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 ◙The New PROTON PERSONA◙ V5, Proud CAMPRO always... ^^

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post Aug 13 2009, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Hypro @ Aug 13 2009, 09:14 AM)
Wa shocking.gif  shocking.gif the IAFM so fast "Kong" already? How do we know that the IAFM is "Kong"??
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noisy engine..."klonk,klonk" sound like some said its sound like old diesel or old taxi engine sound... laugh.gif ...lucky mine is 1st batch without iafm...no problem..even pickup not good... laugh.gif


Added on August 13, 2009, 1:29 pm
QUOTE(Hypro @ Aug 13 2009, 11:26 AM)
I feel that the engine sound is loud event when I got my car on the first day. I duno is it normal or the fan belt or what make the sound so loud sweat.gif  doh.gif
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its normal..impossible IAFM spoil when its new....mostly is the engine fan sound....normal thing...even old mercs also sounded louder...but important factor is interior quiet brows.gif

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post Aug 13 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Aug 13 2009, 01:28 PM)
noisy engine..."klonk,klonk" sound like some said its sound like old diesel or old taxi engine sound... laugh.gif ...lucky mine is 1st batch without iafm...no problem..even pickup not good... laugh.gif


Added on August 13, 2009, 1:29 pm
its normal..impossible IAFM spoil when its new....mostly is the engine fan sound....normal thing...even old mercs also sounded louder...but important factor is interior quiet brows.gif
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Actually the IAFM is it just to suck in more air to the engine???

I amaze that when I drive my fren vios, when I come out from the car, it is so quiet even I can hear the fan sound, but still very quiet.
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post Aug 13 2009, 02:55 PM

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guys bad news for my 1wk persona...sent it for a 1st 1000km service and u know what...they have to change the engine head coz got leaking...at 1st i thought just change gasket but the SC said they are changing the complete head...need to wait for the parts from proton...damn it...

luckily the engine oil is still there if not have to overhaul...

so disappointed with the engine quality mad.gif

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post Aug 13 2009, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Aug 13 2009, 01:28 PM)
noisy engine..."klonk,klonk" sound like some said its sound like old diesel or old taxi engine sound... laugh.gif ...lucky mine is 1st batch without iafm...no problem..even pickup not good... laugh.gif


Added on August 13, 2009, 1:29 pm
its normal..impossible IAFM spoil when its new....mostly is the engine fan sound....normal thing...even old mercs also sounded louder...but important factor is interior quiet brows.gif
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just double check ur AIFM, some kinda rod hv to replace. mine had same problem, noisy. but now all is good.

Cheers!
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post Aug 13 2009, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(emaximus @ Aug 13 2009, 03:15 PM)
just double check ur AIFM, some kinda rod hv to replace. mine had same problem, noisy. but now all is good.

Cheers!
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How to check it???
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post Aug 13 2009, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Hypro @ Aug 13 2009, 03:25 PM)
How to check it???
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I'm no expert but it's advisable to send ur car to SC.

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post Aug 13 2009, 03:54 PM

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oh no....i will get my car end of this month...look like at the problem can be happen to my new persona.......damm........need to pray hard liao....
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:23 PM

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daTUK_SErI, the air cond 'knock' is what we normally call the compressor click, but maybe your's abnormally louder? When it clicks you can hear from the outside a "tak" sound, followed by the fan turning faster sucking in air to be cooled.

Hypro, the symptom would be the 'klak klak klak" sound coming from your engine. If in doubt you can ask the mechanic to check it, its a *famous* problem so they can detect it right away.

Asus, what were the symptoms? Leaking engine oil?

LOL alexliew, on the bright side if your car turns out to be a lemon, you'll gain a lot of experience fixing your car if you decide to stay with it for the next 5 years tongue.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(nsty @ Aug 13 2009, 04:23 PM)
Asus, what were the symptoms? Leaking engine oil?
yup leaking engine oil...
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post Aug 13 2009, 07:43 PM

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whao...just got my Persona M line now see here got so much problem...scared scared...sad.gif

Any advise for new persona owner? what to take care of?

Thanks. smile.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Hypro @ Aug 13 2009, 02:26 PM)
Actually the IAFM is it just to suck in more air  to the engine???

I amaze that when I drive my fren vios, when I come out from the car, it is so quiet even I can hear the fan sound, but still very quiet.
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yeap....improve the torque dip 2000rpm-3000rpm.....
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post Aug 14 2009, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(nsty @ Aug 12 2009, 08:56 AM)
Morning dARKaNGEl,

Mobil products have been working good for me, including their lubes and petrol (Synergy F1 works best in my Persona). As for Mobil Super S 10w40, yes I've tried it and its pretty good. If you've just switch from Syntium with viscousity of 15w50, you'll immediately notice that the engine runs noisier and revvy happy upon switching to 10w40 oil. 40 weight is noticeably lighter than 50 weight oil. FC wise, pretty subjective for me as the difference is not that dramatic.

As for Castrol, I assume you're thinking of the Magnatec. I haven't personally tried it, but some said its good (maybe because of the BP DNA in it). Castrol is BP's flagship lube so it must have some of the engineering goodies dedicated to them. However, if I'm not mistaken the Magnatec is a premium mineral oil, and not a synthetic blend/ semi-synthetic lubricant.

Price wise, I believe both are priced at around RM97. Any sifus with better lube background care to give more comments?
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Thanks for sharing. I think i will try out Mobil Super S this time. You say after changing it's noticeably noisier? Is that true? I read review online that says it's quieter...

QUOTE(loong2020 @ Aug 12 2009, 03:46 PM)
im using mobil super s 10w40....so far after 3000km++ of usage still good....u can try it if u want..... brows.gif ...and i will do the next oil change after 6500km or 7000km of usage
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will go shop for a Mobil Super S, hopefully this weekend. where's the best place to get it at the best price in PJ?


QUOTE(zarreta @ Aug 12 2009, 06:00 PM)
Just want to share my disappointment of my persona & proton
Basically what am I going to highlight here are quality issues (again & again..)
I don’t want to write much..just list down the problem from day 1 till now (my persona only 4 months old..why got so many problem!!)  vmad.gif

1. handbrake..can’t fully released..problem solved..
2. both front alloy rim cap came off…bought 2nd hand at tyre shop 
3. nyek..nyek sounds from rear seat’s locks..problem solved..DIY
4. the famous clunking + nyek..nyek sounds...the clunking sound still persist with a bit improvement after replace insulator.. 
5. bad radio reception..no solution yet..get used to it already..
6.  engine hard to start (sometimes) + loud sound engine (like old taxi)..going to replace the IAFM soon (only 4 months old..IAFM out already!)  ohmy.gif
7. noise when braking..problem solved..done brake service
8. faulty of volume controller at steering..problem solved..replace new switch..
9. air cond system sometimes on/off..no solution yet..
10.  interior light faulty..don’t know whether circuit  problem or bulb problem..going to complain at SC soon..  shakehead.gif
11. weird sound while turn down/up window (driver side)..might be power window problem.. going to complain at SC soon..

Not sure whether you guys face the same problem..or I’m just the unlucky one..
Fed-up la with proton quality…  icon_question.gif
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Wow.. I can only say you're one unlucky owner.
Of all the problems you experienced, I only have the bad radio reception problem so far after near 2 months of ownership.
But i must agree that the engine sound loud from outside, especially when the air con is on but i believe it's normal for this car.

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post Aug 14 2009, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(zarreta @ Aug 12 2009, 06:00 PM)
Just want to share my disappointment of my persona & proton
Basically what am I going to highlight here are quality issues (again & again..)
I don’t want to write much..just list down the problem from day 1 till now (my persona only 4 months old..why got so many problem!!)  vmad.gif

1. handbrake..can’t fully released..problem solved..
2. both front alloy rim cap came off…bought 2nd hand at tyre shop 
3. nyek..nyek sounds from rear seat’s locks..problem solved..DIY
4. the famous clunking + nyek..nyek sounds...the clunking sound still persist with a bit improvement after replace insulator.. 
5. bad radio reception..no solution yet..get used to it already..
6.  engine hard to start (sometimes) + loud sound engine (like old taxi)..going to replace the IAFM soon (only 4 months old..IAFM out already!)  ohmy.gif
7. noise when braking..problem solved..done brake service
8. faulty of volume controller at steering..problem solved..replace new switch..
9. air cond system sometimes on/off..no solution yet..
10.  interior light faulty..don’t know whether circuit  problem or bulb problem..going to complain at SC soon..  shakehead.gif
11. weird sound while turn down/up window (driver side)..might be power window problem.. going to complain at SC soon..

Not sure whether you guys face the same problem..or I’m just the unlucky one..
Fed-up la with proton quality…  icon_question.gif
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1) i guess my e-brake also not really that makan, but i forgot to make a complain during service
2) same fate as yours, so far 1 cap came off
3) tried DIY, solved temporarily, then it came back. Complained to SC during 3rd service, now no more sound, for now...
4) same disease also
5) dunno, i only use mp3 cd, i even never set the radio station after 6 months owning persona >.>
6) so far no problem i guess...
7) no problem at all, always braking hard, getting tyres locked while braking, so far brakes are good
8) no prob
9) no prob
10) so far ok i think, plus i set the light as off all the time
11) not sure what kind of sound u heard, but i guess mine so far no prob

QUOTE(ralf @ Aug 13 2009, 09:06 AM)
yeah, you just pray hard that it won't fall off.. rolleyes.gif


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Yeah..I went to PESC couple of times in a week, quite rush for me  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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lulz... if it fall off during refueling, still ok. But if fall off during driving... doh.gif

QUOTE(Asus @ Aug 13 2009, 02:55 PM)
guys bad news for my 1wk persona...sent it for a 1st 1000km service and u know what...they have to change the engine head coz got leaking...at 1st i thought just change gasket but the SC said they are changing the complete head...need to wait for the parts from proton...damn it...

luckily the engine oil is still there if not have to overhaul...

so disappointed with the engine quality  mad.gif
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wah... that is really bad. I had the same scare before reaching my 2nd service, my engine oil slowly decreasing. Complained, but I myself checked during the 2nd service, no leaking. When doing the 3rd service, no problem. Hmmm.... hmm.gif

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post Aug 14 2009, 07:20 AM

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I tried out my friend's Vios J spec last night. The ride was hard, my Persona is definitely much better, more comfortable. And I think the sound insulation is not quite ok also, as the tyre roar can be heard quite clearly inside the cabin. Maybe the stock tyre is noisy? Or maybe Persona is definitely better? biggrin.gif
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guys..i'm planning to instal rear boot insulator since my b-line doesnt have one like m or h line..where to get this item?
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post Aug 14 2009, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(mensa @ Aug 14 2009, 09:35 AM)
guys..i'm planning to instal rear boot insulator since my b-line doesnt have one like m or h line..where to get this item?
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go to "the persona club"..u can get it from there if im not wrong coz someone is selling the rear boot insulator around RM100....but u can get it done at any accessories shop with infsulex......as it absorb sounds better and thicker.....


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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Aug 14 2009, 07:20 AM)
I tried out my friend's Vios J spec last night. The ride was hard, my Persona is definitely much better, more comfortable. And I think the sound insulation is not quite ok also, as the tyre roar can be heard quite clearly inside the cabin. Maybe the stock tyre is noisy? Or maybe Persona is definitely better? biggrin.gif
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u mean vios or persona???......i feel that persona road noise still can be improve further...still can hear tire roar noise.......

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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Aug 14 2009, 07:20 AM)
I tried out my friend's Vios J spec last night. The ride was hard, my Persona is definitely much better, more comfortable. And I think the sound insulation is not quite ok also, as the tyre roar can be heard quite clearly inside the cabin. Maybe the stock tyre is noisy? Or maybe Persona is definitely better? biggrin.gif
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Not the problem of stock tyres I guess. It's the car itself. One of my friends owns a Vios J and he complains that the NVH isn't good. Poor sound insulation perhaps. blink.gif


Added on August 14, 2009, 10:22 am
QUOTE(Hypro @ Aug 13 2009, 09:14 AM)
Wa shocking.gif  shocking.gif the IAFM so fast "Kong" already? How do we know that the IAFM is "Kong"??
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I'm not very sure about the symptoms of faulty IAFM, but from what I noticed is that the engine is noisier than I first collected the car. The 'ticking' sound of engine is louder and I can hear a very high frequency noise coming from the engine. (About 15~16kHz I guess hmm.gif )

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Hehe. Already heard lots of complaints on the new Vios's NVH, and a lot would agree that the older Vios rides much better than the new one. Some tried changing stock tires to comfort based but the improvement isn't that dramatic, so I'd guess there's a lot of cost cutting being done on the new Vios.

loong2020, maybe because you're using Michy PP2? tongue.gif Its performance tire so it might be a little noisy. My next tire change would be a pair of Michy Primacy LC! I've done 2 layers of soundproof on 4 doors (SP Mat, Sunway) and honestly there's quite some improvement here. Previously the ride was with a lot of wind noise and traffic noise but now motorcycles just whizzed by without giving you a feeling that you accidentally winded the window down. Now all I hear is the roaring of my NCT5 tires, very very annoying, even at slow speed the tire would just scream as if it has got some tarmac sensitivity problem
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QUOTE(nsty @ Aug 14 2009, 11:50 AM)
Hehe. Already heard lots of complaints on the new Vios's NVH, and a lot would agree that the older Vios rides much better than the new one. Some tried changing stock tires to comfort based but the improvement isn't that dramatic, so I'd guess there's a lot of cost cutting being done on the new Vios.

loong2020, maybe because you're using Michy PP2? tongue.gif Its performance tire so it might be a little noisy. My next tire change would be a pair of Michy Primacy LC! I've done 2 layers of soundproof on 4 doors (SP Mat, Sunway) and honestly there's quite some improvement here. Previously the ride was with a lot of wind noise and traffic noise but now motorcycles just whizzed by without giving you a feeling that you accidentally winded the window down. Now all I hear is the roaring of my NCT5 tires, very very annoying, even at slow speed the tire would just scream as if it has got some tarmac sensitivity problem
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blush.gif ...u also know im using mich PP2.... laugh.gif ....erm..maybe..la..but my stock tires was conti cc1....i think 70% above is quiet...after that become noisy and noisier....but PP2 so far i think the noise still accepetable..la...but cornering much much smooth and steering response become much sharper when sapu corner... thumbup.gif ...just used 2weeks only da tires...=P..... ur NTC5 sure noisy...compare to silverstone kruizer and conti cc1 da fitted in some persona...but its good that u planning to change michy primacy lc why not change all if ur budget permits??...much silent..lol....its a comfort tire and noise will be lower.... brows.gif ....

btw how much u did ur soundproofing 2layers on the 4 doors???..and where is SP Mat located???.....maybe wana install it...hehe....and does the door feels more solid after installation???....

yeah...vios NVH not really good...i think maybe for J and E spec they cut cost and lesser soundproofing meterials...compare to S spec i sat where is maybe on par with persona or slightly better....but its driven in the city area...highway i dont know whether is noiser or better.... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Aug 12 2009, 09:03 PM)
for me...based on my 1year 7months of owning 1st batch persona
1)no problem
2)solve by getting aftermarket rim cap
3)DIY with tape (normal for persona)
4)u mean when turning left??? i dont care the sound also...
5)mine ok...no problem...not to say so clear...but can listen and most of the time i listen to CD
6)no problem as mine is not IAFM...plain campro 1st batch...i guess is very common IAFM to spoil and turn into lorry/old taxi sound....
7)no problem...sound is due to that original brake pads, replace it with bendix/bosch power plus/rs or some aftermarket well known brand will solve
8)same....mode and reverse track gila gila....lazy to repair...even waja's control is better 7years still can press...this 1 so fast go haywire... yawn.gif
9) no problem
10)no problem
11)no problem

other than that, the interior parts still intact and the parts still "sleeping" hope the parts in the interior wont "wake up" and started to make rattling sound and my driving style would be average and sometimes rough....
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#4, I also having the same problem. When turn left, there is sound coming from the front. Not sure what it is.

#7, Need to change the break pad eh? Will do it in my next service.

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