all the bad luck come from Lucas the Pukas

Rafa has brought in a lot of joy to the club. Sadly, he will always be pressurized by the media and fans due to his occasionally strange tactics/policy/misses in the transfer marker. That is why many of us see him as the enigma. On one had, he can be a genius and tactically astounding, giving us the confidence to claim the scalps of Euro giants.
I am now wondering if there is any manager in the EPL that has led their team to beat Milan, Inter, Barca, Chelsea, Madrid in the CL. Amazing record

On the other hand, his selection and tactics and the eventually results against the Stokes, Man city can make any fan wanting his head.

I still dont understand Rafa fully and the things he does. Perhaps its because he is always seen as a brilliant manager, a focused tactician that we constantly expect so much from him.

Whether Rafa is the right man for Liverpool, i am always driven by the question if not him, then who?? I certainly wont feel comfortable with Jurgen, Rikjaard or even O'Neil for now. But if Jose is available, why not?

I agree with you. As you mention, I think that JM has the characteristic to succeed him, rather than Klinsi, Rijkaard, O'neill or even Lippi. But still think that RB is a strategist/tactician while JM tends to be more of a motivator. Too bad JM pissed loads of us with his big mouth . But then again maybe that's what made him tick.
The ideal scenario will be combining both of them into one, but that's not possible is it?

hahaha...Jose's ego is already big enough .....cant see him working with Rafa..hahahaha

saw the match last night....Perhaps, Liverpool greatest SUCESS in the transfer market this season was NOT SELLING ALONSO....
he was superb, awesome and commanding...



This post has been edited by nando: Feb 27 2009, 10:12 AM

Yup, Alonso is back to his best, his shot on the stroke of halftime is so accurate, nevermind its slow & saved by Casillas. Bet most of us can't even hit the target like that (just under the bar) from halfway line even in empty field nevermind competitive match.
On another note, Benayoun just ooze class in trickery & dribbling, just like in West Ham days when he skinned our defence. Looks like he's recapturing his form now, but somehow he seems lightweight, easily bundle off the ball

Harry Kewell suddenly become injury-proof & score more goals than Torres this season Galatasaray....

Why Jose ? His football is no different than ours, and i think on match to match basis, Rafa has a better track record against Jose (against a far superior side no less). If i were to pick one just on the basis of ability alone i would opt for O'Neil. But i just cant stand the sight of him, and i know most fans would hate him at Liverpool.

I really think Rafa as a person is a genius, and as such i think he needs to be treated slightly differently. Genius dont always think alike and even harder to comprehend. All managers are different in their own ways, and Rafa i feel is a very unique one. I agree he is an enigma, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. The media finds it hard to understand him, so they make all sorts of stories about him hoping one will hit the nail. If the closest people have the difficulty reading him, it be even harder for the opposing managers. I agree he makes baffling decisions but i believe he gets more rights than wrongs. Otherwise, we wouldn't be the second best team in the league and holding a royal seat in the CL. As you said, he has brought his players and fans to the best stadiums in Europe and beaten the very best teams at their own ground. Amazing feat that. Since his arrival, he has turned a losing side to a highly combative and resilient to defeat outfit. By doing so, he converted losing games to draws. We are the only European team that has lost a single league match this year and we are truly the most dreaded team in Europe. Defensive or not, he has brought back a certain identity to this club. For this reason, I am willing to giving him another 5 years to get it right in the EPL. To turn those converted draws into wins. To get his boys well drilled offensively as they had been defensively. If he's not with us, he will defo bring certain success to another club and i dread just thinking what that team would do to ours.

Instead of taking the 5 year plan to 10 years, changing a manager will reset the 5 year plan. The new manager is going to do things his ways and that means new staffs and players. If the new manager is anywhere near as good or better than Rafa things will be rosy if not certain players will not renew their near ending contract and return to Spain. LFC is back to square one and we as fans will need to endure another 5 excruciating years of re-development and it will be even more painful because we're in the middle of a global economic crisis and even more skint than ever. We will probably find us light years behind the mancs yet again. We might even find ourselves struggling in CL under the new manager, and i guarantee that we will if we were to meet a Rafa team in CL.

The question that we need to ask ourselves is, can we accept the progress made by Rafa as a milestone and take it 10 years, or risk it all and go for a new manager ?

This post has been edited by hfi: Feb 27 2009, 11:12 AM

Just curious...Will you guys prefer Heinze over Dossena?I mean, should Ferguson let us sign him previous seasonS.

i prefer insua than both of them...

Insua will come good.Anyway, put insua aside,which one do you prefer?

Benitez work magic in UCL. I hope it can happen in the league, its been to long since Liverpool have the League. 7 points adrift now. Its gonna be an uphill task...

reporting in teacher... there is think on page 58 the one with godly post and waa..waa...waa... for u maybe not insulting, but for me it is to me since that guy not praising pool anyway..

Please.Do check out his last few posts. The one saying wa wa wa is Desert Punk.




Anymore? NEXT!

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 27 2009, 12:21 PM

aiyoh, everyone who left is basically scoring goals now, except for a certain no.7...

lol i found this out ...

Posted on: Sep 13 2008, 11:05 PM by Desert Punk in pool thread..

Just took a short tour at the man u thread and boy,they sure are bitter about the result.

are u sure he is man utd fan?

He is a united fans that accept lose like a man.In case you didn't know, he called us lolly and I believe alien2003 already warned him.

Here's what I meant.





Again, I don't think a liverpool fans will go on calling his own team as lolly team. He is just a realistic manu fans that hate Liverpool but accept the lose as a fact.

And the post "WA WA WA" he posted is more towards giving support to gto87 than to insult them.


NEXT

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 27 2009, 01:13 PM

it depends who the new manager is.

Well, why NOT Jose? Every appointment is a risk but Jose has some criteria whom i feel, fits the current Liverpool situation

-We are in need of a title. I know there is such thing call long term plan, rebuilding, etc etc but face it. We are about to be knocked out of our perch. Jose fits because he has done it with Chelsea and looks like repeating it with Inter.

-Liverpool, like Chelsea and Inter has quality players forming the spine of a team. I think Jose fits the bill of someone who can use Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Reina, Alonso and now maybe MArtin, Arbeloa and make Liverpool win the league. Ok, there is always that big question of Mourinho winning it with Abrahamovic millions. and i think even Jose cant transform City or Spurs into winners overnight. But i think Liverpool is a different scenario.
Darn it, it will be interesting to see how our current spine+ wannabes+yet to be proven talent+the updowns players respond to someone like Mourinho .

- we sometimes lack the winning mentality. It looks hard for the team to just go out and go on a 10-15 winning streak. I am not sure if its due to the rotation, mentality of players or even the pressure from fans. Jose has the record of instilling a winning mentality in his team.


Yes, changing Rafa will reset the 5 year plan. But then, with Mourinho's ability and mentality, perhaps the appointment will `fast-track/launch' the foundation that Rafa has built? Sometimes i think we fear too much about destroying what Rafa is trying to build. Look, if Rafa has indeed build a good foundation, a good manager coming him to replace him might not necessary destroy and rebuild but just continue rebuilding and reinforcing?

Again, i am not advocating a `Rafa Out Jose in' campaign.
Therefore, I also harbor a hope that Liverpool will do well this season, providing Rafa with more time, perhaps for another season. I said in beginning of this season that this present season will define Rafa's future with us. Looks like the next 10 matches will define it. If we secure 2nd place comfortably and stay close behind MU and spring a surprise in the CL, then Rafa's position will be secured.




But then, this is a just a lazy Friday afternoon musing...surely, Jose wont come to Liverpool...

This post has been edited by nando: Feb 27 2009, 01:21 PM

ok.. i acknowledge ur finding him as man utd fan but to me during that time he seem like a pool fan... so its still justify for me using "some"..

oklar ..you win lar...

happy d?

It seems?Keyword here is seems.That's your assumption and you are not even certain about that but you already made up accusations and generalization out of it...You made up a conclusion based on your assumption when the truth is 360degree different from your conclusion.


Fact 1:
gto87 started labeling us as team that doesn't know how to play proper football.

Fact 2:
Until that post of gto87, we didn't butt in and post anything!

Fact 3:
I don't see anyone insulting Real Madrid.And yes, the "aiyak x3" means nothing to me.You are over exaggerating.

Fact 4:
You accuse us of insulting Real Madrid fans where we didn't

Fact 5:
You then generalize us when there is only one(none in my opinion because aiyakx3 really means nothing)bad poster.

gto87 already apologize for his post that sounds harsh to our team.I believe you also owe us apology, no?

For
1.Accusing us.
2.Generalize us
3.Your flame baiting post that might start a war between Madrid fans and Liverpool fans.

Again, your assumption doesn't count here.We don't give a crap on your assumption.You were lazy to check out the whole thing(even after I advised you to check it out) and started accusing and generalizing us all based on one post that I think you are over sensitive about.Thus, I believe you owe us your apology.Then again, you got right not to apologize


P.S:I sounds like Rafa with all those FAHCTS

This post has been edited by solstice818: Feb 27 2009, 01:43 PM