That was a really bad news for trainee... Warehouse and Central tools store bored like hell especially warehouse can't learn much things there. 737 and Myanmar aircraft only? They don't come frequently when the time I do my practical there, and sometimes not 'e' check so trainee couldn't work on it as well.

Trainees are not allowed to 'touch' from the legal point of view.
They are not employees of SAE, as such they are not approved under SAE quality system to work on ANY aircraft for that matter. The approval that SAE gained from DCA and subsequent audit and approval from AirAsia (or other airlines) did not cover any work from any trainees. Only approved employees/staffs of SAE.

Now you see why?

Really? Mind sharing what incident that caused them to become like that? Looks like many things changed since I've done my OJT there.

Warehouse OK lah, get to familiarise with aircraft spare parts and get to know the workflow when people requests for parts, get to know how some items are kept in a temperature-controlled room etc.

So technically speaking as a trainee you're not supposed to work on any aircraft and instead just stand by and observe?

Technically you're NOT a competent person to work on any aircraft. Correct?
Anyway, for the intent and purpose of collecting work schedules, you need not have to be really HANDS ON on that particular task. Sufficient for you to find out details of the work being done, why is done, how was it done and very importantly how is the paperwork cleared.
As an assessor, when I am assessing you lets say an engine change, I do not expect you as a trainee to be doing the main/leading job, merely what's the job involved, the process of getting the job done.
Many can't answer a simple question like,
'Must the aircraft be straight and level to do an engine change?' or
'Can you do an engine change if the aircraft is on jacks?'

Bear in mind that it is more than just writing 'a work schedule'.
When assessing you, I am not interested about the details of the job... guess what I will be looking at?

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jun 11 2013, 04:47 PM

Safety aspect?

Very good!
1. Safety.

Now elaborate. What safety aspects?

Before answering, you are answering as a License Aircraft Maintenance Engineer. Your answer should reflect what you will see,think and act as one.

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jun 11 2013, 06:20 PM

-To ensure safety for all personnel who will be directly or non directly working on the a/c and people around us.
-to make sure all personnel understand all the task procedure including on tools usage and chemical compound.
-making sure the company asset are being use in safe manner and economic way.
-to make sure all personnel understand the evacuation procedure in the emergency event.

Pls correct me if I'm wrong.

What i know is AA don't allowed. haha

From my point of views, there are three main points:
(i)Enviroment Safety
(ii)Personal Safety
(iii)Tool Safety

Enviroment Safety involve surrounding area and possible danger/hazard nearby such as unintended personnel, proper workplace, clearance, aftermath housekeeping such as consumeable, etc.

Personal Safety involve necessary attire such as safety equipments (glove, goggle, ear defender,etc), qualification for that specific job (knowledge, experience or supervision needed), etc

Tool Safety involve proper tooling & handling, serviceable & calibration (using unserviceable tool could be FATAL)


This is brief safety concept/mindset that is pick-up during OJT from a senior.
Working SAFETY is utmost priority, efficient & proper working is second priority.



This is not complete, hope someone could give me advice on SAFETY.

A very good start!

Lets move on. Whats next?

aw.... that beats me.

From what I know, after safety would be knowledge, experience & procedure which directly related to working efficiency.

We should follow the maintenance manual or relevant manual(eg.:TSM, wiring manual) for that specific job, including using serviceable and proper tool for the job such as use proper sizing spanar(avoid using lazyman/adjustable spanar)

Well, follow instructions also important as well as teamwork. Building good and proper relationship between team ensure efficient operation of job.

Sounds good to me.
Lets talk about your Technical Documents.
Explain.

hm... I'm not so familiar with Technical Documents, hope you give some advice on me.

What is Technical Documents you mean ? about AMM, TSM, IPC, MMEL, MEL ? or CRS, ARC, CoR, etc ? Sorry I don't have the idea what technical documents about, but wish to learn alot from this thread.

Boy.. you're in trouble!

haha, then are you willing to help me out of this trouble ? I would be appreciate if you would do that

I won't do it here... too many silent readers that should participate and contribute but did not... Let's be fair here.
I however are willing to help and guide, at your own time and other expense BUT no charge from me, subject to my availability. Certain things need to be guided personally and this is one of the apsects..
Get hold of maryjane9996, he knows where and how to get in touch with me.

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jun 12 2013, 05:11 PM

I guess I'm guilty of that

Afraid of saying the wrong things as my knowledge in this subject is also quite limited so I thought I could just learn from reading the discussions here. Very informative indeed reading this thread.

Remember this.
The process of learning will only be complete when you apply the knowledge.

When and how would you know?

This is where a proper advice/guide/pointer from an experienced person helps.

Reading alone is NOT good enough.

Having a license is not an indication that you're a good engineer.

Guess what is?

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jun 12 2013, 11:49 PM

Yes I agree with that, and about asking for advice/guides/pointers, I don't know where to start, too many to ask for me especially since I had not even completed my air legislation module yet which is why I decide to stay low for awhile as my knowledge is very limited especially when compared to seniors here like maryjane or you

About the last sentence, should be good work attitude, ability to work in a team and just generally how a person look at problems and solutions?

This post has been edited by Nightstalker1993: Jun 13 2013, 03:41 AM

Hm... just one of my senior told me: A engineer would not achieve anything if relationship between him/her & technician is not good.
"Engineer should trust his/her technicians" is what I have heard. Although I think it is uncomplete statement for 'good quality engineer'.

Experience and learning attitude is one part of it too. (Fresh engineer may have not done that specific job anyway, thus need to get guidance from senior LAE) Sometimes there are things just aren't straight in the AMM, but experience give you a way to solve it fast and good.


Example: