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Engineering Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME), Guide & everything about this career!

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Nightstalker1993
post Jan 10 2011, 10:41 PM

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Hey guys, i'm interested in the Aircraft Maintenence Engineering course provided by NILAI University College. Just wondering, what do you guys think about it? In the first post some said the course is not really well known but that was written in 09' so it might be outdated.

I just paid NILAI UC a visit this afternoon and spent a good couple of hours there with the counselor and spoke to the lecturer there. The campus seems to be a nice place and there are living apartments within the campus plus wifi throughout the campus.

Environment wise i'm satisfied, but what about the course? In the first post it says that msia uses the BCAR system and does not acknowledge the EASA system is that correct? While on NILAI UC's website it says that msia is also recognising the EASA system. I'm asking this because i plan to work locally after i graduate so if the course isn't ackowledged by our local airlines then there isn't a point for me to enter that college anymore.

Thanks guys! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 11 2011, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 11 2011, 12:35 AM)
Malaysia or in this case our DCA since 1st. January 2011, is now using DCA's Part 66 as the new syllabus replacing BCAR Section L.
This Part 66 is an adaptation of EASA-66 syllabus.

If you intend to work in Malaysia, you obviously need the AML (Aircraft Maintenance Licence) issued by DCA Malaysia before being offered any job to enable you to work on Malaysian registered aircraft.

As far as DCA is concerned, licenses issued by these countries are recognised to be converted to DCA's Part 66 AML: Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand and CAA UK. Prior the grant, you need to sit and pass the Module 10 - Air Legislation.

My recent chat with the DCA surveyor in charge(and the Director of Airworthiness) has indicated that the CAA UK's license may no be longer recognized in near future as they (the UK) is no longer using BCAR as the basis of their legislation, which was earlier recognized by DCA as the basis of commonality.

Having said that consider your EASA-66 programme with Nilai College.
You will be doing the theory part and taking exams with the CAA UK's recognized training organization (Kingston University, Nilai College as an approved second site).
As far as satisfying the issuance of the LWTR, you need a 2 year OJT/Practical with a EASA's PART 145 maintenance organization. The ONLY EASA Part 145 Maintenance Organization in Malaysia is MAS. Ask, where would Nilai College send you for the required OJT? Getting OJT with any EU countries is next to impossible, either they don't offer jobs to foreigners or it's going to be really costly for the OJT session). Without this, you will not be issued with the licence, the certificate of completion of the modules will then expire after 5 years after the first exam result and hence you will have no chance of getting the required LWTR and subsequently the appropriate job.

There are only 5 ATOs (Approved Training Organization) in Malaysia. They are MIAT, APR-Aviation Training Centre, METC, MATA and (recently) APFT.

I would ask you to seriously consider the options available before making any grave mistakes that may cost you, precious time,effort and monies.
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Thanks for your awesome reply bro! Really appreciate you taking your time and replying my question notworthy.gif

Anyway, i just got introduced into Aircraft Maintenance Engineering today and i only started researching when i came back from NUC just now so my knowledge currently is kinda raw now so forgive me if i ask anything inappropriate laugh.gif

So what you're saying is if i can understand, is that studying in NUC isn't a bad choice since msia is gonna use the EASA system is that right? Only thing i need to worry about is where will i be sent for my OJT since i need at least 2 years OJT to get my license? Just now when i was talking to the lecturer, he told me i needed 5 years of working experience to get my EASA license and not 2 years worr. Now i'm kinda confused rclxub.gif

Anyway, i've got the lecturer's phone number so i'll give him a call tomorrow asking where will I be sent for OJT after completing the course. The lecturer's name is Virender Singh Dahiya from India if not mistaken. Rings any bell by any chance? laugh.gif
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post Jan 11 2011, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 11 2011, 07:34 AM)
Not at all.
Yes, you will need 5 years OJT if the OJT placement is not a Part 145 approved. This has been spelled out in the syllabus. Now why would you want to do that?

1. If you go with DCA's Part 66 syllabus, in 5 years you are already an established LICENSED ENGINEER
2. Since your OJT is NOT in an approved establishment by the EASA, you're risking that it may not be acceptable. Remember your work schedule/OJT need to be assessed/validated by an EASA Part 66 license holder.
3. You're on your own during this time, without guidance and structured programme, failure can be imminent.
4. How would you enter this OJT place(if local) as you will be competing with other students with license in their possession? The industry requires license holders to work in the aircraft industry, not a diploma or a degree.
5. You're risking that the CAA UK issued license is no longer recognized by the DCA. This is going to happen. You have been warned.

Talk to existing license holders or students in the licensing programme, NOT an academic lecturer or instructor. With all due respect, they're not in the system and industry and would not know how exactly the industry work and what it takes to be a license engineer.
They can't, simply because they're not one!  laugh.gif

I know no one from the academic institutions.
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Ouch. Thanks for your explanation bro! Guess NILAI isn't as good as i think it is eh? Haha!

So now i'm serious about this profession, if you were me, which college will you enter? I know MIAT is a good place to go but i heard its mostly bumis? I don't mind mixing with other races, just fear of racism there sad.gif

and honestly, i know no one who are currently in the same industry. So i'm kinda on my own now in terms of support from family/friends.

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post Jan 11 2011, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 11 2011, 12:31 PM)
Not at all.
You must remember Nilai like MIAT is bundling the licence with a diploma programme.
The difference is that MIAT is an approved training organization by DCA Malaysia while Nilai is not. Nilai College however has join venture with Kingston University to offer EASA Part 66 licence. The theory part is pretty much okay, what I would worry is getting the required mandatory OJT as explained earlier.

Honestly MIAT do have non-bumis graduates. I believe they are under self financing. No issues with racism there as I have been there.
Another issue with MIAT is that at the end of the course, the students if they passed the DCA exams will be issued FROZEN LICENCE as they have NOT completed the mandatory 2 years OJT. They have to somehow join the industry, collect the work schedules, submit and get it approved by the DCA then the licence will be UNFROZEN.
Again I have to stress that getting placement for the OJT is not easy. Just with the diploma you are only  employed as junior technician in MAS. While working, you're trying to collect the required workschedules and this is entirely unstructured and unguided affair which again may risks rejection from DCA. I think just for OJT alone MAS is charging RM30/40 a day and multiply that for 2 years and see if you can afford it. SAE (Sepang Aircraft Engineering) however is charging RM300 for the first month and RM200 for subsequent months.. this is strictly OJT. I hope you have solid financial sources to do this.

Personally you're better off with an institution that concentrates on licensing, ie APR and METC(Dilog) as an example. They are fully structured for theory and practical and their students would have no problems in getting the DCA's AML.
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wow, again thanks for the detailed explanation! Luckily you're here man else i guess it'll take me weeks to find out what you had provided me in a day! notworthy.gif so to cut short, the most straight forward way in obtaining a license is to enter APR or METC and skip those UC's diploma and degree is that correct? icon_rolleyes.gif

anyway, just did a search and is this the APR that you mentioned?

http://aeroprecision.com.my/training/index.htm

seems to be pretty organised especially the FAQ page which answers most of my questions about the place rclxms.gif Might be calling them up soon enough and might pay them a visit icon_rolleyes.gif

METC stands for Malaysia Airlines Engineering Training Center, is that correct? If so, i couldn't find any information about it online rclxub.gif

edit: just did a deeper search which led me to flylah, is this the METC(dilog) you mentioned? icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.dilog.com.my/

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post Jan 14 2011, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 11 2011, 08:32 PM)
Not true.
Minimum is SPM with strong credit in English, Maths and Science subjects.
Verify your facts before posting inaccurate informations.
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Thats good to know. I just finished my SPM last year and currently awaiting results laugh.gif

btw, is it ok if a chinese like me request to join APR? i see their website they mentioned that APR is a totally-100% bumiputra owned company and i see all the photos, all of them were bumis rclxub.gif

QUOTE(muh_is @ Jan 13 2011, 01:48 PM)
APR will be conducting assesment tests and interview for TAME january intake this Saturday (15th Jan). Maybe you can give it a try? Just fill in the form which can be downloaded from their website, and bring along all relevant documents smile.gif
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january intake would be too early for me as I have my NS somewhere end of march/early april which will run for 2~3 months. And currently i'm awaiting for my SPM results to come out somewhere mid-march.
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post Jan 14 2011, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 14 2011, 02:30 PM)
Hehe I know! wink.gif
I can merely quote what has been mentioned by DCA is that the first 2 modules is RM200 and RM100 per subsequent module.
You're welcome.
I see no issues with chinese or indian joining the APR programme as long as you satisfy the entry requirements.
Yes, it's 100% owned by a bumi and most of the students there are bumis because they are under MARA loan.
There are a few chinese and indian studying there under self financing hence the low numbers.

If I were you I would want to start early and get my licence as soon as possible as time is an essence and this will increase my chances of getting the best job early!
If you are self sponsored, surely you(and APR) can use the trial exam results as a basis of entry. Would your actual SPM results be worst than your trial? I don't think so! The SPM standards are way to low honestly! laugh.gif

Think about it and if in doubt just call APR or visit them to get a clearer picture.

Wishing you all the best.
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Owh really? Thats good to know laugh.gif Yea i will start this year of course, i see they have their May intake on 28th of May so most probably i'll be joining that batch laugh.gif And yeap i'm self sponsored but my trial examination's marks are really not that good. English got an A, BM got barely a B and Physics i got around 58~62 can't really recall. All of which i'm expecting an A for my SPM laugh.gif

will call them soon enough. Thanks for your help bro! icon_rolleyes.gif notworthy.gif

and i see you're into audiophiles as well tongue.gif
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post Jan 20 2011, 01:31 AM

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Just checked with APR Aviation Training Center. Its RM90k for a 4 year course smile.gif

might pay them a visit somewhere next month laugh.gif
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post Mar 29 2011, 12:56 AM

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Long time never step in here already tongue.gif laugh.gif

just got my SPM results few days ago and it's pretty satisfactory for me laugh.gif

should be paying APR a visit somewhere next week i guess with a friend of mine along to check out the place and ask some more questions laugh.gif

btw jazz, are you by any chance, torx, in flylah forum? tongue.gif laugh.gif

the way you and him replies looks pretty much the same laugh.gif
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post Mar 29 2011, 01:35 AM

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Seriously after reading so many posts from here and flylah, jazzy and torx seems to be the exact same dude tongue.gif laugh.gif

anyway, just applied for APR's october intake! Hope i'll be accepted laugh.gif

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post Mar 29 2011, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 29 2011, 05:38 AM)
Why are you applying Mechanics Level 1?
Shouldn't you be applying TAME instead?

Whoa you guys also in Flylah? thumbup.gif
OK, I just repeat what torx posted wink.gif
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I'm not too sure. I just followed according to this career path provided on the site

http://www.aeroprecision.com.my/training/cpath.htm

and it says that the first step after SPM is Aircraft Mechanic Level 1 worr rclxub.gif

and nope, i havent even registered yet. Just doing tons of research there on NILAI UC and APR and a few other places tongue.gif

my future is in my hands yo! Better not screw it up LOL laugh.gif

so jazzy aka torx, what you think i should do now? sweat.gif

edit: just looked at the roadmap again, looks like only those with diploma/degree in Aeronautical can apply directly into the TAME program

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post Mar 29 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 29 2011, 02:15 PM)
Thats an old road map! laugh.gif
Please apply for TAME. This April inbtake is for self-financed students.
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LOL serious?! Damn them never update their site laugh.gif guess the best is still to go there in person laugh.gif
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post Mar 30 2011, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(amalwarez @ Mar 29 2011, 11:42 PM)
Hi.

I have got an interview with APR this Saturday. There will be a aptitude test and practical test.
But I dont understand about aptitude test. Someone please help me to post something about the test.
What type of the questions they will ask? Any related subject? Thanks~ smile.gif

BTW, I take LICENSED AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE ENGINEER course. smile.gif
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I thought its Trainee Aircraft Maintenence Engineer course?

Just called up APR too. Apparently there will be an open interview this saturday i think. 9am right?

Now thinking what to wear and what to prepare sweat.gif

will be going there with my friend who originally wanted to go to Nilai and i managed to pull him to come join me in APR instead LOL laugh.gif
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post Mar 31 2011, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 30 2011, 05:14 PM)
You should wear 'office attire'. Long sleeves and a necktie and leather shoes are expected. wink.gif
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No difference compared to a job interview I guess laugh.gif

QUOTE(amalwarez @ Mar 31 2011, 12:08 AM)
yup. this saturday around 9 a.m. 2 April. got friend? can i join you? thumbup.gif
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Join me how? We'll still be meeting there either way right? laugh.gif

I might reach there early though. From my place have to pass through federal highway which is usually jam-packed at that hour so have to leave quite early else will be late >.<

QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 31 2011, 12:29 AM)
May be I should drop by APR and check it out and see how you guys do. I have some friends there, a good opportunity to say 'hello'... wink.gif
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Really? That would be great! Sifu in the house! LOL laugh.gif

but how do we know which one there is you? hmm.gif

Btw, any idea how long will the interview run and what documents to prepare? My work starts at 1pm >.<

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post Apr 1 2011, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 31 2011, 11:33 PM)
I have no idea? Asked if anyone knew jazzy? laugh.gif
I doubt it..

Documents? Just bring the usual certs., ie SPM results etc.

I think the interview will start after lunch so if you work at 1pm better take leave.. tongue.gif
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Or you mind pming me your phone number? Or you just keep an eye for a big chinese dude. I should be wearing my allessandro on that day laugh.gif

Wahhh start so late ar? Then why have to be there by 9? hmm.gif guess I might have to take emergency leave rclxub.gif


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post Apr 1 2011, 05:28 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 1 2011, 12:23 AM)
Based on previous intakes, morning sessions will consists of assessment and practical tests.. upon successful completion, an interview.
I called APR, there has been 140 applications for 20 slots! Don't think all would come though.. tongue.gif
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Btw, any idea what kinda tests will they be running? I have very little knowledge on aircrafts so i'm kinda afraid of that sweat.gif

And you need to apply only can ar? I didn't apply for anything worr and i'm actually applying for the October intake, not the July intake which is the next intake rclxub.gif
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post Apr 1 2011, 12:52 PM

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I called them they say it was for the July intake worr rclxub.gif

and i've got NS from 15 May -> 30th July so i'm not sure when will be the next interview be
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post Apr 2 2011, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(amalwarez @ Apr 1 2011, 02:04 PM)
wah jazzy! 140 applications for April intake? Hope i will be the lucky one! Pray for me~ biggrin.gif
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I'm applying for October intake. Hope they don't just ask me go home sad.gif

QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Apr 1 2011, 02:50 PM)
Next intake according to their calandar is July and October.

Good luck to those who are going!

I will be there tomorrow wearing white shirt.. wink.gif
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Later go there see all also wearing white shirt laugh.gif

i should be there with my alessandro's. should be easy to spot laugh.gif


Added on April 2, 2011, 9:14 amJust came back from APR. Today's interview ONLY for April intake sad.gif

see you guys back in September then when the interview for the October intake takes place! laugh.gif

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post Sep 30 2011, 10:42 PM

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Anybody going to APR's interview tomorrow? I'll be there laugh.gif
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post Oct 1 2011, 12:02 AM

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Yeap that's what i read. Hope I pass for the assessment test >.<

I'm the dude who posted on APR's wall LOL laugh.gif

you going bro? tongue.gif
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post Oct 1 2011, 12:19 AM

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yeah i know that. But the April assessment test if not mistaken you went down to have a look right? tongue.gif laugh.gif

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