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post Jul 27 2008, 01:21 PM, updated 13y ago

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let's make a NAS discussion here since everyone is torrent fans...
anyone own a NAS enclosure ? and let's discuss the model and spec

p/s: pls har, i am not do advertisement here. haha biggrin.gif


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Hotway, HD9-SU2LA, NAS USB2/LAN. Silver, Network Attached Storage

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3.5" SATA Dual HDD, Hotway, HUR1-SU2LA, NAS/Raid 0/1, USB2.0/Lan, Black


any nice brand ?

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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jul 27 2008, 01:21 PM)
let's make a NAS discussion here since everyone is torrent fans...
anyone own a NAS enclosure ? and let's discuss the model and spec

p/s: pls har, i am not do advertisement here. haha biggrin.gif
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Hotway, HD9-SU2LA, NAS USB2/LAN. Silver, Network Attached Storage

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3.5" SATA Dual HDD, Hotway, HUR1-SU2LA, NAS/Raid 0/1, USB2.0/Lan, Black
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dlink dns 323
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post Jul 27 2008, 01:29 PM

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dlink dns 323 how much u bought ?
i am looking for one nas btw.aahah
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jul 27 2008, 01:29 PM)
dlink dns 323  how much u bought ?
i am looking for one nas btw.aahah
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rm420 from a good retailer...

at first i wanted to buy a single drive nas but i fell in love with dns323 and now i have to regret..

fyi,dlink also made single drive nas
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QUOTE(doodoo @ Jul 27 2008, 01:31 PM)
rm420 from a good retailer...

at first i wanted to buy a single drive nas but i fell in love with dns323 and now i have to regret..

fyi,dlink also made single drive nas
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Have to regret? any reason for that? I'm interested in Dlink DNS-323.
And RM420 for Dlink 323? where did u get that?
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post Jul 29 2008, 02:00 PM

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yup RM420 sound cheap for the dual hdd one.
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I heard you can build your own NAS server. What OS u all use to control your NAS server? interested to build one for torrenting.
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jul 29 2008, 02:00 PM)
yup RM420 sound cheap for the dual hdd one.
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post Jul 30 2008, 05:59 PM

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I'm using a QNAP NAS with BT server. Internal HD is a 750GB WD.
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btw, check this out NAS
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maybe need admin help tweak/merge the topic smile.gif

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QUOTE(zer0hour @ Jul 30 2008, 05:59 PM)
I'm using a QNAP NAS with BT server. Internal HD is a 750GB WD.
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when u buy the NAS server, what software did QNAS provide?
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post Jul 30 2008, 10:56 PM

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QNAP NAS wat brand is that ? can know the price?

i think i better build one one mini PC so can download using WIFIhaha
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In sg alot user use dlink 323. I saw it before but felt it was not so need yet n the price r stil quite high. This is a good stuff even better if can put 4 hdd. Dlink is coming with more slot version. Pricing is an issue also. The torrent n network function are not really what i after. To keep the hdd on standby are what i need n i dont want hot swap. I probably will get this after i get another few F1 n use this to power up my 4x 500gb hdd.
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jul 30 2008, 10:56 PM)
QNAP NAS  wat brand is that ? can know the price?

i think i better build one one mini PC so can download using WIFIhaha
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QNAP is QNAP tongue.gif

this model is RM599, http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=67



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which QNAP model is suitable for small user?

Dlink DNS 323 and QNAP TS100 , 2 of almost same price.which one is better?

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post Jul 31 2008, 10:14 AM

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qnap got media player eh
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i want to ask is there a less powerful kind of NAS,I just need to download torrent only no need NFS/PHP/SSL/HTTPS/FTP........
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I'm getting a 2TB network drive with mirroring raiding O_O

I think its NAS, lets see what I got when i receive it XD
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QUOTE(fariz @ Jul 31 2008, 06:52 AM)
QNAP is QNAP tongue.gif

this model is RM599, http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=67
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Yupyup exactly the model I'm using. No issues so far, 3 months d.
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QUOTE(zer0hour @ Aug 1 2008, 12:09 AM)
Yupyup exactly the model I'm using. No issues so far, 3 months d.
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Just asking did you use it for torrent usage ? any idea wat torrent client is it using .

I read comment abt this before and they claim it is slow and no upgrade can be done on the bt client any idea ?

anyone can validate this ? blush.gif
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MZK-NAS01SG (1x HDD SATA) RM399
http://www.planex.net/product/nas/mzk-nas01sg.htm
MZK-NAS02SG (2x HDD SATA) RM549
http://www.planex.net/product/nas/mzk-nas02sg.htm
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QUOTE(K for Ketamine @ Aug 2 2008, 10:46 PM)
Dual Gigabits. brows.gif

MZK-NAS01SG (1x HDD SATA) RM399
http://www.planex.net/product/nas/mzk-nas01sg.htm
MZK-NAS02SG (2x HDD SATA) RM549
http://www.planex.net/product/nas/mzk-nas02sg.htm
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what is the advantage of dual Gigabits ?
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can plug 2 lan cable lah!
and speed up to 1Gbps
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Just bought a Synology DS408 NAS box with 4x1TB Seagate 7200.11 HDs hooked up in RAID-5. Looking forward to checking out its features such as download suppor, iTunes server, and hibernation.
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Synology Download link

remember to get the latest firmware:

Synology Disk Station DS408 Release Notes

Version: DSM 2.0-0722

(2008/09/22)

Change log

=>RAID 6 Support: RAID 6 volume type cuts off the risk of volume failure and provides extra data protection.

=> NFS Support: With built-in NFS option, admin can quickly enable NFS and set up privileges on the UI by a few checks only.

=> Virtual Host: Hosting up to 30 websites on one single server for a more efficient and economical purpose; name-based virtual hosting is supported.

=> Batch Users Creating: By importing the user list, admin can now efficiently create a number of user accounts on a batch basis.

=> SSL Certificate Support: Admin can now host a valid SSL server by importing the certificate issued by trusted Certificate Authority (CA) and the private key.

=> HDD S.M.A.R.T.: The S.M.A.R.T. information and S.M.A.R.T. test are available on the management UI for admin to monitor, detect, and report the hard disks status, in a way to alert possible HDD failures.

=> Enhanced Surveillance Station (supported on Internet Explorer browser):

=> Alarm Recording Support: Other than Continuous Recording and Motion Detection Recording modes, a new option of Alarm Recording mode is now supported. In Alarm Recording mode, Surveillance Station records videos when receiving external I/O signals from the camera.

=> MPEG-4 Support: Other than M-JPEG video format, MPEG-4 format streaming and video recording is also supported, which significantly reduces the storage capacity requirement.

=> Megapixel Support: Depending on the IP cameras capability, megapixel video live-view and recording can be supported.

=> Snapshot: Snapshot taking in live-view and event play back is available.

=> Enhanced Management: Admin can go to Privilege page of Surveillance Station and grant other users the privileges of managing Surveillance Station, simply watch the live-view and events, or nothing at all. In addition, admin can now monitor the live-view on full screen, and manage the cameras by enabling/disabling cameras without deleting all the settings. Event recording can be stopped at anytime and played back immediately.

=> Enhanced Performance: Depending on the IP cameras capability, admin can choose to implement the motion detection by camera rather than Surveillance Station, which further enhances the system performance.

=> Additional 45 IP Cameras Support: 45 more IP camera models from Panasonic, Vivotek and LevelOne are added into the support list. Synology Surveillance Station now support up to almost 70 IP camera models in total from 7 renowned brands. Read the detailed camera list here.

=> Enhanced Local Backup: Enables multiple scheduled Local Backup tasks with the assistance of Local Backup wizard, the backup destination can be either the external HDD or the shared folders on the internal HDD. From now on, the external attached HDD (EXT3 or FAT format) can be used as storage and backup disk simultaneously.

=> Enhanced FTP Server: The advanced privilege of "write-only" is supported. In addition, limiting the maximum connections from each individual IP provides better bandwidth management together with the bandwidth restriction option. UTF-8 filename support which better handles multilingual characters is also optional.

=> New Download Station 2: Other than BitTorrent/FTP/HTTP download, new download channels eMule and NZB are now supported by the Download Station 2. In addition, partial files download from BitTorrent is also allowed. Download Station 2 is now separated from the management UI and stands on an individual webpage.

=> Enhanced File Station: Admin can designate his/her own File Station with a different port as well as customize webpage banner, so that users will login the File Station independent from the NAS server management UI. The advanced privilege of "write-only" is also supported.

=> Enhanced Audio Station: No USB speakers are required for playing music stored on the server anymore. The new streaming mode streams .mp3 audio files to the client PC(1) and delivers by built-in speakers. A built-in playlist "Random100" will randomly choose and play 100 songs each time it is selected.

=> Enhanced Photo Station 3: Admin can now customize Photo Station 3 background and theme in his/her own fashion, and sort photos and albums according to personal preference in the Settings area. Language setting is also modifiable based on his/her choice. The media RSS feed is now supported. Moreover, users can now enjoy the Photo Station 3 with Cooliris (formerly known as PicLens) dazzling full screen 3-dimensional photo slideshow(2). FLV video files are now supported.

=> Enhanced Windows ADS Compatibility: Better handles the Windows domains especially for those with a large number of domain users. Windows Server 2008 is also supported now.
Enhanced Mac OS Usability: Synology NAS servers will be automatically found by Bonjour protocol, including Finder and Safari browser (Bookmarks > Bonjour).

=> Enhanced iTunes Server: M4A and M4P file formats are correctly indexed on iTunes server with tags information. WAV and AIF files are now supported to be streamed, but metadata may not be indexed.
Enhanced Hibernation: Improved hibernation mechanism is introduced particularly to solve the problem of Western Digital Green Power series HDDs' not sleeping while in hibernation.

=> Enhanced Concurrent Connection Capability: The maximum concurrent connection number is now expanded to 256.

=> Perl Support: Perl 5.8.6 is formally included in Synology Disk Station Manager 2.0.

=> Package Management & Logitech SqueezeCenter Support: The Logitech SqueezeCenter will be supported on Synology NAS servers after installing the SqueezeCenter package (download here) provided by Synology. Users can easily install and uninstall this package, run and stop the SqueezeCenter service on Synology NAS servers on the [System > Package Management] page.
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im taking a wild shot here, but any1 ever seen any NAS with rapidshare d/l feature? hehe... torrents r so passe dy hehe... dont b angry ahhh

anyway, zhen^wei... is the hotway unit realiable? m planning to get a really basic nas ler...

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QUOTE(binjai @ Sep 29 2008, 10:47 AM)
im taking a wild shot here, but any1 ever seen any NAS with rapidshare d/l feature? hehe... torrents r so passe dy hehe... dont b angry ahhh

anyway, zhen^wei... is the hotway unit realiable? m planning to get a really basic nas ler...

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if you looking for low budget NAS , than Synology DS-108j or QNAP TS-101.

It have:

File server
Print server
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Backup ( from PC to NAS, from NAS to NAS or others Rsyn NAS)
File station
FTP
support MAC/PC
Photo station


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Synology DS-108j or QNAP TS-101

got photo ?

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u got the $$$ i got heaps of good brand to recommend
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Sep 29 2008, 02:41 PM)
Synology DS-108j or QNAP TS-101

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sorry, noob question.... smile.gif

can i use this NAS with BItcomet 0.66 modded?????
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How to use QGet to manage the BT download of multiple QNAP NAS servers remotely

QNAP NAS supports Download Station which you can use to download files independent of PC in a more energy-saving way. You can also manage the download tasks remotely even if you were away from home.

To access the Download Station of the NAS, you can login the web-based interface by web browser or use the Windows/ Mac QGet utility provided by QNAP.

Features of QGet

1. Allows access to the NAS over the Internet and remote management of the download tasks after setting up QNAP NAS and configuring the DDNS settings.
2. Multiple QNAP NAS servers can be maintained simultaneously.
3. After you have downloaded a torrent file to your computer, e.g. from http://www.bittorrent.com, you can double click the file or drag and drop the file to QGet and execute the download instantly.
4. You can view the download percentage, pause/ restart/ delete the download tasks, configure the download settings of different NAS servers, etc.
5. The download percentage of all running download tasks is shown on a mini floating window for convenient browsing.
6. QGet is a license-free utility which can be used on Windows and Mac.

Mac QGet Interface
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Windows QGet Interface
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Besides PC-less download, QNAP NAS supports UPnP/ DLNA media sharing that you can play the multimedia contents on the NAS by any compatible media player in LAN. You can set up your home multimedia centre by the NAS.

QNAP's Download Station supports BitTorrent, FTP, and HTTP download. You can also set up PC-less download eMule and NZB by QPKG installation.

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any idea on torrent speed using NAS??
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dpeends on ur line speed i think. but if running toreent using nas, wil affct ur line stability ?
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hello all...
is the D-Link DNS-323 support 1.5TB HDD? buy two HDDs and is it supprot 3TB?
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we are not dlink salesman.haha
i think can't support latest 1.5TB bah.

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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 30 2008, 03:40 PM)
we are not dlink salesman.haha
i think can't support latest 1.5TB bah.
tongue.gif tanya saja... because on the box said up to 2000GB, just curious whether can support up to 3000GB or 3TB since we have 1.5TB HDD available in Malaysia isn't it?
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QUOTE(syazone @ Oct 30 2008, 02:59 PM)
any idea on torrent speed using NAS??
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so far, we try before about 97kb/s

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Added on October 30, 2008, 11:18 pm
QUOTE(sniper69 @ Oct 30 2008, 03:51 PM)
tongue.gif tanya saja... because on the box said up to 2000GB, just curious whether can support up to 3000GB or 3TB since we have 1.5TB HDD available in Malaysia isn't it?
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enh..... Synology and QNAP is testing the 1.5TB now... should take some time to certify...


but some Synology user claim that it work with 1.5TB, Seagate ST31500341AS ,1500TB, SATA II

http://www.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Use...ble_Hard_Drives

I believe the new model of Synology/QNAP NAS will be able to support.

model like:
Synology
DS-508, RS408/DS408

QNAP
TS409/509 series....

anyway, once the disk is tested and working fine, than we can post here...smile.gif

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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 30 2008, 03:14 PM)
dpeends on ur line speed i think. but if running toreent using nas, wil affct ur line stability ?
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of coz that will depend on line speed, but we all know rite, screamyx throttle our line, thats the problem, whethe using nas can bypass those throttle or not

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so far, we try before about 97kb/s
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Added on October 30, 2008, 11:18 pm
enh..... Synology and QNAP is testing the 1.5TB now... should take some time to certify...
but some Synology user claim that it work with 1.5TB, Seagate ST31500341AS ,1500TB, SATA II 

http://www.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Use...ble_Hard_Drives

I believe the new model of Synology/QNAP NAS will be able to support.

model like:
Synology
DS-508, RS408/DS408

QNAP
TS409/509 series....

anyway, once the disk is tested and working fine, than we can post here...smile.gif
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speed not bad, using QNAP? what about dlink 323? anyone have screen shot on how torrent speed using this NAS?
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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 30 2008, 11:10 PM)
so far, we try before about 97kb/s

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Added on October 30, 2008, 11:18 pm
enh..... Synology and QNAP is testing the 1.5TB now... should take some time to certify...
but some Synology user claim that it work with 1.5TB, Seagate ST31500341AS ,1500TB, SATA II 

http://www.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Use...ble_Hard_Drives

I believe the new model of Synology/QNAP NAS will be able to support.

model like:
Synology
DS-508, RS408/DS408

QNAP
TS409/509 series....

anyway, once the disk is tested and working fine, than we can post here...smile.gif
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I m using NAS DS107+. My download speed is worst. What can I do to speed up the download? The torrent I show you here, have been run for 1week. And it still at 48%
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depends on ur torent file and ur house line speed one
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 31 2008, 12:39 PM)
depends on ur torent file and ur house line speed one
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I download halfway in Utorrent and transfer it to NAS synology download station and try. Compare to my PC download speed, the NAS download is damn slow.
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Anyone try the Buffalo Linkstation Live with BT NAS ? I just bought 1 unit and BT speed seems to be very slow , download rate can only be describe with Bs instead of Kbs . Any solution ? and I'm d/l those latest movie , seed should not be a problem . With Xunlei I can get 150Kbs .
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 31 2008, 12:46 PM)
I download halfway in Utorrent and transfer it to NAS synology download station and try. Compare to my PC download speed, the NAS download is damn slow.
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maybe now we should do some comparison on NAS, which one perform better when downloading torrent file in Malaysia (can bypass throttle)


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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 31 2008, 12:35 PM)
I m using NAS DS107+. My download speed is worst. What can I do to speed up the download? The torrent I show you here, have been run for 1week. And it still at 48%
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Ok. pls try

1) use the latest firmware version : DSM 2.0-0722; Build Date: 2008/09/20
2) In download Station =>setting => set the BitTorrent Network Setting , BitTorrent protocol encryption: "Auto/Always "
3) use the default BT port range ( unless u know the actual port)
4) Enable DHT network ( this normally will increase 25% )

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QUOTE(syazone @ Oct 31 2008, 08:13 PM)
maybe now we should do some comparison on NAS, which one perform better when downloading torrent file in Malaysia (can bypass throttle)
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one of the good buying point / value added to QNAP/Synology NAS is ,they will release new firmware with improved performance as well as new feature every 2~3 months.


so far, as what I know the first NAS come with BitTorrent protocol encryption: is QNAP TS-109 model. and than they apply to all the TS-109 , TS-209 series.. and also implement the DHT

and than Synology also implement this ...... (with new latest firmware upgrade for Synology :NEW Download Station 2: Supports two new download channels – eMule and NZB, and allows partial file download form BitTorrent.)


some idea of DHT info
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The Download Station enhancements include DHT support, 25% performance increase, BT encryption support, and flexible seeding rule settings. The download enhancements imply a shorter time needed to download the same files; this pushes the Green idea Synology has always kept in mind another step forward.

The DHT support allows trackerless torrents downloading. It means you do not need to connect to a tracker in order to download, but connect to a distributed DHT Network to find other peers. The upgraded Download Station also supports TCP trackers, UDP trackers, and Peer Exchange Protocol, all that are for increasing the ability to find more peers when downloading. In addition, flexible seeding options are also available in this release.

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others NAS which offer BT just normal BT... wihtout BitTorrent protocol encryption:... and download speed is just less than 19Kb/s...


personally, I manage to get the max is 120KB/s, and some time 97KB/s or even 55KB/s..... refer to the manufacture explaining is the total speed will depands on your ISP line, how many BT server/PC holding/storing the file that u need to download, the more service/PC online with that particular file than your speed will fast..

so, if you monitoring closely, you can "SEE" the download speed up and down.... and don't forgot to leave the file open for sharing at least 1~2 hours... let others ppl to BT your file.... BT is mainly for sharing...

if you like to try,

for synology: port 5000
http://midi.serveftp.net:5000 ,

for QNAP : port 8080 ( only IE, user can use others port, but for this example, we use port 8080)
http://midi.serveftp.net:8080 ,

or for QNAP you can use the QGet this is free utility.
How to use QGet to manage the BT download of multiple QNAP NAS servers remotely


you can use :
1) user ID: midi password :midi
2) user ID: test password :test
3) user ID: abc password :abc
4) user ID :admin password: admin

if you had jump out from the page that's mean others user using the same ID to login.... as this is a demo site.

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Main priority is replace the use of usb external drive to NAS via wifi.
Currently still looking for the most power efficient setup between NAS enclosure or self built NAS
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wanna ask here, if use qget remote control software, can i queue and instruct the NAS to download files from rapidshare or megaupload remotely? lets say that the NAS is at home while im at uni or 'balik kampung', is that possible? ive preferred dload using RS or MU rather than BT...
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QUOTE(Nidz @ Nov 2 2008, 10:55 PM)
wanna ask here, if use qget remote control software, can i queue and instruct the NAS to download files from rapidshare or megaupload remotely? lets say that the NAS is at home while im at uni or 'balik kampung', is that possible? ive preferred dload using RS or MU rather than BT...
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Remotely to download the file?

Yes. there is.

QNAP and Synology NAS can do this.

QNAP : admin user can do without using any others software,
QNAP demo link: ID/PAss: admin

QNAP also product MLDonkey (電子騾)How to Install & Run MLDonkey (EMule) via QPKG on the QNAP NAS
http://www.qnap.com/pro_features_QPKG.asp

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QNAP also come with Qget How to use QGet to manage the BT download of multiple QNAP NAS servers remotely

QNAP user can use this Qget to control fews QNAP NAS all over the world... this mean, NAS can be at JB, Melake, PG, Sabah, Sarawak ,Singapore and others place as long as internet connected.

for Synology: they have Download station ( web base, come with synology NAS and FREE to use),

Synology admin as well as user to remotely to put the link. but now only admin can use the eMule and user only can use BT,

u can try this link: http://midi.serveftp.net:5000, user/pass: admin

if you know chinese, please see this link: Synology NAS DS207+ V.S PC µTorrent 下載速度PK賽

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Added on November 3, 2008, 1:01 am
QUOTE(e-jump @ Nov 1 2008, 11:47 PM)
Guess soon i'll be joining this legion.
Main priority is replace the use of usb external drive to NAS via wifi.
Currently still looking for the most power efficient setup between NAS enclosure or self built NAS
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this will depends on your technical skill and the time you have....

like QNAP / Synology : they release new firmware every 2~3 months and they also have official forum (in chinese/english/others launguge)...

for example, now they are ( actually some user had done before) : PHPXmail ( build your own email)

more info for QNAP :http://www.qnap.com/pro_features.asp

for Synology :http://www.synology.com/enu/products/features/index.php

others feature like

How to link PS3/
How to Access Your Turbo NAS from the Internet - DDNS
How to use QGet to manage the BT download of multiple QNAP NAS servers remotely
NextGEN gallery plugin for WordPress
WordPress Installation via QPKG
How to install Squeeze Centerâ„¢ 7 via QPKG to serve music files to Squeezeboxâ„¢ Duet
How to set up the Surveillance Station of QNAP NAS
How to Install & Run MLDonkey (EMule) on the QPKG Platform of the QNAP NAS
Using NFS Sharing of QNAP NAS to Set up Home Multimedia Center and Play HD Video
Start to establish your interactive website by using Joomla! CMS on QNAP NAS
Online RAID Capacity Expansion & RAID Level Migration
How to use QNAP NAS with Sony PSP and Nokia N95 for Wireless Media Playing
Procedure of hot-swapping hard drive when a drive crashes in RAID 1
How to Establish a PC-less Home Multimedia Center by Using QNAP NAS and Sony PlayStation3 Game Console
How to Use PHP & MySQL to Create a Forum in Your Turbo Station
How to Set up Server System for Your Small-sized Business by QNAP Turbo Station
How to Use P2P Download Independent of Computer by QNAP Turbo Station
Enrich Your Digital Life by QNAP Turbo Station's UPnP Media Server
How to Set up Your Own FTP Server in an Easy Way by QNAP Turbo Station
How to Back up & Share Your Digital Photos by QNAP Turbo Station
Enjoy Your Music by QNAP Turbo Station's iTunes Server

Synology Applications :
A PC File Server Alternative
Surveillance Station
Photo Station 3
File Station
Audio Station
Download Station 2
Web Station
iTunes Server
Multimedia Service

Security
Windows ADS Support
Encrypted FTP
Encrypted Network Backup
HTTPS Support

Backup Solutions
Desktop Backup
Local Backup
Network Backup
USB Copy

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Add Printer Wizard
Download Redirector
Data Replicator 3


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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 31 2008, 11:58 PM)
Ok. pls try

1) use the latest firmware version  : DSM 2.0-0722; Build Date: 2008/09/20
2)  In download Station =>setting => set the BitTorrent Network Setting , BitTorrent protocol encryption: "Auto/Always "
3)  use the default BT port range ( unless u know the actual port)
4) Enable DHT network ( this normally will increase 25% )

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Added on November 1, 2008, 12:38 am

one of the good buying point / value added to QNAP/Synology NAS is ,they will release new firmware with improved performance as well as new feature every 2~3 months.
so far, as what I know the first NAS come with BitTorrent protocol encryption: is QNAP TS-109 model. and than they apply to all the TS-109 , TS-209 series.. and also implement the DHT

and than Synology also implement this ......  (with new latest firmware upgrade for Synology :NEW Download Station 2: Supports two new download channels – eMule and NZB, and allows partial file download form BitTorrent.)
some idea of  DHT info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The Download Station enhancements include DHT support, 25% performance increase, BT encryption support, and flexible seeding rule settings. The download enhancements imply a shorter time needed to download the same files; this pushes the Green idea Synology has always kept in mind another step forward.

The DHT support allows trackerless torrents downloading. It means you do not need to connect to a tracker in order to download, but connect to a distributed DHT Network to find other peers. The upgraded Download Station also supports TCP trackers, UDP trackers, and Peer Exchange Protocol, all that are for increasing the ability to find more peers when downloading. In addition, flexible seeding options are also available in this release.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
others NAS which offer BT just normal BT... wihtout BitTorrent protocol encryption:... and download speed is just less than 19Kb/s...
personally, I manage to get the max is 120KB/s, and some time 97KB/s or even 55KB/s..... refer to the manufacture explaining is the total speed will depands on your ISP line, how many BT server/PC holding/storing the file that u need to download, the more service/PC online with that particular file than your speed will fast..

so, if you monitoring closely, you can "SEE" the download speed up and down.... and don't forgot to leave the file open for sharing at least 1~2 hours... let others ppl to BT your file.... BT is mainly for sharing...

if you like to try,

for synology: port 5000
http://midi.serveftp.net:5000 , 

for QNAP : port 8080 ( only IE, user can use others port, but for this example, we use port 8080)
http://midi.serveftp.net:8080 ,

or for QNAP you can use the  QGet  this is free utility.
How to use QGet to manage the BT download of multiple QNAP NAS servers remotely
you can use :
1) user ID: midi password :midi
2) user ID: test password :test
3) user ID: abc password :abc
4) user ID :admin password: admin

if you had jump out from the page that's mean others user using the same ID to login.... as this is a demo s
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Thanks for your help. The setting you mention, I have done it early. The only different is the "Bittorrent protocol ecryption" was disable. I have found another way. To speed up the download, I ve to enable the DMZ in the router setting. But this would cause my NAS without a firewall protection. Here is the latest result. The speed is still about 30-40KB/s slow than the pc download speed.
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so, which NAS u would recommend to me, if my main use is:

download from Rapidshare or Megaupload using premium account,
BT sometimes (encrypted?)
hav 2 bays,
and other standard features...

thx
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QUOTE(Nidz @ Nov 4 2008, 01:56 PM)
so, which NAS u would recommend to me, if my main use is:

download from Rapidshare or Megaupload using premium account,
BT sometimes (encrypted?)
hav 2 bays,
and other standard features...

thx
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I have a chat with denhock on the Synology DS-108J. The current Download Station 2.0 are not very user friendly with rapidshare/Megaupload Multiple links.
For RS, User need to input download link, username and password for every link. For a HD video that around 4.5GB which had 35-40 links (File split to 200mb max)...User need add manually 1 by 1...Very tedious task! shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

For RS user, we normally use IDM (Internet Download Manager) or other DM apps to add multiples links and few button clicks. IDM also support import txt file(that consist RS/Megaupload links)

But for BT, I think is not a big deal since it normally had single link url for whole content.

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Nov 4 2008, 01:56 PM)
so, which NAS u would recommend to me, if my main use is:

download from Rapidshare or Megaupload using premium account,
BT sometimes (encrypted?)
hav 2 bays,
and other standard features...

thx
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download from Rapidshare or Megaupload using premium account,
respond: so far, for current firmware, u need to put the link one by one.... had send this request to QNAP/Synology

2 bays: QANP TS-209 II ( 500Mhz, 256MB)
Synology DS-207+ ( 500Mhz, 128MB) / DS-209+ ( 800Mhz, 512MB)

all have BitTorrent protocol encryption, DHT support.


Added on November 4, 2008, 4:06 pm
QUOTE(mikelanding @ Nov 4 2008, 03:56 PM)
I have a chat with denhock on the Synology DS-108J. The current Download Station 2.0 are not very user friendly with rapidshare/Megaupload Multiple links.
For RS, User need to input download link, username and password for every link. For a HD video that around 4.5GB which had 35-40 links (File split to 200mb max)...User need add manually 1 by 1...Very tedious task!  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

For RS user, we normally use IDM (Internet Download Manager) or other DM apps to add multiples links and few button clicks. IDM also support import txt file(that consist RS/Megaupload links)

But for BT, I think is not a big deal since it normally had single link url for whole content.
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ha... u are right, need to put the link one by one , had summit this request to Synology

if you need more or summit your request this is the office forum link for
:Synology:
Synology office forum => Download Station Requests

:QNAP :
QNAPDownload Station and QGet section




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QUOTE(denhock @ Nov 4 2008, 04:05 PM)


2 bays: QANP TS-209 II ( 500Mhz, 256MB)
Synology DS-207+ ( 500Mhz, 128MB) / DS-209+ ( 800Mhz, 512MB)

all have BitTorrent protocol encryption, DHT support.

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what kind of price im expected to fork out for these dual bays?
whats the power consumption like, and any cooling issues?
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IINM the QNAP t209 is rm1599 and the price for DS207 is rm1499...
u can chek the price at http://www.midispecialist.com/

damn, its very expensive... wut abour QNAP ts101 (599) and DS108j (599)?
i know it has 1 bay only, but wut about other feature like encrypted BT and remote dload manager for RS and MU??

wut do u suggest? da cheaper one or the expensive one??

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Nov 4 2008, 11:20 PM)
IINM the QNAP t209 is rm1599 and the price for DS207 is rm1499...
u can chek the price at http://www.midispecialist.com/

damn, its very expensive... wut abour QNAP ts101 (599) and DS108j (599)?
i know it has 1 bay only, but wut about other feature like encrypted BT and remote dload manager for RS and MU??

wut do u suggest? da cheaper one or the expensive one??
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i shat bracks for a while there >_<

guess i need to research more on freeNAS alternative and such before taking a plunge into NAS
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QUOTE(e-jump @ Nov 4 2008, 08:12 PM)
what kind of price im expected to fork out for these dual bays?
whats the power consumption like, and any cooling issues?
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Traffic rate: 30cents (new rate)

For synology/QNAP power consumption is from 26w ( 1 bay) ~ 84.7w (5bays /HDD) ~ less than RM230.00 per year ( for 85W)

so is far far lower than if using normal PC :

for example:

1) with 250W PS : RM 657/ year

2) with 350W PS : RM 919/ year


3) with 450W PS : RM 1182/ year


4) with 550W PS : RM 1445/ year


so, if you use synology/QANP .. you can save more $$$


Added on November 4, 2008, 11:56 pm
QUOTE(Nidz @ Nov 4 2008, 11:20 PM)
IINM the QNAP t209 is rm1599 and the price for DS207 is rm1499...
u can chek the price at http://www.midispecialist.com/

damn, its very expensive... wut abour QNAP ts101 (599) and DS108j (599)?
i know it has 1 bay only, but wut about other feature like encrypted BT and remote dload manager for RS and MU??

wut do u suggest? da cheaper one or the expensive one??
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yes, encrypted BT for Synology only. for QNAP TS-101 , sorry, not yet enable this feature yet.


Added on November 4, 2008, 11:58 pm
QUOTE(kaiser_falco @ Nov 4 2008, 11:40 PM)
can nas server install a vpn service on it?
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eh,,,,... u need to visit synology and QNAP official forum... so far, some user had manage to install PHPXmail and others application....


Added on November 13, 2008, 6:19 pm

QNAP had releases new firmware ver 2.1.2 Build 081031,


Download station now supports direct download from Rapidshare or through QRapid


Added on November 14, 2008, 12:29 am
QUOTE(Nidz @ Nov 4 2008, 01:56 PM)
so, which NAS u would recommend to me, if my main use is:

download from Rapidshare or Megaupload using premium account,
BT sometimes (encrypted?)
hav 2 bays,
and other standard features...

thx
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QNAP release new firmware: 2.1.2 Build 081031 dated 11 nov 08


- Download station now supports direct download from Rapidshare or through QRapid



Added on November 14, 2008, 12:29 am
QUOTE(mikelanding @ Nov 4 2008, 03:56 PM)
I have a chat with denhock on the Synology DS-108J. The current Download Station 2.0 are not very user friendly with rapidshare/Megaupload Multiple links.
For RS, User need to input download link, username and password for every link. For a HD video that around 4.5GB which had 35-40 links (File split to 200mb max)...User need add manually 1 by 1...Very tedious task!  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

For RS user, we normally use IDM (Internet Download Manager) or other DM apps to add multiples links and few button clicks. IDM also support import txt file(that consist RS/Megaupload links)

But for BT, I think is not a big deal since it normally had single link url for whole content.
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haha...


QNAP release new firmware: 2.1.2 Build 081031 dated 11 nov 08


- Download station now supports direct download from Rapidshare or through QRapid



Added on November 14, 2008, 12:30 am
QUOTE(Nidz @ Nov 2 2008, 10:55 PM)
wanna ask here, if use qget remote control software, can i queue and instruct the NAS to download files from rapidshare or megaupload remotely? lets say that the NAS is at home while im at uni or 'balik kampung', is that possible? ive preferred dload using RS or MU rather than BT...
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now have another good reason to use QNAP NAS:




QNAP release new firmware: 2.1.2 Build 081031 dated 11 nov 08


- Download station now supports direct download from Rapidshare or through QRapid



Added on November 14, 2008, 12:32 am
QUOTE(e-jump @ Nov 4 2008, 08:12 PM)
what kind of price im expected to fork out for these dual bays?
whats the power consumption like, and any cooling issues?
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Power consumption for 1 or 2 bays : less than RM 100 per year for synology / QNAP NAS

so far there is no cooling issues for Synology as well as QNAP

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http://www.pcshow.net/detail-36-426332-5.html (china site)

look like QNAP - TS-109Pro can support xunlei.
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do u need additional cooling for the QNAP NAS?
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Nov 21 2008, 03:25 PM)
do u need additional cooling for the QNAP NAS?
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no lah.... so far , all the QNAP NAS model have very good design on this area.



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Maybe I a bit Paranoid.

what if NAS fails?
HD are in linux file format

easy to get data out?
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QUOTE(bOoEsT @ Nov 21 2008, 04:27 PM)
Maybe I a bit Paranoid.

what if NAS fails?
HD are in linux file format

easy to get data out?
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Basically, this will depends which NAS product u buy...

for example: for QNAP 1 bay product, they product Q-RAID-1, which mean u can have mirroring your DATA. once internal HDD dead than U just replace this external HDD to your internal HDD. and power up... and it will work like normal.

if you ask about HW ( which mean the inside motherbaord) fail... so far less than 1% of spoil rate for the past 3 years.....

but if you still insist ask how if your NAS is belong to that 1%, than the answer is , just connect to another QNAP NAS, they can read...... by others QNAP NAS....

but as for extra protection, normally we advice customer to do the QRAID-1 to have better data protection...
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i am looking for 2 bay NAS product, anyone can intro to me?
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Just got my D-link DNS-323 NAS.
Kinda dissapointed. Does'nt even have protocol encryption settings available...

Download speed is around 4Kbps...



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I'm getting a 2TB network drive with mirroring raiding O_O

I think its NAS, lets see what I got when i receive it XD
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Can someone explain to me the difference between a Synology DS-109j and a DS-109? Or the difference between Synology's 10xj or 10x technically would be a pretty similar line of question. Price is of course different.

I'm thinking of buying a NAS to act as a LAN file server and a remote (access through Internet) file server whenever I go outstation (no need to pry off an internal HDD and bringing along an external case). Certainly simplify things and reduce power usage whenever I just need torrent-ing or simple browsing/word processing with my netbook (leaving my desktop for use for heavier tasks).
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Can someone explain to me the difference between a Synology DS-109j and a DS-109? Or the difference between Synology's 10xj or 10x technically would be a pretty similar line of question. Price is of course different.

I'm thinking of buying a NAS to act as a LAN file server and a remote (access through Internet) file server whenever I go outstation (no need to pry off an internal HDD and bringing along an external case). Certainly simplify things and reduce power usage whenever I just need torrent-ing or simple browsing/word processing with my netbook (leaving my desktop for use for heavier tasks).
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jul 27 2008, 01:21 PM)
let's make a NAS discussion here since everyone is torrent fans...
anyone own a NAS enclosure ? and let's discuss the model and spec

p/s: pls har, i am not do advertisement here. haha biggrin.gif
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Wow... Asus EeeNas D200 looks good. Got led somemore.
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http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-LAN-NETWORK-SER...3A1%7C294%3A200

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After searching the forum, so this is the official place to discuss about NAS?
I am planning to buy one NAS, connect to my router to allow multiple user access.
Saw ALL IT selling Buffalo DriveStation Live NAS 640Gb at RM399.
Any comments or suggestions around the same price?
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i dun have NAS and i am new into this stuff

u mean NAS got its own software where we login to the NAS via http:// macam a router, then it has its Btorrent software for us to download?
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we can share document in NAS, or some of the NAS device provide torrent download smile.gif
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I am interested to know whether can configure NAS to download from rapidshare, megaupload, etc...
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no have any NAS support these
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Saw MAXTOR 320GB Shared Storage II selling at RM159 only.
But it's only 320Gb and it's kinda ugly compare to Buffalo LinkStation.
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it is external enclosure or NAS ?
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^^ It's NAS with built in 320Gb. Got 2 usb port.
After researching, it seems like pretty old model.
That's why the price going low now.
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Hi,

I just follow NAS Thread here and its nice...
I've planned to buy NAS for home user.

Basicaly I need NAS to connect to my iMac and PC both, and use for media streaming, and if possible the usb also can use as print server.
Is there any recomendation which Nas Product is good both in performance and featured ?

I saw this thread mostly use Synology, Qnap and Dlink.

Right now I need 2TB disk and I just abit confused with WD MyBook World II and Dlink.

Thanks.


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I am finding for cheap affordable NAS solution too.
Is D-Link DNS-313 no longer in production?
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Any comment on Western digital sharespace 4TB?

Is NAS can configure as stand alone File server in a LAN environment?
How about user authentication? About 70 users.

How about RAID0 to RAID6? Just software configuration or all NAS can support it?

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QUOTE(qzplx @ Nov 17 2009, 12:01 AM)
Hi,

I just follow NAS Thread here and its nice...
I've planned to buy NAS for home user.

Basicaly I need NAS to connect to my iMac and PC both, and use for media streaming, and if possible the usb also can use as print server.
Is there any recomendation which Nas Product is good both in performance and featured ?

I saw this thread mostly use Synology, Qnap and Dlink.

Right now I need 2TB disk and I just abit confused with WD MyBook World II and Dlink.

Thanks.
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Get the synology or qnap.

I m using synology for 2yrs. So far so good. A lot of function you can use. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 26 2009, 02:48 PM)
Get the synology or qnap.

I m using synology for 2yrs. So far so good. A lot of function you can use. thumbup.gif
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Looking forward for Pc Fair promo for NAS.
Wanna get a simple one like D-Link DNS-313(but this is already obsolete model).
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QUOTE(qzplx @ Nov 17 2009, 12:01 AM)
Hi,

I just follow NAS Thread here and its nice...
I've planned to buy NAS for home user.

Basicaly I need NAS to connect to my iMac and PC both, and use for media streaming, and if possible the usb also can use as print server.
Is there any recomendation which Nas Product is good both in performance and featured ?

I saw this thread mostly use Synology, Qnap and Dlink.

Right now I need 2TB disk and I just abit confused with WD MyBook World II and Dlink.

Thanks.
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DLink DNS-313/323/343 is just an enclosure. The DNS323, price at RM469. Put a WD Green WD20EADS 2TB @ RM 710 = RM1,179.
Put 2 x WD10EADS 1TB & raid-0 it to get the same capacity @ 2 x RM285 = RM570. Plus the enclosure you will be paying RM1,039.

WD MyBook World II is fitted with the same WD20EADS 2TB harddisk and the retail price is RM1,290.

My advise, if you do not know how to manage a custom build device it is better that you stick with the WD. Otherwise get a custom NAS which offers more functionality as below which WD might/might not be offering:
10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Port
USB 2.0 Port for Print Server or UPS Monitoring Power
IEEE 802.3 + IEEE 802.3ab
EEE 802.3u + TCP/IP
CIFS/SMB + DHCP Server/Client
DDNS + NTP
FTP + HTTP/HTTPS
Jumbo Frame
JBoD, RAID 0, RAID 1
E-mail alerts
iTunes & FTP Server
Built-in FTP server for file access from over the Internet
UPnP
Power management for conserving energy and extending hard drive life
Real time backups with the included backup software
Storage permissions for users and groups
soft-modded UNIX operating system
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 26 2009, 01:48 PM)
Get the synology or qnap.

I m using synology for 2yrs. So far so good. A lot of function you can use. thumbup.gif
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Great choice. Synology is a great product if $$$ is not the constraint.

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 28 2009, 11:20 AM)
DLink DNS-313/323/343 is just an enclosure. The DNS323, price at RM469. Put a WD Green WD20EADS 2TB @ RM 710 = RM1,179.
Put 2 x WD10EADS 1TB & raid-0 it to get the same capacity @ 2 x RM285 = RM570. Plus the enclosure you will be paying RM1,039.

WD MyBook World II is fitted with the same WD20EADS 2TB harddisk and the retail price is RM1,290.

My advise, if you do not know how to manage a custom build device it is better that you stick with the WD. Otherwise get a custom NAS which offers more functionality as below which WD might/might not be offering:
10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Port
USB 2.0 Port for Print Server or UPS Monitoring Power
IEEE 802.3 + IEEE 802.3ab
EEE 802.3u + TCP/IP
CIFS/SMB + DHCP Server/Client
DDNS + NTP
FTP + HTTP/HTTPS
Jumbo Frame
JBoD, RAID 0, RAID 1
E-mail alerts
iTunes & FTP Server
Built-in FTP server for file access from over the Internet
UPnP
Power management for conserving energy and extending hard drive life
Real time backups with the included backup software
Storage permissions for users and groups
soft-modded UNIX operating system
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Wah, thanks for the very good exporsure... Actually I'm also kinda of techies... Custom build should be no problem on me since I need for the performance.

Maybe anyone know, from hardware build which one is using more advance tech ?
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QUOTE(outdoorxplorer @ Nov 28 2009, 12:01 PM)
Great choice. Synology is a great product if $$$ is not the constraint.
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It not really that expensive. You can get the cheaper model with 1 HDD. That is not much effect on speed or whatever if you are home user and mostly only one user.

Actually it save in long run. Don't just look at the initial price. For those who heavy BT and RS, this is the best NAS. Stable, no problem and good update firmware. For two yrs, I even can't finish explore the function. (lazy also tongue.gif )

Like you guys think, I did brought cheap china NAS to try. Yeah, it cheap but sucks like hell. mad.gif Even don't no how many times upgrade firmware, it still sucks. Now just use it as ext HDD.
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So.. If the question came to Synology or D-link, what should be more good ?
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So.. If the question came to Synology or D-link, what should be more good ?
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so this nas thing..is it good for 24/7 dloding from RS and MU..most important is power usage compared to atom pc..
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so this nas thing..is it good for 24/7 dloding from RS and MU..most important is power usage compared to atom pc..
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I running it without off for 2yrs. It consume only 23w compare your pc 300w. How much your atom pc consume?

Yes, it come with dl RS and MU. But not for free DL. Password and user require. I m free DL. So never try this function before. BT, no problem.
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i still dun have atom pc...but seriously considering it for downloading machine and also as media storage..and i thought NAS might be other alternative..

As for RS and MU..i'm also a free user..but i'm using some software to arrange all the downloads to be completely auto..dont mind the waiting too..so i need low power 24/7 downloading machine.

also wondering if the OS compatible with windows application.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 28 2009, 05:47 PM)
I running it without off for 2yrs. It consume only 23w compare your pc 300w. How much your atom pc consume?

Yes, it come with dl RS and MU. But not for free DL. Password and user require. I m free DL. So never try this function before. BT, no problem.
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Hi Mr. Ozak, thanks for ur recommendations...
I think I've planned to buy it on PC fair next month... Btw, I need 2 bay Disc for this, how much is the current price right now ?
or is there any reseller or distributor to sell this product in Malaysia ? Which store has a good price for this ??

Thanks again
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QUOTE(ojay @ Nov 28 2009, 07:19 PM)
i still dun have atom pc...but seriously considering it for downloading machine and also as media storage..and i thought NAS might be other alternative..

As for RS and MU..i'm also a free user..but i'm using some software to arrange all the downloads to be completely auto..dont mind the waiting too..so i need low power 24/7 downloading machine.

also wondering if the OS compatible with windows application.
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In long run, it cost you alot to use atom pc to DL for 24/7.RS I use my laptop to dl 24/7 before. I will think NAS first before consider pc.

RS and MU free user cannot use this NAS. Cause it require user and password to DL. I m too using third party software to DL as free user. But on my laptop.

It using linux if not mistaken. But totaly compactible. The best thing is I can access this NAS anywhere in the world to manage DL and take file. Even can host my website on it and host email acc. (I m noob on this tongue.gif )


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Hi Mr. Ozak, thanks for ur recommendations...
I think I've planned to buy it on PC fair next month... Btw, I need 2 bay Disc for this, how much is the current price right now ?
or is there any reseller or distributor to sell this product in Malaysia ? Which store has a good price for this ??

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I m not sure for the two bay price. But quite expensive if not mistaken. The price is pretty std. All can get it at LY. Pls ask denhock for further info. Search back few pages. I m just happy user only. smile.gif

For your info, you can get the price from the LY.net front page.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 28 2009, 11:48 PM)
In long run, it cost you alot to use atom pc to DL for 24/7.RS I use my laptop to dl 24/7 before. I will think NAS first before consider pc.

RS and MU free user cannot use this NAS. Cause it require user and password to DL. I m too using third party software to DL as free user. But on my laptop.

It using linux if not mistaken. But totaly compactible. The best thing is I can access this NAS anywhere in the world to manage DL and take file. Even can host my website on it and host email acc. (I m noob on this tongue.gif )

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haha..seriously i'm a noob too when it comes to this server thing...i do want to have that kind of setup-awesomeness-..but pity since i can't automated my download on NAS as a free user..not really interested paying premium yet on RS/MU..i really don't mind waiting but i really mind the bills though...decision, decision.. doh.gif
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haha..seriously i'm a noob too when it comes to this server thing...i do want to have that kind of setup-awesomeness-..but pity since i can't automated my download on NAS as a free user..not really interested paying premium yet on RS/MU..i really don't mind waiting but i really mind the bills though...decision, decision.. doh.gif
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Better go for pc. Since RS/MU is your main. Well, for the bill, only long run will see the result.

My main DL is still BT. NAS is suitable for me. I don't like to see my laptop running 24/7. sweat.gif
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Seems like a hot topic here. I'm interested with this thingy. Anyone can explain to me pls? Coz my connection is super slow.. I dunno why. It's 1Mb but my downloads max can go till 30+kb only.. So this thingy sounds interesting to boost my download speed.

Appreciate you guys effort if willing to explain to me. I'm a noob in computer thingy.

Thanks in advanced~ smile.gif
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Seems like a hot topic here. I'm interested with this thingy. Anyone can explain to me pls? Coz my connection is super slow.. I dunno why. It's 1Mb but my downloads max can go till 30+kb only.. So this thingy sounds interesting to boost my download speed.

Appreciate you guys effort if willing to explain to me. I'm a noob in computer thingy.

Thanks in advanced~ smile.gif
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Forget it my friend. save your money and upgrade the bandwidth.

This NAS won't boost your speed. It only help you to BT, RS easlly 24/7. And many others function if you interest.

I did try this NAS on TMnut. The speed suck. Not the NAS problem. It is TMNUT. Now running on maxis BB. Full speed running wihout throttle. thumbup.gif
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Any model that you guys can recommend? The NAS is not included w HDD right? Sorry being noob. laugh.gif

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Forget it my friend. save your money and upgrade the bandwidth.

This NAS won't boost your speed. It only help you to BT, RS easlly 24/7. And many others function if you interest. 

I did try this NAS on TMnut. The speed suck. Not the NAS problem. It is TMNUT. Now running on maxis BB. Full speed running wihout throttle. thumbup.gif
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Upgrade bandwidth is always the same. The connection is forever slow and fyi i'm from Labuan. There's no other isp other than TMNut. gggrrrr.. So unfair, WM has a lot of choices! hmmm

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Any pros & cons between DLink DNS-323 & Linksys NMH300?

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Upgrade bandwidth is always the same. The connection is forever slow and fyi i'm from Labuan. There's no other isp other than TMNut. gggrrrr.. So unfair, WM has a lot of choices! hmmm
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Can't do anything my friend till the TMNut improve the speed. Anyway, there is always a choice. Shift over here WM. He.... tongue.gif


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Any pros & cons between DLink DNS-323 & Linksys NMH300?

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Why you look for this two model? nothing special.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 29 2009, 09:33 AM)
Can't do anything my friend till the TMNut improve the speed. Anyway, there is always a choice. Shift over here WM. He.... tongue.gif


Added on November 29, 2009, 9:45 am
Why you look for this two model? nothing special.
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Thanks Mr. Ozak anyway. I love this place as it's much peaceful and safe than any other places in Malaysia. Cheap imported car, no tax although service is just so so.. But when my line is down i can always call the TM technicians here to ask or complain and they'll come the next morning coz it's just a small place. haha~ Regular visitors to my house.. biggrin.gif

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Is there such model?
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yes.. it will replace ds109j

here is datasheet of ds110j:
http://download.synology.com/download/ds/D...a_Sheet_enu.pdf


Added on November 30, 2009, 2:22 amds109j..
- CPU: 266MHz, 32bit@133, with floating point
- RAM Size: 32 MB

while ds110j..
- CPU: 800MHz, 16bit@DDR800
- RAM Size: 128 MB

ds110j price is same with ds109j

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yes.. it will replace ds109j

here is datasheet of ds110j:
http://download.synology.com/download/ds/D...a_Sheet_enu.pdf


Added on November 30, 2009, 2:22 amds109j..
- CPU: 266MHz, 32bit@133, with floating point
- RAM Size: 32 MB

while ds110j..
- CPU: 800MHz, 16bit@DDR800
- RAM Size: 128 MB

ds110j price is same with ds109j
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Look like my model. But my 1 is slower cpu with esata. DS107+.

I don't no what different if higher cpu. Most of the speed is depend on ISP.
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QUOTE(cwk88 @ Nov 30 2009, 02:53 AM)
yes.. it will replace ds109j

here is datasheet of ds110j:
http://download.synology.com/download/ds/D...a_Sheet_enu.pdf


Added on November 30, 2009, 2:22 amds109j..
- CPU: 266MHz, 32bit@133, with floating point
- RAM Size: 32 MB

while ds110j..
- CPU: 800MHz, 16bit@DDR800
- RAM Size: 128 MB

ds110j price is same with ds109j
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How much is it ?? RM 599 ??
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QUOTE(cwk88 @ Nov 30 2009, 01:53 AM)
yes.. it will replace ds109j

here is datasheet of ds110j:
http://download.synology.com/download/ds/D...a_Sheet_enu.pdf


Added on November 30, 2009, 2:22 amds109j..
- CPU: 266MHz, 32bit@133, with floating point
- RAM Size: 32 MB

while ds110j..
- CPU: 800MHz, 16bit@DDR800
- RAM Size: 128 MB

ds110j price is same with ds109j
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How much is this? Only the enclosure right?
Which shop selling it now?
If the price is cheap during PC Fair, might plan to get it also.
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I don't think the price will be cheaper during PC fair. Unless the drisbuter here have a cheap sale during promotion. But NAS not an important pc component. Would they cheap sale?

Well, with a price range of around rm599 should be good. The model I buy, 2yrs ago cost me almost rm1000 without HDD.
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QUOTE(babylis @ Nov 29 2009, 02:07 AM)
Upgrade bandwidth is always the same. The connection is forever slow and fyi i'm from Labuan. There's no other isp other than TMNut. gggrrrr.. So unfair, WM has a lot of choices! hmmm
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Don't fret. WM may have a lot. But they're all worst than TMNUT. Screamyx is still the best for the purpose of torrenting...best price and performance with no cap like all those wireless ISP. No kidding.

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Is ds110j is the cheapest and simplest product from Synology?
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Is ds110j is the cheapest and simplest product from Synology?
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plan to get it soon for fun.. haha
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Wow... What a coincidence... this thread comes back alive just before the PC fair.. and when I am considering buying a NAS.

I need help. Looking for a NAS server for the following purposes.
i) I'm interested in installing my home with IP/Network cameras (I know it is more expensive than the analog CCTV cameras, but I'm expecting a new kid and since both my wife and I are working, will have to leave baby at home with maid- Wife works 5mins away from home- Need to have the peace of mind doing so.) Looking for a PTZ IP camera with 2-way voice capabilities to complement the NAS.

ii) As a storage for BD movies (which I can back-up and play on my media player) since each BD movie is about 20-40GB in size I better get alot of space - hence considering NAS with 4-bays and loads of disk space. I don't intend to use it for back-up (running it in Raid 0/JBOD)

iii) As a torrent download machine. smile.gif to download nice HD TV programmes..

The planned setup would be to connect the NAS to a router. I know probably wrong forum, but can anyone also suggest a wireless router? I intend to connect the NAS and Media player to the router wired and wireless to my PC/laptop.

Can anyone please give me advise on which brand/model you think will best suit my purpose? I'm considering QNAP, Synology and Thecus, but am open to any other suggestion. Also am open to advise if you think the set-up above won't work well. Fingers crossed there will be a sale for NAS during the PC fair.
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QUOTE(Boat Collector @ Nov 30 2009, 02:25 PM)
Wow... What a coincidence... this thread comes back alive just before the PC fair.. and when I am considering buying a NAS.

I need help. Looking for a NAS server for the following purposes.
i) I'm interested in installing my home with IP/Network cameras (I know it is more expensive than the analog CCTV cameras, but I'm expecting a new kid and since both my wife and I are working, will have to leave baby at home with maid- Wife works 5mins away from home- Need to have the peace of mind doing so.) Looking for a PTZ IP camera with 2-way voice capabilities to complement the NAS.

ii) As a storage for BD movies (which I can back-up and play on my media player) since each BD movie is about 20-40GB in size I better get alot of space - hence considering NAS with 4-bays and loads of disk space. I don't intend to use it for back-up (running it in Raid 0/JBOD)

iii) As a torrent download machine. smile.gif to download nice HD TV programmes..

The planned setup would be to connect the NAS to a router. I know probably wrong forum, but can anyone also suggest a wireless router? I intend to connect the NAS and Media player to the router wired and wireless to my PC/laptop.

Can anyone please give me advise on which brand/model you think will best suit my purpose? I'm considering QNAP, Synology and Thecus, but am open to any other suggestion. Also am open to advise if you think the set-up above won't work well. Fingers crossed there will be a sale for NAS during the PC fair.
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those mentioned are probably the better bet
afterall it depends on your budget as there are various type of 4 bays NAS also


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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 28 2009, 04:47 PM)
I running it without off for 2yrs. It consume only 23w compare your pc 300w. How much your atom pc consume?

Yes, it come with dl RS and MU. But not for free DL. Password and user require. I m free DL. So never try this function before. BT, no problem.
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does the download manager 2.2 allows download queue whereby u can upload few torrents/HTTP/FTP task and let it run simultaneously or one-by-one


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Look like my model. But my 1 is slower cpu with esata. DS107+.

I don't no what different if higher cpu. Most of the speed is depend on ISP.
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higher clock speed contributes to high file transfer speed according to various reviews smile.gif
will be more beneficial if handle multiple tasks at a single time e.g. downloading/HD video streaming/FTPing etc

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any custom built NAS server here? (OpenNas, FreeNAS). Any tips, advantages.

Or is it better to build a dedicated server running linux or freeBSD, compare to NAS only function.
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Why you look for this two model? nothing special.
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does the download manager 2.2 allows download queue whereby u can upload few torrents/HTTP/FTP task and let it run simultaneously or one-by-one
Yes. as many as you want. All this can be setup. I set it to 20 torrent and let it Q run itself. If you have over 20 torrent, others will be Q up till it have empty slot.

QUOTE(driftmeister @ Nov 30 2009, 03:07 PM)
higher clock speed contributes to high file transfer speed according to various reviews 
will be more beneficial if handle multiple tasks at a single time e.g. downloading/HD video streaming/FTPing etc


Let say current 500mhz cpu speed can transfer 100m/s. But can I transfer 200m/s if I using 1G cpu? But the bottle neck of the lan is 100m/s? Need less to say over the internet. rclxub.gif


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Wow... What a coincidence... this thread comes back alive just before the PC fair.. and when I am considering buying a NAS.

I need help. Looking for a NAS server for the following purposes.
i) I'm interested in installing my home with IP/Network cameras (I know it is more expensive than the analog CCTV cameras, but I'm expecting a new kid and since both my wife and I are working, will have to leave baby at home with maid- Wife works 5mins away from home- Need to have the peace of mind doing so.) Looking for a PTZ IP camera with 2-way voice capabilities to complement the NAS.

ii) As a storage for BD movies (which I can back-up and play on my media player) since each BD movie is about 20-40GB in size I better get alot of space - hence considering NAS with 4-bays and loads of disk space. I don't intend to use it for back-up (running it in Raid 0/JBOD)

iii) As a torrent download machine. smile.gif to download nice HD TV programmes..

The planned setup would be to connect the NAS to a router. I know probably wrong forum, but can anyone also suggest a wireless router? I intend to connect the NAS and Media player to the router wired and wireless to my PC/laptop.

Can anyone please give me advise on which brand/model you think will best suit my purpose? I'm considering QNAP, Synology and Thecus, but am open to any other suggestion. Also am open to advise if you think the set-up above won't work well. Fingers crossed there will be a sale for NAS during the PC fair.
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Synology and Qnap is the answer for your solution. Get the one that many people use and alot selling here. Otherwise you have difficult get help.

The NAS can't connect thru wifi. You can connect to wifi router with lan line. My setup is in this way. But no point if you connect wifi since the speed is slow. Somemore BD file. rclxub.gif

You don't need till 4bay if your budget limit. Get two bay with external HDD later.


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any custom built NAS server here? (OpenNas, FreeNAS).  Any tips, advantages. 

Or is it better to build a dedicated server running linux or freeBSD, compare to NAS only function.
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I think before. But the power consumption is killing me. So scrap my project and get the synoloy NAS.


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To download (Direct Link, Torrent & etc)

If there is a link w/ password protected in order to download, will the device support?

Thanks.

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To download (Direct Link, Torrent & etc)

If there is a link w/ password protected in order to download, will the device support?

Thanks.

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If not mistaken RS and MU can DL using password and username. There is others type DL also. Emule, netbiz etc.
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If not mistaken RS and MU can DL using password and username. There is others type DL also. Emule, netbiz etc.
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Ermm. How bout normal download (DLNext)?
The files are protected w password in order to download from the server. Is it work the same as RS & MU?

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Ermm. How bout normal download (DLNext)?
The files are protected w password in order to download from the server. Is it work the same as RS & MU?

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I only know BT. sad.gif
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I think before. But the power consumption is killing me. So scrap my project and get the synoloy NAS.



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beside power consumption, is there any cost advantage by using custom built NAS?  I think there are intel low power platform floating around in the market.
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During my project, I plan to bulit HTPC. Powerfull one. flex.gif Can watch HD, bluray, game, surf and DL BT. All in 1 and put at the hall with LCD tv.

But after calculate the initial cost and running cost, it not worth. And the wear and tear for running 24/7 with such an expensive HTPC. So scrap it. sad.gif

Any advantage you can think? Have a reason for me to start back my project. he....
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 30 2009, 07:22 PM)
Yes. as many as you want. All this can be setup. I set it to 20 torrent and let it Q run itself. If you have over 20 torrent, others will be Q up till it have empty slot. 
Let say current 500mhz cpu speed can transfer 100m/s. But can I transfer 200m/s if I using 1G cpu? But the bottle neck of the lan is 100m/s? Need less to say over the internet.  rclxub.gif
thanks for ur info

the bottleneck is usually the network environment, but processor speed and ram size does contributes too
synology 107/108/109e/j which are using a relatively low end processor clocked at 266mhz, for normal read/write is 20/10mbps
thecus n0204 using 367mhz processor can reach up to 30/15mbps
synology 109/109+ using 1.2ghz can reach up to 50/40mbps
all tested under same network environment using LAN transfer

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Ermm. How bout normal download (DLNext)?
The files are protected w password in order to download from the server. Is it work the same as RS & MU?

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DLnext is using HTTP downloads
most of the current generation NAS supports HTTP/FTP/BT/Emule downloads
so it is suitable for ur need

but dlink dns323's firmware is somewhat buggy
there are cases that the downloaded file gone crashed
so i would suggest getting thecus, synology or QNAP
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Added on November 30, 2009, 7:30 pm
Synology and Qnap is the answer for your solution. Get the one that many people use and alot selling here. Otherwise you have difficult get help.

The NAS  can't connect thru wifi. You can connect to wifi router with lan line. My setup is in this way. But no point if you connect wifi since the speed is slow. Somemore BD file. rclxub.gif

You don't need till 4bay if your budget limit. Get two bay with external HDD later.

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Thanks. you're right. planned to connect the NAS to the router physically. I'll also have to connect my media player physically to the router (I think this would be the fastest connection). The wireless router is so that I can connect to the internet with my PC/Laptop which will be in a different room. NAS/Router/Media player will be in the living room next to the AV Receiver and TV. So a quieter NAS would also be an advantage.

Hmm... yeah, maybe two bay (hot swappable) will do it for me. But the problem is at the moment, I have external hard drives all over the place... A mess of wires at the back.. doh.gif

Any suggestion which model? and does anyone know if there will be promo for NAS during the PC Fair? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Boat Collector @ Dec 1 2009, 10:33 AM)
Thanks. you're right. planned to connect the NAS to the router physically. I'll also have to connect my media player physically to the router (I think this would be the fastest connection). The wireless router is so that I can connect to the internet with my PC/Laptop which will be in a different room. NAS/Router/Media player will be in the living room next to the AV Receiver and TV. So a quieter NAS would also be an advantage.

Hmm... yeah, maybe two bay (hot swappable) will do it for me. But the problem is at the moment, I have external hard drives all over the place... A mess of wires at the back.. doh.gif

Any suggestion which model? and does anyone know if there will be promo for NAS during the PC Fair? icon_question.gif
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Pls read back few page here. Denhock have post some usefull NAS connection and streaming with media player solution. Another solution, you can find it at http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1166235 . Which using synology streaming to this player. Search denhock.

I only recomend synology cause I m using it now. You will easlly pick one model from thier website.

Even my media player 2m from the NAS, but I didn't connect each other. I use pc to transfer the media file to the player. Cause most of the time, I need to check, rename, delete and tidy up the media file before store it properlly in the player.
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Does everyone here use their NAS here for Torrents, or for work purposes...? You know the home office thing...
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Does everyone here use their NAS here for Torrents, or for work purposes...? You know the home office thing...
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yoz.. ds110j is here.. available @ czone now.. rm599

here is some shot:
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ds110j is very tempting. But plus the hard disk=Rm800+, kinda costly to me.
That's why think of cheaper option.
How nice if still can find D-Link 313 or Buffalo LinkStation
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yoz.. ds110j is here.. available @ czone now.. rm599

here is some shot:
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Nice u got there, i wonder how much for the 2 bay disk ya....
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vmad.gif How come D-Link is the cheaper price ??
Anyone can explain the difference for this from hardware and features spec ?

and synology got:
SYNOLOGY DS-209J
SYNOLOGY DS-209
SYNOLOGY DS-209 - II

Well......
Start to confuse me....

But if I calculate the price, seems now Synology has too far price than WD MyWorld II ( with 2 disk 2TB costly rough 1300 ).
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Added on December 2, 2009, 8:39 amWhoah... I cant see DS209J what is the datasheet ?
Not in the comparison table at all!
http://www.synology.com/enu/products/DS209j/spec.php

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vmad.gif How come D-Link is the cheaper price ??
Anyone can explain the difference for this from hardware and features spec ?

and synology got:
SYNOLOGY DS-209J
SYNOLOGY DS-209
SYNOLOGY DS-209 - II

Well......
Start to confuse me....

But if I calculate the price, seems now Synology has too far price than WD MyWorld II ( with 2 disk 2TB costly rough 1300 ).
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It is always the spec. Compare the spec and what you want to use the NAS for. If just for storage, synology is over price for you and not worth to buy. Get the china NAS. More cheaper.

Just my opinion. If just storage, NAS is not worth it. The running cost and wear and tear of the HDD. I rather just get an ext HDD and carry around. tongue.gif


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yoz.. ds110j is here.. available @ czone now.. rm599

here is some shot:
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Nice NAS there. How is the performance under real world? BT good?

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China NAS cheaper? Mind to give some examples?
On of the cheapest alternative I can find is using NAS adapter. http://www.addonics.com/products/nas/nasu2.asp
But I am not sure how well it performs.
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China NAS cheaper?  Mind to give some examples?
Only rm199. Don't no what brand. More function than dlink. You want? I ve one to sell. he.....

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So, nobody got any new NAS during the last PC Fair?
I found out that A.C.Ryan PlayOn! HD also can be use as NAS?
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So, nobody got any new NAS during the last PC Fair?
I found out that A.C.Ryan PlayOn! HD also can be use as NAS?
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it cant be used as a NAS but it can play the movie that is store in a NAS
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So, nobody got any new NAS during the last PC Fair?
I found out that A.C.Ryan PlayOn! HD also can be use as NAS?
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Nothing offer at pc fair.

Planing to buy synology 2bay from ebay. See this month got offer or not.
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it cant be used as a NAS but it can play the movie that is store in a NAS
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Some of the owner claim that it has NAS capability.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1106233/+1840
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Synology is made in which country ? China ??

Where can i find this product in Penang ?? If in Lowyat Plaza , which shop got sell it ??
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Where can i find this product in Penang ?? If in Lowyat Plaza , which shop got sell it ??
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Where can i find this product in Penang ?? If in Lowyat Plaza , which shop got sell it ??
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You can get from ebay also.
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No more NAS discussion? Seems like current NAS product still selling at high price.
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No more NAS discussion? Seems like current NAS product still selling at high price.
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I m going to get one synology ds409+. Maybe will mod it to run faster. hmm.gif
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Anyone would like to share their experience using Buffalo NAS LinkStation Live;saw IT Hypermart offer 1GB version for around $700.Plan to get it soon smile.gif
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NAS Throughput Comparison Chart.

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Anyone would like to share their experience using Buffalo NAS LinkStation Live;saw IT Hypermart offer 1GB version for around $700.Plan to get it soon smile.gif
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Typo I guess, cannot be 1GB.
RM700?
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Guys,
How you guys think about Synology DS110J ?

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Not bad. Check back previous post. There is 1 forumer have this model.

What is your purpose to buy this model?
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Thecus N0204 miniNAS was selling at the price RM399, ALLIT.
After I read some review, seems like not a good idea to use a 2.5" hard disk for NAS?
Since 2.5" is more expensive and mostly at 5400rpm.

http://www.thecus.com/products_over.php?ci...anguage=english
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Guys,
How you guys think about Synology DS110J ?

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Three Pointers:


- The interface is damn good. Full of features and functions, doesnt lag out nor is hard to use. very good.
- Easy to install and run,
- No kick for speed. Maybe because im expecting much more then what was given.
However, I was getting 35mb/sec reads, and 25mb/sec writes. but to me, its not enough. That is using direct crosscable to pc




btw, please dont even consider buffalo NAS. its bullocks, transfer is like 5mb/s?. so much for buffalo sleep.gif
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Just bought Thecus N2200.

Found out two cons.
1. Cannot download HTTP w password protected.
2. Cannot access to this NAS outside internet.

Wonder Synology DS110J can o not?

If yes, I wont hesitate to sell off Thecus N2200 to buy DS110J. hmm.gif

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Just bought Thecus N2200.

Found out two cons.
1. Cannot download HTTP w password protected.
2. Cannot access to this NAS outside internet.

Wonder Synology DS110J can o not?

If yes, I wont hesitate to sell off Thecus N2200 to buy DS110J. hmm.gif

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What do you mean "Cannot access to this NAS outside internet"? You cannot access the nas using direct network cable?

You can try the synology sample and the function by using it before decide to buy. The link is here --> http://midis.serveftp.net:5000/


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Thecus N0204 miniNAS was selling at the price RM399, ALLIT.
After I read some review, seems like not a good idea to use a 2.5" hard disk for NAS?
Since 2.5" is more expensive and mostly at 5400rpm.

http://www.thecus.com/products_over.php?ci...anguage=english
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Cause the NAS is running 7/11. With a 2.5' HDD, it cannot last long compare 3.5'. With higher price, lower speed and lifetime, it is not cost effective.

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What do you mean "Cannot access to this NAS outside internet"? You cannot access the nas using direct network cable?

You can try the synology sample and the function by using it before decide to buy. The link is here --> http://midis.serveftp.net:5000/

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The link is unreachable bro. sad.gif
Btw, Thecus N2200 already refunded.

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The link is unreachable bro. sad.gif
Btw, Thecus N2200 already refunded.

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Maybe your setup up problem?

What you mean refund? You not sastified and the shop refund back to you? Wah! drool.gif Malaysia shop got such good service? Recommend me.
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Hehe. Got a good fren inside. He helped. smile.gif
Ermm. Later will go and get if got free time. rclxm9.gif

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Added on February 7, 2010, 10:26 pmCan access already but keep timeout.
Guess my company line block port 5000. hmm.gif

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Bought Synology DS110J.
Really nice and smooth. Better than Thecus x1000 times. wub.gif wub.gif

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Bought Synology DS110J.
Really nice and smooth. Better than Thecus x1000 times.  wub.gif  wub.gif

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Why in the first place you go and buy the tikus? Ain't here forumer told you synology have many happy user?
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I bought tikus as my fren working there. His place no carry Synology product.
I have to go Lowyat to get Synology which is far from my house.

But really satisfied. A lot of functions. thumbup.gif

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Anyone see or try this before?
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What so special about this? The function like normal.
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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Feb 8 2010, 07:55 PM)
I bought tikus as my fren working there. His place no carry Synology product.
I have to go Lowyat to get Synology which is far from my house.

But really satisfied. A lot of functions.  thumbup.gif

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so ur synology can download from HTTP w pasword protected ??
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Which HTTP w password protected? DLNext?

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where can buy NAS on9 now?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 10 2010, 09:44 PM)
What so special about this? The function like normal.
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Design looks cool. I just randomly searching for a NAS below RM500.
I just need for a simple shared storage with my family members.
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QUOTE(Kelv @ Feb 11 2010, 01:31 PM)
Design looks cool. I just randomly searching for a NAS below RM500.
I just need for a simple shared storage with my family members.
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Added on February 15, 2010, 2:07 amSmall NAS anybody?

http://gizmodo.com/5471246/addonics-bite+s...eight-contender

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^^ Addonics NAS adapater? I am not sure is this the one I saw selling at ALLIT RM199.
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http://www.thecus.com/products_over.php?cid=12&pid=178

thecus n2200 good or not ?
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suport HTML/FTP/BT/Emule download
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Brought a Synology DS409+.

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Compare with my another old NAS synology DS107+
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Temporaly use 1 HDD.
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Want to mod the NAS to increase the memory
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But fail to mod the memory. Cause the ram not compactible and the NAS cannot boot up. Got to find another type and brand of memory.
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Now my NAS no more warranty liau. sad.gif
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Wow. Can mod ram want ar?
From the picture, it seems like notebood type memory.

Update us if you success. thumbup.gif

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It use sodimm notebook ram. Not all model can upgrade memory. Certain model only. One of my purpose to brought this model is it can mod the ram.

I cannot find the compactible ram here. So try and error. Still fail to boot up the nas. Got to find the ram outside malaysia.
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How bout DS110J? Any success example?

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The DS110J is solder on board ram. Can't change the ram.

If I not mistaken, those with + at the end number, is removeable ram.
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Aiyaa.. Too bad. smile.gif
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The DS110J is solder on board ram. Can't change the ram.

If I not mistaken, those with + at the end number, is removeable ram.
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Nope. 207+ memory is onboard.
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The DS209+II is using laptop ram

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Mod it bro! But your warranty void. He.....
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After warranty period can mod it
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I found out that my DS409+ are very choosy about ram even the spec is match. It need specific type of RAM model or chipset. Damn difficlt to find. So far kingston (kvr667d2s5/1g) and cosair 1g comfirm not working on my NAS.
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I just bought a DS109j,
But the status keep blinking in yellow.
How can I proceed?


Added on February 28, 2010, 1:01 pmI use a 500Gb WD Blue

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QUOTE(Kelv @ Feb 28 2010, 01:55 PM)
I just bought a DS109j,
But the status keep blinking in yellow.
How can I proceed?


Added on February 28, 2010, 1:01 pmI use a 500Gb WD Blue
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mainly for bt download..
any suggestion? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Feb 28 2010, 02:33 PM)
How much u bought it ? why dun buy the DS110j
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Need time to venture and fully utilize.
Yay, finally got myself a NAS rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bboyspirit @ Feb 28 2010, 04:42 PM)
okie biggrin.gif
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Just follow the crowd. Like what pws and kelv brought.


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Bought a spoilt unit. End up upgrade to D110j instead.
Need time to venture and fully utilize.
Yay, finally got myself a NAS  rclxms.gif
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Why brought a spoil and old model unit. Cause cheaper? hmm.gif

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Just bought myself DS210j. Currently setting 2 X 1TB WD green as basic as my attempt for Raid 1 went crashed. Not sure whats wrong. Anyway, anybody else using the 2 bay?
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I hear some WD HDD got raid problem. Check it out at synology forum.
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Just follow the crowd. Like what pws and kelv brought.
u means the DS109J or DS110J?
wat the difference? and where can i buy it? biggrin.gif
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CZone got it. smile.gif

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CZone got it. smile.gif

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u means the DS109J or DS110J?
wat the difference? and where can i buy it? biggrin.gif
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You can buy it here too in LYN.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 28 2010, 10:08 PM)
Just follow the crowd. Like what pws and kelv brought.


Added on February 28, 2010, 10:13 pm
Why brought a spoil and old model unit. Cause cheaper? hmm.gif
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Didn't know is spoil till went home tested and fail.
DS109j is cheaper, but rarely available.
Nvm, upgraded to DS110j and using it happily smile.gif

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If you can't get the infor on this page, read back few page lah.

You can buy it here too in LYN.
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who selling in LYN?
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QUOTE(Kelv @ Mar 1 2010, 10:42 AM)
Didn't know is spoil till went home tested and fail.
DS109j is cheaper, but rarely available.
Nvm, upgraded to DS110j and using it happily  smile.gif
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DS109j rarely available cause no more pruduction liau and replace by DS110j. Even I brought the DS409+ is going stop too. I quickly grab 1 cause I get it very cheap and new 1 sure price not cheap. Beside this model can mod the ram.


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who selling in LYN?
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Go search at garage sale side.

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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/959863
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If you want Qnap & Synology product, perhaps you can refer to this seller:
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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Feb 10 2010, 11:41 PM)
Yup. Download since I bought this Synology. smile.gif
Which HTTP w password protected? DLNext?

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download from FTP also can right? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(driftmeister @ Mar 1 2010, 02:50 PM)
Yup....
DLnext

download from FTP also can right?  biggrin.gif
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FTP nvr try before. But should be able. thumbup.gif

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FTP no problem at all. I always use FTP to transfer file. Best to instal a FTP program.

Lately I found out that I can transfer and view my file using PDA. Last time cannot.
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FTP no problem at all. I always use FTP to transfer file. Best to instal a FTP program.

Lately I found out that I can transfer and view my file using PDA. Last time cannot.
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So, you manage to sort out the Raid issue?
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How to do it with DLnext ?? Got schedule download in the NAS ?
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How to do it with DLnext ?? Got schedule download in the NAS ?
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Just normal download in Synology's Download Station.
You can do a lot in it. You can schedule when to download when not.

It will download tasks by tasks depeding on your setting on how much jobs running on the same time.

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which NAS/enclosure model (ori/oem) is the cheapest one that can i buy?& this NAS must support http download(rapidshare)
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Anyone use custom build NAS around here?

My 500Gb HD suddenly can't be detected (already send for warranty and hopefully only firmware problem) and probably I will lost all the data. So to avoid any traumatic experiences in the future, I planning to get more than 1 hd and raid them. But I see that 2 bays NAS is expensive and lack of expandability.

I have one unused DQ45CB mobo, 2 x 2Gb ddr2 ram and casing so I think will be better if I build custom NAS from these unused items than buying a proper NAS. I know custom NAS consume more power so what is the best processor suit for this build?


Added on March 5, 2010, 11:43 pmOr the new Atom is the better? But it only support 2 sata.

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QUOTE(guestx @ Mar 4 2010, 03:19 PM)
which NAS/enclosure model (ori/oem) is the cheapest one that can i buy?& this NAS must support http download(rapidshare)
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Anyone use custom build NAS around here?

My 500Gb HD suddenly can't be detected (already send for warranty and hopefully only firmware problem) and probably I will lost all the data. So to avoid any traumatic experiences in the future, I planning to get more than 1 hd and raid them. But I see that 2 bays NAS is expensive and lack of expandability.

I have one unused DQ45CB mobo, 2 x 2Gb ddr2 ram and casing so I think will be better if I build custom NAS from these unused items than buying a proper NAS. I know custom NAS consume more power so what is the best processor suit for this build?


Added on March 5, 2010, 11:43 pmOr the new Atom is the better? But it only support 2 sata.
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Custom NAS should be ok if you are not running 7/11. Otherwise consume power alot. Use a low voltage and low speed proccesor.

You can buy a raid card to slot to expand your raid HDD. I ve a raid card which can raid 4pcs HDD. Using it 9yrs already and still good now.

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Dude, Follow the happy crowd.


Added on March 6, 2010, 11:51 am
Custom NAS should be ok if you are not running 7/11. Otherwise consume power alot. Use a low voltage and low speed proccesor.

You can buy a raid card to slot to expand your raid HDD. I ve a raid card which can raid 4pcs HDD. Using it 9yrs already and still good now.
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What the expected price for the raid card. If like that, probably will opt to atom setup which use minimal power.
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Use atom processor ?? But custom NAS consume more electric then Synology NAS
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What the expected price for the raid card. If like that, probably will opt to atom  setup which use minimal power.
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I m not sure what is the price now. Last time I brought cost me rm200. The famous raid card is rocket raid brand I guess.

Look for old low speed proccessor should be ok too. Cheaper ma. NAS no need high speed proccessor. 90% is sleeping. Unless you use it as pc too.


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Use atom processor ?? But custom NAS consume more electric then Synology NAS
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Yes. it consume more. That is why if you run 24hr, not practical. The 4bay synology NAS is just use 56watt when full load. Compare pc NAS power supply 250watt.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 6 2010, 12:36 PM)
I m not sure what is the price now. Last time I brought cost me rm200. The famous raid card is rocket raid brand I guess.

Look for old low speed proccessor should be ok too. Cheaper ma. NAS no need high speed proccessor. 90% is sleeping. Unless you use it as pc too.


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Yes. it consume more. That is why if you run 24hr, not practical. The 4bay synology NAS is just use 56watt when full load. Compare pc NAS power supply 250watt.
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I think for atom it will not reach 250w but around 100 and below because NAS doesn't use so much energy. But true, proper NAS will be more nergy efficient than custom.
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I think for atom it will not reach 250w but around 100 and below because NAS doesn't use so much energy. But true, proper NAS will be more nergy efficient than custom.
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Then buy synology is more better . When selling it , is more value then the custom NAS .
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Synology quite pricey for me, is there any low-cost NAS?
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Yes. There is alot of cheap NAS. But don't demanding for the function.


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Yeah, Synology also is expensive for me. Most low cost I believe only support 1 HD if I'm not mistaken. I need at least 2 bays and NAS with 2 bays is far more expensive. In the future if I need to add another HD, I have to buy another NAS. So that's why I plan to build custom NAS but the problem is with the energy consumption. Either way, it will cost money. I wonder why the price is so much expensive? rclxub.gif
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A 1 bays NAS also cost RM 599
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Yeah, Synology also is expensive for me. Most low cost I believe only support 1 HD if I'm not mistaken. I need at least 2 bays and NAS with 2 bays is far more expensive. In the future if I need to add another HD, I have to buy another NAS. So that's why I plan to build custom NAS but the problem is with the energy consumption. Either way, it will cost money. I wonder why the price is so much expensive?  rclxub.gif
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How much is your budget to custom build the NAS?
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My budget is around RM500 only. HD not included.
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Add more for DS110J bro. No regret.
I bought "tikut" for 2 bay NAS. It was so disappointed frankly.

I compare these 2 models due to the price is roughly the same.

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My budget is around RM500 only. HD not included.
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If buy used 1 ,maybe below RM 500
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if u use custom NAS for everyday , the electric bill sure more than RM 50
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My budget is around RM500 only. HD not included.
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Well, maybe you can look for others brand. Like dlink or linksys or china brand. Those 2bay NAS cost not more than rm600. Cousume less power and cheap. Just don't ask for more function will do.


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if u use custom NAS for everyday , the electric bill sure more than RM 50
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Electric bill won't cost that much. Max running only rm40/mth. But add up a yrs will cost rm480. Use this rm480 add up can buy a 2bay synology NAS. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Mar 7 2010, 11:24 AM)
if u use custom NAS for everyday , the electric bill sure more than RM 50
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From this review of TS-439 Pro II :

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And for Atom D510 based setup :

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From the review, I see that there is not so much different in power consumption in both build. I also checked that DS110J and DS209 have maximum power consumption of 19W and 25w respectively.

For custom D510 set up, if change the SSD and add 4 HD, the reading must be more than that, probably 10-20w more. But still will be below 60W which can be consider low. Well, I don't have first hand experience, may be I was wrong.


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Electric bill won't cost that much. Max running only rm40/mth. But add up a yrs will cost rm480. Use this rm480 add up can buy a 2bay synology NAS.  hmm.gif
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I also think about that. But it is really can reach Rm40/month? RM40/month for only running a custom build NAS, that really high. With my current pc spec (see my sig), my electric bill increase RM30/month when running 24/7. That's why thinking of reduce the bill with the NAS (with torrent function). But if it really can reach RM40/month, should be stick to my current spec la...

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I also think about that. But it is really can reach Rm40/month? RM40/month for only running a custom build NAS, that really high. With my current pc spec (see my sig), my electric bill increase RM30/month when running 24/7. That's why thinking of reduce the bill with the NAS (with torrent function). But if it really can reach RM40/month, should be stick to my current spec la...
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My calculation is base on running max 250w/hr. Which will come to 6kw/day and 180kw/mth. From TNB tariff, that will cost rm40/mth max. Of course your custom NAS won't run max whole day. Depend your software setup and hardware qty.

And do remember TNB tariff discount is for first 200kw. Your home consume more than that.

Last time, I use laptop to dl torrent 24/hr whole yrs. It consume less power which max only 90w. (base on the adaptor spec). Cheaper alot compare pc.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 7 2010, 01:20 PM)
My calculation is base on running max 250w/hr. Which will come to 6kw/day and 180kw/mth. From TNB tariff, that will cost rm40/mth max. Of course your custom NAS won't run max whole day. Depend your software setup and hardware qty.

And do remember TNB tariff discount is for first 200kw. Your home consume more than that.

Last time, I use laptop to dl torrent 24/hr whole yrs. It consume less power which max only 90w. (base on the adaptor spec). Cheaper alot compare pc.
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After u use the SSD , then u can buy a good NAS
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how about this product; Thecus N0204 miniNAS? any experience?

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how about this product; Thecus N0204 miniNAS? any experience?
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Using 2.5" HDD? Which one last longer and marathon? 2.5 or 3.5HDD? hmm.gif
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Synology DSM 2.3 is released. rclxm9.gifrclxm9.gif

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Synology DSM 2.3 is released. rclxm9.gifrclxm9.gif

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Any new feature?
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So fast released 2.3
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Synology w DSM 2.3 can support download from Rapidshare & Megaupload.

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So fast released 2.3
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My ds110j was patched with 2.3 on the first day I bought, which is around last month.
Rapidshare & Megaupload download is useful if got premium account.
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How much u bought it and where u bought it ??
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You can get it at ebay if you want cheaper. But you need to find a way to get it here for free or lower courier fee.

I get my ds409+ from ebay.
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From oversea ?? or Malaysia ?
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From oversea ?? or Malaysia ?
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Here is RM 3000 already then how to claim the warranty if any problem . Need to pay any kastam tax ?
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My 1 no more warranty. Cause I try mod the NAS once I got it.

Hand carry take back. So no kastam kacau. The shipping cost is free from ebay till reach my hand. I pay the cost NAS only.
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From US. Local nobody sell synology.
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Synology in Malaysia? Try this guy >> denhock
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Mar 16 2010, 05:28 PM)
Synology in Malaysia? Try this guy >> denhock
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Quite nice guy. Willing to help and explain a lot to me.
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Sorry. I mean nobody sell 2nd synology in ebay or else where in malaysia.
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Used Synology? Try LYN
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Oop! forget lyn got sell 2nd synology too. Always looking at ebay.


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Bought my NAS from him also.
Quite nice guy. Willing to help and explain a lot to me.
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My first synology DS107+ NAS brought from him too. That time can't decide qnap or synology. So he recommend synology.

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If i mod the synology NAS casing to other custom casing for better airflow , will warranty void ??
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If i mod the synology NAS casing to other custom casing for better airflow , will warranty void ??
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As long as the void warranty sticker didn't crack. Or no sticker sticking around the casing. Should be no problem.

Your synology very hot?

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^^Very subjective. But the Synology I using now got a really awesome interface.
http://www.synology.com/enu/products/featu...r_interface.php
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I see mostly hardware side are not much different. I think the important is the software and the firmware side. That make the NAS interesting to use.

Synology keep improving the firmware and listen to customer suggest. Every few mth come out a new firmware for upgrade. The good is, even old model still can be upgrade with the latest firmware.
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Managed to get Squid running on Synology DS110J. rclxm9.gifrclxm9.gif

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Managed to get Squid running on Synology DS110J. rclxm9.gifrclxm9.gif

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What is the purpose use for this sotong?
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Caching proxy bro. smile.gif
Nothing to do so play w it. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Anyone using their NAS stream .avi movie to play by PS3?
I only able to play .wmv or .mp4 movie files, but not .avi.
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QUOTE(-pWs- @ May 31 2010, 05:12 PM)
Caching proxy bro. smile.gif
Nothing to do so play w it.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

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1. Bootstrap
http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/I...mmarvell_models

2. Squid
http://www.naschenweng.info/2008/09/19/nas...n-caching-proxy

What model you using?

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Anyone using their NAS stream .avi movie to play by PS3?
I only able to play .wmv or .mp4 movie files, but not .avi.
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Must look at your player. Is it can play most of the .avi file. avi have many codec that some player not support. But mostly is xvid or divx codec.

Or streaming speed?
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Synology programmer more more better than qnap programmer.....

haha


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As long as the programmer listen to what people like us need, he is a good programmer. tongue.gif

My next synology NAS project is to upgrade the HDD and add in a UPS. rclxm9.gif

Few time trip during lightning. Lucky no problem with HDD. sweat.gif Not going to take the risk further. Order an APC UPS which can communicate with the NAS.

Upgrade the current 1pcs HDD 750gb to 4pcs samsung HDD 2TB and raid it. thumbup.gif

All parts arrived. But no time do. sad.gif

My NAS ram upgrade currently postpone. Can't find the ram locally. sad.gif
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whic model you using and wat ram you want?
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whic model you using and wat ram you want?
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How much you bought the APC UPS?
Mind to share?

Wow. You using 409+ for home usage?? shocking.gif notworthy.gif

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APC ups 650VA rm340.

I need a reliable minimum failure to backup my photo, video and important file. And at the same time can access my file easlly anywhere. Torrent too.

So got to choose 409+ instead 209+. 4HDD is more reliable than 2HDD. Beside I get cheaper and almost same price as 209+. thumbup.gif
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Wow. PM me the way to get cheaper. laugh.gifbrows.gif

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APC ups 650VA rm340.

I need a reliable minimum failure to backup my photo, video and important file. And at the same time can access my file easlly anywhere. Torrent too.

So got to choose 409+ instead 209+. 4HDD is more reliable than 2HDD. Beside I get cheaper and almost same price as 209+. thumbup.gif
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4HDD is more reliable than 2HDD? hmm.gif Are you running it on RAID?

I also wan to know how you got it at almost same price as 209+

BTW Interesting NAS project you got there thumbup.gif

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US ebay lah. But courier charge you have to think yourself.

I brought it after christmas last yrs. US ebay have free delivery between their own state. (not all item) So free delivery to my relative in US. Than bought back by my mother. Cheap NAS + free courier charge = cheap cheap NAS. tongue.gif


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4HDD is more reliable than 2HDD?  hmm.gif Are you running it on RAID?

I also wan to know how you got it at almost same price as 209+

BTW Interesting NAS project you got there thumbup.gif
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Yes. I intend to run it on raid5. 1HDD fail, swap it and generate back the data.

2HDD still ok. But I cannot expand the HDD space. Max is only 2TB with raid 1. (depend on HDD size)

With 4HDD, I can get 6TB with raid 5. Can last me 3-4yrs before fill up.

To increase the reliable, I brought the samsung slow 5400rpm HDD. Hope less failure per price ratio.

For your infor, don't get the WD green HDD if you raid it. Either you get the WD raid HDD which 2x more expensive.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 23 2010, 09:28 AM)
US ebay lah. But courier charge you have to think yourself.

I brought it after christmas last yrs. US ebay have free delivery between their own state. (not all item) So free delivery to my relative in US. Than bought back by my mother.  Cheap NAS + free courier charge = cheap cheap NAS.  tongue.gif


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Yes. I intend to run it on raid5. 1HDD fail, swap it and generate back the data. 

2HDD still ok. But I cannot expand the HDD space. Max is only 2TB with raid 1. (depend on HDD size)

With 4HDD, I can get 6TB with raid 5. Can last me 3-4yrs before fill up.

To increase the reliable, I brought the samsung slow 5400rpm HDD. Hope less failure per price ratio.

For your infor, don't get the WD green HDD if you raid it. Either you get the WD raid HDD which 2x more expensive.
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Then is how much ? Below RM 1 K ?
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Then is how much ? Below RM 1 K ?
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RM2k.

Sorry. I see wrong model. I brought the 409+ almost same price as local selling 409 model. Not the 209+. blush.gif

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RM2k.

Sorry. I see wrong model. I brought the 409+ almost same price as local selling 409 model. Not the 209+. blush.gif
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Never mind, I'm almost convince. Just wan to know:-
1. about the 409+, is able to do use apps to direct download from sites like rapidshare, hotfile and megaupload?
2. With 4HDD, I can get 6TB with raid 5, hmm.gif That means all must be 1.5TB identical model and make, is that correct?
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Never mind, I'm almost convince. Just wan to know:-
1. about the 409+, is able to do use apps to direct download from sites like rapidshare, hotfile and megaupload?
2. With 4HDD, I can get 6TB with raid 5, hmm.gif  That means all must be 1.5TB identical model and make, is that correct?
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1) All synology model can do all this DL. Not just 409+. The firmware is same for all the model. Just some function enable and disable for certain model. But I don't have experience using rapishare and others direct DL. I m using torrent.

2) All HDD must be same size. In my case is 2TB HDD x 4pcs in raid 5= 6TB + 1 HDD for fault tolerance. (Actual usable size is 5.44TB) Not neccessary same model and brand. But advise make it same. You can mix HDD size and use "synology std raid" to raid it. This advantage is for you to replace the HDD 1 by 1 without hurt your wallet. And still can max out the HDD size.



* Yesterday start upgrade my 409+ to 4 HDD, format to raid 5 and connect to new APC UPS. Still formating till now. Already more than 14hr. Damn slow. yawn.gif UPS running find which show correct ups model and remain 1875sec. Or 30min backup time.

Now don't no how to migrate the data to new HDD. hmm.gif
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Let me add on. These below will work. Tested.

Bittorrent
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Hotfile (Need to edit on the download link)
DLNext (Lowyat)

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Pws,

All the direct dl require buy the account? Or using free user to dl?
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Premium account bro. smile.gif

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Premium account bro. smile.gif

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Can use downloading manager like mipony, Internet Download Manager or other such apps?

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Last Wednesday went to Low Yat Plaza....looking for Seagate Black Armor NAS440 for my office use. After 2 hours scouting around....I don't see anyone selling this NAS. blush.gif Any idea where to get it and how much??

Any other NAS suggestion instead of this Seagate??I mean with higher speed(both read & write) in a gigabit environment....

My office is just a small one with 5 staffs. However, needs lots of storage for pictures and 3D files. And of course to prepare for the future and torrent also...huhuhu

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QUOTE(kaynofx @ Jun 26 2010, 12:36 AM)
Last Wednesday went to Low Yat Plaza....looking for Seagate Black Armor NAS440 for my office use. After 2 hours scouting around....I don't see anyone selling this NAS. blush.gif  Any idea where to get it and how much??

Any other NAS suggestion instead of this Seagate??I mean with higher speed(both read & write) in a gigabit environment....

My office is just a small one with 5 staffs. However, needs lots of storage for pictures and 3D files. And of course to prepare for the future and torrent also...huhuhu

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What you meant?
You want to integrate those manager inside Synology??

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how much they cost and where to get?
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how much they cost and where to get?
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What you meant?
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QUOTE(kaynofx @ Jun 26 2010, 12:36 AM)
Last Wednesday went to Low Yat Plaza....looking for Seagate Black Armor NAS440 for my office use. After 2 hours scouting around....I don't see anyone selling this NAS. blush.gif  Any idea where to get it and how much??

Any other NAS suggestion instead of this Seagate??I mean with higher speed(both read & write) in a gigabit environment....

My office is just a small one with 5 staffs. However, needs lots of storage for pictures and 3D files. And of course to prepare for the future and torrent also...huhuhu

Thanks in advance..
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You can try synology with 4 or 5 HDD model and expandable. You need to plan carefully in order to safe guard your data and future.

My office is using Synology ds107+ for data keep. My singapore branch office is using synology too.
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How do I then automatically download multiple files, one at a time from sites like rapidshare, hotfile and megaupload without a premium account?
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You need those premium account. Without premium, it will download only html file. smile.gif

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Wah, bro pWs, you very rich. Got all the direct DL premium account.
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No bro. One account at a time.
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Hei, have you notice that the synology have a wifi setup to your wifi modem router? I just found out when install new firmware to my NAS and read the new manual.

You need to stuck a wifi doggle to the NAS usb port and configure it. Your wifi router should be able to detect it.

Now you can place your NAS anywhere without network cable. I wonder how fast the speed will be.
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Hei, have you notice that the synology have a wifi setup to your wifi modem router? I just found out when install new firmware to my NAS and read the new manual.

You need to stuck a wifi doggle to the NAS usb port and configure it. Your wifi router should be able to detect it.

Now you can place your NAS anywhere without network cable. I wonder how fast the speed will be.
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I have 1 ovislink wifi doggle. But did't try to set it up. Cause I think the speed won't be that fast. Unless go for N type.
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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Jun 26 2010, 11:11 PM)
Which brand of Wifi Adapter should get ?
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The wireless dongles that have been tested on the Synology Product are listed as follows:
Brand Model
AboCom WU-5204
AirLink101 AWLL6090
Asus USB-N13
Belkin F5D8053 v3
ConnectGear WU260N
D-Link DWA-140
DrayTek Vigor N61
EDIMAX EW-7711UAn
EDIMAX EW-7711UMn v3.0
EDIMAX EW-7711USn
EDIMAX EW-7717Un
SMC WUSBS-N3
Sparklan WUBR-501
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BTW, please upg to the latestfirmware.


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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 25 2010, 12:21 PM)
1) All synology model can do all this DL. Not just 409+. The firmware is same for all the model. Just some function enable and disable for certain model. But I don't have experience using rapishare and others direct DL. I m using torrent.

2) All HDD must be same size. In my case is 2TB HDD x 4pcs in raid 5= 6TB + 1 HDD for fault tolerance. (Actual usable size is 5.44TB) Not neccessary same model and brand. But advise make it same. You can mix HDD size and use "synology std raid" to raid it. This advantage is for you to replace the HDD 1 by 1 without hurt your wallet. And still can max out the HDD size.
* Yesterday start upgrade my 409+ to 4 HDD, format to raid 5 and connect to new APC UPS. Still formating till now. Already more than 14hr. Damn slow. yawn.gif  UPS running find which show correct ups model and remain 1875sec. Or 30min backup time.

Now don't no how to migrate the data to new HDD. hmm.gif
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if you are looking at how to migrate your synology NAS data from old to new, you can PM me or call our support centre 03-2143 1823 or email to sales@midispecialist.com , I will call you personally.

BTW, this is free service for synology NAS user.


Added on June 28, 2010, 2:08 am
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Sorry. I mean nobody sell 2nd synology in ebay or else where in malaysia.
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If i mod the synology NAS casing to other custom casing for better airflow , will warranty void ??
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I see mostly hardware side are not much different. I think the important is the software and the firmware side. That make the NAS interesting to use.

Synology keep improving the firmware and listen to customer suggest. Every few mth come out a new firmware for upgrade. The good is, even old model still can be upgrade with the latest firmware.
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in fact, synology will release major firmware upg : march and Sept every year and minor firmware upg from time to time.

For example, until today, they still release firmware for year 2007 NAS product , model lide DSx07 series.

which I think is good for money.....

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if you are looking at how to migrate your synology NAS data from old to new, you can PM me or call our support centre 03-2143 1823 or email to sales@midispecialist.com , I will call you personally.

BTW, this is free service for synology NAS user.
Thanks for your help.

I manage to transfer the file from old HDD to the new HDD by try and error. Lucky the file is still there inside the old HDD when make some mistake. Take me alot of time and till now still haven't finish migrate.

I don't have experience in linux with their file type like EXT2/EXT3. So panic me when I can't see my HDD in win xp while connect as externer. sweat.gif After learn some linux EXT format and dl the software to read it, manage to takeout the file and transfer to new HDD. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 28 2010, 09:12 AM)
Thanks for your help.

I manage to transfer the file from old HDD to the new HDD by try and error. Lucky the file is still there inside the old HDD when make some mistake. Take me alot of time and till now still haven't finish migrate.

I don't have experience in linux with their file type like EXT2/EXT3. So panic me when I can't see my HDD in win xp while connect as externer. sweat.gif  After learn some linux EXT format and dl the software to read it, manage to takeout the file and transfer to new HDD. sweat.gif
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if you just want to transfer file.... u can use the File Station function in Synology. this is a web page interface, u can drag and drop your file from local HDD to NAS or from folder A ( in NAS) to folder B ( in NAS) , this is same your time.


due to the limitation of browser , it only allow to upload file size less than 4GB (single file) for Mozilla and 2GB ( single file) for IE.


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QUOTE(denhock @ Jun 28 2010, 10:13 AM)
if you just want to transfer file.... u can use the File Station function in Synology.  this is a web page interface, u can drag and drop your file from local HDD to NAS or from folder A ( in NAS) to folder B ( in NAS) , this is same your time.
due to the limitation of browser  , it only allow to upload file size less than 4GB (single file) for Mozilla and 2GB ( single file) for IE.
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But I feel the web base file transfering speed is a bit slow beside the file size limitation. I use FTP client to transfer which more faster speed. Or map the drive and use explore drag and drop. Which too is fast compare web page interface. I use web page transfering when I far away from the NAS.

My migrating is less problem and faster if I have an extra HDD to transfer all the file from the old HDD. Which I can transfer back to synology NAS after upgrading. But I don't have an extra HDD. The synology file system is ext3 raid type which make me difficult a bit since I only know windows base.

To transfer back the file, I need to convert the partition into image file and store into the NAS. The image file is over 700GB which I don't have an extra HDD to store it. That converting and transfering take full 24hr. Than next I need to mount the image disk and open the file to extract it out one by one into the NAS. That is why it take so long time. yawn.gif
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.. due to the limitation of browser  , it only allow to upload file size less than 4GB (single file) for Mozilla and 2GB ( single file) for IE.
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blink.gif err...then how as most of the files are more than 4GB?

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than need to use samba /ftp.... to transfer the big file ( > 4GB) ........
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Hi denhock. WTA,

I am facing some problem with network backup over internet with synology NAS. It seems like not working with both backup to synology server or resync compactible server. Here is my setup.

DS107+ in office and DS409+ at home. Both Network backup enable and showing NetBackup folder in the directory. When doing configuration in the backup system till the end, it will show this error nessage:

"Connection failed. Please check your network setting" or " Failed to connected to the destination server"

I ve tried with few server or ip data enter:

http://servername.xxx.xxx
http://servername.xxx.xxx:5000
servername.xxx.xxx
servername.xxx.xxx:5000
ftp://servername.xxx.xxx
servername.xxx.xxx:5000
http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:5000
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:5000

All fail to connect. rclxub.gif Can you guide me what is the correct way to configure the network backup? smile.gif

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 30 2010, 02:53 PM)
Hi denhock. WTA,

I am facing some problem with network backup over internet with synology NAS. It seems like not working with both backup to synology server or resync compactible server. Here is my setup.

DS107+ in office and DS409+ at home. Both Network backup enable and showing NetBackup folder in the directory. When doing configuration in the backup system till the end, it will show this error nessage:

"Connection failed. Please check your network setting" or " Failed to connected to the destination server"

I ve tried with few server or ip data enter:

http://servername.xxx.xxx
http://servername.xxx.xxx:5000
servername.xxx.xxx
servername.xxx.xxx:5000
ftp://servername.xxx.xxx
servername.xxx.xxx:5000
http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:5000
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:5000

All fail to connect. rclxub.gif  Can you guide me what is the correct way to configure the network backup? smile.gif
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did u open port 837 at your router

Note: for off-site backups, the following ports need to be opened on the remote DiskStation ( both party)

* 873 = Data Channel
* 22 = Encryption Channel, if used

about the server name or IP: you can

1) servername.xxx.xxx
or
2) WAN IP for the remote DS.

u can try to use the WAN IP of the remote DS first and if work than u try the servername.xxx.xxx


BTW, did u set any rule in Firewall ( in the DS) ? if yes, please enable the access right for the network backup as well as remote backup.


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did u open port 837 at your router

Note: for off-site backups, the following ports need to be opened  on the remote DiskStation ( both party)

    * 873 = Data Channel
    * 22 = Encryption Channel, if used

about the server name or IP: you can

1) servername.xxx.xxx
or
2) WAN IP for the remote DS.

u can try to use the WAN IP of the remote DS first and if work than u try the servername.xxx.xxx
BTW, did u set any rule in Firewall ( in the DS) ? if yes, please enable the access right for the network backup as well as remote backup.
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Thanks for the feedback. smile.gif

I was able to backup the file to my home NAS from office. But haven't try it out from home to office. It seems like the problem is from the open port 873 or 22 in the router. Both router party have been port open with this 2 no. No error so far.

Damn why the manual didn't mention about this port open. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 7 2010, 09:55 AM)
Thanks for the feedback. smile.gif

I was able to backup the file to my home NAS from office. But haven't try it out from home to office. It seems like the problem is from the open port 873 or 22 in the router. Both router party have been port open with this 2 no. No error so far.

Damn why the manual didn't mention about this port open. rclxub.gif
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actually, synology keep on add in few feature and all this info will not be able to update on time as well as all the info put into the user manual,

is u like to know more, please visit SynologyWiki... which contain more info about synology product


Welcome to SynologyWiki link.....

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any sifu try XTREAMER NAS E-TRAYZ II 2-BAYS?
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Maybe this person can help you http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1199544
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you should visit the official forum, alot of information there
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Training on Saturday 31st July 2010 @ Viewnet Lounge


We welcome owners of Synology NAS servers to join us at our “Get to Know Your Synology” training session coming weekend. Training will be conducted by experienced IT Consultant, Bryan Ng who has advised notable corporate clients within Malaysia and Internationally as well.

Learn how to fully utilise your Synology while having fun!

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more info: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/959863
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Just acquired an Acer Aspire Easystore H342 for home server purposes.

Would welcome any user of similar spec equipment for feedback.

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Just acquired an Acer Aspire Easystore H342 for home server purposes.

Would welcome any user of similar spec equipment for feedback. 

Thanks  smile.gif
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Well. I got it for RM1250 cash from the IT Mall PJ. The software is the WHS, version unknown, but in the beginning of booting up the software thru remote console, it goes online to update all the WHS files with the latest update files.

From what I know, WHS has not received new version for quite some time. Its still based on 2003 Window Server Software.
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seems like most ppl here are getting Synology... How about Qnap ??

I'm planning to built a home networking+storage...
comparing between Synology 710+ or QNAP 239 Pro II or QNAP 259 Pro

Brother & Sister of NAS...please help me
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Jul 21 2010, 06:02 PM)
Well.  I got it for RM1250 cash from the IT Mall PJ.  The software is the WHS, version unknown, but in the beginning of booting up the software thru remote console, it goes online to update all the WHS files with the latest update files.

From what I know, WHS has not received new version for quite some time. Its still based on 2003 Window Server Software.
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Been waiting for a long time for somebody to give a review on this product's performance. Possible? With some specs and photos? laugh.gif


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seems like most ppl here are getting Synology... How about Qnap ??

I'm planning to built a home networking+storage...
comparing between Synology 710+ or QNAP 239 Pro II or QNAP 259 Pro

Brother & Sister of NAS...please help me
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Actually I've been advice by other between the 2 brands, Synology is better. Was told it has better software - user friendly and update often, and have better built quality. I wonder how true?



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Darknite, right now I don't have any internet connection to my house as yet. I may write better review once the Acer has gone through some decent test.

So far, it works well. I plug it in, connect it to the switch with initial detection problem, but it works well after that. The detection problem may well be due to the non-configurable Dlink gigabit switch rather than the Server itself.

Installed the Window Home Server (Whs) console software on my laptop with no issue. Once it detect the server, warning came asking me to update and initialise the antivirus (McAfee) that comes with the Whs. Other than that it does what it does as described.

There are lots of info about controlling Whs on the web, one can search for WHS addin from google to know more. For me, since I haven't been able to hook to the internet, I haven't done much on it. I plan to install Utorrent in it as a torrent server in due course.

Added in another 2TB Samsung hardisk (cost RM375) from IT Mall Sec 14 PJ. Then booted it up, the server can recognise the disk with no problem. I have to manual right click the disk to be used as home server storage space in order to use it. So far so good.

With the gigabit switch, i can stream BD ISO to a distant HTPC with no problem from the server.

To read more of this product, currently there are not many website that review the items. But you may search for older siblings - Acer Aspire Easystore H340 Review, which is very similar to the new H342 except with faster duo chip. Function wise its exactly the same.
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peter32 - Many thanks for the update. Looking forward to more info about Acer Aspire Easystore and WHs. Possible to run raid 5 on it?
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Darknite, this unit cannot run software or hardware based Raid. But the Whs does comes with duplicator option to duplicate the data. So when I add in the 2TB disk, when I right click to configure the disk, I will have the option of turning it into storage disk (hence increase my default space from 1TB to 3TB), or to turn into duplication disk, which will back up my existing 1TB of data instead.


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Well.  I got it for RM1250 cash from the IT Mall PJ.  The software is the WHS, version unknown, but in the beginning of booting up the software thru remote console, it goes online to update all the WHS files with the latest update files.

From what I know, WHS has not received new version for quite some time. Its still based on 2003 Window Server Software.
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Mitodna, yes it upgrade itself to power pack.
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I plan to get a WD sharespace 4TB this PC fair. Anyone know WD got any promotion this pc fair?
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I plan to get a WD sharespace 4TB this PC fair. Anyone know WD got any promotion this pc fair?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 30 2010, 01:05 PM)
Ain't it expensive with that not much feature?
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WD comes with 4TB which costs around 800 in total. This means the 4 bay raid 5 capable enclosure only costs 1000.

I can't find any 4 bay raid 5 enclosure on market that costs 1k only.

For the software part, I use openVPN to connect to servers in US/cyberjaya/etc to do my bt download and I going setup an atom PC to handle that.
I am also going to setup at DC++ hub to serve file within Malaysia uniFi users.
If someone can tell me an enclosure that has a build in openVPN function with customizability of a PC, I can consider other brands.

Got online review says WD sharespace is SLOW. Maybe I should build an ATOM PC with a RAID controller instead.

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WD comes with 4TB which costs around 800 in total. This means the 4 bay raid 5 capable enclosure only costs 1000.

I can't find any 4 bay raid 5 enclosure on market that costs 1k only.

For the software part, I use openVPN to connect to servers in US/cyberjaya/etc to do my bt download and I going setup an atom PC to handle that.
I am also going to setup at DC++ hub to serve file within Malaysia uniFi users.
If someone can tell me an enclosure that has a build in openVPN function with customizability of a PC, I can consider other brands.

Got online review says WD sharespace is SLOW. Maybe I should build an ATOM PC with a RAID controller instead.
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Did I read the wrong thing? The WD website state US639.99 = RM2048. hmm.gif

Why don't just get 1 that can handle all which don't need a pc?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 31 2010, 02:41 PM)
Did I read the wrong thing? The WD website state US639.99 = RM2048. hmm.gif

Why don't just get 1 that can handle all which don't need a pc?
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Compuzone price state RM1800.
Until now I still don know which enclosure can handle bt/download over openVPN without a PC.
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Compuzone price state RM1800.
Until now I still don know which enclosure can handle bt/download over openVPN without a PC.
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What is openVPN? What you need to configure? Can it be configure in router?

Qnap or synology have this feature?
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some info to share:

Install OpenVPN on QNAP

http://wiki.nas-portal.org/index.php/Install_OpenVPN_on_QNAPhttp://wiki.nas-portal.org/index.php/Install_OpenVPN_on_QNAP


install OpenVPN on Synology:

Synology DS207+ usage series 7 - Setup OpenVPN server (Routed mode) on DS207+ with dual authentication and Windows/DS101j/TomatoVPN OpenVPN Client

SEtup OpenVPN on Synology NAS
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hi guys, where can i trade in my etrayz for other brand of nas? wanna try other brand if i wanna sell it how much can i sell it for?
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Just bought a Synology DS408 NAS box with 4x1TB Seagate 7200.11 HDs hooked up in RAID-5. Looking forward to checking out its features such as download suppor, iTunes server, and hibernation.
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Total space is 2.79TB.
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Total space is 2.79TB.
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Thanks.
So, 1 HDD is the redundancy ?
Any 1 of the 4 drive spoil can be replace easily without power off the NAS...

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Thanks.
So, 1 HDD is the redundancy ?
Any 1 of the 4 drive spoil can be replace easily without power off the NAS...
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RAID-5 uses distributed parity. Means if a drive failure occurred, you still need to replace the dead drive and rebuild it. That rebuilding time takes quite some time especially on larger disks.
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RAID-5 uses distributed parity. Means if a drive failure occurred, you still need to replace the dead drive and rebuild it. That rebuilding time takes quite some time especially on larger disks.
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Oh Thanks.
Usually will the rebuilding take more than 30 minutes in a 4 x 1TB HDD setup (RAID-5) ?
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Thanks.
So, 1 HDD is the redundancy ?
Any 1 of the 4 drive spoil can be replace easily without power off the NAS...
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Oh Thanks.
Usually will the rebuilding take more than 30 minutes in a 4 x 1TB HDD setup (RAID-5) ?
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I heard sometime take few day. maybe depend on data inside the HDD.

I using 4x2TB HDD raid5. I wonder take how long to rebuild? hmm.gif

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RAID-5 uses distributed parity. Means if a drive failure occurred, you still need to replace the dead drive and rebuild it. That rebuilding time takes quite some time especially on larger disks.
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Ya, wat is your estimate build up time for 4x2TB HDD raid5?
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Any idea in RAID-5, in the case of hardware failure, what can we do? are we going to lose all hard disk's data? Is there anyway we can move on to newer hardware?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 7 2010, 02:25 PM)
Not sure about that. Anyway, just for safety, power off to change is prefer. It doesn't effect anything.


Added on August 7, 2010, 2:27 pm
I heard sometime take few day. maybe depend on data inside the HDD.

I using 4x2TB HDD raid5. I wonder take how long to rebuild? hmm.gif
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4 x 2TB HDD to do RAID-5.

the time it take will depend which process u take.

there have 2 difference way u can select in synology admin page when u create new volume.

Choose Complete mode or Rapid mode for consistency check.

If you take Rapid mode ,it will take ~ 30 mins to finish the RAID-5 creation.

if you take Complete mode, it may take up to 10 hours to finish the RAID-5 creation.

the difference between this 2 mode is in Complete mode, it will checking your HDD (sector by sector) before start to create your RAID


more info about synology volume creation: http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/H...ogy_RAID_Volume


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Any idea in RAID-5, in the case of hardware failure, what can we do? are we going to lose all hard disk's data? Is there anyway we can move on to newer hardware?
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if you are using synology NAS.


take example : DS410 ( 4 bays NAS) and we set to RAID-5 with 4 x 1TB HDD

if one of the HDD spoil, you can change new HDD (same or bigger size) and go to volume page to repair your volume and you still able to access your data during this process.

if your NAS spoil , you can move to another synology NAS ( same model or higher model ) [ for example, after 3~4 years, this device spoil and you getting new Synology NAS like DS414 ( estimate model for year 2014) ] and installed the new firmware for the new model, it take less than 10 mins, you data will be able to use.

for more info about How to Migrate between Synology NAS Systems, please visit below link.

How_to_Migrate_between_Synology_Systems

please bear in mind, 1 bay only able to migrade to 1 bay NAS. 2 bays can be migrate to 4 or 5 bays Synology NAS




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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 8 2010, 06:39 PM)
4 x 2TB HDD to do RAID-5.

the time it take will depend which process u take.

there have 2 difference way u can select in synology admin page when u create new volume.

Choose Complete mode or Rapid mode for consistency check.

If you take Rapid mode ,it will take ~ 30 mins to finish the RAID-5 creation.

if you take Complete mode, it may take up to 10 hours  to finish the RAID-5 creation.

the difference between this 2 mode is in Complete mode, it will checking your HDD (sector by sector) before start to create your RAID
more info about synology volume creation: http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/H...ogy_RAID_Volume


Added on August 8, 2010, 6:48 pm
if you are using synology NAS.
take example : DS410 ( 4 bays NAS) and we set to RAID-5 with 4 x 1TB HDD

if one of the HDD spoil, you can change new HDD (same or bigger size) and go to volume page to repair your volume and you still able to access your data during this process.

if your NAS spoil , you can move to another synology NAS ( same model or higher model ) [ for example, after 3~4 years, this device spoil and you getting new Synology NAS like DS414 ( estimate model for year 2014) ]  and installed the new firmware for the new model, it take less than 10 mins, you data will be able to use.

for more info about How to Migrate between Synology NAS Systems, please visit below link.

How_to_Migrate_between_Synology_Systems

please bear in mind, 1 bay only able to migrade to 1 bay NAS. 2 bays can be migrate to 4 or 5 bays Synology NAS
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Thanks. Very Info.

I plan to get QNAP TS-410 Turbo NAS.
Do u think it's okay ? or go for Synology DS-411+ instead ?
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Aug 9 2010, 12:58 AM)
Thanks. Very Info.

I plan to get QNAP TS-410 Turbo NAS.
Do u think it's okay ? or go for Synology DS-411+ instead ?
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TS410 is RM 1999 vs DS411+ is RM 2,499.00

this 2 model are difference class.

TS410 is design for soho / home usage [entry level] while Synology DS411+ ( Intel Atom 1.67Ghz DC, 1GB RAM) is design for high performance series.

if you like to compare , than u should compare with DS410j which is similar spec.

TS410 : 800Mhz, 256MB RAM.
DS410j: 800Mhz, 128MB RAM. ( RM 1,350.00) or DS410 , 1.06Ghz, 512MB RAM @ RM 1999.00


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alot of the discussions here focuses on ready build NAS systems... Is there anyone who build their own NAS systems that packs into a small form factor and yet comes below the price of a branded ready build NAS?

For eg, QNAS and Synology 4 drive NAS comes at about 2k - 3k (is it inclusive of the drive?) .

I'm askig this because i'm working on building a low power storage for my house... 6 rooms with gigabit network ready + DNLA streaming... Gonna be packing the NAS up in the attic area where all my cables terminate.
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Aug 10 2010, 04:49 PM)
alot of the discussions here focuses on ready build NAS systems... Is there anyone who build their own NAS systems that packs into a small form factor and yet comes below the price of a branded ready build NAS?

For eg, QNAS and Synology 4 drive NAS comes at about 2k - 3k (is it inclusive of the drive?) .

I'm askig this because i'm working on building a low power storage for my house... 6 rooms with gigabit network ready + DNLA streaming... Gonna be packing the NAS up in the attic area where all my cables terminate.
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yeah, not many here interested on building their own NAS. I also found that ready made nas is too expensive and it also came without hardrive. And also most of ready NAS are using modified linux os and charge us more expensive than a decent laptop with windows on it.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 10 2010, 07:59 PM)
yeah, not many here interested on building their own NAS.  I also found that ready made nas is too expensive and it also came without hardrive.  And also most of ready NAS are using modified linux os and charge us more expensive than a decent laptop with windows on it.
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for synology DS410j only RM 1350 ( without HDD)

the price u pay for synology is 20% for hardware and 80% for software.

they keep on release new firmware + new feature : min 2 major upgrade on march and sept every year.

the next DSM 3.0 will be release soon, the official DSM 3.0 will be release by Sept 2010.

if you are looking for NAS which will still working with new NB ( like u buy new NB in next 3 years: PC /MAC : Windows or OS x ) than with the new firmware upgrade/ release from time to time, this will make sure you NAS still about to communicate with you new NB.

and one more item: it save your electric bill : less than RM 100 per year ( if you turn on 24 hours x 365 days) vs if you use PC which may cause up to RM 1K per year.


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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 9 2010, 09:08 AM)
TS410 is RM 1999 vs DS411+ is RM 2,499.00

this 2 model are difference class.

TS410 is design for soho / home usage [entry level] while Synology DS411+ ( Intel Atom 1.67Ghz DC, 1GB RAM) is design for high performance series.

if you like to compare , than u should compare with DS410j which is similar spec.

TS410 : 800Mhz, 256MB RAM.
DS410j: 800Mhz, 128MB RAM. ( RM 1,350.00) or DS410 , 1.06Ghz, 512MB RAM @ RM 1999.00
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Oh, I thought the Synology DS411+ is cheaper than TS410 (as quoted by supplier)
I just compare the feature on QNAP has more things & connections on it. I didn't compare its processor. I didn't know what's is important to compare.

I just saw a review on QNAP TS410 RAID is using software based, so is slower than hardware based RAID.
How to see is the Synology DS411+ is software or hardware RAID based ?

I'm planning to get one for office use.
My budget can buy Synology DS411+ or QNAP TS410. Or price around it also can.
Please recommend. Thanks.
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Aug 10 2010, 04:49 PM)
alot of the discussions here focuses on ready build NAS systems... Is there anyone who build their own NAS systems that packs into a small form factor and yet comes below the price of a branded ready build NAS?

For eg, QNAS and Synology 4 drive NAS comes at about 2k - 3k (is it inclusive of the drive?) .

I'm askig this because i'm working on building a low power storage for my house... 6 rooms with gigabit network ready + DNLA streaming... Gonna be packing the NAS up in the attic area where all my cables terminate.
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Initially I was also thinking about building my own. I have built up my own HTPC anyway. So I think it shouldn't be that difficult for a NAS. But for me, I got two problems: lack of knowledge on free NAS software, which is mostly linux based, and userfriendliness of the unit.

My need for home server is mostly for media storage, with capacity to duplicate in case of hardware failure.

I opted for Acer H342 mainly due to its small form, its atom based, with only 8"x8" footprint. The fan is near silent out of the box, but the chip temperature can hit 70C ! After tweaking the fan wire which is an easy mod I learned from the net, the fan speed can reach 1800/min which reduce the temperature to 50C, a full 20 degree reduction. 2ndly, this Acer has 4 hot swappable hard disk slots. Its not easy to get a hot swappable drive bays if i were to opt for DIY.

The drawback of this Acer is the software. It uses Window home server first generation. Now they are talking about its upgrade codename Vail, but really not sure the difference as yet. It does not run on Raid either, but it has its built in duplication function, which you can decide which folder needed to duplicate. I therefore dup all the important home photos and raw video, but left the movies as single files to save disk space.

WHS has plenty of addin softwares for further usage too. for instance this Cloudberry Backup System which allow the WHS to have online data backup automatically for further backups in case of hardware failure.

Lastly, for RM1250 per unit with 1 TB of hardisk enclosed, I think the DIY will probably cost only slightly less, not that remarkable difference.

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Oh, I thought the Synology DS411+ is cheaper than TS410 (as quoted by supplier)
I just compare the feature on QNAP has more things & connections on it. I didn't compare its processor. I didn't know what's is important to compare.

I just saw a review on QNAP TS410 RAID is using software based, so is slower than hardware based RAID.
How to see is the Synology DS411+ is software or hardware RAID based ?

I'm planning to get one for office use.
My budget can buy Synology DS411+ or QNAP TS410. Or price around it also can.
Please recommend. Thanks.
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Normally, NAS using software RAID. so until today, synology also using software RAID.

if for office use, Synology DS411+ is better than TS410 in term of the speed and can handle more request.

the similar to Synology DS411+ is QNAP TS-459PRO
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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 11 2010, 09:57 AM)
Normally, NAS using software RAID. so until today, synology also using software RAID.

if for office use, Synology DS411+ is better than TS410 in term of the speed and can handle more request.

the similar to Synology DS411+ is QNAP TS-459PRO
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Thanks. In that case, i think i go for Synology DS411+.

By the way, is there any NAS has USB3.0 now ?

I just went to check the specs for Synology DS411+, is does not has Hot Swappable HDD, but DS1010+ has it.
If no Hot Swappable HDD, in RAID-5, 1 HDD Spoil cannot replace on-the-fly ? How it work RAID-5 if no Hot Swappable HDD ?

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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Aug 11 2010, 11:57 PM)
Thanks. In that case, i think i go for Synology DS411+.

By the way, is there any NAS has USB3.0 now ?

I just went to check the specs for Synology DS411+, is does not has Hot Swappable HDD, but DS1010+ has it.
If no Hot Swappable HDD, in RAID-5, 1 HDD Spoil cannot replace on-the-fly ? How it work RAID-5 if no Hot Swappable HDD ?
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so far USB 3.0 not available for NAS yet... I think this will happen after most of the NB/PC / external casing come with USB 3.0.

as this model is not hot-swapable model, u need to power off the NAS and replace the HDD , power on again.


1. Remove the crashed hard disk (icon with exclamation mark) as indicated in the disk status of the page, and replace it with a new one.
2. Click Manage.
3. Select Repair.
4. Follow the wizard to repair the volume.

to prevent HDD spoil, one of the best way is to use APC UPS 650VA ( RM 3xx) ,

Enabling UPS support can prevent data from being loss when an unexpected power failure occurs

Under the default settings, the system will enter Safe Mode* when the UPS reaches low battery (local UPS), or when the UPS server enters Safe Mode (network UPS). You can specify the amount of time that elapses before system enters Safe Mode after a power failure, but if UPS reaches low battery or the UPS server enters Safe Mode before the time you specified, the system will enter Safe Mode immediately.

Safe Mode*

When entering Safe Mode, the system will first stop all services and unmount all data volumes to prevent data loss, so that when the UPS shuts down, the system will be turned off safely. If the Power Recovery function has been enabled, the system will restart automatically when power is restored. You can go to the "System > Power" page to enable the Power Recovery function.



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any idea where i can get mini itx mobo for those low powered amd or intel proc? Most mini itx only has 2-3 sata ports right? Or am i looking at micro atx if i would like to build my own nas system.

Trying to build a 4 disk system below 2k... the cheaper the better..
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Aug 12 2010, 04:49 PM)
any idea where i can get mini itx mobo for those low powered amd or intel proc? Most mini itx only has 2-3 sata ports right? Or am i looking at micro atx if i would like to build my own nas system.

Trying to build a 4 disk system below 2k... the cheaper the better..
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if u want cheaper... I still have 2 units leave of DS407e ( low spec) , we can offer @ RM 999.00 ( without HDD, come with 1 year limited warranty)

so if you use 4 x 1TB HDD, total cost should be less than 2K. if 2TB , price should over 2K

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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 12 2010, 09:40 AM)
so far USB 3.0 not available for NAS yet... I think this will happen after most of the NB/PC / external casing come with USB 3.0.

as this model is not hot-swapable model, u need to power off the NAS and replace the HDD , power on again.
  1. Remove the crashed hard disk (icon with exclamation mark) as indicated in the disk status of the page, and replace it with a new one.
  2. Click Manage.
  3. Select Repair.
  4. Follow the wizard to repair the volume.

to prevent HDD spoil, one of the best way is to use APC UPS 650VA ( RM 3xx) ,

Enabling UPS support can prevent data from being loss when an unexpected power failure occurs

Under the default settings, the system will enter Safe Mode* when the UPS reaches low battery (local UPS), or when the UPS server enters Safe Mode (network UPS). You can specify the amount of time that elapses before system enters Safe Mode after a power failure, but if UPS reaches low battery or the UPS server enters Safe Mode before the time you specified, the system will enter Safe Mode immediately.

Safe Mode*

When entering Safe Mode, the system will first stop all services and unmount all data volumes to prevent data loss, so that when the UPS shuts down, the system will be turned off safely. If the Power Recovery function has been enabled, the system will restart automatically when power is restored. You can go to the "System > Power" page to enable the Power Recovery function.
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if i choose the QNAP with Hot-Swap feature, if one drive spoil & I replace it next 2 days, can it Automatically build it back the RAID-5 without click in the management ?
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Aug 14 2010, 12:52 AM)
if i choose the QNAP with Hot-Swap feature, if one drive spoil & I replace it next 2 days, can it Automatically build it back the RAID-5 without click in the management ?
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as per what I know, it will auto but please make sure your new HDD is same size or bigger and same speed or faster speed.

if you slot in old HDD (with data) than you old data will gone. please take note.
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Thanks. In that case, i think i go for Synology DS411+.

By the way, is there any NAS has USB3.0 now ?

I just went to check the specs for Synology DS411+, is does not has Hot Swappable HDD, but DS1010+ has it.
If no Hot Swappable HDD, in RAID-5, 1 HDD Spoil cannot replace on-the-fly ? How it work RAID-5 if no Hot Swappable HDD ?
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Hot swappable and non hotswappable, the HDD still can replace and rebuild.

Is there any advantage beside that?
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Hot swappable and non hotswappable, the HDD still can replace and rebuild.

Is there any advantage beside that?
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yes. with or without HS, HDD still can replace and rebuild.

the main difference is non HS, you need to power off your NAS and replace new HDD. this may take about less than 10 mins ( depends on your skill)

if HS, than u can replace the HDD without power down your NAS.

if you are use for personal, this will be no a big deal but for some company, they want to make sure the NAS must be always on than this will useful for them
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Does anybody knows how to move up or down queues in synology ds110j?

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Does anybody knows how to move up or down queues in synology ds110j?
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so far , still cannot, but today Synology just release DSM 3.0 beta, we are downloading now, will try and update later..

if anyone want to try : Synology DSM 3.0 beta link






below is some info about DSM 3.0 beta

New Features

1. Personalized Web Desktop1 :
* The new DiskStation Manager Desktop is redesigned to provide an easy-to-use and intuitive user interface. The personal Desktop keeps users' applications and functions easily accessible. Besides, it's customizable so that users can change the wallpaper and background color on their own preference.
* Main menu is comprised of control panel and all applications, from which users can freely drag the icons to Desktop, or remove it at a later time. The application icons in main menu are available to users at all times.
* Control panel consolidates all system settings where users can easily modify both software and hardware settings. Home button on the navigation bar provides instant access back to the homepage of control panel.
* Help browser is added to provide direct access to a comprehensive library of all functions’ introduction and instructions. Home button on the navigation bar provides instant access back to the homepage of Help.
* Search field on both task bar and navigation bar on Control Panel helps users to look through applications or Help at the same time.
* Search field is added to task bar on User, Group, and Domain Privileges to assist admin locating the user accounts and group with ease and efficiency.
* Uploading queue on task bar provides quick information of the latest uploading tasks.
* File task monitor allows users to check the progress of all uploading and background tasks.
* System Information and Resource Monitor help users to track the health status of their DiskStations.
* Storage Manager is added to help users easily organize their hard drives and volumes, as well as iSCSI LUN and target.
* Backup and Restore is added to provide centralized management for all your ongoing backup tasks.
* Package Management allows users to quickly enable or disable any service provided by quick install applications packed and tested by Synology.
* Notification window on task bar alerts users when a background task is completed.
* Show Desktop button allow users to minimize all application windows to the task bar, and provides instant access to restore all running applications.
2. Multitasking: Users can run multiple applications simultaneously on Desktop and switch between them instantly. Multitasking support saves users from the constant wait of refreshing the whole webpage. All running applications are placed on the task bar.
3. File Browser:
* File Browser provides easy file navigation on Desktop.
* Drag-and-drop between two different file browsers to copy or move files is now supported and provides easy file management.
* File uploading in the background is supported therefore allows users to switch to another application without interrupting.
* File browser now replaces File Station of the default management UI port. File Station on the customized port remains the same.
4. EXT4 (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j):
* EXT4 file system is now supported to allow volumes with sizes up to 1 Exabyte and files with sizes up to 16 Terabytes.
* The number of subdirectories that a share folder can contain is up to 64,000.
5. Linux Kernel (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j): Linux Kernel is now upgraded to 2.6.32.
6. Windows Access Control List2 (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j):
* Windows Access Control List (ACL) is now supported3 to enhance data security and the compatibility with Windows®. Users can easily set up the Windows ACL privileges on share folders and files on DiskStation in a Windows environment.
* Allow access permissions to be granted or denied for every file object, providing much finer-grained access control and a greater degree of selectivity.
* 13 security attributes are supported to offer a variety of security levels.
7. iSCSI Enhancements:
* LUN mapping support allows multiple LUNs to be mapped to each iSCSI Target.
* iSCSI Target masking support provides access control for each iSCSI initiators. (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j)
* Multiple iSCSI Connections per iSCSI Session (MC/S) support allows iSCSI initiator to use multiple connections for storing data to or fetching data from a Synology DiskStation to prevent single connection failure, it also provides load balancing. (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j)
* SPC-3 PR module is implemented to provide failover clustering support in Microsoft® Windows Server 2008. (not available on 7-series, DS108j, DS109j, and DS209j)
8. Surveillance Station 5:
* 253 more IP camera models from Sanyo, Toshiba, Cisco, AirLive, Messoa, TP-Link, Etrovision, and other brands are now supported. View the complete list here.
* ONVIF and PSIA support provides the compatibility between Surveillance Station 5 and ONVIF and PSIA compliant IP cameras.
* The whole user interface is revamped to provide easy navigation and easy-to-use user experience. Larger viewable area is available in Live View and Timeline.
* 25 channels & 36 channels layout are now added in Live View to offer users who utilize the centralized management on Surveillance Station with more options.
* Non-sync mode in Timeline event player allows users to view events from up to 4 IP cameras simultaneously in a more efficient way.
* Time slicing is now added to Event Player to split the playing event into four equal-length clips to help users quickly glance through the whole event.
* Guard wizard is added to guide users through the process of setting up the patrol and Guard tasks with the IP cameras.
* Event filter is enhanced with new layout to help users locate the events within a timely fashion.
* Log filter is now added to help users quickly spot the log event they are looking for.
9. File Station Enhancements:
* File operations including move, copy, and delete in the background is supported to allow users to continue their work without waiting.
* Upload files with size over 4GB is now supported4.
10. iPhone App (Free download on Apple®App Store):
* DS photo is enhanced and renamed to DS photo+. It allows users to easily browse through photos and videos on Photo Station with the thumbnail slider on the go, including interactive with friends through the photo or video comments in real time. Users can easily find out the location where the photo is taken with the built-in Google map, and they can download and store the pictures onto their iPhone/iPod touch and enjoy the flashbacks anytime anywhere. In addition, users can upload photos and videos from their iPhone/iPod touch straight to Photo Station with DS photo+.
11. Android Phone Applications5 (Free download on Google® Android Market):
* DS cam allows users who own an Android phone to live view IP cameras managed on Surveillance Station, take snapshots, and view recorded events stored on their Surveillance Station whenever network connection is available.
* DS photo+ allows users who own an Android phone to easily browse through photos and videos on Photo Station with the thumbnail slider on the go, including interactive with friends through the photo or video comments in real time. Users can easily find out the location where the photo is taken with the built-in Google map, and they can download and store the pictures onto their Android phones and enjoy the flashbacks anytime anywhere. In addition, users can upload photos and videos from their Android phone straight to Photo Station with DS photo+.
* DS audio allows users who own an Android phone to stream their own music stored on DiskStation on the go. Besides, the Remote control feature provides intuitive interface to browse through Audio Station music tank, it allows users to remote control Audio Station music playing on the attached speakers conveniently.
12. WebDAV: Web-based Distribution Authoring and Versioning is added to allow users to manage and edit files on DiskStation remotely with the support of content metadata and overwrite protection. It helps a disperse group of users around the world work on the same project as a team, which will greatly increase the effectiveness of group collaboration.
13. IPv6 (not available on 7-series, DS108j, and DS109j):
* Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) and IPv4 networks are now both supported.
* IPv6 Tunnel is supported to encapsulate IPv6 packets for delivery across an IPv4 infrastructure.
14. EZ-Internet Router Support6: More than 60 router models from Netgear, Buffalo, TP-Link, DrayTek, and other brands are now supported. View the complete list here.
15. PHP Upgrade: PHP is upgraded to 5.3.2.
16. openSSL Upgrade: openSSL is upgraded to 1.0.0.
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Does anybody knows how to move up or down queues in synology ds110j?
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tested with DSM 3.0... still the same...
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QUOTE(denhock @ Aug 18 2010, 01:29 PM)
tested with DSM 3.0... still the same...
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DSM 3.0 can run on ds110j already? Can it revert to previous 2.3 if I install this new beta version?
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Running DSM3.0 in 110J. Cannot revert to old one.

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QUOTE(Kelv @ Aug 20 2010, 02:27 PM)
DSM 3.0 can run on ds110j already? Can it revert to previous 2.3 if I install this new beta version?
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yes.

Availability

The Synology DSM 3.0 beta is free to download for users who own a DiskStation x07 series and onward. The supported models are:

DS411+, DS1010+, RS810+, RS810RP+, DS410, DS410j, DS710+, DS210+, DS210j, DS110+, DS110j, DS509+, RS409+, RS409RP+, RS409, DS409+, DS409, DS209+II, DS209+, DS209, DS209j, DS109+, DS109, DS109j, DS409slim, RS408, RS408-RP, DS508, DS408, DS108j, RS407, CS407, CS407e, DS207+, DS207, DS107+, DS107, DS107e.

this mean, who own a DiskStation x07 series and onward can use. FYI, X07 series mean this product sold at year 2007 ( mean this product had been in market for about 3 years + to 4 years old)

all Synology NAS firmware upgrade is not downgradeable.


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what is the cheapest price for NAS?
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After solving the my unifi router problem, next step would be upgrade of the NAS.
Now I am looking at these 2 Synology models, DS410 and DS410J.

Besides the faster throughput for DS410, what else I get from DS410 comparing to DS410j for paying extra rm650?
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After solving the my unifi router problem, next step would be upgrade of the NAS.
Now I am looking at these 2 Synology models, DS410 and DS410J.

Besides the faster throughput for DS410, what else I get from DS410 comparing to DS410j for paying extra rm650?
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1) faster speed
2) Max Concurrent Connections(SAMBA, FTP, AFP) : 256 vs 128 for DS410j
3) have eSATA port which can be link with DX510 to have another 5 HDD space
4) faster photo convert speed


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Finally got the DS410. Formating RAID5 with 4 x 1TB hard drives takes so long...
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what is the cheapest price for NAS?
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the cheapest one i think is the dlink 323
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QUOTE(yushin @ Sep 12 2010, 04:27 PM)
Finally got the DS410. Formating RAID5 with 4 x 1TB hard drives takes so long...
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I believe you are using complete mode. this mean Synology DSM will check all the HDD first before it start to build the RAID.

This is slower but will be more safer as this will make sure you HDD is ok and don;t have bad sector.

after this process finish, you can check the system log to see is there all bad sector or not.

if have than u better to change to another HDD.

anyway synology will auto remap the bad sector to another location. so u still can use your HDD but normally we will more prefer to change new HDD.

Form time to time, you also can use the SMART test in this Synology DSM to test your HDD.
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need to ask for advice from all the sifus.

I want to build a NAS for my home, but need some advice on how to start. I currently have a PC with 2 X 1TB HDD which is almost full.

my goal is to build a home media server, that I can stream to my PC wirelessly and is able to torrent independently. and a NAS that I can daisy chain with other NASs for future expansion. Hot swap would be a nice option

2 or 4 bays is fine, but something that is easy to setup. Price wise, something affordable, under RM1000 maybe?

anyone can point me in the right direction? many thanks for the help smile.gif
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QUOTE(g-string @ Sep 15 2010, 01:16 AM)
need to ask for advice from all the sifus.

I want to build a NAS for my home, but need some advice on how to start. I currently have a PC with 2 X 1TB HDD which is almost full.

my goal is to build a home media server, that I can stream to my PC wirelessly and is able to torrent independently. and a NAS that I can daisy chain with other NASs for future expansion. Hot swap would be a nice option

2 or 4 bays is fine, but something that is easy to setup. Price wise, something affordable, under RM1000 maybe?

anyone can point me in the right direction? many thanks for the help smile.gif
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below 1K budget .....

2 bays : Synology DS210j @ RM 850 ( but this unit cannot be link to DX510)
or QNAP TS-210 @ RM 999 or RM 1050 ( with 1TB HDD) or RM 1200 ( with 2TB HDD) ( offer valid while stock last)


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Any nas that can also function as a media centre? Which I can connect to tv to view directly instead of adding another device to it.

Has anyone tried to hack a notebook to hook 2 hdd to it? remove optical drive, and connect it w/ another hdd. Possible?

My need is just simple. A nas to do raid 1 mirroring, and able to watch movie.
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QUOTE(denhock @ Sep 15 2010, 10:05 AM)
below 1K budget .....

2 bays : Synology DS210j @ RM 850 ( but this unit cannot be link to DX510)
or QNAP TS-210 @ RM 999 or RM 1050 ( with 1TB HDD) or RM 1200 ( with 2TB HDD) ( offer valid while stock last)
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thanks....i just checked the specs of the qnap ts-210. does it allow me to daisy chain to other ts-210's for future expansions??
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Buffalo LinkStation Duo at ThunderMatch, RM319?
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QUOTE(g-string @ Sep 16 2010, 12:04 AM)
thanks....i just checked the specs of the qnap ts-210. does it allow me to daisy chain to other ts-210's for future expansions??
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No. this is entry level.. don;t have this feature

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QUOTE(fenture @ Sep 15 2010, 12:48 PM)
Any nas that can also function as a media centre?  Which I can connect to tv to view directly instead of adding another device to it.

Has anyone tried to hack a notebook to hook 2 hdd to it?  remove optical drive, and connect it w/ another hdd.  Possible?

My need is just simple.  A nas to do raid 1 mirroring, and able to watch movie.
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Please read back. They is one brand NAS with player together and can brought from local.

My Dell laptop have this feature which I can swap between optical drive and another HDD. The bay is same.
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I'm having a problem on the DS410j. I set it up with 2 x2TB hdd on it. Insert the disk and install the Synology assistance. Change the ip address, region settings, etc. When the installation starts, it will start applying the network settings and i saw a tick beside it on the progress screen. After this i'm not sure what is the unit doing? rclxub.gif As there is no indication or progress bar whether the unit is it formatting the hard drive or doing something else. doh.gif

At the same time on the progress screen i got this message "Failed to create connection"

The status light of the DS410j keeps on blinking in amber light.

What does it mean?

I need help here?
Normally how long does it takes to format the 2 x 2TB hdd?
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Can you go into the NAS management and check the status?

You can check the synology forum.
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QUOTE(khyron @ Sep 16 2010, 01:40 AM)
I'm having a problem on the DS410j. I set it up with 2 x2TB hdd on it. Insert the disk and install the Synology assistance. Change the ip address, region settings, etc. When the installation starts, it will start applying the network settings and i saw a tick beside it on the progress screen. After this i'm not sure what is the unit doing?  rclxub.gif As there is no indication or progress bar whether the unit is it formatting the hard drive or doing something else.  doh.gif

At the same time on the progress screen i got this message "Failed to create connection" 

The status light of the DS410j keeps on blinking in amber light.

What does it mean?

I need help here?
Normally how long does it takes to format the 2 x 2TB hdd?
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u can get more info:

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/P...gy_DiskStations

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Q...Synology_Server



few Q:
1) are you using new HDD or old HDD?
2) are you using lan cable or wireless?
3) can you log into the admin page?
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QUOTE(denhock @ Sep 16 2010, 11:52 AM)
u can get more info:

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/P...gy_DiskStations

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Q...Synology_Server
few Q:
1) are you using new HDD or old HDD?
2) are you using lan cable or wireless?
3) can you log into the admin page?
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Problem solved already by changin to another ip address. doh.gif
Now its working. laugh.gif


Added on September 16, 2010, 3:35 pmBtw what wireless dongle are compatible with the DS410j? Looking for compatible N network adapter for it. Any recommendation?

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QUOTE(khyron @ Sep 16 2010, 12:52 PM)
Problem solved already by changin to another ip address.  doh.gif
Now its working.  laugh.gif


Added on September 16, 2010, 3:35 pmBtw what wireless dongle are compatible with the DS410j? Looking for compatible N network adapter for it. Any recommendation?
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so far , synology had tested below model ( apply to DS1010+, DS109, DS109+, DS110+, DS110j, DS209, DS209+, DS209+II, DS209j, DS210+, DS210j, DS409, DS409+, DS409slim, DS410, DS410j, DS411+, DS509+, DS710+, RS409, RS409+, RS409RP+, RS810+, RS810RP+ )

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No. this is entry level.. don;t have this feature
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thanks...then which one is able to daisy chain for future expansion? which model can allow future expansion to other NAS units???
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thanks...then which one is able to daisy chain for future expansion? which model can allow future expansion to other NAS units???
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for synology all the model which have eSATA can be link to another Synology DX510 to have another 5 HDD to add to the exiting HDD space, like

DS1010+ with DX510, total can handle up to 10 HDD (20 TB)
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can other than rapidshare can be download by synology ds110j ?

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QUOTE(yushin @ Sep 12 2010, 04:27 PM)
Finally got the DS410. Formating RAID5 with 4 x 1TB hard drives takes so long...
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approximate how long do you take ? i've planned to get these model too, but not yet ?

QUOTE(denhock @ Sep 13 2010, 08:50 AM)
I believe you are using complete mode. this mean Synology DSM will check all the HDD first before it start to build the RAID.

This is slower but will be more safer as this will make sure you HDD is ok and don;t have bad sector.

after this process finish, you can check the system log to see is there all bad sector or not.

if have than u better to change to another HDD.

anyway synology will auto remap the bad sector to another location. so u still can use your HDD but normally we will more prefer to change new HDD.

Form time to time, you also can use the SMART test in this Synology DSM to test your HDD.
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U using this model now ? This model has no hot swap. can u live with it ?
Can these model connect to another NAS to expand the storage space ?


THe NAS will be in the office server,
Is there a device to Backup / Image the whole NAS every months by simply connects a cable to the rear of the NAS, then it run the backup/Image, after an hour or two, I can bring back the Backup NAS Device to another location for safe keeping ?
Is there such device ? or other device can act this purposes ?
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can other than rapidshare can be download by synology ds110j ?
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raphidshare as well as megaupload


Added on October 3, 2010, 11:34 am
QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 3 2010, 10:16 AM)
approximate how long do you take ? i've planned to get these model too, but not yet ?
U using this model now ? This model has no hot swap. can u live with it ?
Can these model connect to another NAS to expand the storage space ?
THe NAS will be in the office server,
Is there a device to Backup / Image the whole NAS every months by simply connects a cable to the rear of the NAS, then it run the backup/Image, after an hour or two, I can bring back the Backup NAS Device to another location for safe keeping ?
Is there such device ? or other device can act this purposes ?
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DS410j is not hot swap model, u just need to power down the unit and replace the HDD. and than power on + repair the RAID. it take about few mins.

DS410j didn't come with eSATA port unless u use DS410 which can be link with DX510 to total have 9 disk ( 9 x 2TB HDD)

you can have few ways to backup your NAS data:

1) backup to another Synology NAS ( local or remote)
2) backup to another rSyn compatible NAS/PC (local or remote)
3) to external HDD ( USB or eSATA [if any])

the total time to take to backup will depends on your DATA size. for example , if you take external USB disk (2.0) it may take about 1 hours + to backup 10GB data.



synology just release the Time BackupBeta Package ( beta version)

Release Notes of Time BackupBeta Package

Version: Time BackupBeta -1.0.34

(2010/09/20)

About This Package

Synology Time Backup package is an add-on for Synology DSM 3.0-1334 or above. After installing this package, you will have a quick and flexible way to backup and restore shared folders on your DiskStation in multiple versions. "Snapshot" technology allows Time Backup to capture the status of data within seconds. You can create back up tasks to back up data into different versions from one volume to another or to an external hard disk. What’s more, you could easily browse and restore the data of any specific time by just a few clicks.

You can easily run, stop, or uninstall the Time Backup package anytime by going to [Main Menu > Package Management] window in Synology DSM 3.0 management UI.

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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 3 2010, 11:26 AM)
raphidshare as well as megaupload


Added on October 3, 2010, 11:34 am
DS410j is not hot swap model, u just need to power down the unit and replace the HDD. and than power on + repair the RAID. it take about few mins.

DS410j didn't come with eSATA port unless u use DS410 which can be link with DX510 to total have 9 disk ( 9 x 2TB  HDD)

you can have few ways to backup your NAS data:

1) backup to another Synology NAS ( local or remote)
2) backup to another rSyn compatible NAS/PC (local or remote)
3) to external HDD ( USB or eSATA [if any])

the total time to take to backup will depends on your DATA  size. for example , if you take external USB disk (2.0) it may take about 1 hours + to backup 10GB data.
synology just release the Time BackupBeta Package ( beta version)

Release Notes of Time BackupBeta Package

Version: Time BackupBeta -1.0.34

(2010/09/20)

About This Package

Synology Time Backup package is an add-on for Synology DSM 3.0-1334 or above. After installing this package, you will have a quick and flexible way to backup and restore shared folders on your DiskStation in multiple versions. "Snapshot" technology allows Time Backup to capture the status of data within seconds. You can create back up tasks to back up data into different versions from one volume to another or to an external hard disk. What’s more, you could easily browse and restore the data of any specific time by just a few clicks.

You can easily run, stop, or uninstall the Time Backup package anytime by going to [Main Menu > Package Management] window in Synology DSM 3.0 management UI.
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Thanks for info.
I probably get DS411+ or DS410.
Most probably I use method to backup NAS is, save to another External HDD using eSATA connection to the NAS.
Approximate how long to backup 1TB of Data from NAS to External HDD using eSATA connection ?

Secondly, how do these Backup NAS take place ? We control from the web admin page inside the NAS ?
Do it provide Sync type function ? I mean 1st Backup sure take very long time, 2nd Backup maybe my NAS updated some new files, then can the synology software inside do the SYnc, so it won't copy ALL OVER again....

Thanks.
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 4 2010, 01:16 AM)
Thanks for info.
I probably get DS411+ or DS410.
Most probably I use method to backup NAS is, save to another External HDD using eSATA connection to the NAS.
Approximate how long to backup 1TB of Data from NAS to External HDD using eSATA connection ?

Secondly, how do these Backup NAS take place ? We control from the web admin page inside the NAS ?
Do it provide Sync type function ? I mean 1st Backup sure take very long time, 2nd Backup maybe my NAS updated some new files, then can the synology software inside do the SYnc, so it won't copy ALL OVER again....

Thanks.
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1TB data use eSATA, eSATA have 3G/s , ~ 6 hours. but this will only for the first backup, the 2nd time backup will be incremental so should be ok.

all backup setting can be done in the admin page ( web page).

it support Rsync function. normally this function is to backup to/from others NAS/PC to Synology NAS.


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more info:
http://www.synology.com/enu/products/featu...ckup_server.php


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BTW, Synology just release new backup software:

Synology Time Backup Beta

Backup process can be time consuming. Sometimes you may also want to keep multiple backup versions just for reference. Synology Time Backup creates backup files in very little time. It also organizes your backup versions for easy management.
Quick Snapshot Backup

Stripped of the long waiting time for your backup to finish, Synology Time Backup significantly compresses the processing time to a fraction of the original time. Backup tasks can be set into schedules for auto processing. With all work processed in the background, you can continue to access and modify files while the system is at work.
Organize Your Backup Versions

It is often not easy to browse and manage backed up files, some people probably don’t know where the files are kept. To eliminate the inconvenience, Synology Time Backup provides a unique user interface for you to easily flip through all versions in sequence. This allows you to track the timeline to a specific version, or flip through versions to find your most recent changes much more quickly.
Instant Data Flashback

When you need to restore a file, you need it fast. Synology Time Backup helps you keep your cool with quick data flashback. Simply find the file in previous versions, and see them restored in a flash.
Optimized Version Control

Keeping multiple backup versions is important. However, knowing which versions to keep and managing them efficiently are crucial. Smart Recycle is the tool for optimized version control. It keeps the hourly backups for the past 24 hours, daily backups for the past month, and weekly backups for everything older than a month. You can also “lock” any versions to prevent it from being deleted by Smart Recycle.
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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 4 2010, 01:24 PM)
1TB data use eSATA, eSATA have 3G/s , ~ 6 hours. but this will only for the first backup, the 2nd time backup will be incremental so should be ok.

all backup setting can be done in the admin page ( web page).

it support Rsync function. normally this function is to backup to/from others NAS/PC to Synology NAS.
user posted image
more info:
http://www.synology.com/enu/products/featu...ckup_server.php
user posted image

BTW, Synology just release new backup software:

Synology Time Backup Beta

Backup process can be time consuming. Sometimes you may also want to keep multiple backup versions just for reference. Synology Time Backup creates backup files in very little time. It also organizes your backup versions for easy management.
Quick Snapshot Backup

Stripped of the long waiting time for your backup to finish, Synology Time Backup significantly compresses the processing time to a fraction of the original time. Backup tasks can be set into schedules for auto processing. With all work processed in the background, you can continue to access and modify files while the system is at work.
Organize Your Backup Versions

It is often not easy to browse and manage backed up files, some people probably don’t know where the files are kept. To eliminate the inconvenience, Synology Time Backup provides a unique user interface for you to easily flip through all versions in sequence. This allows you to track the timeline to a specific version, or flip through versions to find your most recent changes much more quickly.
Instant Data Flashback

When you need to restore a file, you need it fast. Synology Time Backup helps you keep your cool with quick data flashback. Simply find the file in previous versions, and see them restored in a flash.
Optimized Version Control

Keeping multiple backup versions is important. However, knowing which versions to keep and managing them efficiently are crucial. Smart Recycle is the tool for optimized version control. It keeps the hourly backups for the past 24 hours, daily backups for the past month, and weekly backups for everything older than a month. You can also “lock” any versions to prevent it from being deleted by Smart Recycle.
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Thanks. Very Info.
If synology got new software for backup. are we going to install it INTO the NAS itself ? and not like our regualar install into our C:\ , right ?
Do it work that way ?
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 5 2010, 12:54 AM)
Thanks. Very Info.
If synology got new software for backup. are we going to install it INTO the NAS itself ? and not like our regualar install into our C:\ , right ?
Do it work that way ?
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this new Synology Time Backup is only work for Synology NAS.

for PC, they have Synology Data Replicator 3 which u need to be install in to your local PC.


Windows® user: Synology Data Replicator 3

Windows® users can use the Synology Data Replicator 3 to back up desktop data, Outlook®, and Outlook Express® emails to their Synology DiskStation with the flexibility of three backup modes: Immediate, Sync, and Scheduled. Data Replicator 3 is a free application provided for Synology DiskStation users
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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 5 2010, 07:28 AM)
this new Synology Time Backup is only work for Synology NAS.

for PC, they have Synology Data Replicator 3 which u need to be install in to your local PC.
Windows® user: Synology Data Replicator 3

Windows® users can use the Synology Data Replicator 3 to back up desktop data, Outlook®, and Outlook Express® emails to their Synology DiskStation with the flexibility of three backup modes: Immediate, Sync, and Scheduled. Data Replicator 3 is a free application provided for Synology DiskStation users
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Wow, very excited on this features.
other than the files u mentioned it backup, Can we backup selected files we defines one ? blush.gif
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 6 2010, 01:14 AM)
Wow, very excited on this features.
other than the files u mentioned it backup, Can we backup selected files we defines one ? blush.gif
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in DR3, you can backup by folder or just single file ,
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Im new user ds110j...just want ask 1 stupid question blush.gif
Is 100Mb/s connection from pc to nas will slow down files transfer? I find average about 10MB/s..will gigabit switch provide faster file transfer??
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hi denhock.. im running a SME.. do you think synology NAS can be a solution for me to act as a file server? a real server cost so much with all the nonsense licensing, count by users. it is too expansive for a small company like me

i just need a place to keep files and let ppl access over the network
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QUOTE(rioven @ Oct 6 2010, 04:50 PM)
Im new user ds110j...just want ask 1 stupid question  blush.gif
Is 100Mb/s connection from pc to nas will slow down files transfer? I find average about 10MB/s..will gigabit switch provide faster file transfer??
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for 10/100 switch, max for this spec is about 12MB/s so if u take about 10MB/s which is consider good for your connection

if you change to 10/100/1000 gigabit switch, the max will be like 125MB/s but for DS110j the max is less than 40MB/s


Added on October 6, 2010, 10:06 pm
QUOTE(lazo @ Oct 6 2010, 09:31 PM)
hi denhock.. im running a SME.. do you think synology NAS can be a solution for me to act as a file server? a real server cost so much with all the nonsense licensing, count by users. it is too expansive for a small company like me

i just need a place to keep files and let ppl access over the network
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yes. it more than just a file server.

for SME, normally we will suggest you to take :

+ series like

1) DS210+
2) DS710+
3) DS411+
4) DS1010+

which is all more than 100MB/s speed


QNAP NAS @ Intel Embeded Workshop - 4-5 Oct 2010

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okay, for alternative purchase decision for business use.

For 2 Bay NAS from QNAP or Synology.
Which model has better features & performance ?

I remember I need these at least;
- 1 x eSATA
- FTP
- Gigabit
- able to backup files from Desktop (eg. Synology Data Replicator)
- 1 x USB Port
- User Accounts
- RAID 1

Can suggest ?

Thanks.
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For those 2-bay NAS like
Synology DiskStation DS210+
or
QNAP TS-219P

Can we upgrade our HDD easily in the future ?

I mean now using 2 x 2TB HDD in RAID 1.
Next time buy New 2 x 4TB HDD, can we change its drive easily like swapping 1 drive 1st to mirror the 1 Old Drive to 1 New HDD, then swap the other old drive with new drive, then it mirror back. In the end make up both New HDD with my Data remains.
Finally I got 4TB space use.

Can this possible in NAS ?
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 7 2010, 01:49 AM)
okay, for alternative purchase decision for business use.

For 2 Bay NAS from QNAP or Synology.
Which model has better features & performance ?

I remember I need these at least;
- 1 x eSATA
- FTP
- Gigabit
- able to backup files from Desktop (eg. Synology Data Replicator)
- 1 x USB Port
- User Accounts
- RAID 1

Can suggest ?

Thanks.
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u can get :

1) Synology DS210j @ RM 850 ( no HDD)
or

2) QNAP TS210 @ RM 999 ( with 1TB HDD ) , now offer @ RM 950 ( with 1TB HDD x 1 ) or RM 1100 ( with 2 x 1 TB HDD)


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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 7 2010, 02:11 AM)
For those 2-bay NAS like
Synology DiskStation DS210+
or
QNAP TS-219P

Can we upgrade our HDD easily in the future ?

I mean now using 2 x 2TB HDD in RAID 1.
Next time buy New 2 x 4TB HDD, can we change its drive easily like swapping 1 drive 1st to mirror the 1 Old Drive to 1 New HDD, then swap the other old drive with new drive, then it mirror back. In the end make up both New HDD with my Data remains.
Finally I got 4TB space use.

Can this possible in NAS ?
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both can be upg to new HDD in future. no problem


for RAID-1:
u need to replace 1 disk by 1 disk. and wait for it to rebuild one by one. This mean, u change old HDD to new 2TB HDD , wait for it to repair the RAID. once finish, replace the 2nd HDD and than wait for it to repair the RAID. once both settled, than u just need to go to the RAID management to click expand the volume size, it will become full RAID-1 2TB disk.


for NON-raid,
u need to swap to new HDD and copy the data from old disk to new disk. as this disk is stand alone like our PC HDD.







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QUOTE(lazo @ Oct 6 2010, 09:31 PM)
hi denhock.. im running a SME.. do you think synology NAS can be a solution for me to act as a file server? a real server cost so much with all the nonsense licensing, count by users. it is too expansive for a small company like me

i just need a place to keep files and let ppl access over the network
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I was looking for NAS boxes that weren't expensive but yet offered 4 storage bays in a small footprint. I tried to build my own but often either blow the budget or end up with an ugly casing that does not fit the purpose.

After some looking, I came across a simple NAS box from Acer (H342) with 4 storage bays that comes complete with Windows Home Server for file sharing and runs on low powered dual core Intel Atom with 2GB DDR2 memory and 1TB hardisk for RM 1290.

Just recently, I came across the HP Proliant Microserver box that runs on the low powered AMD Athlon II Neo N36L and comes with 160GB hardisk and 1GB DDR3 RAM at RM 916.

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It has 4 storage bays like the H342 but the difference is the HP is has a video out (unlike the H342 which is headless) and supports RAID 0 or RAID 1 from the motherboard chipset via AMD Raidxpert (very similar to Intel Matrix Storage Manager). The downside of this box is that it does not come preinstalled with an OS inside. The HP box supports Windows Server 2008 R2 and Redhat Linux for the budget conscious. Drivers can be downloaded from the HP website.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Oct 7 2010, 03:27 PM)
I was looking for NAS boxes that weren't expensive but yet offered 4 storage bays in a small footprint. I tried to build my own but often either blow the budget or end up with an ugly casing that does not fit the purpose.

After some looking, I came across a simple NAS box from Acer (H342) with 4 storage bays that comes complete with Windows Home Server for file sharing and runs on low powered dual core Intel Atom with 2GB DDR2 memory and 1TB hardisk for RM 1290.

Just recently, I came across the HP Proliant Microserver box that runs on the low powered AMD Athlon II Neo N36L and comes with 160GB hardisk and 1GB DDR3 RAM at RM 916.

user posted image

It has 4 storage bays like the H342 but the difference is the HP is has a video out (unlike the H342 which is headless) and supports RAID 0 or RAID 1 from the motherboard chipset via AMD Raidxpert (very similar to Intel Matrix Storage Manager). The downside of this box is that it does not come preinstalled with an OS inside. The HP box supports Windows Server 2008 R2 and Redhat Linux for the budget conscious. Drivers can be downloaded from the HP website.
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Do you know where can I get this? This is a good invest until the WHS Vail is out. I expect it to be RM300++ so total up in between RM1200 - 1300...
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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 7 2010, 12:41 PM)
u can get  :

1) Synology DS210j @ RM 850 ( no HDD)
or

2) QNAP TS210 @ RM 999 ( with 1TB HDD ) , now offer @ RM 950 ( with 1TB HDD x 1 ) or RM 1100 ( with 2 x 1 TB HDD)


Added on October 7, 2010, 12:46 pm
both can be upg to new HDD in future. no problem
for RAID-1:
u need to replace 1 disk by 1 disk. and wait for it to rebuild one by one. This mean, u change old HDD to new 2TB HDD , wait for it to repair the RAID. once finish, replace the 2nd HDD and than wait for it to repair the RAID. once both settled, than u just need to go to the RAID management to click expand the volume size,  it will become full RAID-1 2TB disk.
for NON-raid,
u need to swap to new HDD and copy the data from old disk to new disk. as this disk is stand alone like our PC HDD.
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Thanks denhock, now i'm relieve on this problem sweat.gif
Otherwise I can't answer to my mgmt.

Mgmt alrd approved. Still Not decide which is get.
QNAP or Synology or 2x2TB HDD or 4x1TB HDD ..... blink.gif
rclxub.gif

Thanks again very much for info... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 7 2010, 04:28 PM)
Thanks denhock, now i'm relieve on this problem  sweat.gif
Otherwise I can't answer to my mgmt.

Mgmt alrd approved. Still Not decide which is get.
QNAP or Synology or 2x2TB HDD or 4x1TB HDD .....  blink.gif
rclxub.gif

Thanks again very much for info...  notworthy.gif
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if your data only have less than 1 TB than 2 x 2TB will be good enough

just need to have min another 50% extra from what u need , it should be enough for next 1 to 2 years. also don;t forget.... HDD is running 24 hours, this mean u may need to replace new HDD after 2 years..... to make you sleep better...
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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 7 2010, 11:35 PM)
if your data only have less than 1 TB than 2 x 2TB will be good enough

just need to have min another 50% extra from what u need , it should be enough for next 1 to 2 years. also don;t forget.... HDD is running 24 hours, this mean u may need to replace new HDD after 2 years..... to make you sleep better...
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Oh, I forgot HDD need change next 2 or 3 years also tongue.gif

About choosing HDD. I saw these 2 HDD.
1) Samsung 5400rpm (64MB)
2) Western Digital BLACK 7200rpm (64MB)

I see Samsung cheaper RM120++, quite much differences also.

Which one good for NAS ?
Will Samsung 5400rpm reduce performance in NAS ?
or
get WD 7200rpm better performance but reduce in Life expectancy ?

Which HDD is suggested for NAS ?

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For Small Business to start using a NAS,
what extra items need to buy/consider ?

This is my list of this to start a NAS in office.
1) NAS unit
2) HDD
3) UPS
4) Extension Cable

Approximate how many VA of UPS needed for NAS System together with
2 x 24-port Switch +
Modem +
Router +
1 x Print Server +
3 InkJet Printer ?

Any other items require to start that I miss ?
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 8 2010, 12:13 AM)
Oh, I forgot HDD need change next 2 or 3 years also tongue.gif

About choosing HDD. I saw these 2 HDD.
1) Samsung 5400rpm (64MB)
2) Western Digital BLACK 7200rpm (64MB)

I see Samsung cheaper RM120++, quite much differences also.

Which one good for NAS ?
Will Samsung 5400rpm reduce performance in NAS ?
or
get WD 7200rpm better performance but reduce in Life expectancy ?

Which HDD is suggested for NAS ?
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from WDwd black info link

WD Black is 5-year limited warranty which mean it can be last loonger than samsung

7200 rpm or 5400 rpm.

when u doing file transfer internally ( this mean use synology / QNAP web file manager ), 7200 rpm is faster than 5400 rpm

about the life expectancy: u can refer back to the samsung / WD official web site.

by teory, 5 years warranty should be better than 3 years warranty.





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ds110j user here. I can just update to Synology DSM 3.0, no need backup my data first right? I am aware this firmware upgrade is not downgradeable.
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QUOTE(Kelv @ Oct 11 2010, 09:55 AM)
ds110j user here. I can just update to Synology DSM 3.0, no need backup my data first right? I am aware this firmware upgrade is not downgradeable.
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if you worry about this, u can use the SMART test to test your HDD. ( this will also check the bad sector on your disk).

and if you have UPS, than u better to connect to this DS110j.

others than that , there is no problem for your to upgrade to DSM 3.0


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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 11 2010, 10:45 AM)
if you worry about this, u can use the SMART test to test your HDD. ( this will also check the bad sector on your disk).

and if you have UPS, than u better to connect to this DS110j.

others than that , there is no problem for your to upgrade to DSM 3.0
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Oh, thanks! So I guess, basically the firmware upgrade will only changes the system files, and hopefully all my files will not be affected.
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QUOTE(Kelv @ Oct 11 2010, 03:21 PM)
Oh, thanks! So I guess, basically the firmware upgrade will only changes the system files, and hopefully all my files will not be affected.
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Basically, it will only upgrade the system file. it will not affect your data.



actually, all the synology NAS will have 3 partition, 1) system 2) swap 3) DATA.

this mean, the firmware will be installed in system partition.

ur data will be in DATA partition.

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Do you know where can I get this? This is a good invest until the WHS Vail is out. I expect it to be RM300++ so total up in between RM1200 - 1300...
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Sorry for the late reply. I first saw it at All IT in the Curve. Got mine at one of the shops in Digital Mall at Section 14.


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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 8 2010, 12:13 AM)
Which HDD is suggested for NAS ?
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If you're looking at a budget, the Samsung F4EG is nice. It's 5400rpm and 32MB cache though. Not 64MB as mentioned.


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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 8 2010, 12:58 AM)
from WDwd black info link

WD Black is 5-year limited warranty which mean it can be last loonger than samsung

7200 rpm or 5400 rpm.

when u doing file transfer internally ( this mean use synology / QNAP web file manager ), 7200 rpm is faster than 5400 rpm

about the life expectancy: u can refer back to the samsung / WD official web site.

by teory, 5 years warranty should be better than 3 years warranty.
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Yes, 7200rpm is always better than 5400rpm but there's always heat / power / longevity vs performance issue. When you factor in that you're limited by the 125 MB/s limit over the Gigabit network, then you're better off with 5400rpm drives for RAID and you can already saturate the line.

Anyway, I think for a mission critical file server for company use, better to buy WD Enterprise line up (i.e. RE4 for 7200 rpm or RE4-GP for 5400 rpm). These drives are built for RAID use. The WD Black drives even though with 5 years warranty are not certified for RAID use because of the absent TLER command. If you plan on using the 2TB WD EARS drives in RAID, becareful. Even QNAP puts a warning.

http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?f=182&t=33196



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Hey! Thanks for your reply! May I know are you using it as NAS? if yes are you using windows or linux as NAS?
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Hey! Thanks for your reply! May I know are you using it as NAS? if yes are you using windows or linux as NAS?
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Yes, I am using it as a NAS. It's on Server 2008 R2.

I was initially looking at the Acer H342 but decided on this because of it's "upgradability".
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I've gotten the same unit with your recommendation!

HP shop @ Digital mall

RM919 inclusive of:
1 x Unit
1 x Internal DVD (Writer?Reader?)
1 x USB Mouse
1 x USB Keyboard

Credit card with no charges. Overall I would say its very good bargain.

Bought extra 1 x 4GB Kingston RAM. Will try on WHS Vail and 2008 R2 to decide which to go!
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Attempting to update Synology firmware to DM3.0 but no luck.
Error message: Data can not be applied.

Tried twice, downloaded from http://download.synology.com/download/firm...1_110j_1342.pat for my ds110j.

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Attempting to update Synology firmware to DM3.0 but no luck.
Error message: Data can not be applied.

Tried twice, downloaded from http://download.synology.com/download/firm...1_110j_1342.pat for my ds110j.

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I will wait and see. Not in a hurry to upgrade. Since it not downgrade able.
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I've gotten the same unit with your recommendation!

HP shop @ Digital mall

RM919 inclusive of:
1 x Unit
1 x Internal DVD (Writer?Reader?)
1 x USB Mouse
1 x USB Keyboard

Credit card with no charges. Overall I would say its very good bargain.

Bought extra 1 x 4GB Kingston RAM. Will try on WHS Vail and 2008 R2 to decide which to go!
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Congrats man. rclxms.gif 4GB extra? drool.gif You're running 5GB in total? I only got 2Gb extra.

Yes, that's the same shop I bought from. The guy was patient enough to open up the display unit and slide out the motherboard tray to show me how many slots of memory etc. Not to mention that fixing up the Internal DVD Writer / Reader was quite tedious since the screws that the HP uses are all torqx screws.

BTW, did you notice the box that the Internal DVD Writer / Reader came with? It's bomb proof ! It's actually the same kind of packaging that the real Proliant servers come with.
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QUOTE(Kelv @ Oct 12 2010, 10:49 PM)
Attempting to update Synology firmware to DM3.0 but no luck.
Error message: Data can not be applied.

Tried twice, downloaded from http://download.synology.com/download/firm...1_110j_1342.pat for my ds110j.

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Why can't I upgrade the firmware of the Synology product?

Answer:

It happens occasionally if the network services are on the duty. Please try the following suggestions to fix this issue:

* Store the .pat file on your local drive instead of the shared folder on Synology NAS Server.
* Disable ALL Web Services

1. Login to the web management UI.
2. Go to “Network Services > Web Services”.
3. Untick all the checked boxes to disable the Web Services.

* Disable Jumbo Frames

1. Login to the web management UI.
2. Go to “System > Network”.
3. Select “Disable Jumbo Frame, the MTU value is 1500” in Jumbo Frame.

* If you are using the Safari web browser, please try using Firefox or Internet Explorer 7 (IE7) to upgrade the firmware.

If you still have problems in firmware upgrade, please submit a Support Form.




http://www.synology.com/support/faq_show.p...id=385&lang=enu


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I will wait and see. Not in a hurry to upgrade. Since it not downgrade able.
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as DSM 3.0 added more feature... it is a good to upgrade unless the new feature is useless for you.....

anyway, if you NAS is main for data processing and + running some application than please double check your application spec as it also upgrade to latest protocol ( like mysql or php and others)


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Congrats man.  rclxms.gif 4GB extra?  drool.gif You're running 5GB in total? I only got 2Gb extra.

Yes, that's the same shop I bought from. The guy was patient enough to open up the display unit and slide out the motherboard tray to show me how many slots of memory etc. Not to mention that fixing up the Internal DVD Writer / Reader was quite tedious since the screws that the HP uses are all torqx screws.

BTW, did you notice the box that the Internal DVD Writer / Reader came with? It's bomb proof ! It's actually the same kind of packaging that the real Proliant servers come with.
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That black in colour plastic protector? It took me a few attempts to slot in that Internal DVD writer. Did tried up Win2k8 Server but to be honest, I'm not good in windows server product at all so... I reformatted to Windows home server Vail... and again, struggling to re-size the unused partition at the moment such as 'recorded tv' drive etc.. etc...
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Yes, I am using it as a NAS. It's on Server 2008 R2.

I was initially looking at the Acer H342 but decided on this because of it's "upgradability".
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Hi, whats your feedback on this Server? Is it powerful enough for a home server serving 3-4ppl at a time? I've check the processor is more powerful than Intel Atom that Acer H342 is using.

Care to share how much is the power consumption and the fan noise of this server?

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im new to this nas thingy. can someone recommended me a good nas enclosure that support mac. my budget is RM400.

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That black in colour plastic protector? It took me a few attempts to slot in that Internal DVD writer. Did tried up Win2k8 Server but to be honest, I'm not good in windows server product at all so... I reformatted to Windows home server Vail... and again, struggling to re-size the unused partition at the moment such as 'recorded tv' drive etc.. etc...
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Didn't the guy at the shop fix the DVD writer for you? They did it for me. It took a while though because of the torq screws and because it's quite small space. Now, I have already taken the DVD writer out because I needed the top space to put the 160GB Seagate boot drive there to make space for the 4 Samsung F4EGs at the bottom.

Anyway, I'm also a newbie. I've no experience with Vail. A little bt of experience in Windows Server. Still learning. Partitioning was a breeze as I used a single 8TB partition and devided to different share directories.

The reason I went with Server 2008 instead of Home Server on this machine is because I can take advantage of the motherboard RAID. This is also the reason why I was not too happy with the Acer as you'll be stuck with Home Server.


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Hi, whats your feedback on this Server? Is it powerful enough for a home server serving 3-4ppl at a time? I've check the processor is more powerful than Intel Atom that Acer H342 is using.

Care to share how much is the power consumption and the fan noise of this server?

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Fan noise is very silent. I can only hear the 4 Samsung F4EG hardisk writing / reading if I put my ear in front of the casing. I don't have any equipment to measure power consumption but for a NAS with a CPU, it should still be pretty low. The Motherboard Monitor software does not really recognise the board / chip but it reads 5.1W at idle and max 9.1W.

I don't have many people connected to the server. I find it plenty fast for my use. I stream 1080p mkv files and even 40Mbit Bluray .m2ts files at 24p to my 46" LCD over wired LAN with no problems while simultaneously running Winrar to achieve files on the RAID 0 array in the background. If I'm not wrong, HP says the N36L is suited for small business not more than 10 people. I was looking for good read and write NAS performance and I find the network performance very good. From the Bandwidth Monitor program, the throughput easily hits the 1GBit LAN limit when transferring files from my other desktop to the server.

Check out some pics and review here;

http://www.tenniswood.co.uk/technology/rev...rver/#more-6595

http://www.tenniswood.co.uk/technology/win...nce-comparison/

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Didn't the guy at the shop fix the DVD writer for you? They did it for me. It took a while though because of the torq screws and because it's quite small space. Now, I have already taken the DVD writer out because I needed the top space to put the 160GB Seagate boot drive there to make space for the 4 Samsung F4EGs at the bottom.

Anyway, I'm also a newbie. I've no experience with Vail. A little bt of experience in Windows Server. Still learning. Partitioning was a breeze as I used a single 8TB partition and devided to different share directories.

The reason I went with Server 2008 instead of Home Server on this machine is because I can take advantage of the motherboard RAID. This is also the reason why I was not too happy with the Acer as you'll be stuck with Home Server.


Added on October 18, 2010, 11:33 am

Fan noise is very silent. I can only hear the 4 Samsung F4EG hardisk writing / reading if I put my ear in front of the casing. I don't have any equipment to measure power consumption but for a NAS with a CPU, it should still be pretty low. The Motherboard Monitor software does not really recognise the board / chip but it reads 5.1W at idle and max 9.1W.

I don't have many people connected to the server. I find it plenty fast for my use. I stream 1080p mkv files and even 40Mbit Bluray .m2ts files at 24p to my 46" LCD over wired LAN with no problems while simultaneously running Winrar to achieve files on the RAID 0 array in the background. If I'm not wrong, HP says the N36L is suited for small business not more than 10 people. I was looking for good read and write NAS performance and I find the network performance very good. From the Bandwidth Monitor program, the throughput easily hits the 1GBit LAN limit when transferring files from my other desktop to the server.

Check out some pics and review here;

http://www.tenniswood.co.uk/technology/rev...rver/#more-6595

http://www.tenniswood.co.uk/technology/win...nce-comparison/
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Hi,

You said you stream your MKV file and play on your TV, you still need a TV top media player to play the file right? I tried to stream (from a synology NAS but no idea what model) Avatar (1080p MKV) at my friend's place, the video is very jerky, is it because of the media player or the streaming speed too slow?

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Is it your streaming is from synology NAS --> router --> media player --> TV ?

I m using this way. But cannot play the file. I only can see the folder and the file. When try to play it, it keep skip to another file.

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Hi,

You said you stream your MKV file and play on your TV, you still need a TV top media player to play the file right? I tried to stream (from a synology NAS but no idea what model) Avatar (1080p MKV) at my friend's place, the video is very jerky, is it because of the media player or the streaming speed too slow?

Thanks!
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I measured 1080p full Bluray m2ts files and they need to be streamed at around 5MB/s or so. The 1080p mkv are much lower at 2 or 3MB/s depending on the decoding. So it's quite light on the network actually. A 100MBit network is more than enough. I decent NAS like from Synology should be able to stream at that speed. So my guess is it's the media player? What player is that?

My playback is through mediaplayer on the PC. I built a SFF Lian Li cube PC V351 and put it in the cabinet near the TV. At that time, I was tempted to buy the small dedicated media players but decided to build a PC for that because of more playback flexibility and because at that time, the dedicated media players were VERY expensive. I will try and stream 1080p HD stuff through my WD Player and see how it goes.

Anyway, I decided on the HP Microserver for my NAS needs not solely for smooth HD playback but because of these 5 things;

1. I can put 4 hardisk in for the ever growing need for space.
2. It's fast when I transfer and store TB of files over the network.
3. It's relatively cheap.
4. It's flexible because of the OS.
5. It's relatively small (smaller than my Lian Li PC V351).

Else, a good Gigabit network backbone and a cheap NAS solution would be fine just for normal HD mkv playback.

I wanted a 4 bay because I already had 2 units of 2-bay NAS (Linksys NMH300 and Buffalo LinkStation Duo) filled up with 2TB hardisks. While the Buffalo was fast and problem free, the Linksys always disconnected when you write big files to it. Reading is fine.


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Is it your streaming is from synology NAS --> router --> media player --> TV ?

I m using this way. But cannot play the file. I only can see the folder and the file. When try to play it, it keep skip to another file.
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What media player is that? Perhaps cannot decode the video codec or the DTS codec?


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QUOTE(thankyou @ Oct 14 2010, 12:19 PM)
That black in colour plastic protector? It took me a few attempts to slot in that Internal DVD writer. Did tried up Win2k8 Server but to be honest, I'm not good in windows server product at all so... I reformatted to Windows home server Vail... and again, struggling to re-size the unused partition at the moment such as 'recorded tv' drive etc.. etc...
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Forgot to mention that HP came out with a service advisory on the N36L.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechS...rodTypeId=15351

Basically it shows how to enable NCQ and Write Cache on the RAID array from RaidXpert program.

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Forgot to mention that HP came out with a service advisory on the N36L.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechS...rodTypeId=15351

Basically it shows how to enable NCQ and Write Cache on the RAID array from RaidXpert program.
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Thanks for the tips! I haven't get my 4 x 2TB HDD as I want to make sure what kind of application I want to run besides having this Microserver serving as NAS.

I had installed VMware ESXi on USB and let it run on internal USB slot. So far it has been running 3 days without smoothly. I've installed downloaded and installed OpenVPN AS at the moment and will proceed to install Windows 2k8 on top of ESXi.

I think its good idea to have 160GB HDD running as boot disk. I might consider that.

Btw, Since you are running raid 0, how do you get your data back up? Do you set it to 4 HDD in RAID 0 cluster? If only they support RAID 1+0 it would be great!
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Thanks for the tips! I haven't get my 4 x 2TB HDD as I want to make sure what kind of application I want to run besides having this Microserver serving as NAS.

I had installed VMware ESXi on USB and let it run on internal USB slot. So far it has been running 3 days without smoothly. I've installed downloaded and installed OpenVPN AS at the moment and will proceed to install Windows 2k8 on top of ESXi.

I think its good idea to have 160GB HDD running as boot disk. I might consider that.

Btw, Since you are running raid 0, how do you get your data back up? Do you set it to 4 HDD in RAID 0 cluster? If only they support RAID 1+0 it would be great!
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It's very unfortunate that one cannot get Server 2008 R2 to run on the USB stick. biggrin.gif Installing ESXi is cool but Server 2008 R2 has Hyper V too. Haven't played with it. Should be interesting.

I made a Ghost image of the OS partition and the hidden partition as well. Should be fast to restore it if required. I actually had to do clean installs a few times because of screw ups. It was fast installing from the USB thumbdrive vs DVD drive but still require some time too. Learned my lesson already.

Yes, 4 hardisks on RAID 0. Oh, for back ups, I do it online. They are not important data anyway. biggrin.gif If I were to allocate backup space, I'll go broke.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Oct 18 2010, 11:31 AM)
Didn't the guy at the shop fix the DVD writer for you? They did it for me. It took a while though because of the torq screws and because it's quite small space. Now, I have already taken the DVD writer out because I needed the top space to put the 160GB Seagate boot drive there to make space for the 4 Samsung F4EGs at the bottom.

Anyway, I'm also a newbie. I've no experience with Vail. A little bt of experience in Windows Server. Still learning. Partitioning was a breeze as I used a single 8TB partition and devided to different share directories.

The reason I went with Server 2008 instead of Home Server on this machine is because I can take advantage of the motherboard RAID. This is also the reason why I was not too happy with the Acer as you'll be stuck with Home Server.


Added on October 18, 2010, 11:33 am

Fan noise is very silent. I can only hear the 4 Samsung F4EG hardisk writing / reading if I put my ear in front of the casing. I don't have any equipment to measure power consumption but for a NAS with a CPU, it should still be pretty low. The Motherboard Monitor software does not really recognise the board / chip but it reads 5.1W at idle and max 9.1W.

I don't have many people connected to the server. I find it plenty fast for my use. I stream 1080p mkv files and even 40Mbit Bluray .m2ts files at 24p to my 46" LCD over wired LAN with no problems while simultaneously running Winrar to achieve files on the RAID 0 array in the background. If I'm not wrong, HP says the N36L is suited for small business not more than 10 people. I was looking for good read and write NAS performance and I find the network performance very good. From the Bandwidth Monitor program, the throughput easily hits the 1GBit LAN limit when transferring files from my other desktop to the server.

Check out some pics and review here;

http://www.tenniswood.co.uk/technology/rev...rver/#more-6595

http://www.tenniswood.co.uk/technology/win...nce-comparison/
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Thanks for the feedback. Btw is the 1Gb ram provided sufficient for win server 2008 or we need to upgrade more? How much is to upgrade it?

You stream over ethernet cable directly or via wifi/homeplug?
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I'm running 1 + 2 = 3GB memory. 2GB DDR3 was about RM 100 plus. I installed Server 2008 R2 with 3GB from the start. So I do not have an idea how it performs with 1GB. But I believe still manageable. Even though Server 2008 R2 will run since it meets the minimum requirements, it does not hurt to give more RAM.

As for connection, I always believe in direct wired cable connection. Don't use Wifi for HD streaming. I have a CAT6 cable connected via Cisco GB switch.
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I'm running 1 + 2 = 3GB memory. 2GB DDR3 was about RM 100 plus. I installed Server 2008 R2 with 3GB from the start. So I do not have an idea how it performs with 1GB. But I believe still manageable. Even though Server 2008 R2 will run since it meets the minimum requirements, it does not hurt to give more RAM.

As for connection, I always believe in direct wired cable connection. Don't use Wifi for HD streaming. I have a CAT6 cable connected via Cisco GB switch.
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I see. Its hard to run a CAT6 cable because my server is upstair while I want to connect to my ps3 downstair. I was looking into homeplug solution but there is no gurantee it works. Anyway I've tried with WIFI and it is jerky.
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There is AV type homeplug in market now. The speed is faster. It specially for AV.

WIFI N type not fast enough?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 18 2010, 03:01 PM)
Is it your streaming is from synology NAS --> router --> media player --> TV ?

I m using this way. But cannot play the file. I only can see the folder and the file. When try to play it, it keep skip to another file.
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To the best of my knowledge, that's the way my friend's setup his system... is it due to the slow (low spec) media player or not enough throughput from NAS -> Router or Router -> Mediaplayer?


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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Oct 18 2010, 03:07 PM)
I measured 1080p full Bluray m2ts files and they need to be streamed at around 5MB/s or so. The 1080p mkv are much lower at 2 or 3MB/s depending on the decoding. So it's quite light on the network actually. A 100MBit network is more than enough. I decent NAS like from Synology should be able to stream at that speed. So my guess is it's the media player? What player is that?

My playback is through mediaplayer on the PC. I built a SFF Lian Li cube PC V351 and put it in the cabinet near the TV. At that time, I was tempted to buy the small dedicated media players but decided to build a PC for that because of more playback flexibility and because at that time, the dedicated media players were VERY expensive. I will try and stream 1080p HD stuff through my WD Player and see how it goes.

Anyway, I decided on the HP Microserver for my NAS needs not solely for smooth HD playback but because of these 5 things;

1. I can put 4 hardisk in for the ever growing need for space.
2. It's fast when I transfer and store TB of files over the network.
3. It's relatively cheap.
4. It's flexible because of the OS.
5. It's relatively small (smaller than my Lian Li PC V351).

Else, a good Gigabit network backbone and a cheap NAS solution would be fine just for normal HD mkv playback.

I wanted a 4 bay because I already had 2 units of 2-bay NAS (Linksys NMH300 and Buffalo LinkStation Duo) filled up with 2TB hardisks. While the Buffalo was fast and problem free, the Linksys always disconnected when you write big files to it. Reading is fine.


Let me know your findings ok? I would like to know whether that is dues to NAS/router low throughput or slow dedicated media player, thanks!

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To the best of my knowledge, that's the way my friend's setup his system... is it due to the slow (low spec) media player or not enough throughput from NAS -> Router or Router -> Mediaplayer?


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Let me know your findings ok? I would like to know whether that is dues to NAS/router low throughput or slow dedicated media player, thanks!
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which model of NAS u use? if you use synology NAS year 2010 model.. ( model ended with x10 series) , it can support from 35MB/s up to 140MB/s with gigabit connection.

another way to test is play the same media file with your NB/PC. if it work this mean ur network and NAS is ok. than the limitation will be on your media player ( normally is not enough buffer -memory in your player)
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I see. Its hard to run a CAT6 cable because my server is upstair while I want to connect to my ps3 downstair. I was looking into homeplug solution but there is no gurantee it works. Anyway I've tried with WIFI and it is jerky.
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Ok, understood. Between homeplug and Wifi, stick with homeplug.

If I knew about homeplugs back then, I would have used it instead. Setting up the CAT6 was a little tedious as I had to drill holes through the wall and had to do it when wifey was not around. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 18 2010, 11:21 PM)
There is AV type homeplug in market now. The speed is faster. It specially for AV.

WIFI N type not fast enough?
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It's not about speed. Especially not burst speeds. It's about sustained speeds which even the best Wifi N tend to drop. The highest 1080p mkv encode would probably set you for not more than 3MB/s. A full m2ts Bluray would be about 5MB/s throughput. So in theory, Wifi G would be enough too but not.


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which model of NAS u use? if you use synology NAS year 2010 model.. ( model ended with x10 series) , it can support from 35MB/s up to 140MB/s with gigabit connection.

another way to test is play the same media file with your NB/PC. if it work this mean ur network and NAS is ok. than the limitation will be on your media player ( normally is not enough buffer -memory in your player)
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That's a good suggestion. Play the file with the PC.

140MB/s? Faster than Gigabit speed?

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QUOTE(denhock @ Oct 19 2010, 09:32 AM)
which model of NAS u use? if you use synology NAS year 2010 model.. ( model ended with x10 series) , it can support from 35MB/s up to 140MB/s with gigabit connection.

another way to test is play the same media file with your NB/PC. if it work this mean ur network and NAS is ok. than the limitation will be on your media player ( normally is not enough buffer -memory in your player)
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I have no idea which model he is using, he told me that it is a Synology NAS. I actually suspect the problem lies with his mediaplayer and I would like to know whether anyone here experienced the same problem.


Added on October 19, 2010, 12:20 pmJust checked with my friend, his is a 2 bay DS209...

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I read a few pages back but still can't decide which NAS is better.

My department decide to buy a dedicated storage server for sharing files. The files include office files (excel, word, pdf etc.) and some video. All users (up to 6 users) use varieties of windows OS from XP to Win 7 and most have only basic IT knowledge so most probably they only know how to use ms office and internet browsing.

Currently, we are using shared folder but I found out it not really user friendly and some how slow. For some computer, it hard to get connected.

So, anyone can suggest me a good NAS or may be a microserver which is easier to manage and easier to access files from end userpc? Looking for 2 bays although 500gb of storage is actually more than enough.

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I read a few pages back but still can't decide which NAS is better.

My department decide to buy a dedicated storage server for sharing files. The files include office files (excel, word, pdf etc.) and some video. All users (up to 6 users) use varieties of windows OS from XP to Win 7 and most have only basic IT knowledge so most probably they only know how to use ms office and internet browsing.

Currently, we are using shared folder but I found out it not really user friendly and some how slow. For some computer, it hard to get connected.

So, anyone can suggest me a good NAS or may be a microserver which is easier to manage and easier to access files from end userpc? Looking for 2 bays although 500gb of storage is actually more than enough.
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qnap and synology should be good enough. Get the 2bay type for backup. Easy to use and can access anytime, anywhere and any OS.

My office and spore branch use synology. Have been using 3yrs now.
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qnap and synology should be good enough. Get the 2bay type for backup. Easy to use and can access anytime, anywhere and any OS.

My office and spore branch use synology. Have been using 3yrs now.
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Which model you use?
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My office using ds107+. Spore branch using ds207. And my home using ds409+.

Any model will do as long it is 2bay. All the model access the OS and setup is same.
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Added on October 19, 2010, 10:46 am

That's a good suggestion. Play the file with the PC.

140MB/s? Faster than Gigabit speed?
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Oct 20 2010, 10:00 PM)
I read a few pages back but still can't decide which NAS is better.

My department decide to buy a dedicated storage server for sharing files. The files include office files (excel, word, pdf etc.) and some video. All users (up to 6 users) use varieties of windows OS from XP to Win 7 and most have only basic IT knowledge so most probably they only know how to use ms office and internet browsing.

Currently, we are using shared folder but I found out it not really user friendly and some how slow. For some computer, it hard to get connected.

So, anyone can suggest me a good NAS or may be a microserver which is easier to manage and easier to access files from end userpc? Looking for 2 bays although 500gb of storage is actually more than enough.
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from your requirement above, we will like to suggest you to use:

1) Synology DS210j
2) QNAP TS210

both should be able to serve you...

but if you like to have more faster speed than:

3) Synology DS210+
4) Synology DS710+
5) QNAP TS259PRO+

will be better.



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I'm running 1 + 2 = 3GB memory. 2GB DDR3 was about RM 100 plus. I installed Server 2008 R2 with 3GB from the start. So I do not have an idea how it performs with 1GB. But I believe still manageable. Even though Server 2008 R2 will run since it meets the minimum requirements, it does not hurt to give more RAM.

As for connection, I always believe in direct wired cable connection. Don't use Wifi for HD streaming. I have a CAT6 cable connected via Cisco GB switch.
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Hi just bought this server yesterday, I must say very impressed with it. rclxms.gif The Micron RAM that came with it, is it unbuffered or ECC?
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Yes, I think its Non-ECC ram... Just get normal RAM will do... I'm waiting for DDR3 to drop a lil bit more to get another stick of 1 x 4GB

8GB of total.. though I know it will be under utilise...

Btw, does anyone know how much difference in VM performance comparing between VMware ESXi and Windows 2008 Hyper-V?
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Just got myself a Buffalo Linkstation Live biggrin.gif

Gotta say it's good for network storage and as a media server.

Very fast even I stream from it to my ps3/iphone smile.gif
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Hi just bought this server yesterday, I must say very impressed with it. rclxms.gif  The Micron RAM that came with it, is it unbuffered or ECC?
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Congrats. Perhaps we should start a mini club. biggrin.gif Very satisfied with the peformance too. On real world large file transfers, I'm getting about 119MB/s read and about 110MB/s writes on the RAID 0 array.

No idea on the memroy but I recall HP's website stating that the Microserver supports only Unbuffered ECC. So I think the 1MB DDR3 that comes with the Microserver is indeed ECC. I'm lazy to take out and check but if it's convenient for you, you could take dow the part number on the Micron stick (saw the sticker on the module in the shop while the guy was taking out the motherboard tray) and google for it.

Anyway, this was actually the draw back because ECC modules are hard to get and expensive. So to test it out, I asked the shop to put in ordinary DDR3 memory and it booted up ! Thought that if it didn't work, it would give me grounds not to proceed with the purchase since the shop claimes it works with ordinary DDR3.


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Yes, I think its Non-ECC ram... Just get normal RAM will do... I'm waiting for DDR3 to drop a lil bit more to get another stick of 1 x 4GB

8GB of total.. though I know it will be under utilise...

Btw, does anyone know how much difference in VM performance comparing between VMware ESXi and Windows 2008 Hyper-V?
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Wah... 8GB? drool.gif No idea lah on the ESXi vs Hyper V. I'm not too advanced.

Anyway, I'm trying to check if the eSATA connection at the back of the HP Microserver supports port multiplication. If yes, can get another 4 bay eSATA box to hook it up. nod.gif


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Just got myself a Buffalo Linkstation Live biggrin.gif

Gotta say it's good for network storage and as a media server.

Very fast even I stream from it to my ps3/iphone smile.gif
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If it's anything like the Buffalo Linkstation Duo, the performance is very good. It never drops off the network and it's very consistant. Highly recommended.

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did you mix the existing micron ram with unbuffered ram? very easy to see whether it is ecc ram or not, just slide out the ram and count the ram chips, if it's in odd number means its ECC, if even means normal unbuffered. anyway gonna slide out my tray tonight to confirm.

do tell us if port multiplication works smile.gif

ESXi vs Hyper-V, it really depends what guest os you want to run on it and what do you want to have it function as both have their strengths but personally for me i would go for ESXi

as for me im still in dilemma whether to linux softraid5 mdadm+lvm or freebsd/solaris zfs raidz, havent gotten the disks to build array yet tongue.gif

oh yeah anybody bought care pack for this server? a little worried with proprietory hardware so thinking of upgrading it to 3yrs warranty. I've been quoted RM160 which is quite ok compared to the pricing of the extension price i pay for Thinkpads.

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QUOTE(mercindustries @ Oct 25 2010, 04:00 PM)
did you mix the existing micron ram with unbuffered ram? very easy to see whether it is ecc ram or not, just slide out the ram and count the ram chips, if it's in odd number means its ECC, if even means normal unbuffered. anyway gonna slide out my tray tonight to confirm.

do tell us if port multiplication works smile.gif

ESXi vs Hyper-V, it really depends what guest os you want to run on it and what do you want to have it function as both have their strengths but personally for me i would go for ESXi

as for me im still in dilemma whether to linux softraid5 mdadm+lvm or freebsd/solaris zfs raidz, havent gotten the disks to build array yet tongue.gif

oh yeah anybody bought care pack for this server? a little worried with proprietory hardware so thinking of upgrading it to 3yrs warranty. I've been quoted RM160 which is quite ok compared to the pricing of the extension price i pay for Thinkpads.
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Thanks for the ECC tip. Yeah, the Micron 1GB stick is mixed with the 2GB Kingston.

Why using soft raid? You have important data? Mine are not so important. It's actually a media server and for those media files that I cherish, I upload them to Hotfile / Rapidshare. biggrin.gif

Ok, I actually never thought about care packs for the Microserver. I keep forgetting that it's a HP product. I use to buy quite a bit of carepacks for my company's HP servers. They give a piece of mind. How did you enquire about them? RM 160 for 3 years is bloody cheap.
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ya have terabytes of data, don't think its really feasible to upload to HF/RS

Ya I agree RM160 is bloody cheap and worth it for 3/3/3 Parts/Labour/Onsite 9x5 Next Business Day, if you want the contact please feel free to pm me smile.gif

I'm thinking of maximizing the total drive of the device to 5HDDs (1 via DVD slot), how is the speed on the internal USB port? Is it USB2.0? Thinking of attaching a USB HDD instead of pendrive (afraid that pendrive might wear out prematurely)

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I too have loads of files. But upload 150 to 170 GB per day 24/7 or so, you should be able to cover quite a bit of data. Not all of them important, right?

I'll PM you if my contact does not reply to me about the Care Packs.

I think booting via eSATA or external USB2 storage would be much faster than thumbdrive. I took out my DVD drive and used a left over bracket from previous machine to mount the Seagate 160GB there instead. Works fine.
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I'm definitely interested in getting 3 years warranty upgrade!

mercindustries, would need your guide if its okay!!!
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I'm definitely interested in getting 3 years warranty upgrade!

mercindustries, would need your guide if its okay!!!
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if you don't just drop me a pm and i'll pass you my contact.
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Just found out the supplied Micron 1MB DDR3 memory is confirmed to be an ECC stick.

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http://www.micron.com/products/ProductDeta...9JSF12872AZ-1G4
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Yeap indeed it is ECC Stick, I've just upgraded my RAM to 4GB last nite, runs a lot smoother now compared to 1GB
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Early this morning, I updated the BIOS on the Microserver to the latest version 2010.09.30 (A) 15 Oct 2010. Had to use a USB stick for this. Don't know what the new BIOS does. Did not go in the BIOS to check but I thought the bootup sequence was faster. Placebo effect?
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not much changes from the changelog

Problems Fixed:

Resolved an issue where the System Event Log (SEL) description is different for the same event between the BIOS Setup Menu and the WebUI.
Resolved an issue where the system will intermittently fail to complete a disaster recovery of the system ROM when configured in RAID mode and an IPMI card is installed.

Resolved an issue where the wrong product name was displayed in the BIOS Setup Menu. The correct product name is "HP ProLiant MicroServer".

anyhow trying to get this bios modded to slic 2.1 so can use ahem wink.gif

just bought new hard disk for this little nas box, documentation mentioned that it only supports only cold-plug but actual fact is it DOES support hot-plug rclxms.gif now i need to wait for 4 hours before my soft-raid5 initialization is complete...

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not much changes from the changelog

Problems Fixed:

Resolved an issue where the System Event Log (SEL) description is different for the same event between the BIOS Setup Menu and the WebUI.
Resolved an issue where the system will intermittently fail to complete a disaster recovery of the system ROM when configured in RAID mode and an IPMI card is installed.

Resolved an issue where the wrong product name was displayed in the BIOS Setup Menu. The correct product name is "HP ProLiant MicroServer".

anyhow trying to get this bios modded to slic 2.1 so can use ahem wink.gif

just bought new hard disk for this little nas box, documentation mentioned that it only supports only cold-plug but actual fact is it DOES support hot-plug rclxms.gif now i need to wait for 4 hours before my soft-raid5 initialization is complete...
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Why would you want to mod the BIOS? It's already SLIC 2.1 compatible. How else is the Microserver going to run Windows Server 2008 R2 if it's BIOS is not SLIC 2.1? thumbup.gif

Anyway, thanks for the info on the hot plug. By right, SATA should be hot pluggable by design if I'm not wrong. 4 hours? What size lah is your RAID 5 array? drool.gif
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This server does not support RAID5. Only RAID0 and RAID1.

does the windows server 2008r2 comes crippled or full version? Can it run normal antivirus software and/or does it have active directory and so on? Can I turn this thing into an AD domain server?



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Why would you want to mod the BIOS? It's already SLIC 2.1 compatible. How else is the Microserver going to run Windows Server 2008 R2 if it's BIOS is not SLIC 2.1?  thumbup.gif

Anyway, thanks for the info on the hot plug. By right, SATA should be hot pluggable by design if I'm not wrong. 4 hours? What size lah is your RAID 5 array?  drool.gif
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Whether or not it is capable of running Win2K8 R2 is not reliant of the BIOS, even if you dont have SLIC table in BIOS you will still be able to install it. SLIC is just a licensing verification method imposed by M$

My raid5 is 3TB, now middle of growing it to 4.5 smile.gif

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This server does not support RAID5. Only RAID0 and RAID1.

does the windows server 2008r2 comes crippled or full version? Can it run normal antivirus software and/or does it have active directory and so on? Can I turn this thing into an AD domain server?
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Yes the onboard storage controller supports only RAID0/1 only, I'm running RAID5 via Linux's mdadm. Technically neither of these are hardware raid.

Win2K8 R2 is just a revision of Win2K8 based on 7's kernel where as the non R2 is based on Vista's kernel. You have the option of installing full gui or Server Core mode (where everything is managed via command line interface). So to say that it is crippled or so is definitely wrong. Advantage of running just CLI is definitely lower memory overhead.

As for antivirus, you must run server versions of antivirus.


I have tried to transcode some videos on-the-fly to my PS3 and it seems to be able to cope with 720p, haven't tried with 1080p need to get some of these ultra HD clips.

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what linux distro you are running? They only have drivers for redhat. I would prefer to run ubuntu on it if possible.
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This server does not support RAID5. Only RAID0 and RAID1.

does the windows server 2008r2 comes crippled or full version? Can it run normal antivirus software and/or does it have active directory and so on? Can I turn this thing into an AD domain server?
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Let it be known that the Microserver does not come with OS pre-installed. It's listed by HP as compatible with Windows Server 2008 R2 and Linux Redhat and has drivers for them. So you need to install your own.

Yes, technically you can turn on Active Directory and use it as a domain controller. Of course it's small scale only.


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Whether or not it is capable of running Win2K8 R2 is not reliant of the BIOS, even if you dont have SLIC table in BIOS you will still be able to install it. SLIC is just a licensing verification method imposed by M$
I know. What I was trying to say is you don't need to go through to a lot of length just to modify the BIOS to get Server 2008 R2 installed... The BIOS already has SLIC 2.1 code.

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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 1 2010, 04:38 PM)
what linux distro you are running? They only have drivers for redhat. I would prefer to run ubuntu on it if possible.
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I'm running Ubuntu too, any up-to-date Linux flavors should be able to accommodate the hardware drivers. It is now officially my RAID5 NAS/Media Server, Torrent downloader and light internet browsing/IM machine smile.gif

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Nov 1 2010, 05:35 PM)
Let it be known that the Microserver does not come with OS pre-installed. It's listed by HP as compatible with Windows Server 2008 R2 and Linux Redhat and has drivers for them. So you need to install your own.

Yes, technically you can turn on Active Directory and use it as a domain controller. Of course it's small scale only.


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I know. What I was trying to say is you don't need to go through to a lot of length just to modify the BIOS to get Server 2008 R2 installed... The BIOS already has SLIC 2.1 code.
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ok this I wasn't aware, installed 7 for a brief period only before jumping to Linux, therefore didn't manage to get RW-Everything report, anyhow certainly I wont want to go back to Windows for this little fella.

For small scale AD authentication I don't think it should be much of an issue, running exchange and or SQL server on the other hand might start to tax the HDD and memory. Of course as HP recommended the sole purpose of this MicroServer is for really small businesses setup.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Nov 1 2010, 05:35 PM)
Let it be known that the Microserver does not come with OS pre-installed. It's listed by HP as compatible with Windows Server 2008 R2 and Linux Redhat and has drivers for them. So you need to install your own.

Yes, technically you can turn on Active Directory and use it as a domain controller. Of course it's small scale only.


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Awe...i was expecting it to comes with win2k8r2 cause in the description, they keep on mentioning it. And they didn't say it did not comes with it. What a misleading information. That's why I was like going crazy cause it's so cheap. Cause I was thinking of getting to box for some of my clients who only need to run basic filesharing.

Anyway...I am gonna get 1 for my own testing. Looks like a good replacement for my dns323.

Any idea where they are selling this cheap in lowyat plaza? I don't think normal vendors will carry this product.

One more question...if I opt for the BIOS level RAID1, can I still install ubuntu on it? Or does it has to be running it's own CLI?
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QUOTE(mercindustries @ Nov 1 2010, 05:50 PM)
ok this I wasn't aware, installed 7 for a brief period only before jumping to Linux, therefore didn't manage to get RW-Everything report, anyhow certainly I wont want to go back to Windows for this little fella.
Since my brother-in-law has a MSDNAA account, I manage to download Server 2008 R2 for free.


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Awe...i was expecting it to comes with win2k8r2 cause in the description, they keep on mentioning it. And they didn't say it did not comes with it. What a misleading information. That's why I was like going crazy cause it's so cheap. Cause I was thinking of getting to box for some of my clients who only need to run basic filesharing.


How it is possible for HP to provide a server for a price lower than the price of Windows Server 2008 R2? hmm.gif Unfortunately, nothing comes for free in this world.

QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 1 2010, 11:45 PM)
Anyway...I am gonna get 1 for my own testing. Looks like a good replacement for my dns323.


The DNS323 is very slow. The difference between that and the Microserver would be heaven and earth. biggrin.gif You'll be very pleased.

QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 1 2010, 11:45 PM)
Any idea where they are selling this cheap in lowyat plaza? I don't think normal vendors will carry this product.


No idea but I do believe they have some HP outlet shops there in LYP? You could try and ask. You could also try All IT in LYP. Their Curve branch had it. Don't see why their LYP branch would not.

Else, try and order it online from HP's website.

QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 1 2010, 11:45 PM)
One more question...if I opt for the BIOS level RAID1, can I still install ubuntu on it? Or does it has to be running it's own CLI?
No experience in Linux but I believe RaidXpert (required for BIOS level RAID support) can be supported under Linux. Look here;

http://wwwd.amd.com/AMD/SReleaseF.nsf/webl....15~SB8xx~Linux

Unfortunately, there is very minimal stuff on HP's Microserver website when it concerns drivers under Linux.

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I had Dreamspark access so I also got my Win2K8 free wink.gif

I think pricing is standard RM919, I bought mine at 4th floor LYP HP shop, paid by card no extra charges. If they say want to charge you just say Digital Mall offered same price with no extra charges for payment via card (which I did use that reason).

Yes you may install either GUI or just CLI Ubuntu, like I mentioned any up-to-date Linux distro should be able to support the AMD southbridge. AMD mobo chipsets are rather common nowadays and it is just plain logic to have Ubuntu supporting them if they want to have more market penetration.
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QUOTE(mercindustries @ Nov 2 2010, 11:49 AM)
Yes you may install either GUI or just CLI Ubuntu, like I mentioned any up-to-date Linux distro should be able to support the AMD southbridge. AMD mobo chipsets are rather common nowadays and it is just plain logic to have Ubuntu supporting them if they want to have more market penetration.
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I think abubin was asking if Linux supports the RAID function from the BIOS (RAID 1 or RAID 0). AMD chipsets should be supported but you need to get RAIDXpert installed to support RAID in the OS via BIOS much like Intel's Matrix Manager with an Intel chipset.
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The HP microserver seems the best bang among other NAS. Except, it doesnt have an OS installed. But that's another plus point i think. You can install linux on it or freenas perhaps. And i also have original 2k8r2 lying around. Oh my the posibilites... better than qnap or synology.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Nov 2 2010, 12:28 PM)
I think abubin was asking if Linux supports the RAID function from the BIOS (RAID 1 or RAID 0). AMD chipsets should be supported but you need to get RAIDXpert installed to support RAID in the OS via BIOS much like Intel's Matrix Manager with an Intel chipset.
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yup..thanks for the clarification...that's the answer i am looking for.

Well...basically I do not want to go for linux based RAID5 is because this will make recovery a hassle. Compared to BIOS/Linux raid1, I can recovery data easily by just plugging one hdd onto external hdd casing. So I would rather sacrifice the extra space for the data recovery.

Maybe i go buy the microserver this week....thanks for the advice.... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 2 2010, 02:28 PM)
yup..thanks for the clarification...that's the answer i am looking for.

Well...basically I do not want to go for linux based RAID5 is because this will make recovery a hassle. Compared to BIOS/Linux raid1, I can recovery data easily by just plugging one hdd onto external hdd casing. So I would rather sacrifice the extra space for the data recovery.

Maybe i go buy the microserver this week....thanks for the advice.... rclxms.gif
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No worries. Don't forget that you may want to add some memory too.


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The HP microserver seems the best bang among other NAS. Except, it doesnt have an OS installed. But that's another plus point i think. You can install linux on it or freenas perhaps. And i also have original 2k8r2 lying around. Oh my the posibilites...  better than qnap or synology.
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I agree that the Microserver is a bang for the buck for those looking into a above average NAS. Well, the QNAP and Synology devices have their places. Their 2 bay solutions offer very good and fast solutions at slightly higher prices. If performance you're after, they don't dissapoint.

But when you go hit into 4 bay solutions, the QNAP and Synology devices become very expensive. When you compare that the Microserver has more flexibility, it's a no brainer. It would have been excellent if the AMD chipset supported RAID 5 onboard much like the Intel ICHXXR boards.

Anyway, I was very close to getting the Acer H342 homeserver but luckily they did not have that in stock. All this while, I was looking at QNAP and Synology NAS solutions but could never justify and pull a trigger on one. The first time I saw the Microserver at All IT and was very curious about what it could do. For the asking price, I was very sceptical. Did some googling and the flexibility of the Microserver was what attracted me. It's more flexible than the H342. I must say it's been one of my best purchases so far. If the Microserver had been built by some other capalang company, I would have thought twice before committing. But it comes from HP's Proliant server line and my experiences with HP so far has been very positive.


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My raid5 is 3TB, now middle of growing it to 4.5 smile.gif
Forgot to ask... What kind of performance are you getting with that RAID 5 array?

My RAID 0 array maxes out the Gigabit connection at about 119MB/s. biggrin.gif

Just for kicks, I rar-ed an 8 GB mkv file locally on the Microserver onto the RAID 0 array and it took 4 minutes flat. No compression. Just store. I took the same file and rar-ed it locally on my Quad core Q6600 o/c to 3.2GHz with 6GB memory. It completed the job 20 seconds faster only. That machine was running 2 x 320GB WD AAKS hardisk in RAID 0.

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No worries. Don't forget that you may want to add some memory too.


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The standard 1GB memory is sufficient for me as I am going to run linux on it which is low resource intensive. It's basically only for fileserver and torrenting. No need so much memory. Plus ram can always be upgraded anytime.


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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 3 2010, 02:41 AM)
The standard 1GB memory is sufficient for me as I am going to run linux on it which is low resource intensive. It's basically only for fileserver and torrenting. No need so much memory. Plus ram can always be upgraded anytime.
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Ok. My rationale for upgrading the RAM from the get go is for smooth and fast installation. Furthermore, after you have set up and placed your cube nicely, you would feel very lazy to take out the wires and pull out the motherboard. laugh.gif
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Ok. My rationale for upgrading the RAM from the get go is for smooth and fast installation. Furthermore, after you have set up and placed your cube nicely, you would feel very lazy to take out the wires and pull out the motherboard.  laugh.gif
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yes yes that is true plus another 1GB ram is so cheap...virtually cost nothing. However, I would rather spend the money to buy additional extended warranty. Dang...going to LYN to get it this weekend...has been a long time since I went there. Really hate the weekend crowds. Maybe I go on deepavali friday..I hope the shops are open.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Nov 2 2010, 06:12 PM)
No worries. Don't forget that you may want to add some memory too.


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I agree that the Microserver is a bang for the buck for those looking into a above average NAS. Well, the QNAP and Synology devices have their places. Their 2 bay solutions offer very good and fast solutions at slightly higher prices. If performance you're after, they don't dissapoint.

But when you go hit into 4 bay solutions, the QNAP and Synology devices become very expensive. When you compare that the Microserver has more flexibility, it's a no brainer. It would have been excellent if the AMD chipset supported RAID 5 onboard much like the Intel ICHXXR boards.

Anyway, I was very close to getting the Acer H342 homeserver but luckily they did not have that in stock. All this while, I was looking at QNAP and Synology NAS solutions but could never justify and pull a trigger on one. The first time I saw the Microserver at All IT and was very curious about what it could do. For the asking price, I was very sceptical. Did some googling and the flexibility of the Microserver was what attracted me. It's more flexible than the H342. I must say it's been one of my best purchases so far. If the Microserver had been built by some other capalang company, I would have thought twice before committing. But it comes from HP's Proliant server line and my experiences with HP so far has been very positive.


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Forgot to ask... What kind of performance are you getting with that RAID 5 array?

My RAID 0 array maxes out the Gigabit connection at about 119MB/s.  biggrin.gif

Just for kicks, I rar-ed an 8 GB mkv file locally on the Microserver onto the RAID 0 array and it took 4 minutes flat. No compression. Just store. I took the same file and rar-ed it locally on my Quad core Q6600 o/c to 3.2GHz with 6GB memory. It completed the job 20 seconds faster only. That machine was running 2 x 320GB WD AAKS hardisk in RAID 0.
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3 x 1.5TB Samsung Greens RAID5, can't do a 4 x 1.5TB write test anymore as I have data on it, redid a read test on 4 avg is 201.0MB/s

Those write speeds easily saturates my gigabit traffic, but Samba doesn't really play nice with Windows clients so I had to FTP my stuffs over to be able to achieve full gigabit speed.

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samba should be faster than ftp....however, no point having such fast hdd speed when the bottleneck is in the network.

How fast can you transfer files between your windows and this server?
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How many SATA ports does the microserver have? 4 inlcuding dvd-drive? Thinking of putting 1 2.5" for OS only. IF 4 ports, then left another 3 drives for storage.
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3 x 1.5TB Samsung Greens RAID5, can't do a 4 x 1.5TB write test anymore as I have data on it, redid a read test on 4 avg is 201.0MB/s

Those write speeds easily saturates my gigabit traffic, but Samba doesn't really play nice with Windows clients so I had to FTP my stuffs over to be able to achieve full gigabit speed.
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Not too bad for a softraid. I'll try and post some. Yeah, don't think can post write test since it's already half filled. icon_question.gif

Anyway, on my other NAS box (NMH300), FTP is more stable for file transfer. If I do normal copy paste on large file tranfers, I get time outs with the NHM300... Not so with my Linkstation DUO which I bought later. Very stable performance. If I had known, I would have bought the Linkstation DUO instead of the NMH300. Nice interface but performance sucks.


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How many SATA ports does the microserver have? 4 inlcuding dvd-drive?  Thinking of putting 1 2.5" for OS only. IF 4 ports, then left another 3 drives for storage.
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It actually has 6... 5 internal SATA ports and 1 eSATA.

Out of the 5, 4 of them from the SAS breakout cable and 1 separate one directly from the mobo to the DVD burner.

I took out my DVD burner and put the 160GB Seagate boot drive there. The other 4 spaces are filled up with the 2TB Samsung F4EG drives.

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just curious since qnap/synology also work on linux/unix..

would it be possible to load up their OS/application onto the hpmedia server or any server for that matter ?
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though its 5 internal sata ports, 1 is actually connected as PATA, whereas the other 4 is AHCI capable

abubin, unfortunately no, samba does not play well with my Win7 machine, only get ~30mb/s transfer only, probably i need to play around with the samba config.

JinXXX u could probably load FreeNAS on unRAID if you want purely NAS function on it (FreeNAS has nice ZFS support drool.gif )
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well...30mb/s is not bad. I mean how fast is FTP?

Do you really transfer so much files between your system that you cannot wait few extra seconds?

I just tested transferring from my server to windows 7 : 700MB took 27s at 25mb/s


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FTP is about ~60-70mb/s, I had to transfer 1.5TB over so it was a very significant time difference
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Very informative thread! After reading the last few pages you guys had me made up my mind on the Microserver. Currently thinking of using it on unraid or freenas, would like a simple fileserver setup as if install standalone linux very troublesome to troubleshoot if got any problems.

Currently I'm running DIY server with WHS but lately it's giving performance problems sad.gif software issue the usual case with windows os, after using for sometime it's time for a re-format. So this time around would like to use unix/linux instead. Plus the hardware is getting a bit old better upgrade the NAS before the whole thing KO.

Any recommendations from the gurus here?

Thanks for the help smile.gif
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QUOTE(mercindustries @ Nov 4 2010, 03:48 PM)

JinXXX u could probably load FreeNAS on unRAID if you want purely NAS function on it (FreeNAS has nice ZFS support  drool.gif )
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somehw i prefer the qnap x59 series casing smile.gif lol..

yeah looking for nas + bt + monitoring application..

1k for the hp media server for 5 slots or 3.4k for qnap 559 pro... sad.gif , somehw i like the gui..

thats why i asked since qnap is also linux/ubuntu based possible to load qnap's operating system over to the hp media server tongue.gif heheheh
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surprisingly, the HP microserver comes with 160gb hdd. Available at All IT.
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surprisingly, the HP microserver comes with 160gb hdd.  Available at All IT.
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just found out syno has released the x11 versions

i believe the models is

211,211j and 111

211 has 1.6GHz + 256MB ram while 211j has 1.2GHz and 128MB and i believe the 111 is similar proc/ram as 211

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I just tested transferring from my server to windows 7 : 700MB took 27s at 25mb/s
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Small file transfers, the normal 2 bay NAS boxes are fine. I get about 30MB/s thereabouts with a Linkstation DUO and I'm pretty satisfied with the performance for the price paid. But if you start to transfer large quantity and large file sizes (not just Megabytes, but Gigabytes and Terabytes), the difference in waiting time will be more obvious.

On my Microserver, transfering an 8Gb file takes about 70 seconds or so.


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QUOTE(zoney @ Nov 7 2010, 12:22 AM)
Very informative thread! After reading the last few pages you guys had me made up my mind on the Microserver. Currently thinking of using it on unraid or freenas, would like a simple fileserver setup as if install standalone linux very troublesome to troubleshoot if got any problems.

Currently I'm running DIY server with WHS but lately it's giving performance problems sad.gif software issue the usual case with windows os, after using for sometime it's time for a re-format. So this time around would like to use unix/linux instead. Plus the hardware is getting a bit old better upgrade the NAS before the whole thing KO.

Any recommendations from the gurus here?

Thanks for the help smile.gif
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I think the Microserver route with FreeNAS or Unraid is in the right direction if you just need a simple NAS box with lots of flexibility. Not forgetting that it's relatively cheap too.


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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 7 2010, 03:18 PM)
somehw i prefer the qnap x59 series casing smile.gif lol..

yeah looking for nas + bt + monitoring application..

1k for the hp media server for 5 slots or 3.4k for qnap 559 pro... sad.gif , somehw i like the gui..

thats why i asked since qnap is also linux/ubuntu based possible to load qnap's operating system over to the hp media server tongue.gif heheheh
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Hey, I like the Synology and Qnap too. biggrin.gif But I dislike the price regarless of how beautiful the GUI is.


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surprisingly, the HP microserver comes with 160gb hdd.  Available at All IT.
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blink.gif Why is it surprising? It's meant to be an OS drive anyways.

Well, I guess HP could throw in a 1TB drive instead like what Acer did with H342. The thing is I compared the street price difference between the HP and the Acer and with the price of the HP, you can comfortably add an additional 2TB with some spare change.


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QUOTE(jinaun @ Nov 8 2010, 08:40 AM)
just found out syno has released the x11 versions

i believe the models is

211,211j and 111

211 has 1.6GHz + 256MB ram while 211j has 1.2GHz and 128MB and i believe the 111 is similar proc/ram as 211
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Any idea what processor is that? I think compared to the processing power and memory of the Microserver, I think it's not even close.

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Any idea what processor is that? I think compared to the processing power and memory of the Microserver, I think it's not even close.
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i think its based on marvell kirkwood processor coz the memory interface is onli 16bit

u can't compare it directly to microserver coz one is ARM and another is x86..

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