hmm i wonder why is it gone
curious

btw here's the link
originally posted by kevin77

http://www.aircraft-licence.com/Librarythankyou.html

Aren't those graduate from MIAT and NUC shld get the LWTR?

thx bro

its getting more n more complicated...
im still confuse on which path to choose...time is running up 4 me...
i read thru the part 66, bt its so somplicating

BCAR Section L is simpler!

a few days ago i almost believe there are some improvement of understanding about this licensing matter. now we almost back at the start again. i sense that this thread has become a place to pour out frustration of those who already working but not yet 'there'. this outpour of feelings can cause confusion if u don't really know how the whole industry works.

i agree with jazzy, BCAR is simple to understand. and there is a difference of being lazy or hardworking. even EASA would look tough if u are not hardworking enough. lazy n undecided are two major things that delayed people from getting what they want.

Better regret doing than regret NOT doing it - quoted from

yep no doubt, BCAR section L is much simpler. EASA is supposedly easiest way to get multiple trades in shorter time.

There is no arguments to that!
Again, you must understand how and why the existence of EASA in the first place.
Some history learning of air legislation would help...

hey guyz help me out abit here la....is ADVANCE AERONAUTICS TRAINING CENTRE(AATC) in ipoh (www.aatamalaysia.com ) is ok or not... im ruining out of also here...SPM is going to come out very soon... so guyz lets help each other... sharing is caring...

and sorry i didt post back the link...ive been buzy for few days so azameel thanks for posting back the link...

an excerpt from my blog, bare in mind that I wrote this 2 months ago, so some info might be outdated, it's just a basic outline.

Alright I was asked this question so many times, hence I decided to just write one basic guide and I can just point those who are curious about it to this blog (and maybe a few other links).

1) Reminder: I’m not writing about UK license, or Europe License (EASA/JAR). This is under BCAR section L which is obsolete in the mentioned areas but there are means to convert the license that you’ve obtained under the BCAR. Ok remember just the basics, if you wanna know more about BCAR, gotta go to DCA itself. In Malaysia, we adopt whatever that was written in the CAA/BCAR and call it MCAR (Malaysian Civil Aviation Regulation)1996.

2) What is this profession about?

This depends on where you work. If you work in a small company such as a training school, private organisations, etc, an LAE will have to handle alot of jobs from maintenance job, to administration, aircraft registration, liasing with aircraft manufacturers, liasing with the DCA(M) basically you are the one who will play a big role in said places (you are the QA, you are the tech service guy and even tech publication!). In a big company such as MAS, if you are on the floor, your concerns are mainly about the serviceability of the aircraft. The rest of the tasks will be taken care of by various other departments. To be honest all of these came from the top of my head. So friends who are from the same field, do correct me if theres any false information.

2)There are 5 main trades offered in this job. Airframe (A), Engine ©, Electrical(E), Instrument(I), and Radio®. To get a license in one trade, you will have to pass 2 levels of examination. 1st level, is written exam, multiple choice questions plus essays. 2nd Level, is after you’ve passed the 1st one, oral session with a DCA surveyor. Both levels will cover the technical part with respect to the trade that you’ve applied for and Air Legislation.

3) Now to qualify for the examination is a lengthy process. You have to be in the industry, have worked on the aircraft for at least 4 years (there are some leeways for approved training schools, 3 years I was told give and take). Along the duration, you’ll have to write down the work that you’ve done as a proof of your involvement which will be submitted together with the application form for the examination.

4) If you got 0 experience working on the aircraft, then you’ll have to start from below, i.e:

a) join a Trainee Aircraft Maintenance Engineer Program which as far I’m concerned is only provided by several organisations.

a.1: Malaysian Airlines-5 years apprenticeship, minimum qualification:SPM, FOC but of course you gotta sign a bond agreement.

a.2: Aeroprecision Resources-Aviation Training Centre; 3 years program, minimum qualification diploma or degree in related fields. Just an fyi, I’m from this institution. They had some legal problems early on, but now I believe everything has been cleared up. RM 60k fee, you can either apply for MARA loan or bank loans. www.aeroprecision.com.my

a.3: MIAT-to be honest, I’m not sure of their status since they are under UniKL, I heard from some of the MIAT trainees that I’ve met, they have been approved by the DCA, your best bet is to go and ask MIAT yourself.

Under these programs, you’ll spend maybe like 3 months in the classroom followed by 3 months OJT (on-the-job-training). For MAS trainees, you’ll either be sent to KLIA or Subang Hangar, for MIAT/APR trainees you’ll be sent to wherever there’s aircraft maintenance operation *grin*.

5) I’m afraid if you only got a diploma/degree, you cant work on the aircraft yet. You can work in other departments for example: Technical Services. You gotta have some basic technical training from approved programs/schools before you are allowed to carry out any tasks related to aircraft maintenance.

6) Salary? It’s good, really good, but it’s not easy to get. Your license is ‘laku’ almost anywhere except maybe a few places (U.S.A-they use a totally different system and countries that use a similar system). Yeah the money is good, but with big pay come big responsibility. Oh yeah LAE license/pilot’s license is equivalent to a bachelor’s degree, so you can straightaway go for masters program (in related field) after you’ve got your license. I read somewhere on the net, that aircraft maintenance industry is one of the industries that is recession proof so yeah it’s a good job indeed.


More questions post it here or send me a message. Ciao

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Added on February 27, 2009, 12:35 pmhey kev, care to elaborate more about the program offered by aatc? I went there many many years ago, scouting for lwtr program, they failed to convince me that time.

This post has been edited by Johny123: Feb 27 2009, 12:35 PM

just to add some positive thought
the whole world is in short of LAME
since the aircraft all over the world is getting more and more
and trust me, it would be an interesting career

I believe u mean we adopted UK ANO, tweak it n became MCAR.
A handful of miat diploma students has has gone thru the exams (it's not compulsory to go for license) and some got their red book already. there are also new programs going on but hasn't put out result yet.
i can see the advantages of training school that offer diploma. i can apply for job and work with airplanes n i got a diploma on my wall. to be able to sit for license exam is a big bonus. (Kevin, which of these things, AATC of ipoh can offer?) other kind of diploma are almost useless but can be used to qualify for other training program such as in MAS, AA or APR, which eventually put u on the road towards beautiful sunset...with a red book in your pocket

Johny, how's your training with APR going on? On the road towards beautiful sunset...with a red book already in your pocket?

Ahh thanks Lestat, knew I had something not quite right regarding the legislation. Oh ya good to know that MIAT has been producing a steady stream of LAEs too.

I'm waiting for the exam result atm, quite anxious. I was told by alot of people, always expect the worst haha.

The training was ok, we were sent to almost everywhere, I mean I was even attached to the QA/Tech Serv/Tech Pub not just hangar/line operations . All in all really depends on individual effort still.

u mean those diploma ee, chemical, mechatronic?

after been everywhere, u should know how actually your company works, it's good thing actually.
come on, u can already expect the result when u opened the exam papers. unless u are at 50-50 chances. ONLY THEN, luck will help.


Yep. But, there are small maintenance company that do recruit regardless of the academic paper. but they insist u to go for short basic maintenance course. other than that, it's just a qualifying academic level (though what u already learned sometimes help in the program).

i dont much about it...but in preety sure that you WILL be lwtr with uk dregee .....y dont u check thier website and call aatc... its easa not malaysian dca that much i call tell u .... but its the best choice for me right now if not for mas,aaa,and apr...its something like apr but thiers is easa and mean while apr is dca....

This will help alot.
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er guys is this branch of engineering basically aeronautical/aerospace engineer, in other words?

NOPE! And that is in CAPS!

any1 know about AATC...and get a job after u came out from this place.....pppppplllllllllzzzzzzzz reply.....

I do, but my knowledge with regard to EASA is pretty limited due to my own laziness in doing the research. As far as I'm concerned, for those who got their EASA license in the UK, need only to take Air Legislation examination here in Malaysia to convert it to DCA license. I'm not sure about the locally conducted courses in terms of international recognition and approval.

It would help if you could list down the details of their program. Duration, syllabus, OJT period and all that.

If you got any of these licenses through recognized means, you don't have to worry about job vacancy.