARD RULED OUT OF CITY CLASH

Steven Gerrard has been ruled out of Liverpool's clash with Manchester City this weekend.
The Reds midfielder is still recovering from a hamstring injury and won't be risked for the visit of Mark Hughes' men.

There was hope earlier in the week that Gerrard could be on the bench this weekend, but manager Rafael Benitez today confirmed he will not figure.

"Steven will not be ready for this game. We don't know if he'll be back for the game in midweek but clearly he will not be involved against City," said the boss.

"I spoke to him five minutes ago and he has confidence he will be back for Madrid, but we will decide on Monday.

"He is improving but we cannot take any risks, so he won't be in the squad this weekend."

Gerrard and Philipp Degen apart, Benitez reports no fresh injury worries for Sunday's game.

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Just watched the replay of Liverpool vs Ac Milan during 2005 Champions Leagus Final.
That video really motivates me a lot. laugh.gif
I was hoping for something like this this year. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Yaozz @ Feb 22 2009, 03:07 PM)
Just watched the replay of Liverpool vs Ac Milan during 2005 Champions Leagus Final.
That video really motivates me a lot. laugh.gif
I was hoping for something like this this year. biggrin.gif
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u can hope for that.
i rather hope for more of like liverpool 8 besiktas 0, or liverpool 9 crystal palace 0 tongue.gif
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Rafa's comment make me roflmao.... laugh.gif

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three points at Portsmouth. I think that can add a lot of
encouragement and show the players that they're back on track after dropping points in all of those successive home draws...

It was important for us because people were talking about my team
selection before, during and after the game. It was very funny
watching the replay of the game and hearing the commentators and
'experts'. We played well and had plenty of possession, but it sounded as though we were playing badly according to the commentators. We controlled the game but you have to score. In the end we scored three goals, which is not bad with 'seven defensive players'. We showed once again this side has character and determination. Maybe someone should go to school and learn more about football.

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why rafa always speak like he is the special one nowadays??like JM style....
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rafa sucks man.. chang the damn manager. go for JM!
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Somebody please teach me how I can watch streaming for tonight's match! Work has kept me away from here for far too long and I hope I can get a football fix tonight.

Yes, I have no Astro and so will have to stream both tonight's clash against City and the midweek clash against Real.
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QUOTE(szeki @ Feb 22 2009, 04:21 PM)
rafa sucks man.. chang the damn manager. go for JM!
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Yea...JM also not good enough la... we should hire you instead. laugh.gif tongue.gif


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Somebody please teach me how I can watch streaming for tonight's match! Work has kept me away from here for far too long and I hope I can get a football fix tonight.

Yes, I have no Astro and so will have to stream both tonight's clash against City and the midweek clash against Real.
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First, install sopcast/TVU/TVAnts.Personally, I prefer Sopcast.Loading fast, streaming smooth.

Then proceed to the channel and stream happily.

Pick up the link of the channel over here.

http://www.asiaplatetv.com/football.php

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After reading today's newspaper on tevez issue, I've been thinking why not we bring tevez over to anfield. A few years back there also a rumor about bringing tevez to anfield right. Maybe masch can poison him to join liv. brows.gif
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QUOTE(de_sengal @ Feb 22 2009, 07:30 PM)
After reading today's newspaper on tevez issue, I've been thinking why not we bring tevez over to anfield. A few years back there also a rumor about bringing tevez to anfield right. Maybe masch can poison him to join liv. brows.gif
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Doubt that will happen at all. Seriously, Pool need to develop some young players into professional Pro Players. Pool is relying too heavily on Gerrard and Torres. Without them both, pool is not a great team. In fact, i have evidence to back my argument. For instance, torres scored last few games in the FINAL minutes. Without torres, pool will be 10+ points behind United.
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QUOTE(szeki @ Feb 22 2009, 07:34 PM)
Doubt that will happen at all. Seriously, Pool need to develop some young players into professional Pro Players. Pool is relying too heavily on Gerrard and Torres. Without them both, pool is not a great team. In fact, i have evidence to back my argument. For instance, torres scored last few games in the FINAL minutes. Without torres, pool will be 10+ points behind United.
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Sorry, but they way you are saying is that we really need an already pro players. We already have ngog, nemeth, and pacheco in the making but it still takes maybe 2-3 seasons more before they become really good. We need to buy an instant pro player that can play in epl like tevez. Didn't most of the kop want rafa to deliver an instant results? whistling.gif

Anyway it just for the fun to calm down my nervous feeling for tonight match. sweat.gif Have to think positive....have to think positive tongue.gif
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QUOTE(szeki @ Feb 22 2009, 07:34 PM)
Doubt that will happen at all. Seriously, Pool need to develop some young players into professional Pro Players. Pool is relying too heavily on Gerrard and Torres. Without them both, pool is not a great team. In fact, i have evidence to back my argument. For instance, torres scored last few games in the FINAL minutes. Without torres, pool will be 10+ points behind United.
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May I ask which team you support?

1st, you don't know a thing bout us.Did we beat Manu with Torres and Gerrard? I don't think so.How is that that we rely heavily on Torres when we won most of the 1st half season matches without him on pitch?As for Gerrard, we still beat a number of team during his absence.As for your evident, I bet the same could be say on Rooney and Ronaldo in manu.Without their goals, the team would probably behind chelsea? laugh.gif

Second, can you respect us?Only those bitters from the devils call us pool.If you prefer shortform, use reds instead.Pool sounds rude to me in anyway.

Third, Your posts here are flamebaiting.From the post about Rafa sucks to the bold part, you might want to control yourself and refrain from posting this kinda of post before people hit on the report button.You don't go to KFC and tell them their food sucks, right?Same here.You don't come in and have a dig on our team in our thread.




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wow...liverpool!!!!!!!!! tonite torres hattrick!!
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:02 PM

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liverlfoool neeed to win, else the title chase will cold like water,,,,
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:03 PM

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i dont think liverpool rely to much on gerrard and torres this season at least not as much as last season..liverpool need to produce more talented youngster that really good just like barca, ajax or juve(its not easy thou)and the bad news is that man u started to produced some talented youngster of their own...gerrard are aging now, the question is who gonna replace him in the future?? its really hard to name one name in the squad isnt it..

btw, liverpool need to win tonight match plus its interesting to see the starting line up because rafa surely have his head thinking about real madrid for the champion league...
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 22 2009, 07:46 PM)
May I ask which team you support?

1st, you don't know a thing bout us.Did we beat Manu with Torres and Gerrard? I don't think so.How is that that we rely heavily on Torres when we won most of the 1st half season matches without him on pitch?As for Gerrard, we still beat a number of team during his absence.As for your evident, I bet the same could be say on Rooney and Ronaldo in manu.Without their goals, the team would probably behind chelsea?  laugh.gif

Second, can you respect us?Only those bitters from the devils call us pool.If you prefer shortform, use reds instead.Pool sounds rude to me in anyway.

Third, Your posts here are flamebaiting.From the post about Rafa sucks to the bold part, you might want to control yourself and refrain from posting this kinda of post before people hit on the report button.You don't go to KFC and tell them their food sucks, right?Same here.You don't come in and have a dig on our team in our thread.
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hahaha... you're the man notworthy.gif


Added on February 22, 2009, 8:05 pm
QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Feb 22 2009, 08:03 PM)
i dont think liverpool rely to much on gerrard and torres this season at least not as much as last season..liverpool need to produce more talented youngster that really good just like barca, ajax or juve(its not easy thou)and the bad news is that man u started to produced some talented youngster of their own...gerrard are aging now, the question is who gonna replace him in the future?? its really hard to name one name in the squad isnt it..

btw, liverpool need to win tonight match plus its interesting to see the starting line up because rafa surely have his head thinking about real madrid for the champion league...
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erm..... hmm.gif maybe our no 21 can replaced gerrard whistling.gif doh.gif

This post has been edited by de_sengal: Feb 22 2009, 08:05 PM
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:06 PM

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as i said before, u mess with one of us, you mess with ALL of us.. as u would have known by now, v will never walk alone!!
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(hwchua @ Feb 22 2009, 08:02 PM)
liverlfoool neeed to win, else the title chase will cold like water,,,,
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Here come our pessimistic Reds tongue.gif laugh.gif


doh.gif for bold part


Added on February 22, 2009, 8:11 pm
QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Feb 22 2009, 08:03 PM)
i dont think liverpool rely to much on gerrard and torres this season at least not as much as last season..liverpool need to produce more talented youngster that really good just like barca, ajax or juve(its not easy thou)and the bad news is that man u started to produced some talented youngster of their own...gerrard are aging now, the question is who gonna replace him in the future?? its really hard to name one name in the squad isnt it..

btw, liverpool need to win tonight match plus its interesting to see the starting line up because rafa surely have his head thinking about real madrid for the champion league...
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Don't expect much rotation.Even FA Cup, Rafa didnt rotate much.I bet he will put in the strongest line up. smile.gif

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 22 2009, 08:11 PM
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post Feb 22 2009, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 22 2009, 05:04 PM)

Added on February 22, 2009, 5:28 pm
First, install sopcast/TVU/TVAnts.Personally, I prefer Sopcast.Loading fast, streaming smooth.

Then proceed to the channel and stream happily.

Pick up the link of the channel over here.

http://www.asiaplatetv.com/football.php
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Ah, thanks for the pointers, I'll give it a try smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:13 PM

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Every game now is a make or break game. Can't even afford to draw. This is it. We must go on a streak if we want any chance on the BPL. Santa Cruz's goal shows that Man U's defence is beatable.

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Feb 22 2009, 09:13 PM)
Every game now is a make or break game. Can't even afford to draw. This is it. We must go on a streak if we want any chance on the BPL. Santa Cruz's goal shows that Man U's defence is beatable.
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They play with second choice keeper, young CB and a young wingback...Just incase you don;t know
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:18 PM

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liverpool without gerrard and alonso, no creativity at midfield... guess we need benayoun and riera or babel(laugh) to provide assist to torres
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Feb 22 2009, 09:18 PM)
liverpool without gerrard and alonso, no creativity at midfield... guess we need benayoun and riera or babel(laugh) to provide assist to torres
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Babel to assist???

*HA HA HA*

Ok, are you serious? You best be joking. doh.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 22 2009, 09:20 PM)
Babel to assist???

*HA HA HA*

Ok, are you serious? You best be joking. doh.gif
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why not ? he assisted kuyt goal against Standard liege in CL qualifying round what nod.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(zamarano @ Feb 22 2009, 09:24 PM)
why not ? he assisted kuyt goal against Standard liege in CL qualifying round what  nod.gif
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Oh...How long is that? Since then, he is too busy to assist others... Solo show all the way. doh.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:36 PM

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C'mon POOL!! YEAH!! POOL!!! Now im calling them Pool!!! coz its COOL!!!
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(de_sengal @ Feb 22 2009, 07:30 PM)
After reading today's newspaper on tevez issue, I've been thinking why not we bring tevez over to anfield. A few years back there also a rumor about bringing tevez to anfield right. Maybe masch can poison him to join liv. brows.gif
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I don't think Tevez will come.
Remember what happened to Heinze's case? laugh.gif
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Yaozz @ Feb 22 2009, 09:41 PM)
I don't think Tevez will come.
Remember what happened to Heinze's case? laugh.gif
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Now, it's not up to the senile grump to decide and is different from Heinze's case...Third party ownership, remember?
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QUOTE(de_sengal @ Feb 22 2009, 07:30 PM)
After reading today's newspaper on tevez issue, I've been thinking why not we bring tevez over to anfield. A few years back there also a rumor about bringing tevez to anfield right. Maybe masch can poison him to join liv. brows.gif
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cos he has a 30 million pound price tag...no way will we go for him at that price.


Added on February 22, 2009, 9:48 pm
QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 22 2009, 09:15 PM)
They play with second choice keeper, young CB and a young wingback...Just incase you don;t know
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cos SAF is trying to say, so what if rafa can play 6 defenders in a game...i can also play an unexpected lineup myself tongue.gif

This post has been edited by Everdying: Feb 22 2009, 09:48 PM
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post Feb 22 2009, 09:57 PM

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OK, I've downloaded Sopcast and wanted to test it out by watching the Fulham game. But it keeps telling me the channel is offline, is that correct?


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