Thank you and sorry for confusing question. I have updated the question.

nps

Oh I think I know what you are getting at now…

Your leave entitlement is 14 days and you want to calculate how much leave you have earned up to date of resignation.

To be honest, I have no idea how is it calculated (never given much thought about it either). But from what I understand, all company benefits will cease starting from the notice period. In this case, you will not earn any leave during notice period.

try and confirm this in the general thread.

guys help..

I'm working in company A for 2+ years before being so called promoted and transfered to a totally different line in company B. my role is actually in charge of company C which is still pending to build up at the moment, so, i'm considered myself a trainee at company B.

I've been working for company B for more than 3 years but i was not offered an offer letter. Everything is still based on co. A except my salary of cos. Now that i'm tired and fade up of waiting for co. C to establish, i'm thinking of quiting the job. IF i leave co. B without any time frame given, will i get sued? or will i be force to pay any compensation?

thanks.

usually, leaves are the only one restricted from my experience since it is prorated once serving the notice period.

i have claimed the benefits(medicals, dentist, spectacles, mobile phones) while serving and it was okay.

everything depends on the company. like my first job, the HR clearly state it that all benefits are claimable as long as I am an employee until the last physical day. as for the second job, my boss asked if i have claimed everything before leaving. hahahaha. and i did! bought a new phone!

so best check with HR for any doubt.

i'm sure most answer will be, if there's a black and white docs, then you have to make sure you are not against it. if no papers at all. quit! hahahaa. thats usually the advice given by my senior friends.

btw the so called promoted, i think you are the scapegoat mang. at least thats what my friends kena most of the time. one of them, get to travel a lot when he jumped to new company, first see like oh cool got selected. then lama2, its because other people dont want to do it, and the job is troublesome.

This post has been edited by LuffyPSP: Jul 14 2015, 11:06 PM

forgot to add, i didnt hand in any resignation letter to co. A when i transfered to co. B. Any possibility that they use the terms in co. A offer letter against me?

it looks like you are right, better dont waste any more time here.

As for your career choices, best you decide on your own.

There's one tip which I would like to share though, find a job before you quit!

Now back to your questions....

1) do you have any letter of offer in which you signed and accepted? (with Co A,B or C?)

2) was there any notifications to say you were promoted or transferred?

3) who currently pays your salary on record?\

4) are A,B,C companies subsidiaries or related companies?

1) yes. signed an offer letter from Co. A only which is like 5 years back. 2nd + year, i transfered to co. B.

2) no. only informed verbally on the terms and condition.

3) Co. B which i'm now working at pays me.

4) Co. C is still not establish or build up yet. these companies are not subsidiaries, but they are related companies from the same boss.

In my opinion, reputation is important so better follow the normal procedure. Tender, serve notice period then say bye bye.
I was in a 2 years stupid bond as well and it really terrible experience but I decided to take it as a lesson. Anyway, the terrible experience was great experience because handle a full of shit project and dealing with tough customers increase my tolerance level to the max. Hahaha..

1) you are still an employee of Company A, technically you are on "loan" to Company B and lastly your definately not an employee of Company C.

2) this part becomes a little bit sticky.
- the rule of thumb is... documents in writing normally thumps verbal arrangements. It can nevertheless be defeat but your own actions, as seen in following example:-

Ali (Vendor) and Abu (Buyer) enter into an agreement for a Computer for RM 5,000.
Ali subsequently asked Abu whether he wanted a X brand Keyboard, Mouse and 50" Monitor, in which case Abu agreed verbally.
Ali subsequently re-issue an invoice for RM 10,000.
Abu...(screwed himself)

- though you did not sign any contract with Company B, your conduct may be "perceived" as acceptance of the terms and conditions proposed by Company B.
- the damage to you will depend on the terms and conditions that applies. (not sighted)

3) and (4) - sounds a bit dodgy from here on end. in other words, no comment.

Conclusion:-
You can rely on the letter of offer signed with Company A to terminate your employment.

It will get a bit tricky, if Company B's terms and conditions cover "termination" clause as well. You may have two competing termination Clause.

Ok I have a question here,

Let say a contract position worker decided to tender 24hour notice resignation on 10th august, while his contract is ending on 20th august due to new company willing to buy out.

Does the contract worker have to serve 30days notice or serve only until 20th august? And if the new company willing to buy out, does he has to pay one month salary or prorated salary based on 20th august period of service?

aurora97

This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Aug 5 2015, 03:34 PM

Ops just saw this posting.

This is the awkward part, if your notice period does not explicitly mention that it takes into account the 20th Aug expiration of the contract. Even if you serve notice on the 19th Aug, you will still be required to give 30 days’ notice of your resignation without taking into account the expiration of the contract.

Both yourself and your new company will be in a lot of sticky situation, if your old company decides to make things difficult. If following strictly according to your contract have to serve 30 days’ notice, your new employer will have to pay the entire 30 days’ notice period.

Best you ask the HR in your old company how to go about this.

Hi,

If i notify my manager on 1st August but only submit letter today but, by stating notification done on 1st August, my servicing notice actually start from 1st Aug or today?

Also, tender to HR first, or
manager-> department head -> HR?

Why did you take so long to submit your letter? You only make the situation sticky for yourself. Later your Manager turn around and say, I don’t recall anything?

You can do reverse confirmation but if you encounter problem… well…

There’s no right or wrong answer how you tender your resignation.

At the end of the day, it will still end up with HR. If your relationship with your boss is like your ex-gf/bf or mother in law than go straight to HR. If you want to be courteous and say a proper goodbye, then you pass to your Manager so that they can brainwash you later.

As an example, last time my office very small (news travel like CNN). So I scanned email and deliver hardcopy direct to HR. I then walked to my boss room and tell him I resigned and letter with HR. My relationship with boss was very good just that my office people very “geh poh”. True enough, the moment I step up from boss office, I was caught with my pants down… she asked me in front of everyone, “eh you resigned ah?” (I made the mistake of pausing as to how to react to the question).

Within 5 mins, I got shet loads of text message/watapp. Next day, big boss called me in for brain washing session.

Most practise is to hand over your resignation letter to your reporting manager first. With this approach, your manager has an ample time to do the justification should they want to counter offer, instead of straight pass your letter to HR. But bear in mind, the resignation notice starts from the moment you pass the letter to your manager.

... they just sit on it; or your relationship with your manager is so complicated that you wouldnt want to service notice on him; or they are simply unethical; or in my case, my colleagues were "SUPER" kepochi.

these are some other reasons that you may want to serve notice using unconventional methods.

What if my manager reluctant to let me go and said " I dont want to accept your letter", and push back the letter to you.

How to react from that? and how to proceed? pass to hr?

Remember:-

You are not a slave.
If you are unhappy with the job, just leave.
If you still willing to give a shot at the job, ask the manager to counter-offer… meanwhile submit your resignation as well. This will keep the clock running and pressure him to put a deal on the table.

If your Manager playing hard ball just past it to HR will do.

Make sure you get acknowledgement receipt. The time will run from the moment you tender. Some HR will try and delay your application i.e. we never receive your application, management still considering, we process your letter on X date instead of the date we received it… becareful of unethical people.

This post has been edited by aurora97: Sep 11 2015, 06:06 PM

I resigned on 13 August but my company pay me full salary in month end.
Now the company is sending me letter ask me pay back the extra salary together with the extra epf and socso contribution.
Can I just pay back the extra salary and refuse to pay back for the epf and socso?

Should return all of the money that doesn't belong to you.

As for EPF and socso, ask them to let you pay installment.

Don't let them blacklist you because of this incident.

do u guys normally sign the offer then only tender the resignation letter or the other way round?