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Movies The ALIEN Movies Thread, Prometheus 2: PARADISE LOST (2017)

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Claire Farron
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 10 2012, 11:57 PM)
when i bought the quadrilogy boxed set, i found out that the blond girl in that scene didnt even know it's gonna burst out. she totally freaked out and the reaction we saw was real. that's ridley lol.

anyways, i'm wondering if the version released in malaysia is the full version with the international ones? did they cut anything out? i noticed the F word only once. i know there's no nudity, but what about the gore/horror thingy? it's rated PG13 here, but R-rated everywhere else...
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Yea, I remember reading about that too, some time ago.

Trivia: remember the scene where Ripley did the reverse basketball shot in [Alien Resurrection] movie? She actually DID it.


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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 11 2012, 06:40 PM)
I honestly don't see any point in attacking him personally like that. Does venting your anger at him via tweeter achieve anything?

Instead of directly insulting people, maybe people would be better served by just expressing their disappointments publicly and hoping the public opinion would convince the producers to make a more sensible story line in the sequel. If they ever green lit one.
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Depends on whether it covers the budget or not, as they say and FOX Studios too...

Right now, 2nd place for USD 50 million box-office is not so bad...
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jun 11 2012, 08:40 PM)
Depends on whether it covers the budget or not, as they say and FOX Studios too...

Right now, 2nd place for USD 50 million box-office is not so bad...
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I think it will cover the budget. Just not sure if it'll be convincingly enough for them to be willing to bank roll another.
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QUOTE(Bleacher @ Jun 10 2012, 07:52 PM)
Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol has been in 2D. Given the option between 2D and 3D, TGV will almost certainly show the 3D option but for The Dark Knight Rises, there isn't much of a choice.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 10 2012, 08:33 PM)
I remember watching MI:IV 2D at TGV IMAX though, and the picture clarity wasn't up to par. Prometheus 3D was crystal though. Perhaps they don't properly align the two projectors for 2D movies.
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What's the price for IMAX 2D at TGV?
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It seems this last and final Viral Video was played AFTER the end credits of Prometheus



Anyone knows what it means?
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Interview with Prometheus writer, Damon Lindelof, where he "answers" a few questions regarding the movie.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml

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The script I got was written by Jon Spaihts. He is a wonderful person and a great writer and his script reflected both. However, he had been tasked with executing the very specific task of making the story very "Alieny" (not a word) and it was rife with eggs, facehuggers, chestbursters and the Xenomorphs they grew into. If memory serves, the eggs show up around the end of the first act and the familiar progression of fertilization and gestation begins, at which point, all hell breaks loose.
Although I would be careful to ever use the term "Lindelof-ized" (such a phrase could just as easily be defined as "the process by which an ending is made completely unclear and/or f---ed up all together") my job was to strip out the familiar "Alien" stuff and rebalance the plot mechanics so that stuff felt more like the RESULT of the story as opposed to the catalyst

So in the original script, the film was suppose to be more "Alieny" with facehuggers, old school xenemorphs and all.

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Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary. And speaking of length ...
The Bluray/DVD is a must buy for sure


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Is she(Vickers) a robot?
She is not.


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Did you and Ridley and Jon discuss who created the Engineers?
Yes. But the more fascinating question is this: Do the Engineers KNOW who created them?


Have you guys worked out the answer to Elizabeth Shaw's burning question, i.e. why did our creators turn on us?
Golly, I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to THAT one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
Looks like never gonna tell us the answer to those...

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 12 2012, 11:19 PM)
Interview with Prometheus writer, Damon Lindelof, where he "answers" a few questions regarding the movie.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml
So in the original script, the film was suppose to be more "Alieny" with facehuggers, old school xenemorphs and all.
The Bluray/DVD is a must buy for sure
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Looks like never gonna tell us the answer to those...
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Ridley feels the (better) audience needs the challenges; the question, debate about the movie; not to be spoon fed while watching a movie. Little wonder why there are those who need everything to in B&W for them cool2.gif


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yup. it's clearly targeted for mature audiences. and in ripley's book, it doesnt refer to age maturity.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 12 2012, 11:57 PM)
Ridley feels the (better) audience needs the challenges; the question, debate about the movie; not to be spoon fed while watching a movie. Little wonder why there are those who need everything to in B&W for them  cool2.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 13 2012, 12:07 AM)
yup. it's clearly targeted for mature audiences. and in ripley's book, it doesnt refer to age maturity.
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Do you guys think Prometheus is an ambiguous film OR film that avoided answers?

A lot of people are debating this and said Prometheus shouldn't be compared to something like 2001: A Space Odyssey, because Prometheus avoided answers while 2001 is a legit ambiguous film.

This is what they said:

Thoughts that a movie should raise:
>Imagine if x was y.
>What do you think x really means?
(2001- ambiguous)

Thoughts that a movie should not raise:
>Why did he do x?
>If that was x, then why did y....
>How does x do y?
>What was the point of x if y was...
(Prometheus- avoided answers)


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Clearly Prometheus is the latter.

I even read somewhere that Ridley approached making this with a sequel in mind. That explains why he got the writer of LOST I guess.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 13 2012, 08:40 AM)
Clearly Prometheus is the latter.

I even read somewhere that Ridley approached making this with a sequel in mind. That explains why he got the writer of LOST I guess.
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Personally, I'm not really a fan of LOST series or its writers. Nevertheless, I do enjoy the exposure to different style of writers and directors. Prometheus is downright entertaining and sparks lots of discussions and debates. Eventually, these questions will irate more than pique our judgement one what actually happened. I'm sure fans and avid moviegoers such as I can be looking forward to the bluray edition@ Director's cut@ extended version or whatever spinoffs they can make money of. But lets just hope they don't answer those questions with more questions. This is what I felt from watching a few series of Lost. When the writer wrote Lost, they really meant for the viewers to get LOST in their thoughts.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 12 2012, 10:40 AM)
I think it will cover the budget. Just not sure if it'll be convincingly enough for them to be willing to bank roll another.
Prometheus managed to be the 10th highest opening weekend of all time for a R-rated movie in US box office.
I guess it's not a box-office flop, but how much the budget for the sequel? I imagine would have much more visual effects since it'll be even more 'alieny' world.

QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 12 2012, 10:19 PM)
Interview with Prometheus writer, Damon Lindelof, where he "answers" a few questions regarding the movie.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml
So in the original script, the film was suppose to be more "Alieny" with facehuggers, old school xenemorphs and all.
The Bluray/DVD is a must buy for sure
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Looks like never gonna tell us the answer to those...
QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 12 2012, 11:57 PM)
Ridley feels the (better) audience needs the challenges; the question, debate about the movie; not to be spoon fed while watching a movie. Little wonder why there are those who need everything to in B&W for them  cool2.gif
QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 13 2012, 08:40 AM)
Clearly Prometheus is the latter.
I even read somewhere that Ridley approached making this with a sequel in mind. That explains why he got the writer of LOST I guess.
I thought I read somewhere that Lindelof was brought in to provide his 'Lost' writing style ... ambiguity; he advised and expanded on the opening 'creation' scenes and aspect of Engineers, whereas Ridley if follow the original script, would do a direct two-part prequel to Alien with more straightforward take on the creation part.

I'm glad they didn't do a direct prequel, it'll be too restrictive and might have to follow Alien canon (which has 'morphed' throughout the 4 series, not including the AvP 'prequels'). This way, it's like a re-make of Alien (hence the similar plots) akin to the new Star Trek reboot but still got plenty of space for them to link back to the 1st Alien movie, if they decided to.

One thing Ridley had decided to not do in Prometheus, that is to show Shaw straightaway would know the reasons of the Engineers actions.

http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheu...terview/172202/
http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/
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As most everyone knows by now, Prometheus was originally conceived as a two-part prequel to Scott’s Alien.  As development moved along, Lindelof was brought in to take a look at the script and give some notes.  He responded by suggesting they tone down the prequel aspects of the script and further develop the larger themes and ideas of the creation of humanity, the Engineers, etc.

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Scott told Movies.com that he always knew that the film’s ending would organically set Prometheus up for a sequel:
“From the very beginning, I was working from a premise that lent itself to a sequel. I really don’t want to meet God in the first one. I want to leave it open to [Noomi Rapace’s character, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw] saying, ‘I don’t want to go back to where I came from. I want to go where they came from.’ “

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One of the biggest questions left open at the end of Prometheus is why the Engineers made the decision to wipe out the human race, their creation.  Josh Hororwitz at MTV asked Lindelof if he and Scott had worked out the answer to that question yet, and here’s Lindelof’s response:
... see the MTV interview link provided by Claire.
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...the original script for Prometheus flat out explained why Earth was targeted for destruction, and the reasoning ties into Scott’s thoughts on religion.  They ultimately felt the idea was lacking in subtlety and scrapped it, but Scott elaborated on the plot point to Movies.com and his comments may provide a hint as to where the follow-up could go:

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 13 2012, 02:33 AM)
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 13 2012, 10:13 AM)
Personally, I'm not really a fan of LOST series or its writers. Nevertheless, I do enjoy the exposure to different style of writers and directors. Prometheus is downright entertaining and sparks lots of discussions and debates. Eventually, these questions will irate more than pique our judgement one what actually happened. I'm sure fans and avid moviegoers such as I can be looking forward to the bluray edition@ Director's cut@ extended version or whatever spinoffs they can make money of. But lets just hope they don't answer those questions with more questions. This is what I felt from watching a few series of Lost. When the writer wrote Lost, they really meant for the viewers to get LOST in their thoughts.
LOST is great for its earlier seasons (the flashback parts) ... but it got too muddled after the flashforward season, and quite confusing (without googling for discussions) during the flashsideway ending seasons. But overall, it's unique and enjoyable when in the mood to watch ambiguous story.
As mentioned in a link in the previous post, there'll be deleted extra scenes (extra 27 mins), but if they're just action scenes and not character development scenes like in Kingdom of Heaven's 3-hours Director Cut, then no need to edit them into extended version.
One thing I adjust myself when viewing 'Lost' kind of ambiguous series or abstract movies ... don't look for the logical explanations while viewing, feel the emotional aspect instead ... this kind of writers/directors usually want viewers to 'watch' with their hearts and not their mind ... or maybe they themselves don't have the complete answers, heheh. But I think Ridley Scott (and sequel writers) won't leave audience hanging without clear explanations (at least explainable reasonings, no need direct spoon feeding) at the end of sequels ... he knows he has to balance the commercial aspect of film-making.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 13 2012, 10:33 AM)
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Here, straight out of Damon Lindelof himself, word of god,


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Why did David poison Charlie? Was he hoping he'd impregnate Elizabeth or was that just a nice bonus?

In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne. And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after. Which is why in space, you should always wear a condom!


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 13 2012, 10:26 AM)
One thing Ridley had decided to not do in Prometheus, that is to show Shaw straightaway would know the reasons of the Engineers actions.

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RS had already talked about this in an interview, but I'm not sure if this is still canon with the film or not.

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Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.


http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/...are-dark-angels

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in a way, i love how ridley interspersed his science mythology with religion.

but i'm disappointed that i had to learn it OUTSIDE of the film itself. it would make a great twist if it were put in the sequel.
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 13 2012, 10:48 AM)
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