LAE job is to certify maintenance work, eg: a component is to be changed , u will have a group of mechanic working for u, you instruct them what to do, observe it, once it done u have to approve it, then if anything happen on that component or a/c crash due to that task u approve, they will look for you, you'll be held responsible
and another one is to carry out inspection, repairs, mods etc (all this is the simplest way of explanation)

The pay is different for each airlines, but for MAS, it should be around 3k+ without overtime for a fresh LAE with a single aircraft type rating.The allowance will be paid depending on how many trade (A,C,E,I,R) and how many type rating (737,747,a330,777, etc). Air asia should be more i think. For contract/expatriate LAE, they earn a lot. I've seen
a foreign contract lae, who worked in MAS who got around RM100+ to around RM200 per hour.

Type of license/rating available

For Bcar Section L

A-Airframe(Structure of the aircraft)
C-Engine

E-Electrical
I-Instrument
R-Radio

usually A and C is combined and E, I, R is combined

For Easa

Cat B1 for A,C,E
Cat B2 For E.I.R

Reference on becoming LAME using EASA system

Engineer's Licensing Guidance Document (ELGD)

Three basic ways of obtaining license via Easa system

1.Obtain it yourself-Need 5 years of aircraft experience (workschedule) and completion of all the EASA modules
2.Obtaining the license through a Part 147 EASA approved training school, Completion of all the Modules and 2 yrs of experience(workschedule)
3.Obtain it through Nilai, Miat, Metc, APR -Not so sure on this one (got Easa and Bcar), Need SPM and maybe some Diploma as well

If any information is wrong, kindly enlighten me

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 3 2009, 06:33 PM

Even i also got confused where this thread belong to, it is a mixed up of both section.

BillySteel, as far as i know, you have to start all over again, because diploma / degree doesnt count in the licensing system.

or you could opt for Technical Service Engineers which requires a degree holder or Cat C Easa which im not familliar at all

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 3 2009, 01:33 AM

First of all dont get confuse, while we may called it a LAME, easa system classify lae as a technician. So basically mechanics = junior tech./mechanic and LAME = Service Technician


- Bcar section L license or Easa Part 66 Cat B1/B2 License,
-Experience is needed to obtain the license, no education qualification
needed for the license, but for the Nilai, Miat etc, depends on their
program

2. To obtain the license there is two best way, either by Miat, Nilai, Metc,
Apr etc. these are local institution. You need SPM for this
For The other option, The part 147 one, i think it is not available locally,
try to look for it on the net.But its i going to be expensive without any
loan.For both of this program, you will follow the
Institution program, no need to do anything else other than completing
the program, everything should be instructed by them.


-Easa requirement is completion of all easa ,module/courses/subject
and 2 yr (for part 147) or 5 years(for self obtained license) of experience
-For BCAR, refer here BCAR SECTION L and also download and read this AN5 - Application For Malaysian Aircaft Maintenance Engineers Licence and also this AN85 - Approval Of Training Organisations


- DCA is Department of Civil Aviation or JPA, Jabatan Penerbangan
Awam, it is the local aviation authorities, BCAR is British Civil
Airworthiness Requirements whisch is simillar to Easa, but later on
Easa will be replacing it.Part 147 is just a code name of an Easa
Approved training school.


We are them, but usually we dont do the dirty jobs, we just instruct
them to do the task, but a good LAE should be involved in the job,
since it is your responsibility if anything goes wrong, not the
mechanic.But it all depends on the task, if it were a simple task we
just instruct them to, then we have to inspect once it is done and
approved it. If it is a major job, LAE involvement on the task should
be more.

Flight Engineers is those who are in the cockpit during flight, ypu can see a third person in the cockpit whose job is to monitor all the aircraft system,but it is now almost obsolete since most aircarft now only need tow crew to fly. Flight engineer is replaced by computers

Tech service engineer are those who need to do calculation and all.Simillar to a normal engineer.If some modification is needed but not available in the Maintenance Manual, they are the one who should handle this, whether by coming out with their own solution or directly from the manufacturer (Boeing, Airbus).Salary im not sure

*Update on license/rating at my first post

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 4 2009, 11:20 PM

I have no right to answer you question, cause im still under training as well,same like you.
But IMHO, just continue the degree first, but LAME wont be suitable for u anymore. Since got degree maybe you prefer to become Tech Service Engineer. And getting a license from a junior tech is not easy as it looks,
you will get tempted to do overtime(no time to study or take license), or maybe get settled down with the current condition etc, you need a big motivation to upgrade to lae.But nothing is impossible

LAME is License Aircraft Maintenance Engineer
TAME is Trainee Aircraft Maintenance Engineer
METC is Malaysia Airlines Engineering Training Centre

TAME study for Bcar secton L license
METC started of with EASA license system, but not sure currently still continuing Easa or had revert to BCAR

For TAME in MAS, there is no more intake, they train the new tame through METC, but sadly, METC only take FELDA people, since it is some sort of partnership program.

If im not air asia had a TAME program of their own, try to look around

i dont quite understand the workschedule part.What should be registered?
What Work paper?

yup, maybe my explanation is a bit confusing,
not even a diploma, im an spm leaver and currently pursuing LAME
for the license there is no educational requirement, but it depends on the institution or the employer like u mentioned

1)That is called workschedule, you were like me, i started of collecting workschedule for the easa cap 741 but now i have to change to dca workschedule, you just collect the task and signature first, at least you'll be prepared early,

usually people withh degree doesnt become lame, they will pursue for technical service engineer instead.

It is not a long struggle, you have to very hardworking then you should have no problem. Which is kind of my problem, a bit lazy


in my opininion,the best way is to work first, get enough experience/workschedule and go for easa exams

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 3 2009, 11:06 PM

There you go, a complete guide on BCAR section L by jazzy939.

To be a LAME u need the License. not diploma/degree or others.
that is the only requirement for a LAME

The license can be obtained using The BCAR Section L like what jazzy939 state down and another option would be through the EASA PART66 Personnel Licensing

There is some college/uni which offer this program such as the NILAI COLLEGE which is using the EASA PART66 or METC, MIAT etc

From what i know metc only brings felda people in, no intake for public.Few of the instructor are ex-mas. but I do see METC trainee having courses in MAS training school. If they fail they arent allowed to take license, maybe they are downgraded to become junior tech./mech

JohnMax, what are you doing right now actually?

by right guy E should be the fastest way



this is not very true, it may seems like it, but trust me, it isnt anything near that
well, actually it depends on the airline training school

JohnMax , i think Nilai College aircraft maintenance program should suit you

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 4 2009, 10:56 PM

ASU is Apron Service Unit
Those are the lae who have to inspect the aircraft during transit check (not sure what term is best used)
but you can see ASU lae when u board the aircraft, meaning the lae who checks the a/c before it departs/takeoff

Working Environment, i think its ok, not dirty, no smelly thing etc, unless you work with waste system,or when an old crappy aircaft just came in, but overall is
ok, except the grease part ,
you work in a hangar, so it is not so hot, but there is no aircond except for EIR guy. from my observation lae spend half the time in office an another half on aircraft.

better wait for an lae to answer it

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 5 2009, 12:33 AM

that is not correct, there is a lot of race/nationality, got chinese from hongkong/china summore, people from sudan,mauritius,france,ireland,india,indonesia,phillipine and a lot more, but most of this are contract lae or expatriate.

for staff there is a mixed up of all races for lae,

one correction, which is my mistake,

the type of license,
there is no E and I, it should be X and R
we called it as E and I,
but officially, according too bcar it is X

plz someone correct me tho if im wonrg,
coz a bit confused on the cat X

and for



just add in with minimum 2400 hours of instruction/course

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 5 2009, 01:39 AM

from my post

from jazzy939 extracted from bcar section L

try to compare it, there is no E and I in the bcar section L,
there is only A, C, X, and R

jazzy939, can you enlighten me on the Cat X license,
for electrical trade, which is the correct category?
i always listen people say E and I only or EIR,
never heard of CAT X other than the one in the bcar section L

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 5 2009, 07:47 PM

OMG. The selection is a lot harder than Tame Mas

LWTR is License Without Type Rating you cannot work on aircraft yet, you need to have the type rating.
Let say if you got a A licence from DCA, you cant work on any aircraft yet, then you take the 737-400 type rating,
now u can work on the aircraft already, but only on the task you can approved (Airframe), you cant work on the engine.If you take the C license, now u can work on both of A and C, if you want to work on other aircraft
eg 777-200, you need to take the 777 type rating, which means u will get more coverage, and more allowances.

Both Easa and Bcar license is called LWTR,
but the type rating is issued by the company eg Mas, Air Asia etc.

So after you grads, you still need to undergo training, it is the type rating, and company courses

If im not mistaken, converting from Easa to Bcar license is just the matter of sitting for a Air Legislation paper.
For Bcar license, we need to change to Easa later on, cause DCA are in the way of converting to Easa

For Mas they only take LAE with type rating only.

If you got an Easa license, you can easily look for jobs overseas

which company is this? i thought the basic is 2k+, +Rm1000 technical allowance +Rm1xx Shift Allowance +RM50 Laundry Allowance + Dunno what else, first type rating wont get allowance

If u got a wide body license for (second type rating n above), i heard the allowance is RM1000
and for narrow body is Rm500



This is a big no-no in aviation, if you dont know, ask someone who knows (not in exam), never hesitate, you'll be playing with hundreds of life, you must get it 100% right, you shouldnt be playing with chances

a quote i heard from someone


This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 7 2009, 12:47 AM

yup,(for EASA) you study B1, once you finished it you have to take the conversion exam (air leg) than you will get the LWTR im not sure which one is the fastest, maybe we have to wait for lestat race to finish
but basically it should be around 5 years in average.

to obtain the type rating, we need the recommendation from the foreman, than we will have the type courses, than we should then take the exam by the company, there is written and oral exam.but if we work at ASU, getting new type is easy, since time is limited in ASU so they prefer lae to have multi coverage

the more type rating you got the more allowance you got,


i have no solid reference, but thats what i heard from training school and from a lot of people in MAS
thats why i started of with Easa license, but then revert to Bcar since mas training school couldnt get part 147.
they even changed the maximum working hours daily, maximum of 6 continous working days etc,
and they said it is easa regulation
plz correct me if im wrong
btw, may i know where u work jazzy
btw, im still a trainee not yet an lae

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 7 2009, 01:17 AM

owh, thanks jazzy, that mean our bcar license will still work,
there is no need to convert to easa license is it?
but having easa license means you are easier to get jobs oversea right?

i mean comparing with tame mas which is only
1.To be selected
2.aptitude test (math,english,IQ)
3.Interview
4.Medical Checkup

and i think few of my friends did the interview in malay

owh, for the exam, of course i know, luckily for us now there is no more negative marking,
last time, there is, meaning if you didnt answer you'll loose 1 mark
if u answer wrongly, you.ll loose 1.5 mark
so that time you just cant shoot if u dont know the answer

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 7 2009, 01:30 PM

IMHO tame in any airlines is the best(even if the training school is a bit messed up), everything is there for u,
all u have to do is complete the course and u confrim work with them, in fact im considered mas staff already with benefits, epf etc. its not the cheapest, basically its free, in fact im getting monthly allowance, but very little only, might need support from parents, an the payback is 10 years of bond, meaning i have to work 10 years in mas as an lame, if i breach the contract i have to pay the bond which cost RM167k for the 10 yrs

for mas tame there is no more intake, even after my intake they already took diploma leaver
lucky for me coz my batch is the last spm intake.

for aa im not sure on their program, i just heard they got their trainee of their own but dunno the details about it.

second would be the nilai, coz you'll be getting lwtr,
this is just my own opinion

yes AA and mas recognize bcar. coz they are following dca, in fact any company in malaysia recognize bcar

if u got an lwtr license, it recognize almost everywhere in the world, especially if u got the easa lwtr

some info for Nilai University College (NUC) aircraft maintenance course
Diploma in Aircraft Maintenance (NUC)
NIUC Aircraft Maintenance FAQ
EASA part66 Exam in NUC

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 7 2009, 03:40 PM

thats what i heard at first, and i am trained under easa part 66 at first,
in fact i finished cat A courses, but now im studying the same thing again in bcar ,
just hope my establishment date doesnt delay

can u tell more on the program u are attending now,
interested to know
can make it as a gudeline as well

the license is granted by DCA, so u need to attend the A oral and written exam to get the A license, same goes to the other license,not to forget the air leg written exam, but before that u have to collect you workschedule accordingly, take Airframe worskchedule for A licence, R related workschedule for R license etc.

what makes me confuse is the easa-bcar controversy
coz at first im following easa part 66 but now im following bcar section L

however i learn a lot from u jazzy, not to forget lestat too
thanks a lot

This post has been edited by azameel: Feb 9 2009, 12:07 AM