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post Nov 2 2008, 10:57 PM


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If you got call to claim free airplane ticket/voucher FOC at wisma PPV, jln Bangsar, you will probably facing this issue.
If you go to their place, they will ask you to attend a short briefing regarding investment in dairy
farm.
Why I though it is a scam? because it is full of flaw

I got their call during fasting months and I went to their place. I decided to go since I will have
free dinner thumbup.gif
There is 1 person incharge to give me a briefing, he start by asking me what person in phone
told or promise me. you will feel weird since if it is a good investment or stuff, you will find it
will always stick to the facts or 1 direction.

kinder quite long explanation, im not got at explanation, but most of it is about
the benefits such as 1 liter milk got RMXX, then times 30 days and etc.

I will list the thing I think it is a flaw.

- he keep asking me what people on phone told /promise me.

- the picture is about dairy process only, not about the actual place, actual event, actual person.

-all the cow milk will be sell to Jabatan Tenusu, then I thought there is no Jabatan Tenusu in Malaysia,
we got veterinar but not tenusu. there is no further explaination after jabatan tenusu, where the specified
place, which branch do it.

-there is takaful insurans if the cow got a problem, I asked what kind of Takaful, he said Takaful Malaysia(with hesitation).
I don't think insurans company will cover it since it is a high risk, unless the payment is high, he did not even
mentions about insurans payment.

-he don't even know the exact place of dairy farm. there is no location state in presentation or pictures. all pictures
is about dairy process or benefits.

-there is no catch at all


Added on November 2, 2008, 11:06 pmI think it is same company selling top up machines at very high prices.

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if u check the FOC vouchers, most deals are actually not FOC ... its not a scam, this is just another grey area boarder line marketing that is sickening us ...
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if you are unsure about something... NEVER throw money into it..
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post Nov 5 2008, 03:02 PM


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Dear ALL,

Prestige Dairy Farm is a legitimate business and far being a con job. Contact me directly at (03) 22825786 for further clarification.

Mohd Khairol Azmi Jaafar
General Manager
Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd.
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QUOTE(mkazmi @ Nov 5 2008, 03:02 PM)
Dear ALL,

Prestige Dairy Farm is a legitimate business and far being a con job. Contact me directly at (03) 22825786 for further clarification.

Mohd Khairol Azmi Jaafar
General Manager
Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd.
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Pls than list down the company registration number and if there's any investment scheme; and approval from SSM and SC in order to convince others.

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QUOTE(b00n @ Nov 5 2008, 03:06 PM)
Pls than list down the company registration number and if there's any investment scheme; and approval from SSM and SC in order to convince others.
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Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd.

832757-A


Added on November 5, 2008, 11:44 pmIt's not an investment per say. It's Contract Farming with JV Agreement. 70-30. You buy a cattle and bear the cost for 8 years, we take care of the cattle and the milk lactation between 10-25 litres daily will be divided in 70:30 equation. 70% to the dairy farmer, and 30% to PDF. By right, the cattle is yours.

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post Nov 6 2008, 01:56 AM


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QUOTE(mkazmi @ Nov 5 2008, 11:38 PM)
Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd.

832757-A


Added on November 5, 2008, 11:44 pmIt's not an investment per say. It's Contract Farming with JV Agreement. 70-30. You buy a cattle and bear the cost for 8 years, we take care of the cattle and the milk lactation between 10-25 litres daily will be divided in 70:30 equation. 70% to the dairy farmer, and 30% to PDF. By right, the cattle is yours.
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Okay if the cow is mine, can I sell it? smile.gif
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the thing i'm worried is, if the cow somehow pass away, then .....?
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post Nov 7 2008, 11:17 AM


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I heard of this , google-ed and found lowyat.

An average cow's lifespan is 9-11 years.
and during the cow's lifespan , it will be able to produce around 200,000 cups of milk
So.. you do the calculation .
If you cow died in 3years, then too bad. It is called an investment for a reason rite?
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post Nov 10 2008, 09:24 PM


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I own a ranch in Idaho. I dunno anything about farming so I rent the land to farmers who plant potatoes.

As far as I know, there's no "investment scheme" involving farming.

If it's oil drilling, yes, there are "investment shares" in oil rigs. I've done some investments in the past. Totally legit.

So try to be careful. Lots of scams out there !

Number 1 way to avoid the scams is to NOT be greedy.






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post Nov 11 2008, 02:07 PM


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QUOTE(kalambong @ Nov 10 2008, 09:24 PM)
I own a ranch in Idaho. I dunno anything about farming so I rent the land to farmers who plant potatoes.

As far as I know, there's no "investment scheme" involving farming.

If it's oil drilling, yes, there are "investment shares" in oil rigs. I've done some investments in the past. Totally legit.

So try to be careful. Lots of scams out there !

Number 1 way to avoid the scams is to NOT be greedy.
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How did you buy it?

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post Nov 11 2008, 02:35 PM


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QUOTE(wodenus @ Nov 10 2008, 06:07 PM)
How did you buy it?
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Opportunity arrived and I hold on to it !

There was a terrible recession in United States, many farmers facing bankruptcies and can't pay back the loans they owed to banks.

A lot of farms fell into bank foreclosures.

At that time, I just sold one of my businesses, instead of letting the money sitting in the banks, I attended some auctions. But before that, I read up a lot of materials regarding farming in USA, and it seemed that the soil of Idaho is volcanic soil, much like the one in Sumatra, very suitable to plant potatoes.

There's a ready market for potatoes all around the world. McDonald's, Burger King, and all the worldwide franchises got their potatoes from Idaho.

I lived in Texas at that time, but flew to Idaho to attend land auctions.

Bought some, combined them together, and become a big ranch.

But I have no idea how to farm, so I lease the land back to the farmers to do what they have been doing for generations.

It's all luck, btw.






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post Nov 11 2008, 08:04 PM


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QUOTE(kalambong @ Nov 11 2008, 02:35 PM)
Opportunity arrived and I hold on to it !

There was a terrible recession in United States, many farmers facing bankruptcies and can't pay back the loans they owed to banks.

A lot of farms fell into bank foreclosures.

At that time, I just sold one of my businesses, instead of letting the money sitting in the banks, I attended some auctions. But before that, I read up a lot of materials regarding farming in USA, and it seemed that the soil of Idaho is volcanic soil, much like the one in Sumatra, very suitable to plant potatoes.

There's a ready market for potatoes all around the world. McDonald's, Burger King, and all the worldwide franchises got their potatoes from Idaho.

I lived in Texas at that time, but flew to Idaho to attend land auctions.

Bought some, combined them together, and become a big ranch.

But I have no idea how to farm, so I lease the land back to the farmers to do what they have been doing for generations.

It's all luck, btw.
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Well you know what they say, knowledge + foresight + opportunity = luck smile.gif how many businesses did you have?


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post Nov 11 2008, 08:29 PM


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QUOTE(wodenus @ Nov 11 2008, 12:04 AM)
Well you know what they say, knowledge + foresight + opportunity = luck smile.gif how many businesses did you have?
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Sold most of them.

Economic winter time, better hibernate.

Wait one or two more years, till the S-curve arrives. Then go back and buy businesses again. smile.gif





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QUOTE(kalambong @ Nov 11 2008, 08:29 PM)
Sold most of them.

Economic winter time, better hibernate.

Wait one or two more years, till the S-curve arrives. Then go back and buy businesses again. smile.gif
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Sounds like fun smile.gif

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Nov 12 2008, 12:48 AM)
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DEAR ALL, PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT DUMP IN YOUR MONEY IN ANY BUSINESS BY THIS COMPANY ' PRESTIGE DAIRY FARM ' (PDF). BEFORE PDF THEY WERE DOING TOP UP KIOSK MACHINE WITH ANOTHER NAME; HOSPITALITY BIZ NETWORK(HBNC)'THEY ARE DOING A CON JOB, MANY OF MY FRIENDS WHO DEAL WITH THEM FACE A LOSS AND SUFFER PAYING BANK LOANS.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANIES, THEIR HQ IS AT JLN BANGSAR, WISMA PPV.

THEY ARE ALL SUCKING PUBLIC BLOOD.


Added on November 13, 2008, 9:53 pmPLEASE REFER MALAYSIAN FRANCAIS ASSOCIATION FORUM FOR MORE DETAILS.

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QUOTE(Cheated by HBNC @ Nov 13 2008, 09:52 PM)
DEAR ALL, PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT DUMP IN YOUR MONEY IN ANY BUSINESS BY THIS COMPANY ' PRESTIGE DAIRY FARM '  (PDF). BEFORE PDF THEY WERE DOING TOP UP KIOSK MACHINE WITH ANOTHER  NAME; HOSPITALITY BIZ NETWORK(HBNC)'THEY ARE DOING A CON JOB, MANY OF MY FRIENDS WHO DEAL WITH THEM FACE A LOSS AND SUFFER PAYING BANK LOANS.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANIES, THEIR HQ IS AT JLN BANGSAR, WISMA PPV.

THEY ARE ALL SUCKING PUBLIC BLOOD.


Added on November 13, 2008, 9:53 pmPLEASE REFER MALAYSIAN FRANCAIS ASSOCIATION FORUM FOR MORE DETAILS.
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Pls provide the links or elaboration.

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JUST NOW I RECEIVED THIS COMPANY CALLED PRETIGE DAILY FARM. THEIR PHONE NUMBER IS 0162622541.
THEY CALLED ME AND TELL ME GOT FREE TICKET AND BLAH BLAH BLAH AND ASK ME TO GO TO THEIR OFFICE IN BANGSAR.
I TOLD THEM I'M NOT INTERESTED, IF THEY WANT TO GIVE ANY FREE THING THEY CAN JUST MAIL IT TO ME, IF NOT JUST FORGET IT.

THEY SAID: "f*** YOU!" ON THE PHONE! vmad.gif

WHAT THE HELL, WHICH BANK GIVES THIS DETAIL TO THIS STUPID COMPANY, I'M GOING TO COMPLAINT THEM NOW.
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hope you find the culprit and file an official complaint to bank negara.
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Hey guys , get your facts right.

I've been there and what they offer is a simple explanation on what is it all about which took 2 hours ++
but i got the voucher at the end of the deal even after i decline to join their investment.

The project is supported by Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia and RM livestock,

And what are you will be investing is on "milking cows"

If you MALAYSIAN even know about the country, (and I hope please do before being an idiot with wrong facts)
it is stated that the Malaysia will try to lower the import for milk as we are currently only having only 5% of local milk.
It is in Harian Metro last month i think.

Therefore this Dairy Farm is trying to import the cows themself to do the milking itself.
The Cost for the cow is 26k+ which comes with all the cow food and workers for taking care of the cow.( i think they will makan abit la for $$)

So the income is from milk, meat, and baby cow..
So... after buying (investing) on the cow. the milk will be sold to the Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia. which is where you get your profit..
Meat to RM livestock..
Baby cow to Dairy Farm ,

So during the presentation. i ask :
1.What happens if the cow dies? Got insurance (RM 500 / year) die will replace new cow @ same age. After 8 years, they will kill the cow and sell it's meat, one cow around 500kg for RM 20++ per kg..
2.where is this farm? Johor if you are interested , i can bring u there to choose your cow. @.@
3.How come the baby cow only worth RM250 when sold to the farm while I buy for 26k? (bull** and say import use alot money, baby use alot food product then he change topic, You know 1 cow can give birth to how many baby?(dunno) 10/ year.so you get extra 2500 per year.
4.How much milk they produce? 20litre per per day @ RM 3 per litre. so few hundred k $$. if they milk less than 10litre, they will kill the cow and replace new because sick. o.O

Then they explain la on the calculation and all... and I start to get bored...just want to get out of there, but they ask me to stay , voucher on the way( wait for 1 hour)

The reason I didnt invest is because they want the answer today. Then they start to ask (before telling that the cow is 26k) If the cow is at your budget range, will you take it today?( I say yes) Then they say 26k+ per cow , deposit 30% which is 8k+ for production fees.(I dont have that $$ now) Then how much can you pay? (I got RM 300 in my wallet now) Credit card? (I dont feel like using it, can you let me think about it for a day?) Then they argue with me , just now you say can give us answer today, if cannot , tell us earlier, dont waste both our times... Then they say they will accept the RM 300 as deposit which is NOT REFUNDABLE and will apply for loan from Aggro Bank i think "kami akan cuba dapatkan kelulusan , tak boleh pun kami akan bolehkan" @.@ ( this is when i feel like their eyes got the $$ sign) and decline.

By the way, to all those who listened and thinks got "flaw" is not because the company maybe a con artist,
please think CAREFULLY that the consultants are probably NEWBIES and are also WORKING like U and me.
So try to be more like ME and ask to talk to the MANAGERS instead. they will explain all doubts you have.

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QUOTE(halofujima @ Nov 22 2008, 02:31 AM)
Then they explain la on the calculation and all... and I start to get bored...just want to get out of there, but they ask me to stay , voucher on the way( wait for 1 hour)

The reason I didnt invest is because they want the answer today. Then they start to ask (before telling that the cow is 26k) If the cow is at your budget range, will you take it today?( I say yes) Then they say 26k+ per cow , deposit 30% which is 8k+ for production fees.(I dont have that $$ now) Then how much can you pay? (I got RM 300 in my wallet now) Credit card? (I dont feel like using it, can you let me think about it for a day?) Then they argue with me , just now you say can give us answer today, if cannot , tell us earlier, dont waste both our times... Then they say they will accept the RM 300 as deposit which is NOT REFUNDABLE and will apply for loan from Aggro Bank i think "kami akan cuba dapatkan kelulusan , tak boleh pun kami akan bolehkan" @.@ ( this is when i feel like their eyes got the $$ sign) and decline.

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Seems like they are very desperate to get people money, first can't get your 8K+, then you don't have, Rm 300 also want to sapu. sweat.gif rolleyes.gif

Must force people to make instant decision, tomorrow also can't?

Just pure instinct and common sense, something are not right on the desperate for money part and forcing people to straight away giving out money on the spot, and even more doggy on your Rm300 part.

Below, this statement is a joke. whistling.gif
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"kami akan cuba dapatkan kelulusan , tak boleh pun kami akan bolehkan"


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QUOTE(halofujima @ Nov 22 2008, 03:31 AM)
By the way, to all those who listened and thinks got "flaw" is not because the company maybe a con artist,
please think CAREFULLY that the consultants are probably NEWBIES and are also WORKING like U and me.
So try to be more like ME and ask to talk to the MANAGERS instead. they will explain all doubts you have.
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If the scheme is a sure win and sincere in helping investors in making $$, why they hire newbies and doesn't train them well to handle potential investors? Are these consultants also enticed to join this company by the luring of easy bucks/commissions to find as much participant as possible, regardless of the "product" they're selling (like some MLMs) ?

You have shot yourself on the foot by blaming on poorly trained newbie consultants causing the doubts. This means the higher level of management FAILED in training them well, and only fed them what they need to hear (easy $$$, commission) in maybe a half day training session, perhaps? Then let the out in the wild to "mislead" other people from what they're trained to do.



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There is one thing you need to be aware of ...

Sometimes the con artists don't lie to you all the way. They lie to you, half way.

What I am saying is, the con artists could have told you a half truth !!

There are lies, there are damn lies, and then, there are half truths.

After reading your post, an image comes up in my mind --- it could be true that Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia is one of the supporter for this program, ( I often watch the agri program they air on RTM 1, and they did talk about raising cows here for meat and milk, but I digress ) back to the topic ... Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia could be one of the initiator for this program, but that does NOT mean Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia is responsible for it.

Stupid con man tells people lies.

Smart con man play their cards very close to their chests, and some of their cards are underwritten by real sponsor and/or real government agencies !

You ought to be suspicious when they tell you if the cow dies, they will replace a cow with the same age. What are they trying to tell you?

I mean, if my cow dies at the age of 4, they go buy one cow 4 years old as a replacement? Where to buy a 4 year old cow? Is it a milk cow or a meat cow?

It's not a question of untrained promoters. If the program is solid enough, even untrained promoters are able to paint a whole picture for the prospects. The picture they are painting, btw, is really lousy, full of holes.

In our country, Malaysia, whenever a program is sponsored by the government, especially those programs sponsored by UMNO, they will sure throw lots and lots of money to get it started. The Milk Cow Farming program, as the promoters have outlined, is facing cash-flow problems.

Else they wouldn't come out to the public asking strangers for money.

And in between --- between the government throw lots of money to start it, and the cash-poor situation now, what happened?

Has the program failed?

Or is someone makan banyak banyak until the program kaki lembeh already?

These are the things we, as investors, have to think of.



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Business JV among friends/family/relatives also can go sour, some more this is some stranger you meet for 2 hrs biggrin.gif

Even when buying house, we should look for good developers with good history. It all boils down to trust. Unfortunately, many Malaysians tend to trust strangers, even those sms and email scams.


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Bukan scamlah. Aku pun dah letih nak explain benda nie hari-hari. Itulah pasal sampai ari nie orang melayu tak maju, tak pernah nak support bangsa sendiri. Itu pasal orang cina dapat pegang Kementerian Perumahan & Kerajaan Tempatan pun dah boleh jadi kaya sebab bermacam-macam lesen diaorang boleh keluarkan dari KPKT. Lesen developer lah, lesen along lah, tu sume citer buat duit. Kalau kau tengok paper cina selalu front page keluar citer apa? Citer saham jatuh, citer saham naik, citer duit, citer business. Sampai bila nak harapkan bantuan kerajaan nak buat projek? Kepala otak kena pakai bukan nak tunggu cable dah besar bapak gajah, politik sana-politik sini bukan nak perjuangkan nasib bangsa, tapi nak isi temolok sendiri. Itu beza orang cina dengan melayu. Orang cina pakai kepala otak, orang Melayu pakai kepala kabel politik. Ingat senang sekarang nak dapat loan? Siapa sendiri berani bet dengan aku kalau aku preparekan the best loan paper on the planet pun, boleh dapat loan? Nampak sangat kau tak tau apa yang kau cakap tu.

Nie dengar betul-betul. Kalau tak faham memang betullah orang putih cakap orang Melayu memang bangsa bodoh. Malu aku jadi Melayu.

Projek ni sebagai menyambut seruan kerajaan melalui Dasar Pertanian Negara Yang Ke-3 (1998-2010) YANG MENGGALAKKAN PENGLIBATAN SEKTOR SWASTA SECARA KOMERSIL DAN BESAR-BESARAN DALAM MEMAJUKAN INDUSTRI TENUSU NEGARA. Kalau nak tunggu loan government baru nak buat, tahun 3010 pun belum tentu start lagi.
Ni aku tulis bahasa penjajah sikit sebab aku dah tak larat nak translate dah. Kalau tak paham bukak kamus. Baru boleh maju!!

Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd (832757-A)., a wholly owned Bumiputera company, was formed in September 15, 2008 to undertake Malaysian government’s challenge who encourages private sectors to be involved commercially in dairy industry through Dasar Pertanian Negara Ke 3 (1998-2010). In 2007, self sufficiency rate for milk in Malaysia is a mere 4.69% (51.07 million liters). Malaysia is importing 95% (1.034 billion liters) of milk from foreign countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Holland and etc. Still the industry is worth RM 69.25 million locally. If we produce 100% of local demand, we could generate RM 1.477 billion for the country! On top of that, we will actually save RM 1.4 billion for the country, and that what we call modern patriotism. http://agrolink.moa.my/jph/dvs/statistics/...output0708e.pdf

As a result, on a very gracious evening on August 31, 2008 which is also the Independence Day of Malaysia, the first dairy farm project in Batu 14, Jalan Mersing, Kluang, Johore was officially launched by Dr. Siti Salmiyah Tahir, Head (Veterinary Officer), Dairy Section, Livestock Commodity Development Division, Department of Veterinary Services, Ministry of Agriculture & Agro-based Industry, Malaysia. http://agrolink.moa.my/jph/dvs/contact/milk/milk-hq-e.html

The project is with collaboration with Lazuli through its subsidiary, RML Livestock Corporation Sdn. Bhd, on a 100 acres land in Kluang, Johore. Lazuli and RML are reputable companies with proven track records and years of experience behind them in livestock industry both locally and internationally. RML is spearheaded by Dr. Rosli Mai Lam, B.V.Sc. (Sydney, Australia). Dr. Rosli has seen the ups and downs of the dairy industry of Malaysia over the last 25 years. With full technical support and guidance from RML and Department of Veterinary Services, we are bullish that the project will be a success.

faham tak? kalau tak faham, tanyalah kawan-kawan yang pandai cakap omputeh. website under construction prestigedairyfarm.com. Dalam minggu nie website baru boleh publish. Tengoklah gambar-gambar sepuas-puas ati. Kalau tak percaya jugak beli lembu sekor. Gambar kau pun aku boleh letak sebelah gambar lembu dalam "surat beranak" dan asal usul lembu tu. Lembu tu lembu kau. Kau nak bawak balik pun boleh. Tapi kalau kau bawak balik, kau perahlah susu tu sendiri, jual sendiri. Food Act 1955 - adalah salah untuk menjual terus hasil lembu kepada orang awam. Harga yang boleh dijamin pada tahun pertama adalah RM 2/liter. Milking parlor, cattle sheds, and yard is under construction. Bila lembu kau dah beranak nanti insyaallah tempat perah susu pun dah ada. Kau ingat nak buat sume tu free? Bukan business Ali Baba!! berjuta abis nak buat. Konsep Musyakarah (JV) 70:30. Hasil susu 70% owner lembu, 30% - PDF. Kau keluar 30 ribu, aku keluar 3 juta. Kau 70% aku 30%, tak cukup bagus ke tu? Lu pikirlah sendiri ....

Aku sedar bangsa aku sume pesimis. Sume takut risiko. Aku faham fasal opportunity risks, calculated risks and etc. Bukan aku tak tau. Tapi, yang aku sedihnya, segelintir daripada bangsa aku memang negative. Aku nak engkorang tau. Kalau kau nak report KDN nak masukkan aku dalam ISA pun suka ati kau lah. Tahun 2007, Malaysia produce 4.69% jerr dari demand susu lembu kat Malaysia nie, industri nie dah bernilai 69.25 juta. Kalau 100% - kau orang buat darab silang mcm cikgu Add Math ajar kat sekolah tu, industri nie bernilai RM 1.4 billion. Ini bukan aku yang cakap, statistik Jabatan Veterinar yang cakap. Ada dalam internet nie. Untuk khinzir pulak kadar saradiri adalah 120%. 20% boleh eksport lagik. 100% untuk local demand tu nilainya adalah RM 1.4 billion! Tak same ke dengan potensi lembu. RM 1.4 billion tu kalau dibahagikan sejuta sorang, akan wujudlah 1400 jutawan baru. Kalau sume org Melayu yang buat benda nie, takkan ada 1400 jutawan Melayu baru? DEB pun tak ada problem. Kalau nak perkasakan bangsa, perkasakan ekonomi dahulu. Aku sokong UMNO sebab UMNO saja melalui BN boleh menjamin PM adalah orang Melayu. Kalau orang cina jadi PM, dah lama dah Kementerian Kewangan bangsa lain pegang? Berapa juta lesen boleh keluar dari MoF?

Tak payah nak reply benda nie. Aku pun jarang nak bukak threads, forums nie. Kalau ada kemusykilan lanjut e-mail aku di azmi@prestigedairyfarm.com

taken from http://www.putera.com/tanya/t70135.html

i just bought 3, very worried now that i check online...anyway to get back the money?

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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Nov 24 2008, 06:44 PM)
taken from http://www.putera.com/tanya/t70135.html

i just bought 3, very worried now that i check online...anyway to get back the money?
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What do you meant?
You just posted an article which explained something supportive in the scheme; yet you're puzzled? rclxub.gif
Isn't that post of yours supporting your actions?

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still very doubtful, i prefer to get it back now since so many bad feedback regarding this
should have come back and check internet first
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keikun, you got sign any contract document or not? what does the contract say about selling back your cows to them?

one should have an "exit strategy" for any investment or business ventures.


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QUOTE(getsmart @ Nov 24 2008, 07:06 PM)
keikun, you got sign any contract document or not? what does the contract say about selling back your cows to them?

one should have an "exit strategy" for any investment or business ventures.
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first investment for me, they say sign here and there...in the end no contract for me yet until finalising everything, i paid 30% only using credit card and the rest not paid yet

anyway to stop the credit card payment, i tried to call the banks and they say they can't stop it even though its not claimed by the company yet...only the company can stop it
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Oh speak of the devil, my friend was just telling me about this yesterday. Long story though, but at the end of the day the consultant was so desperate that he asked my friend to invest RM100 first, then can top up progressively.
My friend find it to be really similar to those MLM-ers trying to persuade people to join their network.
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Nov 24 2008, 07:36 PM)
Oh speak of the devil, my friend was just telling me about this yesterday. Long story though, but at the end of the day the consultant was so desperate that he asked my friend to invest RM100 first, then can top up progressively.
My friend find it to be really similar to those MLM-ers trying to persuade people to join their network.
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LOL, first, one forumer encoutered want 8K initial deposit, but don't have, they also can deal with RM300, now another forumer with RM100 also can.

They are so desperate for the money even RM100 also want to 'sapu'?

May be next time RM 10 also can? whistling.gif
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How about Rm1.00? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Nov 24 2008, 07:13 PM)
first investment for me, they say sign here and there...in the end no contract for me yet until finalising everything, i paid 30% only using credit card and the rest not paid yet

anyway to stop the credit card payment, i tried to call the banks and they say they can't stop it even though its not claimed by the company yet...only the company can stop it
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There is one way but it is unethical, actually u just have to report that you lost your credit card and they will cancel all pending transactions.

By right if you are not comfortable with any investment don't sign anything. Once you've signed and paid it is a binding contract in legal terms as there is a valid offer, acceptance and due consideration.
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Nov 24 2008, 07:13 PM)
first investment for me, they say sign here and there...in the end no contract for me yet until finalising everything, i paid 30% only using credit card and the rest not paid yet

anyway to stop the credit card payment, i tried to call the banks and they say they can't stop it even though its not claimed by the company yet...only the company can stop it
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If there is a cooling off period usually it's 7 days, you can cancel the deal.

You bought 3 cows for RM26K each and paid RM23,400 (30%) for your first investment? For an investment which no one heard of or ever successfully invested in before? That's taking a big risk.
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yes you are right getsmart, just about to add this in but u got to it first smile.gif

If it is an investment approved by any of the Min of Finance bodies (Bank Negara/SC/SSM), there will be a cooling off period precisely to avoid these kind of situations. For Unit trust it is min 6 days.. for others like CHGS it is 10 days. Find out about your cooling off period (if any) and do act fast to cancel your investment if you are in doubt, or at least ask the consultant to answer all your doubts until you are satisfied. If you cancel during the cooling off period, you will be given a full refund.

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ok, thanks for the advise, i'll ask right away
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Nov 6 2008, 11:26 AM)
the thing i'm worried is, if the cow somehow pass away, then .....?
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flex.gif doubt,doubt,doubt and doubts.... anyway i'm new on this site.. just came back from the briefing of PDFarm at puchong. reason to search some info about the program turn out, something unprofessional reply i've read. Why so emotional? we just need something solid reason to do some investment. 26k not small amount for somebody like me who craving every month to pay and spend. This is why we need some extra income. Yet risk is everywhere in every business, still losing 200 or 300rm is a big deal for me and what's 26k.

i've been advised to use a credit card which is for 48months and still i'll get a return of 400 every month untill the 49th month i'll get back the 1k which is being promised. Why Bumi so worried to invest? it is because we don't have financial back-up.. you know how strong the chinese associated?

since emotionally replied being post.. i don't think this can give me a good investment that i'm looking for.
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Hey guys & girls!!! save your money!!! it's a scam ... please check with the "people" supposed to buy the milk from you .. and make you the load of money they promised. Do your own research!!! before investing in anything.

P.S As for the holidays i'm sure you need to put a deposit down of 50 Euro's or something. With mat kiosk it was the same.

ITS THE SAME PEOPLE AS MAT KIOSK and another WATER scam thing. They make their money the moment you give them any money ... and don't hope to get back your money if you change your mind.. unless you have legal counsel.

DON'T SAY YOU WERE NOT WARNED!!!


Added on December 2, 2008, 3:46 pmOh ya .... if it's so profitable ... wouldn't it be better for the company to keep it all for them selves. A loan would be no problem if the business plan was fool proof .. but i'm sure they have an excuse for that " The government wants to give people a chance" or " You were selected off a special list" or " you are crazy that why you should be investing" ~ LoL


Added on December 2, 2008, 3:59 pmCheck out what the others are saying http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/834067

The people promoting it are usually working there .. just beware


Added on December 2, 2008, 4:02 pmHey guys & girls!!! save your money!!! it's a scam ... please check with the "people" supposed to buy the milk from you .. and make you the load of money they promised. Do your own research!!! before investing in anything.

BTW What's a GM doing on Lowyat ... should you be working on getting people to part with their hard earned cash? ~ LoL

P.S As for the holidays i'm sure you need to put a deposit down of 50 Euro's or something. With mat kiosk it was the same.

ITS THE SAME PEOPLE AS MAT KIOSK and another WATER scam thing. They make their money the moment you give them any money ... and don't hope to get back your money if you change your mind.. unless you have legal counsel.

DON'T SAY YOU WERE NOT WARNED!!




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This is a quote from a new member: seven dahlia.
Although don't know how real is the information, he/she must had clicked the "REPORT" button instead of the "REPLY". Here it goes in BM:
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PDF aslnye adalah HBNC(hospitality biz network consultant)..
PDF ditubuhkan sebenarnye adalah untuk mengaut keuntungan dari public._

untuk mengaut keuntungan,KUASA ditubuhkan.kenapa?untuk mengelakkan diband oleh bank negara(exp-buluhmas.astana farm).

ladang di kluang sebenarnye belum siap lagi..
pihak syarikat mengumpul modal untuk pembinaan semula ladang hasil dari duit investor.

PDF juga bukan sebuah syarikat yg kukuh.Atas sebab itu mereka menggunakan nama datuk zamani..

PDF tidak ada kerjasama langsung dgn bank AGRONIAGA.

26786 adalah harga untuk seekor lembu kacuk yg dijual syarikat..walhal harga asal lembu hanya dalam 10k.
Baki adalah untung syarikat..

pihak syarikat akan mengambil 30% dari keuntungan bulanan.
Jadi,keuntungan investor hanyalah sedikit..

Pihak goodday tidak akan membeli harga susu pada 1 liter-RM2.kenapa?kerana harga pasaran susu untuk pengeluar tidak semahal itu..

hanya orang yang bodoh sahaja akan mengambil tindakan menjadi investor untuk DPF.

Bisnes lembu yg dijalankan tidak akan lama.apa gunanya CAPITAL GURNTEED dalam masa 4 tahun?
Memang PDF akan membuat pembayaran semula,tapi investor jgn lupe tentang interest yg dikenakan bank..
Adakah PDF akan membayar sekali interest yg dikenakan?
jawapanye TIDAK!

kepada pihak PDF,berpijaklah di bumi yg nyata..
mengaut keuntungan dari public bukanlah cara yang bagus..
sepandai2 tupai melompat,akhirnya akn jatuh MATI jugak..

tunggu dan lihat..
syarikat anda dalam pemerhatian..

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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Nov 24 2008, 07:36 PM)
Oh speak of the devil, my friend was just telling me about this yesterday. Long story though, but at the end of the day the consultant was so desperate that he asked my friend to invest RM100 first, then can top up progressively.
My friend find it to be really similar to those MLM-ers trying to persuade people to join their network.
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I told the aforementioned friend about this thread. Consider this a bump, so that it's easier for him to find it. Perhaps he might tell the whole story. laugh.gif
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Under M'sian Law, only credit company and bank are allowed to collect money for investment. Insurance companies falls somewhere in these defination.

That's why our local telco, like Maxis, Celcom cannot have the extra service like in Japan where they can use the mobile phone to pay for tickets la, LRT la because simply they cannot collect money in advance and do things that is outside the principal business activities.

Any other companies with claims to be able 'assist' you with investment, or sell you any other investment products with commodity linked instrument, are NOT LEGIT.

As compare the meagre meal voucher after the 2 hours rubbish talk, perhaps, one could go to Securities Commission at Bukit Kiara.

The reward for successful prosecution is RM100,000 or more, but I may be wrong. Don't need a fool to tell you that RM100,000 can buy more meals!
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QUOTE(gsuave @ Dec 12 2008, 09:56 AM)
Under M'sian Law, only credit company and bank are allowed to collect money for investment. Insurance companies falls somewhere in these defination.

That's why our local telco, like Maxis, Celcom cannot have the extra service like in Japan where they can use the mobile phone to pay for tickets la, LRT la because simply they cannot collect money in advance and do things that is outside the principal business activities.

Any other companies with claims to be able 'assist' you with investment, or sell you any other investment products with commodity linked instrument, are NOT LEGIT.

As compare the meagre meal voucher after the 2 hours rubbish talk, perhaps, one could go to Securities Commission at Bukit Kiara.

The reward for successful prosecution is RM100,000 or more, but I may be wrong. Don't need a fool to tell you that RM100,000 can buy more meals!
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CHECK THIS WEBSTITE:

http://www.mfa.org.my/?forum:prestige-dair....a-:16195-frm-4


Added on January 29, 2009, 12:10 am
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If you got call to claim free airplane ticket/voucher FOC at wisma PPV, jln Bangsar, you will probably facing this issue.
If you go to their place, they will ask you to attend a short briefing regarding investment in dairy
farm.
Why I though it is a scam? because it is full of flaw

I got their call during fasting months and I went to their place. I decided to go since I will have
free dinner  thumbup.gif
There is 1 person incharge to give me a briefing, he start by asking me what person in phone
told or promise me. you will feel weird since if it is a good investment or stuff, you will find it
will always stick to the facts or 1 direction.

kinder quite long explanation, im not got at explanation, but most of it is about
the benefits such as 1 liter milk got RMXX, then times 30 days and etc.

I will list the thing I think it is a flaw.

- he keep asking me what people on phone told /promise me.

- the picture is about dairy process only, not about the actual place, actual event, actual person.

-all the cow milk will be sell to Jabatan Tenusu, then  I thought there is no Jabatan Tenusu in Malaysia,
we got veterinar but not tenusu. there is no further explaination after jabatan tenusu, where the specified
place, which branch do it.

-there is takaful insurans if the cow got a problem,  I asked what kind of Takaful, he said Takaful Malaysia(with hesitation).
I don't think insurans company will cover it since it is a high risk, unless the payment is high, he did not even
mentions about insurans payment.

-he don't even know the exact place of dairy farm. there is no location state in presentation or pictures. all pictures
is about dairy process or benefits.

-there is no catch at all


Added on November 2, 2008, 11:06 pmI think it is same company selling top up machines at very high prices.
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http://www.mfa.org.my/?forum:prestige-dair....a-:16195-frm-4

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old news already bro, anything new?
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yea I got an update here. PDF is no longer at Jln Bangsar.

They are now at:
No 17-3, Jalan Puteri 2/7, Bandar Puteri Puchong (above OLD BOY cafe ) , opposite Gaint.

I have just got their call and sms regarding to a free meal voucher
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how come they can still operate?
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QUOTE(chowsc @ Feb 3 2009, 06:09 PM)
yea I got an update here. PDF is no longer at Jln Bangsar.

They are now at:
No 17-3, Jalan Puteri 2/7, Bandar Puteri Puchong (above OLD BOY cafe ) , opposite Gaint.

I have just got their call and sms regarding to a free meal voucher
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they just invited me to this address leh
Wisma PPV, No. 103-2, Jln Bangsar, 592200 KL sweat.gif

QUOTE(ajay67 @ Feb 3 2009, 07:25 PM)
how come they can still operate?
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QUOTE(mkazmi @ Nov 5 2008, 03:02 PM)
Dear ALL,

Prestige Dairy Farm is a legitimate business and far being a con job. Contact me directly at (03) 22825786 for further clarification.

Mohd Khairol Azmi Jaafar
General Manager
Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd.
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Regardless of how true your busines is, why people must decide whether to invest thousand of RM (i'm talking bout 5 figures!!!) on that day itself without even given the opportunity to do due diligence / checking /etc.

Real professionals do / venture into business only after site visits, checking with legitimate/independant lawyers, business evaluetion etc... NOT ONE DAY, in fact ppl are pressured to decide on the spot, IT IS definitely a scam!!!

U think think is traders buying into stock market?? even investment in shares is 100 times safer...

If the business opportunity is soo good, why must one day?? don't give crap like u dun wan to waste time, etc. those are excuse to scam ppl


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:40 pm
QUOTE(halofujima @ Nov 22 2008, 02:31 AM)
Hey guys , get your facts right.

I've been there and what they offer is a simple explanation on what is it all about which took 2 hours ++
but i got the voucher at the end of the deal even after i decline to join their investment.

The project is supported by Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia and RM livestock,

And what are you will be investing is on "milking cows"

If you MALAYSIAN even know about the country, (and I hope please do before being an idiot with wrong facts)
it is stated that the Malaysia will try to lower the import for milk as we are currently only having only 5% of local milk.
It is in Harian Metro last month i think.

Therefore this Dairy Farm is trying to import the cows themself to do the milking itself.
The Cost for the cow is 26k+ which comes with all the cow food and workers for taking care of the cow.( i think they will makan abit la for $$)

So the income is from milk, meat, and baby cow..
So... after buying (investing) on the cow. the milk will be sold to the Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia. which is where you get your profit..
Meat to RM livestock..
Baby cow to Dairy Farm , 

So during the presentation. i ask :
1.What happens if the cow dies? Got insurance (RM 500 / year) die will replace new cow @ same age. After 8 years, they will kill the cow and sell it's meat, one cow around 500kg for RM 20++ per kg..
2.where is this farm? Johor if you are interested , i can bring u there to choose your cow. @.@
3.How come the baby cow only worth RM250 when sold to the farm while I buy for 26k? (bull** and say import use alot money, baby use alot food product then he change topic, You know 1 cow can give birth to how many baby?(dunno) 10/ year.so you get extra 2500 per year.
4.How much milk they produce? 20litre per per day @ RM 3 per litre. so few hundred k $$. if they milk less than 10litre, they will kill the cow and replace new because sick. o.O

Then they explain la on the calculation and all... and I start to get bored...just want to get out of there, but they ask me to stay , voucher on the way( wait for 1 hour)

The reason I didnt invest is because they want the answer today. Then they start to ask (before telling that the cow is 26k) If the cow is at your budget range, will you take it today?( I say yes) Then they say 26k+ per cow , deposit 30% which is 8k+ for production fees.(I dont have that $$ now) Then how much can you pay? (I got RM 300 in my wallet now) Credit card? (I dont feel like using it, can you let me think about it for a day?) Then they argue with me , just now you say can give us answer today, if cannot , tell us earlier, dont waste both our times... Then they say they will accept the RM 300 as deposit which is NOT REFUNDABLE and will apply for loan from Aggro Bank i think "kami akan cuba dapatkan kelulusan , tak boleh pun kami akan bolehkan" @.@ ( this is when i feel like their eyes got the $$ sign) and decline.

By the way, to all those who listened and thinks got "flaw" is not because the company maybe a con artist,
please think CAREFULLY that the consultants are probably NEWBIES and are also WORKING like U and me.
So try to be more like ME and ask to talk to the MANAGERS instead. they will explain all doubts you have.
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For the benefit oof the doubt, i truly thinks the busines sounds viable, but it's a scam when they push you to invest that amount of money and decide on the spot. This is not buying handphone and even pc for couple of thousand. this is like buying a car!!!

Anyway, how do you use the voucher??? Free accomodation rite?? What hotel??
. i've tried emailing to the email address stated in the voucher, the email addrs is in valid...hmmmm....


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:49 pm
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What do you meant?
You just posted an article which explained something supportive in the scheme; yet you're puzzled?  rclxub.gif
Isn't that post of yours supporting your actions?
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They posted post sounded very unprofessional. ..this even makes it more dodgy...no wonder so many doubted the business. this kinda managemaent attitude and professionalism, how to ensure they are making your money worth invest??? yeah better sell back the 3 cows fast....

btw, 3 cows?? that at least more than 50K!!! sorry but i have doubts on your legitimate statement as well...

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im glad everybody aware of it.
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QUOTE(mmusang @ Feb 19 2009, 12:48 AM)
im glad everybody aware of it.
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too late for me already, everyone pls take note of this company

the general manager Alysious say can return my money but cannot say when? WTF!
will go to police and consumer affair in 1 month time since just sent them letter
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too late for me already, everyone pls take note of this company

the general manager Alysious say can return my money but cannot say when? WTF!
will go to police and consumer affair in 1 month time since just sent them letter
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Pls Update us.
Just to educate us so if there are similar "products" out there, we can do the same.
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Malaysians must be really desperate for money nowadays to actually believe in this.
You would actually think after all the MLM stories, water machine and all the schemes, people will actually be smarter and less gullible to part with their money.

I guess some things never change.

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QUOTE(Aloong @ Feb 22 2009, 04:41 PM)
Pls Update us.
Just to educate us so if there are similar "products" out there, we can do the same.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Feb 22 2009, 05:39 PM)
Malaysians must be really desperate for money nowadays to actually believe in this.
You would actually think after all the MLM stories, water machine and all the schemes, people will actually be smarter and less gullible to part with their money.

I guess some things never change.
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wat to do, human nature is greed
thats why this cheating will never stop
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hello...

berkenaan dengan PDF ni....entah lah, aku pun nampaknya terperangkap oleh "lelembu susu" yg seksi kat situ. dah sebelah kaki dah beb!

yang latest info aku dpt tangkap....projek ni baru nak bermula bulan Mac 2009 ni, tapi yang dorang dok tayang dalam video tu saper punyer?...yang ada orang dapat payment cheque tu which biznes?

satu lagi...takdak track record pun dlm bidang tenusu ni...
support daripada jabatan haiwan....korang try check laa....
sorang pun tak tahu menahu ttg projek PDF ni...bleh check jabatan haiwan HQ diputrajaya kalau mau...

alahai satu lagi, kalau skim ni betul lah...betul kejap jerrrr.....lepas tahun pertama, tutup kedai lah!

kenapa?...sebabnya target PDF ni nak bela 400 ekor lembu susu....300 dia punya (katanya lah)...100 ekor utk prlabur drp public..

kalau harga RM26k ++ seekor, kali ngan 100, dah dpt 2.60juta,
habis kalau 300 ekor tu pun public punya...dah jadi 10.4 juta...so, dah boleh blahhh la...makan x habis...
masa tu PDF disita sbb SCAM....tp tuanpunya company....millionaire beb!
tutup company jer...tp poket dorang tebal!!

heheh.....lu pikir la sendiri!


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that remain to be seen, i'll reserve my final judgement and wait n see
as for others, pls consider carefully n beware


Added on March 13, 2009, 7:26 pmwhy all the links given not working anymore, however u can search google for this company

http://www.mfa.org.my/?forum:hospitality-b...ase:13410-frm-4
http://www.putera.com/tanya/t70135.html


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Just got a call from them.. Asked me to come in tomorrow.
They claimed that they're giving me 2D1N voucher..
Katanya promote cuti cuti malaysia..

Then i told her, are you selling membership/ investment?
because if you are, I;m not interested..

Then dia kata tak..
kalau akak x percaya, tak payah bawak duit.
Voucher ni kita ada 30 shj.

Exactly same address..

How?? should I go?
Don't feel like it now..
But i wouldnt mind free stay tongue.gif
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QUOTE(isora @ Mar 27 2009, 05:28 PM)
Just got a call from them.. Asked me to come in tomorrow.
They claimed that they're giving me 2D1N voucher..
Katanya promote cuti cuti malaysia..

Then i told her, are you selling membership/ investment?
because if you are, I;m not interested..

Then dia kata tak..
kalau akak x percaya, tak payah bawak duit.
Voucher ni kita ada 30 shj.

Exactly same address..

How?? should I go?
Don't feel like it now..
But i wouldnt mind free stay tongue.gif
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If they can't get you to pay cash on the spot (after persuading) , they might "milk" your credit card. I guess few hours of brainwashing should be fine IF they promise and confirm give you the vouchers. If they do, I bet those vouchers wouldn't be easily used. Check with them which hotel/resort is applicable. Not to mention when they can be used (definitely not on public holidays and weekends).

good luck! smile.gif

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this is definitely scam la. 2 of my ex- friends is running this business in puchong. we parted ways also because bad blood due to this scamming business. i use to infact work for 2 months to sell those scam top up machine. those salesmen is actually con man, they job hop and the business module change, but the business nature will always be the same. that is to con people. i still remember when i was in bangsar more than a year ago, we eat at mamak and they pride themselves not as salesmen, but as conman....
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 27 2009, 06:41 PM)
this is definitely scam la. 2 of my ex- friends is running this business in puchong. we parted ways also  because bad blood due to this scamming business. i use to infact work for 2 months to sell those scam top up machine. those salesmen is actually con man, they job hop and the business module change, but the business nature will always be the same. that is to con people. i still remember when i was in bangsar more than a year ago, we eat at mamak and they pride themselves not as salesmen, but as conman....
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Mar 27 2009, 07:48 PM)
thanks for the info, everyone need to know about this  sweat.gif
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you should see their top director, last time in mat kiosk in bangsar hes just 24 but already driving an s- class.... one of their top selling group manager got 2 cars, 1 is mini another one is mazda rx8.... sweat.gif


Added on March 27, 2009, 6:55 pmjust beware if you go to this briefing, never ever bought along any credit cards with you, just bring along maybe less than rm50 bucks minimum for your travel expense. they are trained with salesmen brainwash tactic, same like those lampe bergeer conman to make the sales within the same day, because by tomoro or thereafter, if they can't close the sales on the same day, they know its a gone case already.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 27 2009, 06:52 PM)
you should see their top director, last time in mat kiosk in bangsar hes just 24 but already driving an s- class.... one of their top selling group manager got 2 cars, 1 is mini another one is mazda rx8.... sweat.gif


Added on March 27, 2009, 6:55 pmjust beware if you go to this briefing, never ever bought along any credit cards with you, just bring along maybe less than rm50 bucks minimum for your travel expense. they are trained with salesmen brainwash tactic, same like those lampe bergeer conman to make the sales within the same day, because by tomoro or thereafter, if they can't close the sales on the same day, they know its a gone case already.
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keeping your cash and credit card is no use.

They can just ask for your photostat IC or ask you to sign something. Either one is good enuf.

So dun bring ur IC, and dun sign anything, would be safer.
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too late for me.
i dah bayar deposit rm1000.

then tadi i called Jabatan veterina to confirm about this project.
that girl said, PDF ada submit paper & do the presentation.
tetapi ada sebahagian paper tu yang tak lengkap.

so i pun tak tau samada nak terus kan or tidak.
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QUOTE(tinjau_belukar @ Mar 31 2009, 05:18 PM)
too late for me.
i dah bayar deposit rm1000.

then tadi i called Jabatan veterina to confirm about this project.
that girl said, PDF ada submit paper & do the presentation.
tetapi ada sebahagian paper tu yang tak lengkap.

so i pun tak tau samada nak terus kan or tidak.
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better don't, i'm still looking for way to get back the money
will update here once i know how
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Hi, I just came back from PDF few hours ago... There now expanded to JB...I also found vary suspisious for the investment scheme and I ask a lot of question to the salesperson till him cannot answer...
I ask him why they wan to share with public as the program is so profitable...they can keep by themself rather to ask investor to share with them... then the salesperson ask d manager to answer me, he say it is co-operation program with government, they will need to sell 2300 license for 2009, now left abt 450.. Then I ask him to show me the clause or the contract, he instead ask me to confirm the deal.
D manager said whatever contract with governement in black and white.. however when I request for the evidence.. he cannot proof... and show me the letter tt pengarah kelantan to change 6 local cow with their 2 cow.. to proof their cow's quality... not the evidence tt I wan.. and yet he said he answered my qustion, I reply him not the anwer tt I want.. u know how he answer me.. he said he dun need to convince me... the investor will trust on the company and won't ask for the documents for proof...
Please be aware, if any friend in JB. Their office is on 15th floor in CitiPlaza.. I saw some of the visitor sign the documents...
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yep there is a lot of flaw in their argument or explanation. what they care is to collect money, not a safety of people's money.
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QUOTE(mkazmi @ Nov 5 2008, 11:38 PM)
Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd.

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Added on November 5, 2008, 11:44 pmIt's not an investment per say. It's Contract Farming with JV Agreement. 70-30. You buy a cattle and bear the cost for 8 years, we take care of the cattle and the milk lactation between 10-25 litres daily will be divided in 70:30 equation. 70% to the dairy farmer, and 30% to PDF. By right, the cattle is yours.
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hello the "General Manager" from the Prestige Dairy Farm, are you going to defend your company since so many LYNs here have commented about your so call good "Contract farming with JV agreement"?

or you already diving into the sea? doh.gif
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it wonders, why this topic has been talking bout it so long but we dun see enforecement being made by the govt. Even the company number is mentioned.

How efficient is our government??
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not very efficient.....apparently dis kind of company maybe started by dunno which rich dato dato...
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guess it was a scam biggrin.gif
i got a call from them last year.. saying i got free cow and one more gift.. errr guess is a trip to dono where jor..
said all i need to to attend the seminar and no need to pay anythg... to convince me.. asked me not to bring my c/card / wallet too biggrin.gif
then sms me saying there is an appt. on the next day ..
next day .. a new sms from a digi number (diff one) again asking to confirm my seminar time..
still i din attend and they din call me ever since...


Just becarefull of the $ u spend on it ..

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not very efficient.....apparently dis kind of company maybe started by dunno which rich dato dato...
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Looks like they are going all out now and using different tactics to lure new victims.

I got a call from them last Friday, telling me they are from Prestige Dairy Farm Berhad, and their office at Tingkat 3, Wisma PPV, No 103, Jalan Bangsar.
No more free vacations or free meals (those are OLD tactics), they use a new tactic by saying that they are linked with the government, and they are offering a new scheme, whereby selected candidates will be given free land (tanah), free advice, and free money to do the modern agricultural farming activities. Sounds very impressive, huh?

I told them I'm working, and my office is at Putrajaya. The caller said that he can arrange the meeting to be done at 7.30pm! Hmm.. that really rung a warning bell in my head, as government related agencies wil not work after office hours.
Anyway, to cut story short, the caller still pursue me until today for me to attend the talk.

Thank God, I google the company's name and found this thread!

Thanks so much, guys, for the input. This really saves people from getting scammed and cheated!


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QUOTE(Ironlady @ May 12 2009, 01:44 PM)
Looks like they are going all out now and using different tactics to lure new victims.

I got a call from them last Friday, telling me they are from Prestige Dairy Farm Berhad, and their office at Tingkat 3, Wisma PPV, No 103, Jalan Bangsar.
No more free vacations or free meals (those are OLD tactics), they use a new tactic by saying that they are linked with the government, and they are offering a new scheme, whereby selected candidates will be given free land (tanah), free advice, and free money to do the modern agricultural farming activities. Sounds very impressive, huh?

I told them I'm working, and my office is at Putrajaya. The caller said that he can arrange the meeting to be done at 7.30pm! Hmm.. that really rung a warning bell in my head, as government related agencies wil not work after office hours.
Anyway, to cut story short, the caller still pursue me until today for me to attend the talk.

Thank God, I google the company's name and found this thread!

Thanks so much, guys, for the input. This really saves people from getting scammed and cheated!
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wow new tactic huh ... tongue.gif
just bear in mind.. there is not such free lunch wink.gif

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Seems like everybody in here is 'looking' for something/somewhere to point their fingers at, like "Whew!! At least there's a place for me to throw all my doubts like sooooooo many people that 'supposed' of being so called cheated/so near of being cheated". rclxms.gif

Well, put all your blames aside and think!(Wisely, not ...) Why not get the clear picture from Jabatan Perkhidmatan Veterinar, Malaysia(don't ask neighbour countries) and please,please... don't ask the reception (who knows only to pick the phone!) Ask the head - Dr Siti Salmiyah Tahir. You could be getting the answers you've been grousing and grumbling about whether it's true or not. Not by just asking the consultants questions that's out of their authority to ask and to show you the proof. Some things are P&C. shakehead.gif

Example: Try asking the govt. to show you the agreement of the sub purchase, b'cos you can argue that as a citizen, you have the right to know. mad.gif Can you do this? OR ask your parents How & what style they used to conceive you, huh? the reason is b'cos you are their child! rclxm9.gif
Then post it in here with all the capital letters if you want to. I would also like to know the end result. I can be as "kay-poh" as you.. doh.gif

Not by just simply asking "IS THIS A SCAM?" What kind of explaination you'll get by just asking that? Ask more profound questions: Where's the address of farm?(for those who still blur and don't know) Who runs the farm? What's the farm doing-Cows/Goats/Pigs/Turkeys/Chickens???(for those who fell asleep during the presentation...maybe yesterday O.T too much) sweat.gif

It's good to have the sense of 'Insecurity' but please get the answers from the right person, not from those "mat konon pandai" whistling.gif and since you all have missed it, here's the link http://agrolink.moa.my/jph/dvs/contact/milk/milk-hq-e.html

Please, don't "chicken" yourself by throwing in the unneeded remarks. If you think you are "Smart" enough, go check it yourself and get the answer, not just sit like a duck and just know how to point your finger. hmm.gif Please don't ask me who or what I'm doing cos you've got nothing to do with me. Treat me as being just "kay-poh".

Oh! Before I forget, I have a question: Does anybody doing business just for fun and don't want any profit? I know some will answer: Charity-lah.. Ask yourself this: Would you do a business that don't make money? drool.gif

Don't forget to update your findings.....
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All these information should be in a prospectus given by PDF if they do have a prospectus.

BTW, their website http://www.prestigedairyfarm.com projects 12.5% (not guaranteed) return for 8 yrs.

Personally, with 26k, i rather invest in some big listed companies with proven profitable history. What's with all these agro businesses like growing agarwood, leeches, earthworms, milk cows, etc nowadays? Government got subsidise money or give grant ?
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I agree that these info should be in a prospectus but they are not doing/giving out any bcos the way they are doing is invite prospects to their office for a presentation and get a deal-on-the-day and not doing it internationally doh.gif . As we all know, not all local companies in Malaysia practice the use of prospectus unless they have to make make a bank loan. sweat.gif

Why they are trying their best to get the deal-on-day is to save the cost of following up with the prospect. Bear in mind, some prospect will feel pestered and get angered and frustrated with follow ups!! Do you like insurance agents / MLMers?? brows.gif

Now, it's a business-partner that they are looking for, in the sense that, they provide:
1. Land
2. High tech milking equipment
3. Buildings / structures for the cause
4. Hassle free in purchasing + importing the best and most suitable cattle
5. Labours and expertise in taking care of the cattle, including the A.I.(artificial insemination)
6. Marketing - getting milk buyer
7. Accounting - depositing monthly nett profit into cattle owner's account

Most of all, please don't forget it's live cattle in the dealings here, how can u be so sure/precise of the fixed guaranteed income compared to manufacturing products?? doh.gif Can u guarantee that you'll be well and kicking the next day u wake up? hmm.gif Anyway, there is this replacement scheme in force to protect u if ur cattle forget to breath the next minute.. biggrin.gif

Now talking about returns....How much interest a bank u get a year? Let's make it 3.5%..and that is suppose to be the most secured and the most trustworthy corporation in the world bcos it's where u put ur hard earned money into and even they can declare bankrupt, how do people don't THINK of that!? Insurance company consolidated and bankrupt!! Don't tell me nobody heard of those news? blink.gif Now tell me....WHAT IS GUARANTEED RETURN in business??? Please wake up and use some common sense,man.. cry.gif

About investing in big listed companies is actually going into share market and that is at the mercy of the market fluctuation risk!!-TELL ME IF I'M WRONG!! Now what IS on everybody's BIG MOUTH???--ECONOMY IS BAD-- but actually how bad is it? Can anybody GUARANTEE the share is sure to go up? When is BULL and when is BEAR?

It's a totally different scenario in agro-farming. Tell me, economy bad but do u eat? drink? Don't tell me u eat and recycle food. Same goes here, milk is everybody's every day's need and usage..one way or another..from children to old age.

....to be cont'd...

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Now talking about returns....How much interest a bank u get a year? Let's make it 3.5%..and that is suppose to be the most secured and the most trustworthy corporation in the world bcos it's where u put ur hard earned money into and even they can declare bankrupt, how do people don't THINK of that!? Insurance company consolidated and bankrupt!! Don't tell me nobody heard of those news? blink.gif Now tell me....WHAT IS GUARANTEED RETURN in business??? Please wake up and use some common sense,man.. cry.gif

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Just don't want to see this kind of 'scaring' tactic (no offence) to tell people money in bank will go together with banks.

Even bank declare bankruptcy, your saving in banks is guaranteed by PIDM in Malaysia or FDIC in US.
Just for all information, all money deposits in Malaysia even in foreign currency account is 100% guaranteed until the end of 2010.

Also in normal day, generally, BNM or every central banks will step in and intervene the financial instituition like banks and insurance company once they are in trouble due to systemic risk involved.

It is same with insurance, once insurance company fall below the capital requirement, BNM will step in just like recent Tahan Insurance case.

Understand the risk is one thing, but scaring people is another thing. You don't tell others your money in banks is not safe, so better invest in xyz product or scheme, it is not right in the first place without proper understanding of the risk of deposit in banks.

No offence. smile.gif

Cheers.

If a company is offering investment scheme to the public, it is wrong and illegal without SC approval, as simple as that.
Prospectus is norm for any investment scheme, you don't let people to understand through printed paper and proper explaination before committing hard earned money? shocking.gif
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Okay, maybe i've misled readers here. Thanks a lot for pointing it out, I've forgotten about BNM. rclxub.gif Pardon me for being a bank staff back in 1980s... sad.gif I should put it this way:

Now talking about returns....How much interest u get from a bank? Let's make it 3.5%..and that is suppose to be the most secured and the most trustworthy corporation in the world bcos it's where u put ur hard earned money into and even they can declare bankrupt, how do people don't THINK of that as a corporation!? Insurance company consolidated and bankrupt!! Don't tell me nobody heard of those news? blink.gif Now tell me....WHAT IS GUARANTEED RETURN IN BUSINESS??? Please wake up and use some common sense,man.. cry.gif
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Even bank declare bankruptcy, your saving in banks is guaranteed by PIDM in Malaysia or FDIC in US.
Just for all information, all money deposits in Malaysia even in foreign currency account is 100% guaranteed until the end of 2010.
It is same with insurance, once insurance company fall below the capital requirement, BNM will step in just like recent Tahan Insurance case.
(thanks for the lines of words... biggrin.gif )

Those 2 paragraphs are about the savings and investments of your hard earned money. notworthy.gif


Quote getsmart:

--[BTW, their website http://www.prestigedairyfarm.com projects 12.5% (not guaranteed) return for 8 yrs.
Personally, with 26k, i rather invest in some big listed companies with proven profitable history.]--


About investing in big listed companies is actually going into share market and that is at the mercy of the market fluctuation risk!!-TELL ME IF I'M WRONG!! Now what IS on everybody's BIG MOUTH???--ECONOMY IS BAD-- (the word hanging by the lips regardless it effects them or not) but actually how bad is it? Can anybody GUARANTEE the share is sure to go up or down? When is BULL and when is BEAR?

It's a totally different scenario in agro-farming. Tell me, economy bad but do u eat? drink? Don't tell me u eat and recycle food. Milk is everybody's every day's need and usage..one way or another..from children to old age.

WHAT IS GUARANTEED RETURN IN BUSINESS??? In business there's always uncertainties, there's no so called guaranteed income. I didn't say your money in banks is not safe, so better invest in xyz product or scheme.. what i meant was, this agro-farming(milk) is totally different scenario comparing manufacturing products (not daily needed food) whereby, when the demand drops so does the manufacturing sector's income. This company is dealing with dairy or to be exact cattle for MILKing where local only able to produce 5% and 95% are imported, do you think the demand here in Malaysia even the world will drop? I don't think so.. hmm.gif

Anyway, it's also different scenario bcos this company is not offering any investment scheme, they r selling to you the dairy cattle and at the same time they r offering to take care of 'YOUR' dairy cattles that u buy, does the necessary tiring work load for u, milk the cattle, do stacks of paperwork for u, sell the milk for u and deposit the revenue/nett profit into your bank account. Isn't it like owning a company? drool.gif In another word, this is out-sourcing where you can save your precious time in doing other things. Remember: YOU don't invest and YOU don't even get to INVEST in this company, sorry not for you now!! shakehead.gif

This company is NOT asking you to dump in your money, whether there is a cattle or not, they promise you'll get the revenue. It is sort like a service that they r providing including selling the dairy cattle to you, so you don't have to do the necessaries. Let others do the dirty job for you and you take the nett profit is like owning a business already. In the end of the contract, you are SUPPOSE to take back YOUR cattle but if you don't want it, the company is still offering to buy back YOUR cattle.

In the whole presentation, you should be shown all the details plus a detailed explanation. The company doesn't prepare prospectus that each and every prospects will get. Think about the cost of not 1 copy, (if plain photostat, you'll think cheapskate shakehead.gif ) sure it'll be added to the price value, do you want to simply pay extra bcos of the prospectus? Maybe some 'kaya' ones don't really mind and some will even say 'OK' for the profits you'll get in return. Ask yourself honestly, not all but how many of u out there doesn't really bother and heck care about prices? Don't cheat yourself, please. Simple example: SALE!!

It's the agreement that binds the business partner and the company. Please go through and understand the agreement before u sign! Don't simply sign blindly and at the end of the day crying cry.gif like a baby asking for a refund bcos your FRIEND(S) says so.

Once again I want readers to know that I'm NOT representing the said company by saying all this but is through my understandings of what this company is doing. I'm just trying to clear some of your clogged brains out from grouses and misconception (people say A u say A, never have the guts to know better). Or treat me that I'm just being a "kay-poh", i don't mind whistling.gif
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Hey guys , get your facts right.

I've been there and what they offer is a simple explanation on what is it all about which took 2 hours ++
but i got the voucher at the end of the deal even after i decline to join their investment.

The project is supported by Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia and RM livestock,

And what are you will be investing is on "milking cows"

If you MALAYSIAN even know about the country, (and I hope please do before being an idiot with wrong facts)
it is stated that the Malaysia will try to lower the import for milk as we are currently only having only 5% of local milk.
It is in Harian Metro last month i think.

Therefore this Dairy Farm is trying to import the cows themself to do the milking itself.
The Cost for the cow is 26k+ which comes with all the cow food and workers for taking care of the cow.( i think they will makan abit la for $$)

So the income is from milk, meat, and baby cow..
So... after buying (investing) on the cow. the milk will be sold to the Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia. which is where you get your profit..
Meat to RM livestock..
Baby cow to Dairy Farm , 

So during the presentation. i ask :
1.What happens if the cow dies? Got insurance (RM 500 / year) die will replace new cow @ same age. After 8 years, they will kill the cow and sell it's meat, one cow around 500kg for RM 20++ per kg..
2.where is this farm? Johor if you are interested , i can bring u there to choose your cow. @.@
3.How come the baby cow only worth RM250 when sold to the farm while I buy for 26k? (bull** and say import use alot money, baby use alot food product then he change topic, You know 1 cow can give birth to how many baby?(dunno) 10/ year.so you get extra 2500 per year.
4.How much milk they produce? 20litre per per day @ RM 3 per litre. so few hundred k $$. if they milk less than 10litre, they will kill the cow and replace new because sick. o.O

Then they explain la on the calculation and all... and I start to get bored...just want to get out of there, but they ask me to stay , voucher on the way( wait for 1 hour)

The reason I didnt invest is because they want the answer today. Then they start to ask (before telling that the cow is 26k) If the cow is at your budget range, will you take it today?( I say yes) Then they say 26k+ per cow , deposit 30% which is 8k+ for production fees.(I dont have that $$ now) Then how much can you pay? (I got RM 300 in my wallet now) Credit card? (I dont feel like using it, can you let me think about it for a day?) Then they argue with me , just now you say can give us answer today, if cannot , tell us earlier, dont waste both our times... Then they say they will accept the RM 300 as deposit which is NOT REFUNDABLE and will apply for loan from Aggro Bank i think "kami akan cuba dapatkan kelulusan , tak boleh pun kami akan bolehkan" @.@ ( this is when i feel like their eyes got the $$ sign) and decline.

By the way, to all those who listened and thinks got "flaw" is not because the company maybe a con artist,
please think CAREFULLY that the consultants are probably NEWBIES and are also WORKING like U and me.
So try to be more like ME and ask to talk to the MANAGERS instead. they will explain all doubts you have.
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I rather buy real Wagyu and Kobe cow to invest in rather than this. Haha.. If the business so good. Why don't they take all to themself. If wanna benefit others, where got such company except foundation company. If they don't have enough money and yet need capital, why don't they just raised capital by borrowing from bank and if this is a multi million opportunity, they can even get listed in share market hence earn more money and even can benefit other by buying its share.. Short saying.. scam and please do your research before investing. Our gov does not protect us from scam as when u put money and they give your cert or etc.. Even a consideration of RM1mio to buy a Proton Saga is valid in eyes of law.

So get the fact right and invest in government bonds such as Amanah Saham now which is safest investment now as its by government. Unless if our government is no more then our money is burn which is highly unlikely at all. 99.999% of secure investment rather than this 99.999% sure kena scam investment.
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If a company is offering investment scheme to the public, it is wrong and illegal without SC approval, as simple as that.
Prospectus is norm for any investment scheme, you don't let people to understand through printed paper and proper explaination before committing hard earned money?  shocking.gif
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Not true, it all depends on which Ministry of Finance umbrella the investment falls under :-

1) BN
2) SC
3) SSM

All 3 of them have their own jurisdiction depending on the investment subject matter.

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What guarantee they will buy back the cow when you want to sell?
If they so rich, why need your investment?
If banks won't lend them money (let's say at 6% only) why should you?

Big listed companies has been making money year after year even in bad economy smile.gif. How can you compare with a SDN BHD that has never made profit?

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-there is takaful insurans if the cow got a problem,  I asked what kind of Takaful, he said Takaful Malaysia(with hesitation).
I don't think insurans company will cover it since it is a high risk, unless the payment is high, he did not even
mentions about insurans payment.

Added on November 2, 2008, 11:06 pmI think it is same company selling top up machines at very high prices.
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i just checked with someone from takaful malaysia
they do not have such insurance for live stocks like cows
overall capital insurance yes, but you still need verify what exactly is insured for
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QUOTE(getsmart @ Jun 2 2009, 10:53 AM)
@firdaus
What guarantee they will buy back the cow when you want to sell?
If they so rich, why need your investment?
If banks won't lend them money (let's say at 6% only) why should you?

Big listed companies has been making money year after year even in bad economy smile.gif.  How can you compare with a SDN BHD that has never made profit?
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The 'buy back' is an OPTION given by the company, if u can't trust that statement, good. Then at the expiry of the Agreement, you CAN get your own transport, bring out the cow and sell it at the market (why the fuss??).
It's totally NOT a matter of being 'so rich' that need your investment even NOT about lending your money to them. It's about BUSINESS!!!
There r a 3 simple(no need to crack your head thinking) scenario here:

1. Developers nowadays put up BIG sign boards saying "Guaranteed Rental Returns", THINK---WHY don't they build just for collecting the "Guaranteed Rentals" rather than selling it all out??!!(so much hassle..) unsure.gif

2. Whatever product right from manufacturers, how many hurdles it takes to reach consumers? Why have to go through "Sole Distributor", "Regional Distributor", "Distributor", "Dealer", "Retailer" then only consumers? We all knows for every hurdle there will always be a profit margin and WHY don't the manufacturers sell DIRECT to consumers without having to go through all the hurdles so that they can MAKE MORE MONEY and make their 'investors' richer??!! I think we should buy direct from Proton/Merc factory to see the price different! ohmy.gif

3. Why r there agents everywhere wanting to supply foreign workers? Why can't/don't the manufacturer recruit direct from the relevant countries? Why do they want to "out-source" the HR job since there's a HR Dept. in every/most manufacturers? Come to think of it, WHY does these agents 'exist', in the first place? What is HR doing?hmm.gif

THESE ARE ALL ABOUT BUSINESS!! You give some, you win some. (not lose some--don't like to lose--negative impact)icon_rolleyes.gif
Don't build your own '4th World' under the coconut shell. blush.gif

I personally like this sentence very much:

Quote aeronic ---[Never argue with an idiot, he'll just drag you down to his level and beat you with experience]---

This is quite similar to the olden days insurance agents saying "Tu suma bole clam" but their words don't match the truth. Now, they r more careful with what they say or do. Sometimes we do runs into someone who promise the sky and Heaven but if you r really interested to make some money, it's better to do some research and find the facts rather than the fault.

It's like in the chinese proverb: "Dig a bone from the egg".

It's not ONLY this company can let you earn some money while you r working or doing something else or let loose yourself by 'out-sourcing' your 'agro-farming business' which I believe there r lots of other companies that can make money for u too like investing into (quote getsmart) Big listed companies has been making money year after year even in bad economy. sweat.gif
Maybe *getsmart* can show us a more 'GUARANTEED' way of making money, right? Or u still wanna 'dig' here? sweat.gif

p.s. Let's see who's the consultant and who's the idiot.. oops....no pun intended. I sometimes turn into an idiot that I don't realise... drool.gif
We should live life with addition of happiness, why additional sadness?? Sometimes being a 'kay-poh' is not so bad. thumbup.gif

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@firdaus
What guarantee they will buy back the cow when you want to sell?
If they so rich, why need your investment?
If banks won't lend them money (let's say at 6% only) why should you?

Big listed companies has been making money year after year even in bad economy smile.gif.  How can you compare with a SDN BHD that has never made profit?
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lol. Mate your comment is good. How bout Amanah Saham Gurantee return plus government bond. Plus 5% interest pa. The best investment in this recession.
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Wow after reading all of the above I am 100% sold on this cattle farming thingy. I am convinced it is the only way to make money in this sucky economic climate. Screw banks, KLSE, UTs, etc. Cows are the way to go.

Curious how this thread is full of posts from newly registered user(s) defending "Prestige Dairy Farm".
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Your arguments are quite fair and reasonable ... you're welcome to 'kay-poh'.

If you want GUARANTEE returns like Tsukasa say Amanah saham and bonds (Sukuk) are guaranteed by government. Not forgetting SSPN if you have kids.

But that's not the GUARANTEE i'm asking from PDF. The GUARANTEE i'm asking is that i know how the company is handling it's finance. By law, SDN BHD says it's none of your business. So how can you know the facts?

Can they GUARANTEE that investors will know:
- how many cows were bought
- how many investors (you can audit the number of cows, but how to audit the number of investors?)
- how many litres of milk produced and sold for how much
- how much the cost of rearing the cows.
- PDF is lossing money or gaining money
- ALL the FACTS above verified by reputable 3rd party auditors.

This is not 'dig a bone from the egg'. Just happen too often. Company like Swishcash paying earlier investor with money from later investors.... a 'money game' call-it-want-you-like (business/investment/scam). The fact is many investor money is burned and you can still can this BUSINESS. Here's a saying "Malaysians are so gullible (senang kena tipu)". Therefore need external auditors ... we are too busy to check on them ourselves.

Lastly, let me emphasis this proven profitable history.

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Your arguments are quite fair and reasonable ... you're welcome to 'kay-poh'.

If you want GUARANTEE returns like Tsukasa say Amanah saham and bonds (Sukuk) are guaranteed by government. Not forgetting SSPN if you have kids.

But that's not the GUARANTEE i'm asking from PDF. The GUARANTEE i'm asking is that i know how the company is handling it's finance. By law, SDN BHD says it's none of your business. So how can you know the facts?

Can they GUARANTEE that investors will know:
- how many cows were bought
- how many investors (you can audit the number of cows, but how to audit the number of investors?)
- how many litres of milk produced and sold for how much
- how much the cost of rearing the cows.
- PDF is lossing money or gaining money
- ALL the FACTS above verified by reputable 3rd party auditors.

This is not 'dig a bone from the egg'. Just happen too often. Company like Swishcash paying earlier investor with money from later investors.... a 'money game' call-it-want-you-like (business/investment/scam). The fact is many investor money is burned and you can still can this BUSINESS. Here's a saying "Malaysians are so gullible (senang kena tipu)". Therefore need external auditors ... we are too busy to check on them ourselves.

Lastly, let me emphasis this proven profitable history.
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Seems like *getsmart haven't attended the presentation before, don't know how it's done and you seems to be like jumping into the conclusion that this is a scam program but u also seems very interested in this program. Good! At least I can share with u & all other newly registered 'kay-poh'(s) that're here rclxm9.gif , maybe just like me, right?exia5733 biggrin.gif --titled 'newbie'?

Company like Swisscash, as every single people out there knows - MONEY GAME. Many Malaysians are looking forward for an easy solution to their materialistic & financial greed. Now, WHO doesn't want a luxury life? It's just that the media is keen in showing glamorous, luxury life of our upper society and as u & me knows, educations in school doesn't teach us to be a problem solver whereby all of us r left on the street/wild wondering about, looking for our financial support - some goes to the govt. Only some or a very small portion are quite creative enough to put on their thinking cap to create something out of nothing. Some r good but unfortunately from what we've experienced, MOST r bad/failure.

A very recent example: LINTAH/LEECH. At first, it's everybody's topic and all the excitements about the money that's gonna come but what happen now? Seems like it's a nobody's topic. I have a friend who were into this leech program, now he's got leeches as old as short ruler and he knows nobody else except the organiser that he started with. The organiser doesn't want to buy back because it's already too old but it's the organiser themselves that puts him on hold for buying back until now.
Yes, the profit is there but the problem is leech is not a common merchandise & need someone who really have the oversea contacts to really make a profit unless u know where to export to. So, can my friend shout out loud that it's a scam?? After listening to his story I could yell like u - IT'S A SCAM, BUT some r making some money that we can't deny... doh.gif

Now, we all knows milk is a very much needed daily product and a very fast moving merchandise as well but there's no chance for everybody to dwell into it unless u have a piece of land for it's grassing purpose and the expertise in taking care of it. We've seen in the kampongs that cows r wandering & lazying by the roadside and even sleep in the middle of the road at night to get the warm heat from the road. PLEASE don't be mistaken that those cows r meant for their meat, not milk.

For goodness sake, my advise is: Please don't go into any jv business if u r not sure or don't understand the product u r going into. Will u be too busy to understand what kind of business u r going into by simply just dump in the money and at the end of the day, if the profit doesn't come, u'll b pointing 1 finger to the person that gets u in trouble and 4 fingers pointing to yourself that u r so gullible? If so happens that the business brings in the profit, then u'll be pointing both ur thumbs up and 8 fingers to yourself meaning how smart you r? Lots of Malaysians r really GOOD at pointing fingers - the first type. ..err....did I went off track too far?? blush.gif

Back to the questions:
Q- how many cows were bought
A: who says auditors cannot check SDN BHD account book? In fact, their account have to be submitted for auditing every year. Anyway, business partners need to know HOW MANY cows that they BUY or want to buy. Really wants to know? then go down to the farm to get the figure. It's there.

Q- how many investors (you can audit the number of cows, but how to audit the number of investors?)
A: yes, cows can b counted and the tag at the cow's ear will tell who owns it.

Q- how many litres of milk produced and sold for how much
A: the company is using the latest technology of milking and all have it's own meter record for each cow, each time and RM2.00 per litre as stated in the agreement. Cow owners can log into the company's website to get the daily litres produced.

Q- how much the cost of rearing the cows.
A: (this is an interesting one) PLEASE go to: http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=46790, if you can't get to it, then go to www.dailyexpress.com.my & search for 'dairy farmers want fresh milk price hike'. In the 3rd paragraph the explanations about the food + concentrates alone & if you don't get the right picture, here is the calculations according to the old price(2007). Please hold on to a calculator & use it:
50kgs of grass x RM0.05 = RM2.50....&.....8kgs of concentrates x RM1.15 = RM9.20......Total= RM11.70 per day x 30days = RM351 per month x 12 months = RM4,212 x 8 years contract = RM33,696. And this does not include the wages, electricity, water, fuel, transport and other operational. So for the conclusion of this, instead of the company should be asking for the food + concentrates RM33,696 ++ others, they r only asking for [U]RM26,+++.00 INCLUDING the cow + AP + flight freight cost + MAS Animal Hotel Cost + vet spacialist to inspect for any disease + transportation to farm!! cool2.gif

Q- PDF is lossing money or gaining money
A: the company started contract farming since Sept. 2008, is not making much per cow but in quantity, the company is looking quite good...(get what i mean?)

PLEASE!!! If you are not business minded, don't go into it blindly without knowing. Just dump your money into (Tsukasa's idea) Amanah Saham Gurantee plus 5% interest yearly (it'll probably take 20 years to add up to 100%).

If you are business minded, then you will probably knows what I meant. hmm.gif

Happy 'kay-poh'ing whistling.gif

oops..left out the word 'Hotel'

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You guess correctly, I haven't been to any of their seminars.

I'm not jumping to conclusion that it's a scam. My conclusion is that it's not that easy to make money even by milking cow. Why would i think malaysia can be good at producing milk? Palm oil maybe lar. Like that Country Heights Grower Scheme, selling plots of land... there's a thread here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/545351. But even if looks good, like you say "don't go into it blindly without knowing".

Most Malaysian will know the name "Dutch Lady" http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=3026.KL . Now, IF i really believe in milk business, that's a company i will gladly invest my money with.

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Erm... sorry to flame again. But I do think this investment is something like ponzi scheme. Anyone here hear of Mardoff case. He is also a very reputable successful businessman from outside. But he used his money from the investor to invest in suppose to invest investment in share market or company that is profitable and gurantee return of 20% p.a . But end up its a big scam in the world as he does not invest in any investment at all and just put his money in the bank and keep on growing and pay ppl with the money he get from his new investor when the old investor redeem their money. You should read more first.


If you say this is a good investment. Do tell me who is your gurantor and show me your offer and acceptance letter. Will get my lawyer to read it. And whats the proof you got the cow. If you rare in malaysia.. Show us the cow and tag. And also picture of it. And proof that the cow is purchase on behalf and etc. If so, can we even bring the cow home to our house ?
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QUOTE(Tsukasa @ Jun 21 2009, 12:28 PM)

If you say this is a good investment. Do tell me who is your gurantor and show me your offer and acceptance letter. Will get my lawyer to read it. And whats the proof you got the cow. If you rare in malaysia.. Show us the cow and tag. And also picture of it. And proof that the cow is purchase on behalf and etc. If so, can we even bring the cow home to our house ?
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Can you please go to the office to know more info in black & white so that they can show it to you cos i don't have it here to show you. Go get yourself a fair clarification coz they need to present to you face to face and show you the FACTS and gives them the FAIR trial of yours.(if you have the guts & balls to go find out the truth..) If not, then you'll just accusing whatever you want from your puny little brain juice. Btw don't play ignorance, please go to their website: www.prestigedairyfarm.com and i know just going through the site won't SATISFY what you want, so please go to their office and ask to see the manager Puan Dalina(if i'm not mistaken). She should be able to see you after 3pm and OH! please bring your LAWYER to read the agreement first before you sign anything in case you really think this company with their own building will wants to CHEAT on your $$$. Their office address is on the site and tell her that i recommended.

Still not satisfied, still can't believe what they said and show!? N point just sit and whining like a stupid baby,YOU want the proof right? Then PLEASE visit the said farm in Kluang, Johor, to see for yourself with your very own eyes on your head, the existing COWS and after that, i bet 100% you'll still be complaining and asking for the prime minister(if possible) to give you the guarantee that what you see there is true. i think better ask the eyes specialist to tell and confirm to you that your eye balls are real also lah, blah...blah...blah... rolleyes.gif

There's no problem at all if you want to bring the cow back to your house even into your bedroom, provided you've paid the full sum lah... biggrin.gif
But even after soooooooo muccchhhhh trouble, i still doubt very much about YOUR SINCERITY & AFFORDABILITY in going into this business. So why the heck bother?? Lots of people who can't afford and like to condemn(attitude) shocking.gif

Anyway there're lots of busybody, negative and kay-poh people out there that think they r soooo IN-TELL-IGENT to tell anything and that's why Malaysia economy should thank these kind of people for spreading their insincere and irresponsible thought, just like to point fingers without knowing the facts. Somewhat like those who oppose to teaching english maths and science, who are sooo selfish & stupid who can't accept anything new in their life or even change to a better life.

Don't force yourself... icon_idea.gif

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as getsmart said the basic of investing is to know what u invest to.
this cow things do not have any kind of prospectus, even their agent do not know anything about it.
if you see the website, the investor buy per cow, but from the FAQ, there is no insurance cover and if it is dead, you definitely burn your money. do you see here? here the risk is very high for individual investor who bought less cow.
that is why prospectus kind of document needed so that we know what the relation between PDF and RM livestock, company structure, who is the manager, the risk, the income, future plan and all sort of stuff.

PDF failed the basic of investing, u need to know what u invest to, as simple as that.
even if PDF will be world no 1, i wont invest since it's failed to provide info to investor which is the basic stuff.
u end up like maddoff if u do not know anything about it.

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Firstly, I have been to this Prestige Dairy Farm Sdn Bhd and was presented with their investment model. I did asked a lot of questions regarding the investment computation since I do have some knowledge in Finance as I am in banking sector for more than 16 years before lecturing. They were unable to answer my questions... They were

1. They mentioned about 30% return but when asked what happen with the principal amount you invest, can we get back our initial investment? Unable to reply convincingly.....
2. They use the name Dr Rosli Mailan which have a milk cows farm and frankly when I called him, he just said they (prestige) only use part of his farm and he manage the cow if any. He does not have any investment interest or any interest in Prestige Dairy Farm.
3. Do they(Prestige Dairy Farm) know that it is against the law to take deposit from anybody without consent from the Authorities (Bank Negara Malaysia). You are free to call Bank Negara Help Desk.
4. There are too many escape clause that says they are not reliable for any loss.
5. Finally, you buy a cow for RM30,000 and when the cow yeild a calf, they sold your calf for RM200. What kind of stupid person do you think we are. Then they can sell the calf again for RM30,000 to another person. Not bad for a con, right.

If you want to know a real dairy farm you can go and visit to First Dairy Farm Sdn Bhd in Bandar Muazam Shah, Pahang. They presently had 900 cows for milk specially imported from Australia, Jersey breed. Each of this cow cost them about RM9,600 including air flight transportation from Australia to KLIA.

Pleaseeeeee be careful of all this kind of scammmmmm. Check and recheck........ before invest.
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Wow after reading all of the above I am 100% sold on this cattle farming thingy. I am convinced it is the only way to make money in this sucky economic climate. Screw banks, KLSE, UTs, etc. Cows are the way to go.

Curious how this thread is full of posts from newly registered user(s) defending "Prestige Dairy Farm".
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better don't invest bro, thats all i can advise

firdauswong-ru working there? if yes, how can i get back my RM10k back? Your company is a devill in disguise. After 7 months I still see nothing of the contract

Anyone in the same situation? Pls help, not sure if making a report to the police will do much help

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good luck! bro.
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saya juga menerima panggilan dari PDF & sememangnya kalau hari tak bekerja Google perkara baru
macam dah terbiasa, sampai la ke forum ini .. apapun saya akan tetap ke "appointment"
yang sudah dijanjikan dengan PDF ,

buat Firdaus relaks bro. lagu salesman ...

NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO, YES! ,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,YES! , YES!, NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO, YES! ,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO, NO,NO..

buat sesiapa yang minat dengan investment - 3.5 years = Capital Protected Fund ( returned potential up to 122.75% )
Bank Negara - approved + Syariah Compliant ...smile.gif





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QUOTE(firdauswong @ May 30 2009, 06:54 PM)
@ cherroy

Okay, maybe i've misled readers here. Thanks a lot for pointing it out, I've forgotten about BNM. rclxub.gif  Pardon me for being a bank staff back in 1980s... sad.gif  I should put it this way:

Now talking about returns....How much interest u get from a bank? Let's make it 3.5%..and that is suppose to be the most secured and the most trustworthy corporation in the world bcos it's where u put ur hard earned money into and even they can declare bankrupt, how do people don't THINK of that as a corporation!? Insurance company consolidated and bankrupt!! Don't tell me nobody heard of those news? blink.gif Now tell me....WHAT IS GUARANTEED RETURN IN BUSINESS??? Please wake up and use some common sense,man.. cry.gif
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Even bank declare bankruptcy, your saving in banks is guaranteed by PIDM in Malaysia or FDIC in US.
Just for all information, all money deposits in Malaysia even in foreign currency account is 100% guaranteed until the end of 2010.
It is same with insurance, once insurance company fall below the capital requirement, BNM will step in just like recent Tahan Insurance case.
(thanks for the lines of words... biggrin.gif )

Those 2 paragraphs are about the savings and investments of your hard earned money. notworthy.gif
Quote getsmart:

--[BTW, their website http://www.prestigedairyfarm.com projects 12.5% (not guaranteed) return for 8 yrs.
Personally, with 26k, i rather invest in some big listed companies with proven profitable history.]--
About investing in big listed companies is actually going into share market and that is at the mercy of the market fluctuation risk!!-TELL ME IF I'M WRONG!! Now what IS on everybody's BIG MOUTH???--ECONOMY IS BAD-- (the word hanging by the lips regardless it effects them or not) but actually how bad is it? Can anybody GUARANTEE the share is sure to go up or down? When is BULL and when is BEAR?

It's a totally different scenario in agro-farming. Tell me, economy bad but do u eat? drink? Don't tell me u eat and recycle food. Milk is everybody's every day's need and usage..one way or another..from children to old age.

WHAT IS GUARANTEED RETURN IN BUSINESS??? In business there's always uncertainties, there's no so called guaranteed income. I didn't say your money in banks is not safe, so better invest in xyz product or scheme.. what i meant was, this agro-farming(milk) is totally different scenario comparing manufacturing products (not daily needed food) whereby, when the demand drops so does the manufacturing sector's income. This company is dealing with dairy or to be exact cattle for MILKing where local only able to produce 5% and 95% are imported, do you think the demand here in Malaysia even the world will drop? I don't think so.. 
Anyway, it's also different scenario bcos this company is not offering any investment scheme, they r selling to you the dairy cattle and at the same time they r offering to take care of 'YOUR' dairy cattles that u buy, does the necessary tiring work load for u, milk the cattle, do stacks of paperwork for u, sell the milk for u and deposit the revenue/nett profit into your bank account. Isn't it like owning a company? drool.gif In another word, this is out-sourcing where you can save your precious time in doing other things. Remember: YOU don't invest and YOU don't even get to INVEST in this company, sorry not for you now!! 

This company is NOT asking you to dump in your money, whether there is a cattle or not, they promise you'll get the revenue. It is sort like a service that they r providing including selling the dairy cattle to you, so you don't have to do the necessaries. Let others do the dirty job for you and you take the nett profit is like owning a business already. In the end of the contract, you are SUPPOSE to take back YOUR cattle but if you don't want it, the company is still offering to buy back YOUR cattle.

In the whole presentation, you should be shown all the details plus a detailed explanation. The company doesn't prepare prospectus that each and every prospects will get. Think about the cost of not 1 copy, (if plain photostat, you'll think cheapskate shakehead.gif ) sure it'll be added to the price value, do you want to simply pay extra bcos of the prospectus? Maybe some 'kaya' ones don't really mind and some will even say 'OK' for the profits you'll get in return. Ask yourself honestly, not all but how many of u out there doesn't really bother and heck care about prices? Don't cheat yourself, please. Simple example: SALE!!

It's the agreement that binds the business partner and the company. Please go through and understand the agreement before u sign! Don't simply sign blindly and at the end of the day crying  cry.gif like a baby asking for a refund bcos your FRIEND(S) says so.

Once again I want readers to know that I'm NOT representing the said company by saying all this but is through my understandings of what this company is doing. I'm just trying to clear some of your clogged brains out from grouses and misconception (people say A u say A, never have the guts to know better). Or treat me that I'm just being a "kay-poh", i don't mind whistling.gif
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I do agree with Dr.MHW I,m not in banking or education. However I've been involved in tracing scams since I had been a student of prof Nolte.

The evidence points to a huge and somewhat sloppy scam.
Dr MHW. rightly pointed out :



1. They mentioned about 30% return but when asked what happen with the principal amount you invest, can we get back our initial investment? Unable to reply convincingly.....
2. They use the name Dr Rosli Mailan which have a milk cows farm and frankly when I called him, he just said they (prestige) only use part of his farm and he manage the cow if any. He does not have any investment interest or any interest in Prestige Dairy Farm.
3. Do they(Prestige Dairy Farm) know that it is against the law to take deposit from anybody without consent from the Authorities (Bank Negara Malaysia). You are free to call Bank Negara Help Desk.
4. There are too many escape clause that says they are not reliable for any loss.
5. Finally, you buy a cow for RM30,000 and when the cow yeild a calf, they sold your calf for RM200. What kind of stupid person do you think we are. Then they can sell the calf again for RM30,000 to another person. Not bad for a con, right.
If you want to know a real dairy farm you can go and visit to First Dairy Farm Sdn Bhd in Bandar Muazam Shah, Pahang. They presently had 900 cows for milk specially imported from Australia, Jersey breed. Each of this cow cost them about RM9,600 including air flight transportation from Australia to KLIA.


drool.gif ROI is quite high without showing evidence.There is no cooling off period , no prospectus- thi so glaringly pointed to a scam as there will be no evidence to show what they had promised. hearsay as they call it in the courts. no binding evidence to be had. The manager Kamal a.ka./@ Firdaus wong...... oh yes i deduce that by comparing your presentation and the inflections and choice of words. And i had attended your 45 minutes briefing. and tq fo the glass of water. How is it you offered the steer at different prices to diferent ppl.

A JV model like the one implemented by nestle (produce) in kelantan and terengganu lets the partner in on the operation and stated in black and white whats the risk. Not just hearsay

Kamal/Firdauswong (he wears a gold double happiness/fortune pendant) pointed out that your cow will be replaced if it somehow prematurely dies. However in the PDF webpage the onus is on the investor to insure the steer. icon_question.gif
Firdaus/kamal didn't you say that investors can come and visit their steers TWICE only not at their whim and fancy.

oh well enough talk go to topix brunei forum. see who was burned by pdf . Oh yes this is not mlm or get richscheme. This is more of a scam and a variation of a confidence scam. What else do you categorise it . Give me your money and shut up no questions can be asked.
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better don't invest bro, thats all i can advise

firdauswong-ru working there? if yes, how can i get back my RM10k back? Your company is a devill in disguise. After 7 months I still see nothing of the contract

Anyone in the same situation? Pls help, not sure if making a report to the police will do much help
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hmmm.....

Rasa2 mcm saya pun dah terkena nih... kalau org lain dihubungi oleh pihak pdf, kami plak tak sengaja termasuk dlm kempen dorang di kluang mall semalam 9/8/09

apa nak kata, hubby termakan janji2 manis. sebelum ni, saya memang tak percaya pd sebarang tawaran yg mintak2 duit kita ni as deposit ke apa benda. hubby pun marah kalau ada org senang2 tertipu bg duit kat orang.

tapi dorang punya projek memang nampak meyakinkan. kalau saya, saya dari mula lagi tak moh dengar whatever dorang cerita pun. tapi, hubby saja2 nak buang masa dia, dok la layan dorang ni punya story. saya cuak juga sebab tawarannya sgt2 manis. saya tanya takkan semua manis, takkan takde risiko apa2? malah saya ajak hubby p tgk ladang yg dorang cakap sebab tak jauh. dlm setengah jam sj. menurut manager tu. dia boleh bawak kitaorang p tgk ladang tu. kalau anda, anda percaya tak?

tapi hubby takmoh. mungkin terpengaruh or terlalu percaya pd dorang. kebetulan masa tu jugalah ada call dr someone nak dtg umah half n our lagi, so, terpaksa tolak tawaran manager tu yg nak bawa kitaorg p tgk ladang.

mcmana pun saya nak citer kat sini, duit dah dump 2k, n perjanjian pun dah sign. saya tak tau nak ckp apa bila baca tentang pdf tu kat sini. pd saya, kalau nak labur kat mana pun, siasatla dulu. skrg internet ada banyak maklumat. tapi hubby tak sabar. i don no la... duit dia kan... smlm plak sunday. kat umah kami yg kat kluang tu takde internet. so terpaksa tunggu hari ni monday utk carik maklumat. sayangnya duit dah dum dulu. skrg ni, saya tengah fikir camana nak amek balik perjanjian tu. nak koyak. duit tu tak tahulah... manager tu kata selasa or rabu ni dorang baru nak buat stamping. n tomorrow (selasa) hubby janji ngan dia nak p ofice dorang utk hantar slip2 gaji n doc lain yg dorang mintak.

tapi, lepas saya cerita apa yg saya baca kat sini, baru hubby percaya n dia suruh stop. sebab kalau tak, esok (selasa) dia suruh saya bank in baki duit 30% tu about 7k lagi.

saya tgk dekat resit tu, duit 2k tu bukan sbg deposit, (munkin dorang tahu undang2 deposit ni) tapi lebih pd sebahagian duit ansuran bla bla bla

boleh mintak nasihat sikit...?

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That is a RM30,000 cow. Crazy is it? and Agriculture is never guaranteed. It fluctuates even worse than anything else. Agriculture is very much a supply and demand game. As more milk is produced, the price falls. Imagine that this Prestige Dairy Farm did manage to make a remarkable profit in its first year.

wouldnt you want to replicate it? So imagine some rich guy decides, hey, I'll buy 100 cows at RM9,000 which is about less than a million. Spends another million for the logistics and maintance ... and voila... the market is flooded with 25% more milk than before diluting they value of milk from your RM30,000 cow. Unless you want to say, you can sell the milk at a higher price because the cow is more expensive?

Anyway, just so that we understand the market.. New Zealand is the largest Dairy product exporter in the world. They are not the biggest producer but they are the biggest exporter. In fact, they export around 95% of all the milk they produce. In New Zealand, the have about 5.6 Million cow, almost all managed and partly owned by a single company (a co-operative). Compare that amount with 400 cows...

Do you really believe that PDF is able to guarantee its profits? The underlying product PDF is trying to see you is that you can get the profits from selling Milk to a guaranteed buyer which is Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia.
What if we change government in 4 years? Do you think the agreement is going to stand scrutiny ka? I doubt there is any such agreements anyway. Plus, I searched for Jabatan Tenusu where got .. Unit Tenusu in the Department of Veterinar .. ado le..

http://ppit-kelantan.blogspot.com/2008/09/...kan-tenusu.html read this on starting ur own dairy farm. To buy the cow from government agency or something like that is only RM1,100 .. gila ka?
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That is a RM30,000 cow. Crazy is it? and Agriculture is never guaranteed. It fluctuates even worse than anything else. Agriculture is very much a supply and demand game. As more milk is produced, the price falls. Imagine that this Prestige Dairy Farm did manage to make a remarkable profit in its first year.

wouldnt you want to replicate it? So imagine some rich guy decides, hey, I'll buy 100 cows at RM9,000 which is about less than a million. Spends another million for the logistics and maintance ... and voila... the market is flooded with 25% more milk than before diluting they value of milk from your RM30,000 cow. Unless you want to say, you can sell the milk at a higher price because the cow is more expensive?

Anyway, just so that we understand the market.. New Zealand is the largest Dairy product exporter in the world. They are not the biggest producer but they are the biggest exporter. In fact, they export around 95% of all the milk they produce. In New Zealand, the have about 5.6 Million cow, almost all managed and partly owned by a single company (a co-operative). Compare that amount with 400 cows...

Do you really believe that PDF is able to guarantee its profits? The underlying product PDF is trying to see you is that you can get the profits from selling Milk to a guaranteed buyer which is Jabatan Tenusu Malaysia.
What if we change government in 4 years? Do you think the agreement is going to stand scrutiny ka? I doubt there is any such agreements anyway. Plus, I searched for Jabatan Tenusu where got .. Unit Tenusu in the Department of Veterinar .. ado le..

http://ppit-kelantan.blogspot.com/2008/09/...kan-tenusu.html  read this on starting ur own dairy farm. To buy the cow from government agency or something like that is only RM1,100 .. gila ka?
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ala...

konon2 yg lembu sampai 30k tu siap dgn kos ternak dia la, makanan dia bla2 utk selama 8 tahun. dia kira kos makanan apa semua utk sehari lepas kali dgn 8 tahun punya hari... tu yg dtg sampai 30k tu...

dan sekarang selepas saya baca byk tentang pdf ni, saya buat kesimpulan yg mereka ni kutip2 duit banyak2 dr org ramai utk mulakan perniagaan tu lah. depa beli lembu dari luar negara, (itupun kalau betullah dorang beli), pastu join dgn pengusaha ladang alifah yg kat kluang tu utk usahakan lembu2 yg dah dibeli tu menggunakan modal yg dikutip dr org ramai. masalahnya, mereka punya cerita tu seolah2 ladang alifah tu mcm dorang yg punya. perusahaan tu pun mcm dorang yg punya, segala gambar2 yg ditunjuk tu semua org lain punya. tulah yg terserlah dari apa yg saya dapat dari info2 kat internet ni.... Wallahua'lam...

tu pasal la, saya memang tak suka dgr org meniaga jual minyak ni. takut terpengaruh...

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ala...

konon2 yg lembu sampai 30k tu siap dgn kos ternak dia la, makanan dia bla2 utk selama 8 tahun. dia kira kos makanan apa semua utk sehari lepas kali dgn 8 tahun punya hari... tu yg dtg sampai 30k tu...

dan sekarang selepas saya baca byk tentang pdf ni, saya buat kesimpulan yg mereka ni kutip2 duit banyak2 dr org ramai utk mulakan perniagaan tu lah. depa beli lembu dari luar negara, (itupun kalau betullah dorang beli), pastu join dgn pengusaha ladang alifah yg kat kluang tu utk usahakan lembu2 yg dah dibeli tu menggunakan modal yg dikutip dr org ramai. masalahnya, mereka punya cerita tu seolah2 ladang alifah tu mcm dorang yg punya. perusahaan tu pun mcm dorang yg punya, segala gambar2 yg ditunjuk tu semua org lain punya. tulah yg terserlah dari apa yg saya dapat dari info2 kat internet ni.... Wallahua'lam...

tu pasal la, saya memang tak suka dgr org meniaga jual minyak ni. takut terpengaruh...
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smua orang tak sanggup bagi duit pada orang tak jujur.
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really can't do anything? can anyone suggest lawsuit or something? how much can a lawyer cost? willing to pay if can get back partially of my 10k

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kei18kun,

i am not an expert but from what i read in the discussion of this admittedly slightly crazy sheme you might have an angle due to the fact that the price for the cow is very much overpriced. the question is - again i am not an expert - if the price can be considered extortion. this could if i am not mistaken render such a contract null and void. i am not 100% if this applies to malaysian law as well but it does in european countries. you could check with the small claims court. they should have someone around who might be able to give you some pointers. and as a consumer you can also file a lawsuit there and defend yourself. opposing party has to represent itself so no lawyer costs arise.

but: depending upon the contract entered. its a contract between consenting parties. short of extortion not much i can think of to null and void it - any lawyer here to help?
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kei18kun,

i am not an expert but from what i read in the discussion of this admittedly slightly crazy sheme you might have an angle due to the fact that the price for the cow is very much overpriced. the question is - again i am not an expert - if the price can be considered extortion. this could if i am not mistaken render such a contract null and void. i am not 100% if this applies to malaysian law as well but it does in european countries. you could check with the small claims court. they should have someone around who might be able to give you some pointers. and as a consumer you can also file a lawsuit there and defend yourself. opposing party has to represent itself so no lawyer costs arise.

but: depending upon the contract entered. its a contract between consenting parties. short of extortion not much i can think of to null and void it - any lawyer here to help?
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i tried small claims court already, they said to report to police and hire a lawyer since its out of their jurisdiction since the amount is 10k. any advise anyone?
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tribunal court only able to claim up to 5k. more than that u need to go to civil court.
lawyer needed for civil court, the fee is around 3.8k.

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thought your claim was only 10k - must have misunderstood. in that case civil court to sue. you should do the police report though.
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ok kalau mcm i ni, baru dump 2k. pastu bila dapati ni pdf ni pun satu scam, nak tarik balik pelaburan boleh tak? kalau nak lodge polis report pun apa yg nak direport sebab tidak nampak berlaku berlaku penipuan, kecuali mereka tak sepatutnya mengambil sebarang deposit dari pelabur. itupun bila diperhati dlm resit, siang2 tertulis ini bukan satu deposit, tetapi sebagai dikira sebagai sebahagian ansuran.

i pernah terdengar pasal "tempoh bertenang". apa tu ye kalau sapa2 boleh tolong huraikan?
thanks....
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I was approached by these PDF people when i was jogging at lake garden not long ago. one of them said they got luck draw and if i won could earn free vacation package. They asked me to fill up the form. some information needed like salary range, employment sector, places of interest and bla bla bla...i said ok since its free i fill up the form..next day someone unknown number call my HP with no 016XXXXXX but i did not pick up. After a while i got sms saying that i won free voucher and invited me to come to their HQ at bangsar.

Having been living in KL for so long above marketing technic is just one of many ways our hard earn money could flow out from our pocket just like throwing money in the sea for free and worse still it could happen in hasty without thinking and enough time to make a decision and after that
one feel regret and foolish of the action. It is such a shame that it happen to those who are educated.

Lucky stumbling upon this thread and it really annoyed me this investment Jabatan Tenusu Jabatan Tenusu Jabatan Tenusu@%^#$%@ mad.gif
WTFFFFFFF!!!

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QUOTE(mmusang @ Aug 12 2009, 04:47 PM)
tribunal court only able to claim up to 5k. more than that u need to go to civil court.
lawyer needed for civil court, the fee is around 3.8k.
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worth a try, but i do have to come out with 4k first rite?
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firdauswong,

shouting and cursing doesnt make you right. your post is frankly speaking an insult. (reported the post)

we already established that the price for the cow is outrageously overpriced. i am not mentioning all the other questionable aspects.

i you feel those aspects are not correct, i suggest you attempt to show us why they are incorrect. so far your posts regarding others pointing out issues with this scam (sorry i use the word) are flaming and cursing. just because you rise your voice does not make you right. if you can argue and make your point feel free. you failed at this consistantly.
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firdauswong,

shouting and cursing doesnt make you right. your post is frankly speaking an insult. (reported the post)

we already established that the price for the cow is outrageously overpriced. i am not mentioning all the other questionable aspects.

i you feel those aspects are not correct, i suggest you attempt to show us why they are incorrect. so far your posts regarding others pointing out issues with this scam (sorry i use the word) are flaming and cursing. just because you rise your voice does not make you right. if you can argue and make your point feel free. you failed at this consistantly.
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me shouting and cursing? i failed to argue and make my point consistently? an insult? so ur word 'outrageously overpriced' is not insulting at all, huh?? did u read my previous postings? i guess no!

i'm only stating the fact and the fact is you ppl never will go to find out the truth at the farm and keep on pointing your blaming fingers. it's U that mentioned that the price is outrageous but have u ever thought of the cost of taking care of the cow? never!! right? have u ever thought of the cost of the barn RM1M and facilities such as milking house which cost RM1M? never!! right? have u ever thought of the operation cost? never!! right? have u ever thought of the cost to pay for the concentrates for the cow for 8 years? never!! right?? http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=46790 pls go & check in the 3rd paragraph and calculate the cost for 8 years, then tell me it is outrageous. even that is the cost for 2007. then after that, u expect to get a FREE cow-la.. right?

u never thought of these and u r pointing that the price is outrageous, is this fair?? u don't even know where is the farm and how does the cow looks like and u r pointing that it's outrageous, is it fair? have u ever think before u put it in words? never!! right??

maybe u can tell me how much cost u eat per day x 8 years and tell me the cost is really outrageous overpriced.
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aku dah siasat. setakat yg aku faham... ladang alifah tu adalah kepunyaan en ramli mai lam ke sapa nama dia.... tokeh R.M livestock. tapi bila aku telepon, jawapan yg aku terima..." no yg anda dail telah ditamatkan..." bila aku tanya kat consultant pdf tu dia pun ngaku ladang tu bukan diaorg punya, dorang cuma projek susu lembu jer....

pastu baru konon2 nak bagi no tel yg aku boleh contact kat ladang tu, boleh caya ke...? aku setakat nak pi ladang tu senang je..... pasal dokek sgt ngan tompat haku... ni percaya sgt punya pasal.... takkanlah dorang nak menipu pulakkaaannnnn?????
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QUOTE(mmusang @ Aug 12 2009, 04:47 PM)
tribunal court only able to claim up to 5k. more than that u need to go to civil court.
lawyer needed for civil court, the fee is around 3.8k.
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just ignored firdauswong pls...since he might be kamal or adzman from the damn company which is ignoring me whenever i called them and never bothered to call me back

nobody answered my question yet? do i need to pay 4k for the lawyers fees? don't they have negotiation that they can get 4k if they can get my 10k back?


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QUOTE(sigsan @ Aug 17 2009, 11:27 AM)
aku dah siasat. setakat yg aku faham... ladang alifah tu adalah kepunyaan en ramli mai lam ke sapa nama dia.... tokeh R.M livestock. tapi bila aku telepon, jawapan yg aku terima..." no yg anda dail telah ditamatkan..." bila aku tanya kat consultant pdf tu dia pun ngaku ladang tu bukan diaorg punya, dorang cuma projek susu lembu jer....

pastu baru konon2 nak bagi no tel yg aku boleh contact kat ladang tu, boleh caya ke...? aku setakat nak pi ladang tu senang je..... pasal dokek sgt ngan tompat haku... ni percaya sgt punya pasal.... takkanlah dorang nak menipu pulakkaaannnnn?????
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just don't risk it since they way they do things just darn irresponsible and misleading. bettter to try to get back the money than dump more money into it no matter what they says

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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Aug 17 2009, 11:46 AM)
just ignored firdauswong pls...since he might be kamal or adzman from the damn company which is ignoring me whenever i called them and never bothered to call me back

nobody answered my question yet? do i need to pay 4k for the lawyers fees? don't they have negotiation that they can get 4k if they can get my 10k back?


Added on August 17, 2009, 11:49 am
just don't risk it since they way they do things just darn irresponsible and misleading. bettter to try to get back the money than dump more money into it no matter what they says
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for more than 5k, tribunal court do not have power to handling your case. u need to bring it to civil court. 4k or 3.8k is amount i got from different forum, u might be able to negotiate with other lawyers for the fees.
below is the forum i got the fees, a-a-aje decide to bring the case to civil court.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/brunei/TCM4J1NON9DPOE8UH

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hey kei18kun,

my aunt is a lawyer but i am not sure of the charges.
maybe u should pay a visit to lawyer office to get an idea what the cost like.


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hey kei18kun,

my aunt is a lawyer but i am not sure of the charges.
maybe u should pay a visit to lawyer office to get an idea what the cost like.
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Aug 17 2009, 11:46 AM)
just ignored firdauswong pls...since he might be kamal or adzman from the damn company which is ignoring me whenever i called them and never bothered to call me back

nobody answered my question yet? do i need to pay 4k for the lawyers fees? don't they have negotiation that they can get 4k if they can get my 10k back?


Added on August 17, 2009, 11:49 am
just don't risk it since they way they do things just darn irresponsible and misleading. bettter to try to get back the money than dump more money into it no matter what they says
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ye... aku n hubby memang dah tarek diri pun, tu sebab aku nak tahu camana nak dpt balik 2k tu. aritu, kitaorg panggil consultant dtg jumpa kitaorg. dia ingat kami nak bayar yg lagi 7k lebih tu. siap bawak resit. masa jumpa mlm tu, kami mintak semula agreement yg hubby dah sign sebelum ni. kununnya nak tengok balik. bila dah dpt, kami pegang surat agrement tu, n ckp nak pinjam tunjuk kat lawyer. tapi dorang tak kasik kata tak boleh, nanti dorang faxkan salinan je.

hubby pun sudah hangin terus koyak agrement tu dpn dorang. pastu, kami cerita pasal kat internet byk cerita pasal pdf ni tipu, tapi kawan tu pandai jawab. yelah, kita ni mana tahu law kan nak balas balik hujah dorang tu. tapi yg geram tu, bila kami kata nak tarek diri, dan tak moh bayar yg lagi 7k tu dia pulak boleh kata dia tertipu dgn kami sebab dtg jauh2 n siap bawak resit. kalau kami siang2 kata nak jumpa, bukan nak bayar, takdelah susah2 dorang ambil resit dari bahagian akaun. tak ke sakit ati dengar? dia pulak kata aku tipu dia kata nak bayar mlm tu. walhal, aku takde kata pun nak bayar, aku just kata nak jumpa je. n tlg bawa sekali agrement. pastu dia yg tanya nak suruh bawa resit sekali tak? aku katala... boleh juga, bawak je lah... ada aku kata nak bayar?? shakehead.gif


Added on August 17, 2009, 4:50 pmaku dah pergi website tribunal. tapi nape aku baca kita boleh tuntut bawah 25k?

KLIK KAT SINI....TRIBUNAL

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ye... aku n hubby memang dah tarek diri pun, tu sebab aku nak tahu camana nak dpt balik 2k tu. aritu, kitaorg panggil consultant dtg jumpa kitaorg. dia ingat kami nak bayar yg lagi 7k lebih tu. siap bawak resit. masa jumpa mlm tu, kami mintak semula agreement yg hubby dah sign sebelum ni. kununnya nak tengok balik. bila dah dpt, kami pegang surat agrement tu, n ckp nak pinjam tunjuk kat lawyer. tapi dorang tak kasik kata tak boleh, nanti dorang faxkan salinan je.

hubby pun sudah hangin terus koyak agrement tu dpn dorang. pastu, kami cerita pasal kat internet byk cerita pasal pdf ni tipu, tapi kawan tu pandai jawab. yelah, kita ni mana tahu law kan nak balas balik hujah dorang tu. tapi yg geram tu, bila kami kata nak tarek diri, dan tak moh bayar yg lagi 7k tu dia pulak boleh kata dia tertipu dgn kami sebab dtg jauh2 n siap bawak resit. kalau kami siang2 kata nak jumpa, bukan nak bayar, takdelah susah2 dorang ambil resit dari bahagian akaun. tak ke sakit ati dengar? dia pulak kata aku tipu dia kata nak bayar mlm tu. walhal, aku takde kata pun nak bayar, aku just kata nak jumpa je. n tlg bawa sekali agrement. pastu dia yg tanya nak suruh bawa resit sekali tak? aku katala... boleh juga, bawak je lah... ada aku kata nak bayar??  shakehead.gif


Added on August 17, 2009, 4:50 pmaku dah pergi website tribunal. tapi nape aku baca kita boleh tuntut bawah 25k?

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QUOTE(sigsan @ Aug 17 2009, 04:39 PM)
ye... aku n hubby memang dah tarek diri pun, tu sebab aku nak tahu camana nak dpt balik 2k tu. aritu, kitaorg panggil consultant dtg jumpa kitaorg. dia ingat kami nak bayar yg lagi 7k lebih tu. siap bawak resit. masa jumpa mlm tu, kami mintak semula agreement yg hubby dah sign sebelum ni. kununnya nak tengok balik. bila dah dpt, kami pegang surat agrement tu, n ckp nak pinjam tunjuk kat lawyer. tapi dorang tak kasik kata tak boleh, nanti dorang faxkan salinan je.

hubby pun sudah hangin terus koyak agrement tu dpn dorang. pastu, kami cerita pasal kat internet byk cerita pasal pdf ni tipu, tapi kawan tu pandai jawab. yelah, kita ni mana tahu law kan nak balas balik hujah dorang tu. tapi yg geram tu, bila kami kata nak tarek diri, dan tak moh bayar yg lagi 7k tu dia pulak boleh kata dia tertipu dgn kami sebab dtg jauh2 n siap bawak resit. kalau kami siang2 kata nak jumpa, bukan nak bayar, takdelah susah2 dorang ambil resit dari bahagian akaun. tak ke sakit ati dengar? dia pulak kata aku tipu dia kata nak bayar mlm tu. walhal, aku takde kata pun nak bayar, aku just kata nak jumpa je. n tlg bawa sekali agrement. pastu dia yg tanya nak suruh bawa resit sekali tak? aku katala... boleh juga, bawak je lah... ada aku kata nak bayar??   shakehead.gif


Added on August 17, 2009, 4:50 pmaku dah pergi website tribunal. tapi nape aku baca kita boleh tuntut bawah 25k?

KLIK KAT SINI....TRIBUNAL
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anyway u just need to claim 2k only, pls submit
i tried and they called me back say cannot, ask me to hire lawyer and go to court...

hmmm, interesting link u provided, i'll try again. thanks


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hey kei18kun,

my aunt is a lawyer but i am not sure of the charges.
maybe u should pay a visit to lawyer office to get an idea what the cost like.
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no more update?confirm scam?

got the call yesterday, offer free voucher stay 2D/1N @ Tunes Hotel,Penang.
make my appointment today @ 5pm.
will go...for sure. hahaha...
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no more update?confirm scam?

got the call yesterday, offer free voucher stay 2D/1N @ Tunes Hotel,Penang.
make my appointment today @ 5pm.
will go...for sure. hahaha...
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QUOTE(zcatz @ Oct 30 2009, 03:01 PM)
no more update?confirm scam?

got the call yesterday, offer free voucher stay 2D/1N @ Tunes Hotel,Penang.
make my appointment today @ 5pm.
will go...for sure. hahaha...
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just don't bring any money or credit card will be safe
to be safer just don't go
ur money is safer to invest in other things

latest update on my case is I received my contract finally with sharing 1 cow with other 2 person. They inform will get income by December, will update u all later


Added on November 19, 2009, 10:07 amat last get the first return of RM88 becos of selling of calf and abit of milk...the amount is little bcos i share 1 cow with another 2 person. They also gave back RM786 bcos i paid RM10786 and the whole cow only cost RM30k

well, have to see now how the things go on...at least can see some action taken already after 1 year of waiting

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To all victims who were con-ed by PDF Cow scheme, I have managed to file in case to Tribunal Tuntutan Pengguna Malaysia. The hearing is fixed on 20th Jan 2010, 10.30am.

I called TRIBUNAL FOR CONSUMER CLAIMS. The officer said interested people upon registration can join the hearing. So, all interested public can come for the hearing. If you know anybody who were also victimized by PDF, Please invite them to come along.


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hi tym,

I would love to bring my dad to the hearing but I didn't notice your message until now. Can you let me know the venue of the hearing and what do we need to bring ?

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So how is the tribunal this morning ? sure pleadge not guilty then court on xx/xx/xx lo.....same style as law i guess.
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The result of the tribunal hearing,
"....Tuntutan yang telah ditetapkan pada 20hb Jan 2010 (Rabu) jam 10.30 pagi di Tribunal Tuntutan Pengguna Malaysia, Tingkat 16, Putra Place, 100, Jalan Putra, 50622 WP Kuala Lumpur telah dibatalkan dengan kebebasan memfailkan semula di Mahkamah Sivil."

The reason:
"No jurisdiction to investment related deal in Tribunal For Consumer Claim."

Those who were victimised and wanted to take further action, you can reach me at tym_pdf@live.com.my.

Please do not give up your right to reclaimed your money earned with sweat and blood!

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lol, put ur $$ on the cows? hope the cows make u a lot of $$? ... THINK.. U WILL GET THE ANSWER..
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they never did promise me alot of money, only moderate around 10-15%
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Many people have posted long explanations so I will be brief:

One question: Are they a licensed to receive deposits from the public? If so is there documentation?

Why?

If they are not licensed and recognized by Bank Negara, the company is committing an offence and is chargeable for illegal deposit taking and will be charged with several charges under the Anti Money Laundering Act.

If you arent sure dont invest because you DO NOT want to be dragged down with the company if criminal charges are filed.
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QUOTE(stefanong @ Jan 27 2010, 06:37 PM)
Many people have posted long explanations so I will be brief:

One question: Are they a licensed to receive deposits from the public? If so is there documentation?

Why?

If they are not licensed and recognized by Bank Negara, the company is committing an offence and is chargeable for illegal deposit taking and will be charged with several charges under the Anti Money Laundering Act.

If you arent sure dont invest because you DO NOT want to be dragged down with the company if criminal charges are filed.
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We refer to your email dated 30 May 2009 and wish to thank you for highlighting the matter to us.

We wish to inform you that if the investment scheme clearly offers an investment opportunity by collecting deposits from the public and investors are promised investment returns within a certain period of time, whereby the original investment will be refunded, it maybe contravene Section 25(1) Banking And Financial Institutions Act (BAFIA). This investment activity is against the law and you are investing at your own risk. Please invest only with licensed financial institutions only.

An easy way to identify and verify whether or not a company is licensed by Bank Negara Malaysia, you can refer to the licensed institutions list on our website by following this URL

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=17&pg=54&ac=57

If the company is NOT LISTED on our list on the website, it simply means that the company is NOT LICENSED NOR APPROVED by Bank Negara Malaysia to offer any financial services or products.

You may also cross check with Securities Commission's (SC) licensed/alert lists on their website :

1. http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/licenseMain.html

2. http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/in...Alert_list.html

3. http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/in...IApg_other.html

If you have any information pertaining to illegal deposit taking activities or illegal foreign currency dealings or are a victim of such activities or scams you can send details of such information or complaint together with the documents to Bank Negara Malaysia at the following address:

Unit Penyiasatan Khas (UPK)
Bank Negara Malaysia
Jalan Dato' Onn
50480 Kuala Lumpur
Fax: 03-26987467

UPK can also be contacted at the following telephone numbers:
Tel.: 03-26985708 / 03-26985724 / 03-26985776 / 03-26985785

Please be guided accordingly.

Fadhilah bt Zainal Abidin
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Bank Negara Malaysia
No Tel : 1-300-88-5465
No Faks : 03-21741515
Email : bnmtelelink@bnm.gov.my

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any update about this company so far??
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not at the moment
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i believed their still doing roadshow at tesco, s.alam since last saturday...
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Oct 31 2009, 10:33 AM)
just don't bring any money or credit card will be safe
to be safer just don't go
ur money is safer to invest in other things

latest update on my case is I received my contract finally with sharing 1 cow with other 2 person. They inform will get income by December, will update u all later


Added on November 19, 2009, 10:07 amat last get the first return of RM88 becos of selling of calf and abit of milk...the amount is little bcos i share 1 cow with another 2 person. They also gave back RM786 bcos i paid RM10786 and the whole cow only cost RM30k

well, have to see now how the things go on...at least can see some action taken already after 1 year of waiting
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QUOTE(tym_pdf @ Feb 5 2010, 08:32 PM)
I posted to Bank Negara Malaysia in May last year. The following is their reply.

*******************Reply Fr BNM
We refer to your email dated 30 May 2009 and wish to thank you for highlighting the matter to us.

We wish to inform you that if the investment scheme clearly offers an investment opportunity by collecting deposits from the public and investors are promised investment returns within a certain period of time, whereby the original investment will be refunded, it maybe contravene Section 25(1) Banking And Financial Institutions Act (BAFIA).  This investment activity is against the law and you are investing at your own risk.  Please invest only with licensed financial institutions only. 

An easy way to identify and verify whether or not a company is licensed by Bank Negara Malaysia, you can refer to the licensed institutions list on our website by following this URL

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=17&pg=54&ac=57

If the company is NOT LISTED on our list on the website, it simply means that the company is NOT LICENSED NOR APPROVED by Bank Negara Malaysia to offer any financial services or products.

You may also cross check with Securities Commission's (SC) licensed/alert lists on their website :

1.  http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/licenseMain.html

2.  http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/in...Alert_list.html

3.  http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/licensing/in...IApg_other.html

If you have any information pertaining to illegal deposit taking activities or illegal foreign currency dealings or are a victim of such activities or scams you can send details of such information or complaint together with the documents to Bank Negara Malaysia at the following address:

Unit Penyiasatan Khas (UPK)
Bank Negara Malaysia
Jalan Dato' Onn
50480 Kuala Lumpur
Fax: 03-26987467

UPK can also be contacted at the following telephone numbers:
Tel.: 03-26985708 / 03-26985724 / 03-26985776 / 03-26985785

Please be guided accordingly.
 
Fadhilah bt Zainal Abidin
BNMTELELINK
Bank Negara Malaysia
No Tel : 1-300-88-5465
No Faks : 03-21741515
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I've called to PDF director and tell her whole picture
Now I'm waiting for the reply.

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QUOTE(santasilver @ Apr 22 2010, 07:35 PM)
I'm the victim of this matter too.  Would like to know how was your following return? It is really worth it to take up this program or withdraw from it?


Added on April 22, 2010, 7:50 pm
Any updated news or action you will take?
I've called to PDF director and tell her whole picture
Now I'm waiting for the reply.
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how can u withdraw, may I ask? I've been trying for 1 year and never get any result
just bear with it and let it be a good lesson learnt

ps:pray that it keeps paying sweat.gif
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Prestige Dairy just got raided. Hope you people that got conned learn something out of this.

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took them long enough, pls update any news ya
i've just email ssm regarding this, hope they will reply


Added on June 16, 2010, 3:32 pmgot a reply

Dear Sir,

Your email dated 29.05.2010 refers.


2. The matter pertaining to Prestige Dairy Farm Sdn Bhd is still under SSM investigation for possible offences under Sections 84(1) and 91(1) of the Companies Act 1965.

3. Please be informed that any enforcement action taken by SSM will not include any claims of financial losses by the investors. In the event of financial losses, the aggrieved parties need to file their own claims through the appropriate legal process either on their own or by procuring services of a lawyer.

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so who want to combine and hire a lawyer to claim back the money?

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Sy juga antara yg tertipu dgn company PDF ini!

setalah pembayaran dibuat berjumlah RM20K! sehingga kini bukan sahaja lembu, bahkan susu lembu juga masih tidak kelihatan!

bila ditanya status pembelian, PDF memaklumkan pinjaman bank tidak lulus. bila mintak balik bayaran pendahuluan 20k, mcm2 alasan diberikan!

what the hell is tat!

siasat punya siasat..

smpi ler jumpe forum ni..

pastu ade gak jumpe lg mmbr yg kene tipu gak lbh dr RM30K!!!!!

aghh dont know wat to do..

already report to Persatuan Pengguna, but they said this case is Jenayah Komersial need to refer Police...

already make Police report.. and they said they will take an action..

dont know wat to do next to get my money back...



hope someone here can give any suggestion wat kind of action i need to take..

lawyer maybe?


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u can approach using lawyer only, final action
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damn this PDF!
mybe its true, to use a lawyer..
no matter wat..
i will take any action to get my money back!!

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all the best and do tell us the result ya
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JOM serbu booth PDF di GIANT Shah Alam.. hari ni (7/11/2010) hari last PDF buka booth di giant tu.. lps ni xtau di mana lg.. soal siasat pekerja2 dia


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any updates?

Btw condolences to keikun and the scammed gang..
Good luck in yer fight for your money back!!
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hey guys...
pls try this...
its free...
http://www.ezlaptop.com/forums/forum.php?referrerid=30213
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Dear firdauswong

haih..
could you give us solid financial statment, (payment for client per month)
i already do few serching, they got around RM100 to 300 permonth only.
what is your avrage actual milk production per month?
if refer to 10liter per day,
client defently will got -ve profit.
i do basic math for 7% interest for my current cond.
4 k deposit 7 years loan.

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any update on this company, they have stop paying for 4 months already. i called last week they girl told me some nonsense that cow need to dry up the milk or something. will need to wait for another 9 months

anyone manage to get back all their money or want to take lawyer action can i join in too?


Added on December 29, 2010, 5:15 amnow just sent letter that cow died on Dec15 2010 bcos blood parasites disease. call pdf regarding this and they inform need to wait 3-6 months on this.



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QUOTE(peggie @ Nov 15 2010, 01:43 AM)
Dear firdauswong

haih..
could you give us solid financial statment, (payment for client per month)
i already do few serching, they got around RM100 to 300 permonth only.
what is your avrage actual milk production per month?
if refer to 10liter per day,
client defently will got -ve profit.
i do basic math for 7% interest for my current cond.
4 k deposit 7 years loan.

Attached File  milk_production_profit.pdf ( 22.93k ) Number of downloads: 123

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Hi Peggie,
i'm one of the victim of PDF Scammed, sign up agreement on Dec.2009 & Pump on 10k deposit into PDF bank account
i need info from u, pls contact me at:
H/P 012 7507491


Added on January 20, 2011, 12:10 amHi peggie,
i'm one of the victim PDF Scammed, signup agreement on Dec 2009 and pump in 10k deposit,
i need info from u about this scammed company
Pls Contact me at:
H/p:012 7507491 or 07 6561067
email: hassny@live.com

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why need anyone to call u? just tell wat u need here
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Too many people saying negative things about this company (PDF) as such my conclusion : SCAM !
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Frausters milking gullible people. Over the years we have seen people who want to make easy money falling heads over heels over scams, even a little financial analysis would have shown that such schemes are not workable. But still people got involved in it due to greed of fantastic returns.
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Jan 20 2011, 02:33 PM)
why need anyone to call u? just tell wat u need here
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Added on January 23, 2011, 1:39 am
QUOTE(kei18kun @ Jan 20 2011, 02:33 PM)
why need anyone to call u? just tell wat u need here
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i need to personaly talked about PDF Scammed victim, i dont want to communicate i public forum

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QUOTE(Hotsniper @ Jan 20 2011, 12:06 AM)
Hi Peggie,
i'm one of the victim of PDF Scammed, sign up agreement on Dec.2009 & Pump on 10k deposit into PDF bank account
i need info from u, pls contact me at:
H/P 012 7507491


Added on January 20, 2011, 12:10 amHi peggie,
i'm one of the victim PDF Scammed, signup agreement on Dec 2009 and pump in 10k deposit,
i need info from u about this scammed company
Pls Contact me at:
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email: hassny@live.com
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wah..
another new scam..?
how come u just pump RM10k to their company..?
very rich person..

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QUOTE(Hotsniper @ Jan 23 2011, 01:36 AM)

Added on January 23, 2011, 1:39 am
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I saw this PDF booth at Tesco Ipoh last year. They really got quite a crowd pulling, hope not much has been scammed. Though, I did get a business card from one of its agents, he insist that I call him for appointment. Should I upload the card here?
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no point


Added on February 22, 2011, 1:07 pmsince they come and go for salesperson

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Hi I just got my FIRST payment of RM627.06. I hope this is not the first and the last. Actually I am very worried about this company after reading about your comments and posts. I signed the agreement on 01 Feb 2010 and received my certificate of ownership of the cow on 01 October 2010. The office called and informed me of my cow is already in the farm and is heavy pregnancy and last March my cow finally gave birth. I am praying hard that this company does not cheat me as this is my hard earned money.
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Where's mkazmi who claimed to be general manager of this PDF?
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why ask here? just call them directly although i wish luck on getting result. anyone hiring lawyer or any news with hotsniper?
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Hi. Just saw them (pdf team) at giant batu caves. Try to approach me (using their cute staff) but luckily I'm quite busy with my wife at the moment. Took their page & googled till found this thread.

That cute girl told me their next booth will be @ terengganu. So, hati2 weh gu. Sek2 ni makang pitih orang. Dok rok nnego.
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still exist this thread?

Why PDF still in action? Reg more customer, more and more..

My deposit RM50 still with them from early 2010..

Even more, they do their promotion in main supermarket..

Any victims report to consumer tribunal?




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tribunal doesn't work it seems, just read back previous page ya. need to hire lawyer
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tribunal doesn't work it seems, just read back previous page ya. need to hire lawyer
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Any group working on this?

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sadly none, its funny nobody bothered. anyone can claim back my 10k, u can get 5k as tq

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I wonder whether they are making the stories up like cow is dying la, pregnant la.

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sadly none, its funny nobody bothered. anyone can claim back my 10k, u can get 5k as tq
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how do i contact you?
you are right, seems like nobody bothered. :-(
These guys are now at Tesco in Penang. More people are getting conned.
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how do i contact you?
you are right, seems like nobody bothered. :-(
These guys are now at Tesco in Penang. More people are getting conned.
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why u need to contact me? just pm me cool2.gif

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On the 25th of September, I paid downpayment of RM9300 for a cow with the assurance of cooling down period of 14 days, to have my money refunded should I decide not to continue investing. On the 27th Of September, I wanted to get a refund. I have written a letter requesting for refund on the 1st of October and handed it to the representatives at Tesco Malacca that promotes this. Again on the 2nd of October I sent an email to the Managing Director En. Mohd Helmi B. Ali at the email address cservice@prestigedairyfarm.com . Then followed up with a physical letter to the company but there has no reply from the company at all. Through this forum I noticed that other fellow forumers have encountered the same thing.

I saw the GM Mr Mohd Khairul Azmi Jaafar giving his contact number in this forum, I called him at this number 03-22825786 just now but couldn't get through. Will call him tomorrow and see.

Will keep you all posted.
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sorry about ur case bro, pray that u get back ur money
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I deposited RM9300.00 in Sept 2011. 2 days later asked for refund within the 14 days cooling off period promised by the representative. My request for refund was rejected. They want me to put in another 70 % . The total is 30k plus. Reported to police. What to do next to get back my refund? Help!


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sadly none, its funny nobody bothered. anyone can claim back my 10k, u can get 5k as tq
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I m trying to get back my RM9300.00.
Let's work together.
I m trying to go to the press to expose this scam.


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why u need to contact me? just pm me  cool2.gif
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I will keep you posted.
I m just thinking more people with documents to proof our case.
Anyway I am going to do my part to expose this scam so that people who read this will not be conned like me.
I deposited my money when they set up a store in Tesco Melaka in Sept 2011.
I can be reached 012 2691176 or fortpin @gmail.com.


Added on December 13, 2011, 12:14 pmReported to police n now to Pejabat Pedagangan for report.

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all the best since victims have make police report and went to government agencies already. if not mistaken even 1 government agency to search them, yet they're still operational. The boss must have connection inside
The only way I heard victim can get back money is go ask lawyer to send them a letter to bring them to court

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All the complaints over the years and they are still operating. Major problems.
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All the complaints over the years and they are still operating. Major problems.
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Yes, Pejabat Perdagangan clerk in Melaka told me she had the similar complaints starting from 2009. Some victims even cried in front of her, there are those who could not go to Haj after being cheated!


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On the 25th of September, I paid downpayment of RM9300 for a cow with the assurance of cooling down period of 14 days, to have my money refunded should I decide not to continue investing. On the 27th Of September, I wanted to get a refund. I have written a letter requesting for refund on the 1st of October and handed it to the representatives at Tesco Malacca that promotes this. Again on the 2nd of October I sent an email to the Managing Director En. Mohd Helmi B. Ali at the email address cservice@prestigedairyfarm.com . Then  followed up with a physical letter to the company but there has no reply from the company at all. Through this forum I noticed that other fellow forumers have encountered the same thing.

I saw the GM Mr Mohd Khairul Azmi Jaafar giving his contact number in this forum, I called him at this number 03-22825786 just now but couldn't get through. Will call him tomorrow and see.

Will keep you all posted.
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just one of their many tricks


Added on December 22, 2011, 11:10 amAction plan.
1) Write an official letter of complaint to them for record.
2) Look for a lawyer friend willing to help you write a legal letter, and send it after 2 weeks from your personal complaint letter.
3) Create 100 pieces of information flyers how the company con you, and distribute the flyers in the event th company exhibit.
4) source for debt collection agencies specialising in debt collection, I believe they charge 30% to 50% of the collection.


Added on December 22, 2011, 11:11 amanyone knows a lawyer friend who can help write a legal letter?

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Lol the firdauswong straight dont dare reply. Clearly hes just trying to brainwash u all to invest
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long time he's not here already
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Yeah. So did u get ur money back?
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is sdn bhd or (m) bhd arr??


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my opinion is that you refer to ssm.
check their company's paid up capital FROM ssm not from the company via their form 24,49
file a complain against prestige dairy farm to ssm.
according to ssm this company has been raided once. so if you file another report hopefully ssm can fully frozen the company once and for all.
as far as i know, sdn bhd has unlimited liability so you won't be able to claim them that easy
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definitely sdn bhd. Berhad companies hard to scam like this. Well have reported to ssm as well. nothing happening to them so far. I reported last year. U thing this connected to our sharizat since media mention cows also with her
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Try to expose this issue to public via various methods, including government agencies as well as political party. Gather all your information and compile what you've in hand, then send to their office.

Believe me, they can deal in this case much more better, if, it's really somehow related to the famous cow issue recently brows.gif
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anyone want to do it?
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Dear All,

NEED YOUR ATTENTION!!!

YESTERDAY IVE BEEN INVITED TO WISMA PPV AFTER THEY CALLED ME LAST WEEK.
THEY OFFERED FREE ACCOMODATION 2DIN IF WE HEARD 45 MINUTES BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY PRESENTATION.

COMPANY: DESTINI RINGGIT SDN BHD
PHONE: 014-2312800
LOCATION : BRILLKIDS WISMA PPV, JALAN BANGSAR.

BUSINESS : ICE KOOL VENDING MACHINE.

A GUY PRESENTED ALL THE COMPANY PROFILE, MACHINE SPEC, PROFIT MARGIN ETC.

BUT ALL JUST IN FILE WITH GRAPHIC IMAGE AND 2 BUNTING. IVE REQUESTED ACTUAL MACHINE PICTURE, THEY COULDNT SHOW IT.
CLAIMED ALREADY RUN 2 MONTHS, HAVE 1 MACHINE AT PERAK, SETIAWAN. ALWAYS SAID HE WILL ARRANGE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THEIR CUSTOMER IF WE INTERESTED TO INVEST.

PRICE :RM38,888.00 FOR 450 MACHINE & RM58,888 FOR 900 MACHINE.
NEED TO PAY DOWNPAYMENT 30%!!! RM11K. THEN DOWN TO RM6K. AND THEY OFFERED IN-HOUSE LOAN!!!
THE GUY ALWAYS CLAIMED TYPING ERROR/GRAPHIC ERROR ON THE MATERIAL.

THE MEETING ONLY LAST ABOUT 30 MINUTES. THE GUY IMMEDIATELY PREPARING THE VACATION CARD AFTER I SAID NOT INTERESTED.










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post Feb 7 2012, 05:57 PM


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Thank god you didnt sign up... they seem to be diversifying the scam...

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get another boost of energy since my sister in law got conned. want to take some action tongue.gif
1.well will send formal letter
2. no reply within 2 weeks will make a formal police report
3. will print flyers and give below their company at Bangsar and booth(this will need u guys help since I never seen where they set up their booth at Tesco)

God bless smile.gif
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post May 8 2012, 09:59 AM


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Everyone that got scam by this company.....join me..... the only way to fight this is by working together..... i already make police report and also got advice by legal dept.....

Need to get ppl to join me..... hire 1 lawyer to represent all..... to stop this company once and for all......

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count me in bro. may i know the legal cost?
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ May 9 2012, 08:07 PM)
count me in bro. may i know the legal cost?
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count me in too. Been waiting for 2 years habuk pun tarakk!!! Suddently today i've receive letter saying that my cow died. They said i hv to wait for another 6 months. DAMNNNNNNN PDF!!!
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Still dealing wt the lawyer.... Will keep posted the update..... The more ppl join in, the better chance we get....
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QUOTE(delumute @ May 19 2012, 04:43 PM)
count me in too. Been waiting for 2 years habuk pun tarakk!!! Suddently today i've receive letter saying that my cow died. They said i hv to wait for another 6  months. DAMNNNNNNN PDF!!!
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u need to call them all the time, get the managers name and call them every week, if ur passionate enough everyday cool2.gif
that what i did last time, every week i call them. the only mistake i make is when i got greedy and continue since they said can return my money and i continue to invest doh.gif sweat.gif cry.gif yawn.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(Malim Zara @ May 19 2012, 11:36 PM)
Still dealing wt the lawyer.... Will keep posted the update..... The more ppl join in, the better chance we get....
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im definitely in however i want to know clearly the cost and if can minus from money when get back the 10k since financially low right now, since if i can get back the 10k invested im definitely willing to share with u the 5k. tqtqtq in advance notworthy.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kei18kun @ May 22 2012, 01:13 PM)
u need to call them all the time, get the managers name and call them every week, if ur passionate enough everyday  cool2.gif
that what i did last time, every week i call them. the only mistake i make is when i got greedy and continue since they said can return my money and i continue to invest  doh.gif  sweat.gif  cry.gif  yawn.gif  tongue.gif
im definitely in however i want to know clearly the cost and if can minus from money when get back the 10k since financially low right now, since if i can get back the 10k invested im definitely willing to share with u the 5k. tqtqtq in advance  notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
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Kei18kun, may I ask why you have not approached the press or TV stations?
I'm certain the rest of the victims would gladly participate and give their side of the story.
The Star, Metro, NTV7 or even TV3 are obvious choices.
Rope in a couple of politicians after that, and a groundswell could build up.
At the very least, it will prevent more people from being scammed.
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lol, do u have any contacts? easier said than done bro. i think i read somewhere its done before few years back yet this company still operating
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QUOTE(Aloong @ Feb 18 2009, 10:31 PM)
Regardless of how true your busines is, why people must decide whether to invest thousand of RM (i'm talking bout 5 figures!!!) on that day itself without even given the opportunity to do due diligence / checking /etc.

Real professionals do  / venture into business only after site visits, checking with legitimate/independant lawyers, business evaluetion etc... NOT ONE DAY, in fact ppl are pressured to decide on the spot, IT IS definitely a scam!!!

U think think is traders buying into stock market?? even investment in shares is 100 times safer...

If the business opportunity is soo good, why must one day?? don't give crap like u dun wan to waste time, etc. those are excuse to scam ppl


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:40 pm

For the benefit oof the doubt, i truly thinks the busines sounds viable, but it's a scam when they push you to invest that amount of money and decide on the spot.  This is not buying handphone and even pc for couple of thousand. this is like buying a car!!!

Anyway, how do you use the voucher??? Free accomodation rite?? What hotel??
. i've tried emailing to the email address stated in the voucher, the email addrs is in valid...hmmmm....


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:49 pm

They posted post sounded very unprofessional. ..this even makes it more dodgy...no wonder so many doubted the business.  this kinda managemaent attitude and professionalism, how to ensure they are making your money worth invest??? yeah better sell back the 3 cows fast....

btw, 3 cows?? that at least more than 50K!!! sorry but i have doubts on your legitimate statement as well...
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Added on June 19, 2012, 12:26 pm
QUOTE(Aloong @ Feb 18 2009, 10:31 PM)
Regardless of how true your busines is, why people must decide whether to invest thousand of RM (i'm talking bout 5 figures!!!) on that day itself without even given the opportunity to do due diligence / checking /etc.

Real professionals do  / venture into business only after site visits, checking with legitimate/independant lawyers, business evaluetion etc... NOT ONE DAY, in fact ppl are pressured to decide on the spot, IT IS definitely a scam!!!

U think think is traders buying into stock market?? even investment in shares is 100 times safer...

If the business opportunity is soo good, why must one day?? don't give crap like u dun wan to waste time, etc. those are excuse to scam ppl


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:40 pm

For the benefit oof the doubt, i truly thinks the busines sounds viable, but it's a scam when they push you to invest that amount of money and decide on the spot.  This is not buying handphone and even pc for couple of thousand. this is like buying a car!!!

Anyway, how do you use the voucher??? Free accomodation rite?? What hotel??
. i've tried emailing to the email address stated in the voucher, the email addrs is in valid...hmmmm....


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:49 pm

They posted post sounded very unprofessional. ..this even makes it more dodgy...no wonder so many doubted the business.  this kinda managemaent attitude and professionalism, how to ensure they are making your money worth invest??? yeah better sell back the 3 cows fast....

btw, 3 cows?? that at least more than 50K!!! sorry but i have doubts on your legitimate statement as well...
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Added on June 19, 2012, 12:26 pm
QUOTE(Aloong @ Feb 18 2009, 10:31 PM)
Regardless of how true your busines is, why people must decide whether to invest thousand of RM (i'm talking bout 5 figures!!!) on that day itself without even given the opportunity to do due diligence / checking /etc.

Real professionals do  / venture into business only after site visits, checking with legitimate/independant lawyers, business evaluetion etc... NOT ONE DAY, in fact ppl are pressured to decide on the spot, IT IS definitely a scam!!!

U think think is traders buying into stock market?? even investment in shares is 100 times safer...

If the business opportunity is soo good, why must one day?? don't give crap like u dun wan to waste time, etc. those are excuse to scam ppl


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:40 pm

For the benefit oof the doubt, i truly thinks the busines sounds viable, but it's a scam when they push you to invest that amount of money and decide on the spot.  This is not buying handphone and even pc for couple of thousand. this is like buying a car!!!

Anyway, how do you use the voucher??? Free accomodation rite?? What hotel??
. i've tried emailing to the email address stated in the voucher, the email addrs is in valid...hmmmm....


Added on February 18, 2009, 10:49 pm

They posted post sounded very unprofessional. ..this even makes it more dodgy...no wonder so many doubted the business.  this kinda managemaent attitude and professionalism, how to ensure they are making your money worth invest??? yeah better sell back the 3 cows fast....

btw, 3 cows?? that at least more than 50K!!! sorry but i have doubts on your legitimate statement as well...
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Added on June 19, 2012, 12:50 pm
QUOTE(delumute @ May 19 2012, 04:43 PM)
count me in too. Been waiting for 2 years habuk pun tarakk!!! Suddently today i've receive letter saying that my cow died. They said i hv to wait for another 6  months. DAMNNNNNNN PDF!!!
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Added on June 19, 2012, 12:52 pm
QUOTE(mkazmi @ Nov 5 2008, 03:02 PM)
Dear ALL,

Prestige Dairy Farm is a legitimate business and far being a con job. Contact me directly at (03) 22825786 for further clarification.

Mohd Khairol Azmi Jaafar
General Manager
Prestige Dairy Farm (M) Sdn. Bhd.
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Added on June 19, 2012, 12:55 pm
QUOTE(delumute @ May 19 2012, 04:43 PM)
count me in too. Been waiting for 2 years habuk pun tarakk!!! Suddently today i've receive letter saying that my cow died. They said i hv to wait for another 6  months. DAMNNNNNNN PDF!!!
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Added on June 19, 2012, 12:58 pm
QUOTE(Cheated by HBNC @ Nov 13 2008, 09:52 PM)
DEAR ALL, PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT DUMP IN YOUR MONEY IN ANY BUSINESS BY THIS COMPANY ' PRESTIGE DAIRY FARM '  (PDF). BEFORE PDF THEY WERE DOING TOP UP KIOSK MACHINE WITH ANOTHER  NAME; HOSPITALITY BIZ NETWORK(HBNC)'THEY ARE DOING A CON JOB, MANY OF MY FRIENDS WHO DEAL WITH THEM FACE A LOSS AND SUFFER PAYING BANK LOANS.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANIES, THEIR HQ IS AT JLN BANGSAR, WISMA PPV.

THEY ARE ALL SUCKING PUBLIC BLOOD.


Added on November 13, 2008, 9:53 pmPLEASE REFER MALAYSIAN FRANCAIS ASSOCIATION FORUM FOR MORE DETAILS.
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Added on June 19, 2012, 1:00 pmYes do not put your money with this co.- Prestige Dairy Farm(M) Sdn Bhd! Read other posting that I have posted. Cheated by it RM9.3 k!

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Any new information regarding on this company?
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Just remember this simple rule of thumb:
"If the business model is good and sure to make profit, they won't invite you to join. They will keep it to themselves or within their family members".

Don't be greedy everyone. Be safe.


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It was i the list....

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hi,as a vet student, i can say, this is bad investment, not that i dont want to encourage in this industry despite government support, but from i what learn, dairy is not a good business industry in malaysia,reason?
1. malaysia is tropical climate with aggravating temperature, which scientifically will cause stress to animal, we are not talking about the kedah kelantan here, or their hybrid, because in what i learn, the holstein type n etc is a import cow from country tht is way way different in our lovely malaysia, this will effect their milking production to a level tht u cant imagine, there ady a paper about this,
2. is not easy to achieve the 20-30 litre per cow, there are curve whereby involving the peak production and mating and cycle that must be follow, there is high risk in it.
3. this high producing milk cow is prone to parasitic infestation, such as tick and mite, n reason? mlaysia has superb humidity and temp for this parasite to breed,
4. in another country, this is multibillion business, but in malaysia it is not, and plus many otheer limitation tht hinder the success in this milking industry, there is one time in 2007 i think there is one good dairy farm, but then closed due to unable to maintain sustainable production.
5. u can see how little the farmer tht succes in this industry,
its not impossible but it is not easy either. smile.gif

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QUOTE(azrin177 @ Aug 1 2012, 10:45 PM)
hi,as a vet student, i can say, this is bad investment, not that i dont want to encourage in this industry despite government support, but from i what learn, dairy is not a good business industry in malaysia,reason?
1. malaysia is tropical climate with aggravating temperature, which scientifically will cause stress to animal, we are not talking about the kedah kelantan here, or their hybrid, because in what i learn, the holstein type n etc is a import cow from country tht is way way different in our lovely malaysia, this will effect their milking production to a level tht u cant imagine, there ady a paper about this,
2. is not easy to achieve the 20-30 litre per cow, there are curve whereby involving the peak production and mating and cycle that must be follow, there is high risk in it.
3. this high producing milk cow is prone to parasitic infestation, such as tick and mite, n reason? mlaysia has superb humidity and temp for this parasite to breed,
4. in another country, this is multibillion business, but in malaysia it is not, and plus many otheer limitation tht hinder the success in this milking industry, there is one time in 2007 i think there is one good dairy farm, but then closed due to unable to maintain sustainable production.
5. u can see how little the farmer tht succes in this industry,
its not impossible but it is not easy either. smile.gif
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Do you think if it was based somewhere like Cameron Highlands it would have a better chance? that is, if they still want to try it smile.gif


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